Without US commitment Copenhagen breaks down Pt.2

[mindiga]

Nice. We have to argue with people who have no clue, but continue to destroy the planet. They like to ignore fact that future does not vote, so they steal the future for their punny joy at present. However, their kids will pay for their parent stupidity. Evolution does its job on their genes, even if they deny it. I do not have to argue, I just enjoy watching them going extinct.

Ave Universe!

[bbburton]

Hey Paul Jay, why don't you go back to Canada, if they'll have you.

[1timedrifter]

The Government has a plan. It's called DEPOPULATION!

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

"It seems to me that this belief that people have in Anthropogenic Global Warming is just that, BELIEF!".

The key line here is "it seems to me" which is another way of stating a baseless "belief".

The truth on the other hand is that the overwhelming scientific consensus, based on the strictest, most thorough scientific research available to mankind inform us of the dangers of global warming.

Just as cigarette smoking has been proven to cause cancer despite denials from industry PR.

[iwantgmail]

"overwhelming scientific consensus", well I disagree with this statement. But even if it is true, does that mean that the Man Made Global Warming theory is correct? Can't the descenting scientists be right?

There is a code of honor in science, it means that scientists trust each other to tell the truth. This trust has been lost for the some alarmists scientists, not by the recent Climate Gate scandal but long ago when the Mann Hockey Stick curve was exposed as a fraud.

to be continued ...

[iwantgmail]

.... continued from previous

The trust was also lost when the IPCC, in its 2001 report, decided to adopt the Mann Hockey Stick curve as its standard reference model for the global temperature for the past 1000 years.

The hockey stick curve does not show the medieval warm period or the little ice age, both were well accepted historic climatic events in 2001.

Established science is never discarded with out scrutiny but that is what the IPCC did in 2001.

to be continued ....

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

None of the so-called"dissenting"(correct spelling)scientists have published any credible material in peer-reviewed scientific journals to anything vaguely ressembling the exceptionally stringent degree of peer scrutiny and thoroughness which is applied to the science on climate change,which is widely recognised -by scientists,not by charlatans and industry propagandists.Citing examples of bad practice that may reflect on the individuals concerned cannot alter the basic state of affairs.

[NicosNicosNicosNicos]

Furthermore,I was addressing readers of this page in general and made a point of not entering into a tit-for tat exchange with you! Anyone who wants to know, including you, can read about it for themselves and verify where the scientific consensus lies.

[0PsycoDad0]

LOL!

It does and "the hockey stick" is a gross simplifiction by researchers to make the general trend more visible. But religious idiots like you twist everything in their favor.

[0PsycoDad0]

"Climate Gate scandal"

ROFL!

It´s funny how retards continue to cite completly obsolete "sources".

Just like religious idiots continue their rants about missing transitional fossils.

[0PsycoDad0]

Dude, kudos for your efforts but as a matter of fact it´s useless to debate such idiots. These AJ loonys lie, cherry pick and twist around reality just as creationist morons do.

BTW have you heard about the gigant tar sand project in Alberta, Canada?

[free4all1776]

I don't think the real news is real, you don't talk about the global elite, the 911 scam, and you are not bringing the truth to the american people you are putting on a front, wtf???? why don't we try going back to the constitution, this is all just a stageplay and you are just as bad, if not worse than the corporate media

[iwantgmail]

For those who believe the pseudo science of Man Made Climate Change, here is a quote from Adolph Hitler:

"In the simplicity of their minds, people more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have such impudence. " .... Continued ...

[iwantgmail]

.... Continued from previous ....

Here is the rest of the quote:

"Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and continue to think that there may be some other explanation.

— Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf

[iwantgmail]

My advice to those who believe in man made climate change and the catastrophic global warming hypothesis, simply because it is popular opinion and because this idea is just too pervasive to be a lie, is to think again. Nothing is too big to be a lie.

If there is evidence out there that proves that CO2 is a major climate driver then please share it with me and others. I have tried to search for such evidence and I have turned up empty.

Continued ....

[iwantgmail]

..... Continued from previous

I have however found clear evidence of fraud among the climate alarmist scientists even before this latest Climate Gate scandal. The fraud that I am talking about is discrediting of the Man Hockey stick curve in 2003. So I suggest to people to do some checking and not to believe this Anthropogenic Global Warming theory simply because it is popular opinion.

[0PsycoDad0]

WTF? Now we know were your political home is. Will you plz STFU and return to your AJ loony channels?

[iwantgmail]

Well, I don't think I mentioned politics in my post!

Anyway my point was that we should try to subscribe to the truth, no matter what that may be.

It seems to me that this belief that people have in Anthropogenic Global Warming is just that, BELIEF! It has become a religion. Indeed I can see the same religious fervor in your post as that of a man whose faith has been insulted!

If u think that u have found the truth in Global Warming then good luck to you.

No need for a pissing contest!

[0PsycoDad0]

Well , as you´re too retarded to understand NOAA´s datasets or too paranoid to attribute them credibility, it ´s you who has faith.

You are a liar; quite common as religious freaks trying to look "reasonable".

[pongman]

Nothing will get done as long as the President and Congress get their paychecks from industry and special interests.

[0PsycoDad0]

The US will continue it´s way down the drain and rely on stealing from it´s vassals.

To compensate for your backwardness US corporations stole the Vesta windturbine. Is this silly global warming denial scheme just another pretence for robbing other nations?

[arcanekrusader]

'The parable of the broken window' run riot.

[arcanekrusader]

Global Warming™ is a fraud.

[restlys]

@justonemorename

find me one economist that gave your conclusion.

[blackiron60]

Capitalism isn't going to solve this thing. To have long term solutions people need to be empowered and we need to share resources more equitably. Socialism is the only thing that can do this.

[fred10538]

"Socialism" can't do it either! With so much power (=money) and vested interests here, "Global warming" has been turned into economic manipulation at a time when the world is in recession. Nobody is buying (literally) into the scam now. Sorry Al!

[restlys]

@fred10538 who says its a scam?

[fred10538]

Google it!

[James112212]

Nuclear power isn't green?

[eldogg4life]

wouldn't it create more nuclear waste?

[restlys]

@James112212

nope cuz you still have radioactive waste.

[James112212]

Yes, but its not like the simpsons. The waste is well contained. Its not effecting our atmosphere and Mr. Burns is not storing the waste in the local park.

[cheeseaura]

Global warming is a fraud.

[restlys]

@cheeseaura

then its time you look at global warming evidence.

[cheeseaura]

It's time you look at the emails.

[0PsycoDad0]

LOL!

So what?

[cheeseaura]

So global warming is a fraud.

[kayak17]

If global warming was real and the planet was ending money would not be apart of the argument. It would be this is it and live with it. The science and entire 'movement' is redic.

[micahgee]

@kayak17

It is real, live with it.

There is a vested interested in denying that human activity can harm the planet, because polluting is profitable under the current system.

Global warming is real and the planet is not ending anytime soon but it does matter to everyone on earth.

Frankly, the complete denial of the facts IS redic!

[kayak17]

What scientific evidence points to global warming, much less that it is due to human contribution? Humans exhale carbon dioxide at a rate of about 450ml per minute; so perhaps we should all reduce our breathing and/or the population to save our planet? Do your research, look who is behind all these 'green' foundations. The only green they care about is the green going in their pockets.

[Dalambam]

"What scientific evidence points to global warming, much less that it is due to human contribution?" - The existence of global warming isn't debated, (it's just statistics). It's whether human activity is the main cause of it that's debated. On that there are roughly two opposing views: the view of ~990 out of every 1000 people with expertise relevant to climate science, that is that human actvity is the main cause of global warming;

[Dalambam]

... and the opposing view of the oil lobby and so on, plus *several* climate scientists, lol, which is that humans don't contribute to global warming.

[kayak17]

People tend to only argue that the 'anti-global warming' people are ill-informed and oil companies standing to make money. Though this is true in some cases its not for all. People lack knowing who owns and controls what. We could stop using gas this second and transfer to another form of energy and the same people will still be profiting. Please study and do research in all aspect before attempting to dismiss something. The scientific evidence concludes that the planet is cooling not warming.

[kayak17]

There is undoubtedly changes within our solar system not just our planet occurring. This entire global warming movement, copenhagen, and everything though is a farce. Its to regulate, gain total control, and make a nice profit.

[micahgee]

@kayak17

Here we go with the "we exhale CO2 so it must be ok", dumbest arguement ever.

First off, you can't measure gas in volume alone. Gas expands, so 450ml could be full of 1 gram or 1 kilogram of a given gas. Grams per liter is one way to measure. I wonder where you got this figure "450ml / minute".

How about you do your research!

[ubuibiok]

yes..near 4*c by Solar Cycle 27 is possible...3+ is a given ...

cycle 24, now will be the lowest in over 210+ years though.