And although there are detractors that say Wain was experimenting in textile patterns, the cat at 01:27 does not resemble a pattern. The wide eyes, the spiked fur, even redness under the eyes does seem to cry out from the painting that something was very wrong.
I've had 12 cats so far since I was 3 (I'm 22 now). I sometimes think I exceptionally evolved from felines thought I don't see what the advantage of that might be. I find Wain's last works exceptionally good. Am I schizo too?
Someone already asked, but I'll ask again: Who wrote/performed the music? Where's it from? It'd be cool if you included the music information in the "show more" section below the video.
While it may seem trivial, one should take note of the similarities between his later paintings and various other religious symbols, particularly in regards to patterns and their symmetry.
What kind of scares me is hat I used to draw a lot of anthropomorphic animals, cats especially, and now my art looks more like it does halfway through this video. D:
I'm pretty sure that the deity looking cat with the yellow and pink lines was drawn during his schizophrenia, but the last two paintings were made because he was studying isometric designs and detailing on patterns. His mother said that he'd paint them because they had the same type of designs on their rug's topography. i'm not so sure about the deity looking one though. but no doubt he was a genius. those geometric shapes are amazing <3
@IronicallyVague You could have done it. The moving and talking would be an annoyance, but you would still get the job done, unless there's another issue you didn't mention.
I thought a lot of the paintings weren't able to be dated. The researchers who originally came up with the conclusion that his schizophrenia was getting worse based on how abstract the cats began to look were choosing an interpretation of the order based on what would fit best with their research. i.e. intellectual fraud.
This is not schizophrenia....this is schizoaffective disorder....it has a strong affective component evidenced by the strong colors and the mood swings...
maybe you should know....his mother worked in textiles, and yes it is possible that this was directly linked to his illness, but artists also like to incorporate the unlikely in their work, and those patterns look very visually linked to textiles. I dislike the unsure connection being made between his art and his illness. You can produce work like this without schizophrenia...
Yes, however being influenced by parents comes at an early age - since his 'fractal' period appeared when he was already a grown man, we might presume that it was rather an effect of his own artistic progress, rather than an "inspiration".
Besides, once somebody develops his own style, it doesn't change that dramatically.
But yes, being exposed to various textures at an early age could have surfaced from the unconscios and reoccured at a later period. Freud stuff ;)
This was a incredibley well made video. Every time I watch this, I feel that sinking feeling in my stomach, that mix of turmoil and grief. You capture the pain and anguish that he perhaps once felt, and the music certainly accentuates it. Great music choice. Great captioning. Great pictures and timing. Beautiful. Thank you so much for creating this. :)
"Some speculate that the onset of Wain's schizophrenia was precipitated by toxoplasmosis, a parasitic infection that can be contracted from cats." - Wikipedia. < That's ironic!
When he was riding through London one day a cat ran across the street and as the carriage swerved Louis fell out and hit his head. Most people believe this is what jump-started his schizophrenia.
I just recently discovered the disturbed awesomness that was Louis Wain. Too bad I hadnt when I used to live in London as I wasnt far from where he lived and maybe could have found his house.
There is no evidence to show these images of him having stranger drawings were in this order because the one to collect them did not know what was made in order, and he had said himself he liked trying different styles like wallpaper styles such as the last one you showed.
Thanks for a beautiful video about a brilliant and tender man. Sometimes madness and genius are so close. If a "sane" person had painted in exactly the same manner, the style wouldn't be regarded as symptomatic of psychosis, but as creativity. Give a dog (or cat!) a bad name ......
You have to take into consideration that his works aren't dated and some of those abstract ones were most likely made even before he progressed into insanity, he was known to experiment with different styles and such.
well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i disagree w/ you noir. i don't think this video is bad at all. as a huge Wain for for 14 years, i quite like this video. the only other thing i disagree with is in this video, is that it says that Louis had violent mood swings. this is true to a degree, but based on my extensive studies of Mr. Wain, he was actually a very docile & gentle man
cont....tho they did happen, his outbursts were not that commen. he remained very kind & gentle even during the peak of his illness. he even made paintings for the patients in the hospital (some of which are still on display there) & he had his last gallery show there too! pretty cool.
good job on this video Matt, the music set to it is nice as well.
RIP forever Louis Wain - i wish i could have met you. your art & life story inspire me so much :)
Yet another promotion for the mental health religion, this time reading some ludicrous meaning into the way a man draws cats. The pictures probably did represent some personal dilemma to Wain but "schizophrenia" is just a cobbled up excuse to get rid of him as "insane". Lets just enjoy his cats without trying to promote psychoquackery.
Look, there really is no denying that Louis Wain went mad. Although it is doubtful that what ailed him was schizophrenia (his skill never declined, and he still painted many "conventional" works up to his death), he did exhibit some truly disturbed behaviour in the latter years of his life. But I really don't think his cat obsession was a symptom. Intensified by his illness? Possibly. Caused by it? No.
That said, I adore late-period Louis Wain. The use of colour is fantastic.
You're certainly privy to information I can't find autosuggestionband. All I can find concerning the life of Louis Wain is that his family got rid of him the moment his income dried up. What is "mad" in your estimation anyway let alone "schizophrenia"? As a teenager in the sixties I spent a lot of time in Wain's old bin Springfield being treated for "schizophrenia" and I can assure you it doesn't exist any more than any other "mental illness".
More of your wonderful logic again Blankfrack. Adolf Hitler banned smoking in public in Nazi Germany. Does that make non-smokers Nazis? Actually I don't find Scientology a worse religion than psychiatry. It's certainly no worse than most other religions. Look at the Vatican in contraception or the C of E on gay clergy. "Mental health" is as bad as anything Ron L Hubbard ever came up with.
While I agree a lot of Psychotherapy is bullshit that involves pretty much giving meth to patients, schizophrenia is very real. When hallucinations progress beyond acuteness, there is a true dysfunction in the brain. I understand you've had personal experience with treatment. But just because they incorrectly diagnosed you doesn't disprove the existence of the illness.
Medicine is an applied science; not a theoretical one. If you want to claim to have a neurological disorder then you have to diagnose it as such or you have nothing. If you want to claim alien abduction Salvagiera then first catch yourself an alien. In the meantime please leave poor Louis alone and please don't inflict horrible fantasies like schizophrenia on him.
It isn't a fantasy. For the person it is a fantasy world in the negative sense, but it is scientifically proven to be a brain disease. It is why the people who have positive symptoms like hallucinations actually DO see them. That is shown on MRI's in the way that the persons visual cortex flares continuously when having the hallucinations. I don't believe you have ever had it, other wise you wouldn't give it such little attention. It is a horrible horrible disease, NOT to be taken lightly.
You're missing the point flimflam0069. A piece of junk science hyperbole about MRI scans or anything else doesn't talk a disease into existence or these scans would presently be used to diagnose it. To assert a disease exists from a sociological factor like a state appointed agent asserting something about how a person's mind works is what Hitler did with Jews,,, and you're doing this with Louis.
Well, I do agree with that except about it being junk science. You don't diagnose it with the MRI because the goal is to diagnose it by the symptoms, and because Hallucinations which appear on MRI's can be a symptom of many things is a good reason not to include it, but there IS a correlation which is why it isn't actually junk science. Unfortunately it doesn't show causation. Which is also why the DSM can be very inaccurate.
If you'll notice, I never actually claimed that Wain was schizophrenic, I merely defended the disorder's existence. Also, understand that neurology and psychology are not identical. If it's a matter of semantics though, I suppose you could consider psychology applied neurology, in a way. Science is an observational philosophy. To say psychology doesn't exist would be to say that thoughts don't exist.
psychotherapy doesn't involve drugs of anykind. It is an aspect of client therapy used by both psychologists and psychiatrists. It is simply the use of language to bring out the actual problem. To say psychotherapy is BS is to say that giving advice to someone is BS. They are in the same category, especially in client-centered therapy. Schizophrenia IS a brain DISEASE. Proven medically and scientifically. Not a theory, proven. Not saying you are saying the contrary, just FYI
Yeah, but that's a technicality at best.Pharmaceuticals are used in many patients alongside therapy. It is deemed necessary to give kids with ADHD speed. I won't even be kind enough to say that psychotherapy isn't bullshit though. I'm not even gonna pretend that this is some kind of scientific opinion. I just think the mentality of victimization is disgusting. Instead of pushing people to fix their lives, they convince them that all their problems have some root source in a traumatic past event.
Also, he probably didn't have shizophrenia anyway. He probably had a form of asbergers syndrom, because if he had shizophrenia his ability as an artist would have diminished, as well as the sense of visual agnosia displayed in his attention to detail in the extreme sense.
Christ almighty flimflam0069! Now poor Louis has another posthumous diagnosis forced on him and all he ever wanted to do was to be left alone to draw his cats.
Christ almighty flimflam0069! Now you're forcing another posthumous diagnosis on poor Louis and all he ever wanted to do was to be left alone to draw his cats.
This video makes me wish I could reach through time hug St. Louis Wain! He's one of those very rare and brilliant humans who in spite of suffering horrible pain and soul crushing terror gifted our species with beauty and joy. Like St. Vincent van Gogh.
Actually, in the extremely fractal rendering (which resembles a Rorscharch Blot), if you look carefully, you can see the Cat's hands and feet which then leads the eye to perceive that Saint Louis was drawing this Cat whilst it was on its back in Belly Rubbin' Position.
Absolutely the BEST video on Saint Louis Wain! You have a bright future in both Psychology and Film. I hope you combine both fields and continue to produce more such beautiful and deeply moving works of Art!
@MattManiaMaxX Giovanni Norelli tenia un metodo para identifikar las pinturas kon sus artistas giovanni morelli invented a method to rekognize paintings to their authors,
@ian40 honestly? YOU can start by taking an art history course; an expert i am not, but a proficient amateur I can call myself. Generally, one recognizes a painting in the same way that one recognizes any other art form - by having seen it in it's original, most beautiful form.
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"He belonged to several cat societies and was chairman of the National Cat Club. Although all these things did not reveal his illness as much as his paintings did."
Are you implying that members of cat societies are all mentally ill?
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I wasn't suggesting the error was intentional. But you associated the two sentences with, "Although these things did not reveal his illness as much as..."
@MattManiaMaxX poor wording in the video, obviously. don't apologize for the deficient; support those that try to correct them. those who are concise, accurate and effective in their wording need not fear such as us.
@TehAsploder no, he implied that cat-fags such as yourself are mentally ill. Don't take me wrong, I like cats a lot too, but I'm far from being schizophrenic.
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PriestCloud 3 months ago
What music is this?
sk8rdad73 3 months ago
First rate video. Beautifully done.
soarornor 3 months ago 3
This man is my idol. We even share the same birthday.
MissBarghest 4 months ago
Great presentation!
And although there are detractors that say Wain was experimenting in textile patterns, the cat at 01:27 does not resemble a pattern. The wide eyes, the spiked fur, even redness under the eyes does seem to cry out from the painting that something was very wrong.
aramanth 4 months ago
louis wain & alphonse mucha have both the same year of birth & death 1860-1939
EmpressEurasia 4 months ago
I've had 12 cats so far since I was 3 (I'm 22 now). I sometimes think I exceptionally evolved from felines thought I don't see what the advantage of that might be. I find Wain's last works exceptionally good. Am I schizo too?
urmenior 5 months ago
1:46 - 1:54 => prolly the first version drawings of a Fractal Cat!
People having his condition perceive time in a different manner. Maybe we can learn something from this! :blink :blink
MrRhadoo 5 months ago
Excellent video!
TheGrayChannel 7 months ago
nice imagination <3 CATS
AceMaijin 7 months ago
Great stuff. I love all the art. Thanks for the upload.
Anophis 7 months ago
Very Tasteful presentation on a touchy subject.
paragreg 8 months ago
I didn't know they had DMT available in the early 20th century.
Arm2 8 months ago
@Arm2
lol well dmt is in your brain so....
LegalHeroin 6 months ago
@LegalHeroin DMT does NOT exist in the brain. Unless you smoke it. Lets bust that myth once and for all.
Arm2 6 months ago
@Arm2 Your brain produces DMT ar-tard
qpNinjaCookieqp 5 months ago
It is as if at some point of his life he had discovered opium
Kashyd 8 months ago
@Kashyd more like lsd
Claymore224 4 months ago
Those cats scare me.
frezzingaces 8 months ago
Someone already asked, but I'll ask again: Who wrote/performed the music? Where's it from? It'd be cool if you included the music information in the "show more" section below the video.
mheisser2005 8 months ago
@mheisser2005 James Newton Howard, usual composer for Shyamalan, among others
badkluster 8 months ago
The music is London from Blood Diamond by James Newton Howard
victorbuza 8 months ago
Reminds me of DMT....
mhatter5 8 months ago
While it may seem trivial, one should take note of the similarities between his later paintings and various other religious symbols, particularly in regards to patterns and their symmetry.
Mulekeep 8 months ago
@Mulekeep
Examples?
Rrtor 8 months ago
Could possibly make a great movie lol
h0w13r 8 months ago
Where can I find the composer of this music?
pushrex 8 months ago 28
@pushrex
It is from the album from the movie: Blood diamond. The track is called: London
134343 8 months ago
@pushrex Archer & Solomon Hike, it's from the Blood Diamond OST
markjm90 8 months ago
is anyone else creeped the fuck out by this?
Licetrainer 8 months ago 22
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Ysef 8 months ago
@Ysef Don't visit Reddit or you will get instant herpes.
artenman 8 months ago
What kind of scares me is hat I used to draw a lot of anthropomorphic animals, cats especially, and now my art looks more like it does halfway through this video. D:
mouse264 8 months ago 4
Was it just me, or was that frickin creepy...
sharonisrelative 8 months ago 6
@sharonisrelative Just you.
artenman 8 months ago
I like his art when he had Skitzo it looks cooler.
The360dot 8 months ago
@The360dot I like your mom when she's skitzo.
artenman 8 months ago
The song is called "London" by James Newton Howard. Thanks for helping me find it @LeopoldSampsonite cuz it is on the Blood Diamond soundtrack
no1specialful 9 months ago 5
Lovely...I`ve always enjoyed his work, my faves being the furry stylized cats of his later years...
trajeff 10 months ago
Thank you for the video! What's the music playing in it?
Tatti31 11 months ago
@Tatti31 Never Say Never by Justin BIeber.
artenman 8 months ago
@artenman Thank you! But is this really so? I searched for the track with this name, and it returns something very different, with singing etc...
Tatti31 8 months ago
all his pictures still resemble cats there just extremely complex and distorted cats
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pickleby 1 year ago
Great job on your vid. Hope you got an "A" in your psych class.
KreemieNewgatt 1 year ago
I'm pretty sure that the deity looking cat with the yellow and pink lines was drawn during his schizophrenia, but the last two paintings were made because he was studying isometric designs and detailing on patterns. His mother said that he'd paint them because they had the same type of designs on their rug's topography. i'm not so sure about the deity looking one though. but no doubt he was a genius. those geometric shapes are amazing <3
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IronicallyVague 1 year ago
@IronicallyVague He. What do you do now?
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IronicallyVague 1 year ago
@IronicallyVague You could have done it. The moving and talking would be an annoyance, but you would still get the job done, unless there's another issue you didn't mention.
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IronicallyVague 1 year ago
i think you have to be a bit crazy to be so talented) i proved that to myself after watching A Beautiful Mind, too
ember170 1 year ago
Des fractales au 19ème siècle ! Et des chats, aussi mesquins que les hommes...
PeekSiegen 1 year ago
I thought a lot of the paintings weren't able to be dated. The researchers who originally came up with the conclusion that his schizophrenia was getting worse based on how abstract the cats began to look were choosing an interpretation of the order based on what would fit best with their research. i.e. intellectual fraud.
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IronicallyVague 1 year ago
Через рисунки, как через призму видно изменения восприятия мира во время протекания шизофрении у Льюиса Уэйна.
lifemurmansk 1 year ago
Play him off keyboard cat...
NiNE1911 1 year ago
What's new pussycat? WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAA
illegalusername 1 year ago
What is the name of the beautiful music?
videotimesss1 1 year ago
@videotimesss1 its a famous classical musician Rick Astley with his song Never Gonna Give You Up
NiNE1911 1 year ago
Thank you for this video. Finally a comprehensive and chronological clip about Wain's work :)
Mjaszczur 1 year ago
This is not schizophrenia....this is schizoaffective disorder....it has a strong affective component evidenced by the strong colors and the mood swings...
kakibea8 1 year ago
inspirational music
jayseo 1 year ago
maybe you should know....his mother worked in textiles, and yes it is possible that this was directly linked to his illness, but artists also like to incorporate the unlikely in their work, and those patterns look very visually linked to textiles. I dislike the unsure connection being made between his art and his illness. You can produce work like this without schizophrenia...
blackbird1016 1 year ago
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Yes, however being influenced by parents comes at an early age - since his 'fractal' period appeared when he was already a grown man, we might presume that it was rather an effect of his own artistic progress, rather than an "inspiration".
Besides, once somebody develops his own style, it doesn't change that dramatically.
But yes, being exposed to various textures at an early age could have surfaced from the unconscios and reoccured at a later period. Freud stuff ;)
Mjaszczur 1 year ago
Love the cats in 1:08 and 1:28. Thanks for sharing this :)
dekidex 1 year ago
This was a incredibley well made video. Every time I watch this, I feel that sinking feeling in my stomach, that mix of turmoil and grief. You capture the pain and anguish that he perhaps once felt, and the music certainly accentuates it. Great music choice. Great captioning. Great pictures and timing. Beautiful. Thank you so much for creating this. :)
Cheestah 1 year ago
It's kind of nice he could spend his last days with something he truly loved.
ashaley24 1 year ago
under researched...
MunsonTheToker 1 year ago
supernatural
omatu1 1 year ago
"Some speculate that the onset of Wain's schizophrenia was precipitated by toxoplasmosis, a parasitic infection that can be contracted from cats." - Wikipedia. < That's ironic!
Mythbreakers101 1 year ago 2
When he was riding through London one day a cat ran across the street and as the carriage swerved Louis fell out and hit his head. Most people believe this is what jump-started his schizophrenia.
Mythbreakers101 1 year ago
What is the music for this video...I like it.
fozzyprozac 2 years ago
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RiaTapioca 2 years ago
I can see how his later work can been seen as mishapen or incongruous from his schizophrenia... but theyre all still emaculate pieces in my eyes..
RiaTapioca 2 years ago 6
Im goona be the first guy w/ wains cat tattoos
JERKFACEist 2 years ago
@JERKFACEist props!
EnterTheMold 1 year ago
I just recently discovered the disturbed awesomness that was Louis Wain. Too bad I hadnt when I used to live in London as I wasnt far from where he lived and maybe could have found his house.
bondapovon 2 years ago
There is no evidence to show these images of him having stranger drawings were in this order because the one to collect them did not know what was made in order, and he had said himself he liked trying different styles like wallpaper styles such as the last one you showed.
HAJS5 2 years ago
Thanks for a beautiful video about a brilliant and tender man. Sometimes madness and genius are so close. If a "sane" person had painted in exactly the same manner, the style wouldn't be regarded as symptomatic of psychosis, but as creativity. Give a dog (or cat!) a bad name ......
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SatyrNick 2 years ago
whats the name of the song? it's beautiful
TheErratasinfe 2 years ago
its from the blood diamond soundtrack
LeopoldSampsonite 2 years ago
trippy
nemo3590 2 years ago
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IronicallyVague 2 years ago 2
schizophrenia isnt a fantasy its a true reality to the person who has it, just as true as yours, except not lived through your eyes
buewgewstmeiers 2 years ago 2
we watched this vid in my psych class!! Its so bizarre how much his paintings rly changed... poor guy
icetea010 2 years ago
cats!
kenta0jenta 2 years ago
Whats the name of the song?
bloodyhell80 2 years ago
You have to take into consideration that his works aren't dated and some of those abstract ones were most likely made even before he progressed into insanity, he was known to experiment with different styles and such.
Asiancomedian 2 years ago
are there any similar cases?
Zerion 2 years ago
From domesticated cute animals into fire gods and sentient beings.
TheSchematic 2 years ago 33
what is this song????
zuersthan 2 years ago
It's called London by James Newton Howard. It was in the Blood Diamond soundtrack I believe.
Gunzrgood500 2 years ago
thanks! (:
zuersthan 2 years ago
I love the way his cats became more and more abstract as time went on. They started looking like fractals ,very cool.
Xsublime28xX 2 years ago
Nice video by the way. The drawings are really cool and trip me out. The music also fits perfectly, it's so epic.
Gunzrgood500 2 years ago
What is name of song in this great video???
If you know, please write! =) thx =)
JrLocb 2 years ago
Song's called London by James Newton Howard, it's pretty damn epic.
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wow. this video is ridiculous, and in a bad way.
noirouze 2 years ago
well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but i disagree w/ you noir. i don't think this video is bad at all. as a huge Wain for for 14 years, i quite like this video. the only other thing i disagree with is in this video, is that it says that Louis had violent mood swings. this is true to a degree, but based on my extensive studies of Mr. Wain, he was actually a very docile & gentle man
j7609 2 years ago
cont....tho they did happen, his outbursts were not that commen. he remained very kind & gentle even during the peak of his illness. he even made paintings for the patients in the hospital (some of which are still on display there) & he had his last gallery show there too! pretty cool.
good job on this video Matt, the music set to it is nice as well.
RIP forever Louis Wain - i wish i could have met you. your art & life story inspire me so much :)
j7609 2 years ago
Yet another promotion for the mental health religion, this time reading some ludicrous meaning into the way a man draws cats. The pictures probably did represent some personal dilemma to Wain but "schizophrenia" is just a cobbled up excuse to get rid of him as "insane". Lets just enjoy his cats without trying to promote psychoquackery.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
Look, there really is no denying that Louis Wain went mad. Although it is doubtful that what ailed him was schizophrenia (his skill never declined, and he still painted many "conventional" works up to his death), he did exhibit some truly disturbed behaviour in the latter years of his life. But I really don't think his cat obsession was a symptom. Intensified by his illness? Possibly. Caused by it? No.
That said, I adore late-period Louis Wain. The use of colour is fantastic.
-Julian
autosuggestionband 2 years ago
You're certainly privy to information I can't find autosuggestionband. All I can find concerning the life of Louis Wain is that his family got rid of him the moment his income dried up. What is "mad" in your estimation anyway let alone "schizophrenia"? As a teenager in the sixties I spent a lot of time in Wain's old bin Springfield being treated for "schizophrenia" and I can assure you it doesn't exist any more than any other "mental illness".
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
Of course, being mentally ill yourself precludes you from acknowledging its existence. Let me guess; Scientology nutter?
Blankfrack 2 years ago
More of your wonderful logic again Blankfrack. Adolf Hitler banned smoking in public in Nazi Germany. Does that make non-smokers Nazis? Actually I don't find Scientology a worse religion than psychiatry. It's certainly no worse than most other religions. Look at the Vatican in contraception or the C of E on gay clergy. "Mental health" is as bad as anything Ron L Hubbard ever came up with.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
While I agree a lot of Psychotherapy is bullshit that involves pretty much giving meth to patients, schizophrenia is very real. When hallucinations progress beyond acuteness, there is a true dysfunction in the brain. I understand you've had personal experience with treatment. But just because they incorrectly diagnosed you doesn't disprove the existence of the illness.
Salvagiera 2 years ago
Medicine is an applied science; not a theoretical one. If you want to claim to have a neurological disorder then you have to diagnose it as such or you have nothing. If you want to claim alien abduction Salvagiera then first catch yourself an alien. In the meantime please leave poor Louis alone and please don't inflict horrible fantasies like schizophrenia on him.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
It isn't a fantasy. For the person it is a fantasy world in the negative sense, but it is scientifically proven to be a brain disease. It is why the people who have positive symptoms like hallucinations actually DO see them. That is shown on MRI's in the way that the persons visual cortex flares continuously when having the hallucinations. I don't believe you have ever had it, other wise you wouldn't give it such little attention. It is a horrible horrible disease, NOT to be taken lightly.
flimflam0069 2 years ago
You're missing the point flimflam0069. A piece of junk science hyperbole about MRI scans or anything else doesn't talk a disease into existence or these scans would presently be used to diagnose it. To assert a disease exists from a sociological factor like a state appointed agent asserting something about how a person's mind works is what Hitler did with Jews,,, and you're doing this with Louis.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
Well, I do agree with that except about it being junk science. You don't diagnose it with the MRI because the goal is to diagnose it by the symptoms, and because Hallucinations which appear on MRI's can be a symptom of many things is a good reason not to include it, but there IS a correlation which is why it isn't actually junk science. Unfortunately it doesn't show causation. Which is also why the DSM can be very inaccurate.
flimflam0069 2 years ago
If you'll notice, I never actually claimed that Wain was schizophrenic, I merely defended the disorder's existence. Also, understand that neurology and psychology are not identical. If it's a matter of semantics though, I suppose you could consider psychology applied neurology, in a way. Science is an observational philosophy. To say psychology doesn't exist would be to say that thoughts don't exist.
Salvagiera 2 years ago
psychotherapy doesn't involve drugs of anykind. It is an aspect of client therapy used by both psychologists and psychiatrists. It is simply the use of language to bring out the actual problem. To say psychotherapy is BS is to say that giving advice to someone is BS. They are in the same category, especially in client-centered therapy. Schizophrenia IS a brain DISEASE. Proven medically and scientifically. Not a theory, proven. Not saying you are saying the contrary, just FYI
flimflam0069 2 years ago
Yeah, but that's a technicality at best.Pharmaceuticals are used in many patients alongside therapy. It is deemed necessary to give kids with ADHD speed. I won't even be kind enough to say that psychotherapy isn't bullshit though. I'm not even gonna pretend that this is some kind of scientific opinion. I just think the mentality of victimization is disgusting. Instead of pushing people to fix their lives, they convince them that all their problems have some root source in a traumatic past event.
Salvagiera 2 years ago
Also, he probably didn't have shizophrenia anyway. He probably had a form of asbergers syndrom, because if he had shizophrenia his ability as an artist would have diminished, as well as the sense of visual agnosia displayed in his attention to detail in the extreme sense.
flimflam0069 2 years ago
Christ almighty flimflam0069! Now poor Louis has another posthumous diagnosis forced on him and all he ever wanted to do was to be left alone to draw his cats.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
Seriously, go ask Louis, about how he feels about another diagnosis, I REALLY don't think he cares right now.
Is there any reason that you are condemning conjecture of a peculiar case after the patient is gone, for the sake that they would mind?
flimflam0069 2 years ago
Christ almighty flimflam0069! Now you're forcing another posthumous diagnosis on poor Louis and all he ever wanted to do was to be left alone to draw his cats.
RickMoonbeam 2 years ago
This video makes me wish I could reach through time hug St. Louis Wain! He's one of those very rare and brilliant humans who in spite of suffering horrible pain and soul crushing terror gifted our species with beauty and joy. Like St. Vincent van Gogh.
Hellkattus 2 years ago 9
@Hellkattus LOL Dude you're gay... go hug a black dick
NiNE1911 1 year ago
Actually, in the extremely fractal rendering (which resembles a Rorscharch Blot), if you look carefully, you can see the Cat's hands and feet which then leads the eye to perceive that Saint Louis was drawing this Cat whilst it was on its back in Belly Rubbin' Position.
Hellkattus 2 years ago
"eventually his paintings did not even resemble cats as he slipped more into his schizophrenia"
That's wrong, they did.
akafur 2 years ago 2
Absolutely the BEST video on Saint Louis Wain! You have a bright future in both Psychology and Film. I hope you combine both fields and continue to produce more such beautiful and deeply moving works of Art!
Hellkattus 3 years ago
Damn You! This Presentation made me weep inconsolably! Where did you find such sad and poignant music?
Hellkattus 3 years ago
Does anyone know what the song is called?
subconsciousdomain 3 years ago
I really like this video, love the painter (cat w/cigar is awesome), thanks for posting. 5 starz
shalindriaharam 3 years ago
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knussp01 3 years ago
serious question. how can i (or an expert) tell an original painting by this artist?
ian40 3 years ago
I'm not really qualified to answer that question, because I honestly wouldn't know. I'd suggest asking an expert.
MattManiaMaxX 3 years ago
@MattManiaMaxX Giovanni Norelli tenia un metodo para identifikar las pinturas kon sus artistas giovanni morelli invented a method to rekognize paintings to their authors,
macmiersen 1 year ago
@ian40 honestly? YOU can start by taking an art history course; an expert i am not, but a proficient amateur I can call myself. Generally, one recognizes a painting in the same way that one recognizes any other art form - by having seen it in it's original, most beautiful form.
smoekdacheeb 1 year ago
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"He belonged to several cat societies and was chairman of the National Cat Club. Although all these things did not reveal his illness as much as his paintings did."
Are you implying that members of cat societies are all mentally ill?
TehAsploder 3 years ago
No. His schizophrenia revolved around his obsession with cats. How you came to that conclusion about that statement is beyond me.
MattManiaMaxX 3 years ago 2
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I wasn't suggesting the error was intentional. But you associated the two sentences with, "Although these things did not reveal his illness as much as..."
Go learn you some English, boy.
TehAsploder 3 years ago
It's was phrased fine..
He had an obsession with cats. Belonging to multiple cat societies and being the chairman of a cat club were examples. Learn some logic..boy.
MattManiaMaxX 3 years ago 3
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"It's was phrased fine.."
Good Odin.
TheAbortioner 1 year ago
@MattManiaMaxX poor wording in the video, obviously. don't apologize for the deficient; support those that try to correct them. those who are concise, accurate and effective in their wording need not fear such as us.
smoekdacheeb 1 year ago
@TehAsploder no, he implied that cat-fags such as yourself are mentally ill. Don't take me wrong, I like cats a lot too, but I'm far from being schizophrenic.
(are you a douche?)
Jocks0113 1 year ago
The one at 1:27 scares me the most. It's almost normal, but looking carefully you can start to see his descent.
Canas29 3 years ago 3
love this art
AyaLous 3 years ago
Nice! We had read and saw some of his paintings in our Psychology book. The music also nicely complements the progression.
benrr101 3 years ago
I love Louis Wain!!
erikaStereo 3 years ago 13
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@erikaStereo I'm sure he liked little girls (:
NiNE1911 1 year ago
kooooooool
NIN1337 3 years ago
Great stuff ; collected his cards but didnt know anything about him
gardePhil 3 years ago
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yea dude i think we both kinda made it straight forward, i think we both did pretty damn good :P
achildofbodom1 3 years ago
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mine better bitch lol
achildofbodom1 3 years ago