Krishnamurti is pointing out one of the most fundamental human qualities. Abstraction of the feeling the the pain (in animals) is taken to extremes with humans. For example, we can feel empathy (the pain of others) for a cartoon warthog and meerkat. I mean people cry for these characters that are just pen and ink. Do you see what Krishnamurti is talking about when he says abstraction?
How do i achieve such great serenity and wiseness as he says ,im only 18 and as far as i remember i always had the desire to save ecological life on this planet,being a naturalist but ..i hv doubts and family objection .what do i do?
The absolute truth is the interdependence of life, the entanglement of all and everything in the language of quantum physics. Capitalism is the historic process of PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP OF ALIENATION,EXPLOITATION AND SUFFERING OF HUMANITY in a modality of commodity production with the sole motive of profit . A WORLD MARKET MECHANISM of ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY,, DISTORTION AND DESTRUCTION. The emergent realisation of limits and obsolete nature of Capitalism is on.
Our progressive evolution is dependent upon the transformation of our current society with the opportunity of rebuilding a new world based on sustainable foundation that is in harmony with the planet.. Only with complete transparancy wiil we be able to chart a more viable future for humanity. Quantum physics emphasizes a fundamental truth the" observer creates the world". Once we share the planet as ONE HUMAN COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION can the entire population make history consciously
Our perceptions of our natural /social world has been shaped by the monetary interest of the GANGS OF CAPITALISM , MONETARY Profit of a few is the driving force of our times. With their National Flags,Corporate Logos, Religious Dogmas,they divide to rule and dominate to PROFIT, This odious IDEOLOGY of the rulers has become the all embracing truth and common sense in the WORLD MARKET PLACE of artificial scarcity and wage slavery OF WORKING MEN/WOMEN.
Majority of our brothers and sisters have been dehumanised for the Market System of artificial scarcity, the monetary serfdom and employment system of devaluation and alienation. The rulers have used all means to weaken our resolve for a life of cooperation and harmony. However the emergent, changing socio-economic condition is demystifying all the ideological hold and manipulation. We shall evolve and transcend the false limits of current minority political imposition
Science and technology is the fruit of human evolution and our common heritage, We need to transcend the MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and USELESS EMPLOYMENT SYSEM to really take care of our needs and well being. Monetary serfdom of humanity for the private gain of the criminal ruling elite is the negation of our common humanity in harmony within and without.
The fundamental principle that we need to grapple with is this , Humanity cannot be treated as batteries of energy so a few can enrich and empower themselves the consequence is a world of war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destruction and many other terrible ongoing challenges, or We share the earth for all generations to come in harmony and cooperation for our material and emotional needs, We need to understand our common source and our common destiny , our common humanity as one
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL scarcity and distortions, to perpetuate wage-slavery/exploitation in the interest of the OWNING/RULING CLASS. A socio-economic modality of production for profit as the sole consideration with devastating consequences of perpetual war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and sufffering, a social reality of fear,insecurity,devaluation and dehumanisation.
World capitalism is the monetary serfdom of immnese humanity in a MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate poverty and the bondage of the working men and women for the abstract,insane process of capital accumulation and concentration. Capitalism is a cancer upon humnaity and we need to LIVE ON EARTH IN CCOPERATION for our common needs and well being. A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our creative energies in harmony within and without.
The political circus in USA and across the world is run by clowns. The mass media is in the front seat for distortions,deceptions and outright lies to perpetuate the criminal rule of elite superclass. Capitalism in any modality CORPORATE as in USA or STATIST in CHINA is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless,dehumanising,devaluing employment system of MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY perpetuating the conditions of poverty and alienation of immense humanity.
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS imposition .
Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
which themselves are the function of the same kind of human brain operating under the same disordered state induced by the mind being conditioned by fear itself. Krishnamurti says 'the mind is not of time", but the brain operates in time. What do you think that means?
@tHeSQuARer00toF2 Hi, I am Michelle Little Owl,an enlightened spiritual teacher/healer & I'd like 2 share an observation of my own experience between the action of thought in the brain & the existence of higher informative ideas that r "given" 2 the mind of the each of us when we let go of the individual (ego) identity. Some people who meditate learn 2 tap into the Universal Mind which has nothing 2 do with an individual perspective & it is in these moments that 1 is their true timeless self.
@sonnetxi Hey there : ) There exists a higher place,not physical where All IS 1--- As I meditate I 1st become aware of my "private thoughts) or lower bodily level thoughts,then as I focus on the Inner Light IT draws my minds attention 2 IT'S SELF. While IT gets brighter IT is simultaneously removing or shining away fear based thoughts & my thinking changes. My mind is no longer separate from the Universal Knowing which in truth is what we r.
@sparcenigma07 sure, when we meditate, we relax our mind and body and feelings of wellbeing and peace sometimes overtake our minds, that doesnt mean that all our minds are connected in some universal way, you know, objectively speaking.
However Krishnamurti would find any attempts at violence to usher in a new economic order entailing a simple re-distribution of power and wealth not as a "real" revolution, but simply another counter-revolution which must inevitably result in the continuation of exploitation and domination, simply according to a different set of cultural values and propaganda.
The desire to see the end of the western empire which is based on the exploitation of poorer sections of the planet is indeed fair, it does not make much literal sense to conceive for 1/5 of the Earth's population living with such extensive material worth while they do not toil in the earth themselves to create it. It is correct to see "money" as a mechanism for economic control and manipulation, certainly.
it's is doubtful that a world with radical economic equality would be a world free of conflict, because force has to be employed to maintain that illusory ideal. Disparities in wealth which result in one sector of a population living in extreme wealth while other sectors starve are not the functions of a legitimate society; and certainly is simply a lie to claim that such a society represents socialism.
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing.
Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative divinity in freedom of being
Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
The true spiritual journey is emancipation of humanity from capitalism, a system of political economy based on wage slavery of immense humanity in a market mechanism where war,poverty,expolitation,enviornmental destruction,animal cruelty and so on are the business as usual. Capitalism is the mass mind control of many for the private gain of a few, a reality of fear,insecurity,devaluation and distortions of our true potentials for a world of harmony in cooperation to take care of our wellbeing
A world of cooperation for our common needs and well being is possibility moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity, where human creative genius is not limited to minority private gain. We can achieve together a social reality of harmony within and without and evolve a true civilisation We can transcend the ruling class ideological hold and emotional manipulation, The rulers have colonised our mind for commercial use in a Market system of alienation dominated by state/corporations
So basically you when you have the fear you need to accept (or examine it) instead of running away o religion, self help books, conspiracy theories, blaming others...and on and on. It is hard to do in such a fast paced world...almost like some kind of juggling act while walking a tightrope....
Fear is the energetic vibration of immense humanity shackled in wage slavery for the private gain of a few. This politically manipulated market mechanism, this web of monetary control is the evolution of the private property relationship a template of the reptillian, brain,cold,hostile,competative,egotistical. For humanity to evolve and transend this false limits and horrors of dehumanisation and distortions we need to Share the Earth in cooperation for our common needs and well being
you have it backwards my friend - the outside conditions of our lives cannot be actually changed without a change internally, our understanding of reality and actuality. otherwise you are still only manipulating ideas, not truth.
If you're that obsessed with worldly issues that you must constantly bash a market system you're missing the point of this video and most likely much of Krishnamurti's ideals.
@wepmajoe Go and put your head in your butt and think of not so worldly matters, Human suffering is not existential but social and so long as we live in a Market System where immense humanity are treated like batteries of energy so a few criminal elite can enrich themselves , War,enviornmental destruction,animal suffering and human exploitation and devaluation will carry on as a matter of routine. go on and chant you stupid
@arzoyan Sir, don't tarnish a Krishnamurti video with banal communistic babble. His talk is well above economic orientations. Even in a socialist utopia, there would be fear if the mind is not free from thoughts.
@xtrmsprts Krishnamurti stands for a world of harmony within and without, to attain that we need to share the Eart in cooperation for our common needs and well being, its good that you dont have the power of censorship, and you are very unwise in your shallow comment.
@arzoyan Krishnamurti had no political plan in mind,he would disavow your comments with characteristic JK disdain. Any visions of your type of utopia usually end up in buchenwald or soviet brand of censorship."The path to hell is paved with good intentions" Let us,like JK urges, let go off all thought completely instead of adhering to antiquated communist dogmas. Anyway, I hope we can agree to disagree,I'm sorry if before I got personal.
@xtrmsprts The dominance of minority criminal interest moralised and legalised as FREE MARKET is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless employment system, for this dehumanisation to be a permanent feature, the ruling elite have used all means available to stupify majority, we have to do our all to fight back and organise for a democratic majority movement for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without, we shall prevail
@arzoyan I have to say that was well-articulated.Michael Moore would have teared up.I'm not insincere,my friend.I agree that consumerism has its drawbacks but previous applications of your vision,as demonstrated by Soviet Union,forecast that some people will invariably abuse power,creating worse hell.In the Anderson/K series, K repudiates capitalism and communism,both...these are all ideas.Ideas are thought-bound,hence limited.One must free one's minds from such repetitive thoughts.
@xtrmsprts So called Soviet Union was a State Capitalist tyrannial regime and had nothing to do with true socialist ideas of a world of cooperation in a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity , Krishnamurti can only ask for indidvidual change in a moral sense of the word as Christianity has, which is thought bound ,limiting and false.
@arzoyan treu to an extent, but there is nothing wrong with an economy- The economy and going to work is exactly the same mechanism at work as how men hunted for food thousands of years ago- if you did not hunt- you starved. Now, if you do not work, you starve. Its always been a matter of survival and perhaps always will. The chief elders in tribes didn't have to hunt- they would get food irrespective. Its always been this way.
@dimitraeus202 We dont live in natural economy of taking care of our needs and well being , WE ARE IMPOSED A POLITICALLY MANIPULATED,TYRANNICAL ECONOMY OF THE MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY THAT EXPLOITES ALL AND EVERYTHING FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION AND CONCENTRATION FOR THE CRIMINAL SUPERCLASS. Your statement is absurd and naive at best, you must have been chanting in koo koo land.
Hi. I've been through your immature phase of being in denial of the world, and also through your immature phase of believing your words mean more if you WRITE THEM IN CAPITALS. It is part of the growing up process. An economy is a natural thing, and yes the world is not right. Therefore we do our best to improve it. Stop being counter-culture. It is dumb.
@arzoyan the prolitarians of today arnt shackled''. say if you dont like your job, then quit it for self employment. we arnt in the 19th century you know, different social contexts calls for different systems of society.
@sonnetxi True we are stuck in the 18th century of exploitation,dehumanisation and have the potential of the 21 century for a world of material and emotional harmony within and without.
@arzoyan you sir, are an educated retard. you completely misunderstand the point of the video. from the negative stuff he's talking about come people like you with very bad ideas. it's not the point at all to construct and idea of perfect world. by not doing this and not following ideas like your's, can we be free and pure.
@datmogul Education system mirrors the socio-economic imposition of minority rule. Retard are your owners who have contempt for humanity in cooperation,peace and harmony within and without.
@arzoyan so in your communist world there would be no education system ? I don't have an owner. Your owner though, seems to be the IDEA of a communist world. I know the Venus Project, it's a good idea, just like like the basis of soviet union was. What turned out, though.. ?
@datmogul Ex Soviet Union just like current Chinese regime was a STATE CAPITALIST DICTATORIAL regime. a labour camp, parallel with Western Powers in its Imperialiast death and destruction, the other side of the tyrannical totality of monetary SERFDOM AND SERVITUDE. Parroting your owners to devalue the urgency and need to SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING is the ideological hold and denial of our common humanity in harmony within and without.
@arzoyan Fear definitely arises in the reptilian brain and persists w/ the symbolic-logical brain, however ego-politics and territorial-emotional reactions for control of space, possessions, status is common to the mammalian brain. Humanity at large is still evolving/actualizing the social-sexual brain and a small but significant percent has opened up the 5th Spacious Awareness brain and a few superstar players abide in this awareness and even beyond to I AM Presence, Clear Light of pure intell
I think that there is a difference between fear of a snake and the fear that plagues man kind. As a child its healthy to have the fear of snake u know to run away. Yet as an adult if that same fear or sense of danger seeps into ur life it becomes an negative fear. For example being an American it seems there is this wide spread fear that the dollar is going to crumble and this is an unhealthy fear. Yet it seems most Americans dont have the time or the insight to listen to J Krishna's teachings.
man: do you know why children are more intelligent than adults? Child: I dont know. Man: Because children know that you do things to have to have fun not to make money or loose weight^^
Dear Juanster23 Krishnamurti actually answers your question. He emphasizes the fact that the true, all consuming fear is the idea of fear, the abstract fear. Snakes, spiders etc. fear is by no meanings abstract and thus not consuming!
But, fear also serves a purpose. To be afraid of a snake, spider can be a good thing. When it turns into a phobia that is something else. But, to have some fear certaintly can't be a bad thing. Or am I missing something?
No. Fear of a snake is common sense. He's focusing on the mind-made prisons of fear that we all create, such as the fear of death, the fear of not being accepted, and so on. Fear creates confusion, which in turn leads to choices based on illusions and misconceptions. He also talks of facing your fears calmly and not saying they are good or bad, but just trying to understand them. Only you can work your way through them. There is no one you can pay to "help" you with them.
@koreankayagum Your words serve as a passage, to which one might inquire into innate fear [ fact] and the dislodgement [ abstraction] from it through the need for security. I maintain, that only the mind that is quiet and still, can become both the observer and the observed. We both maintain, that once we name it, or judge it, we are simply describing fear, and therefore we are merely the self, watching. Please think on this. Is it true that one can " work their way through fear?" Control it?
The fear of loneliness..the fear of disappointment...the fear of being humiliated...the fear of having nothing on your mind at all and being with yourself and watching all that you do and think. Fear in this case is only one example of the split between the observer and the observed...other examples are, well, taking action on yourself to, stop smoking...using time as a means...the struggle to stop supports the observer and observed separation. Any acting upon a problem in yourself is messed up.
yes, you are quite right. there is too much try to make complex and spiritual. your insight is consistent with actual study done on fear. also, i dont understand why so much anti science on youtube. its not good. they only show themselves as stupid.
Sir, that is the abstraction of fear. For example, if there were no humans in the world, nobody to think, those meanings you just gave mean nothing. They are conceptual and therefore not real facts or laws such as the Laws of Logic. E.g. 1+1 = 2, a=a, a does not equal anything that isn't a, etc. You misunderstood J.K.
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i see a bunch of nonsense remarks. y'all are missing the point in this moment, by getting suduced by thoughts and all sorts of mental activity. be still, in body and mind, and see what fear is. you might just laugh at what you realize
I have no desire to keep repeating myself or to change you. U clearly have very rigid views and your whole raison d'etre is to defend science, so ahead. U deceive yourself if u think for one moment that you have understood K, but I guess it's not wish to do so. Anyway... GOODBYE qigong1001.
MYTH1 Problem of fear. WRONG. FEAR is an emotion. Attempts to eliminate it are futile. Science has well established ways to et it to work for you! Look for yourself before you judge.
MYTH 2.problem of division. WRONG. As I said b4, name one scientist who is against holism? YOU CANT.
MYTH 3. It wants conformity. WRONG Science is about continuously challenging ones beliefs. Its how you EVALUATE ones beliefs. LOOK IT UP YOURSELF.
MYTH 4. Views in fragments. Ever hear of the theory of relativity? This is a wholistic as it gets.
MYTH 5. No sense of compassion. CORRECT!! This is why it works. Emotion obscures critical thought. Hence, double blind studies. It doesn't care for you, nor does it hate you. Just like your computer doesn't hate you.
I have no desire to keep repeating myself or to change you. U clearly have very rigid views and your whole raison d'etre is to defend science, so go ahead. U deceive yourself if u think for one moment that you have understood K, but I guess it's not your wish to do so. Anyway... GOODBYE qigong1001
and has little to do with fear of physical survival. now, it is obvious you can't just simplify it to the ground, that fear is just being a thought, it is much more vast, fear is implied in the whole field of one's life. with understanding of every action you make in your life it is obvious too, that it cannot be separate as a problem unrelated to your daily activities. do we meet there? but now the question is- can this endless processes be seen?
Nice to meet you kat. You've made quite a few points, so let me summarize my beliefs. It's been a while, but here it goes. Viewing fear as a problem IS the problem. You have to virtually embrace it. You may extinguish one, but another will replace it. Our job is too manage it via discussion, taking small steps or visualization. These are proven techniques...
Now you have associated love with possession in your comment. Why? You already stated the dangers it leads to. True love is about letting go. No fear. If one cannot separate the two (love and possesion), then that is clearly not love. We are all guilty of this at some time. But many eventually learn and accept that we were guilty of 'false love'. So, fear is endless like you say, but is not a problem, it just "is." Acceptance is the first step.
doing that? or is it just another way to want to make it go away. is that why it is endless? because you approach it exactly what you see as wrong- fear as a prey, as a problem? if i put it that way; would you agree; we see fear can be born out of our own actions, so, instead of separating it from our actions and trying to get rid of it, could we give attention to the actions that bring about fear? (we're not simplifying it there, just opening a larger chapter). if i give an example (like the
love thing, again you're right, it is not necessarily so, it's just an example), those marines you've mentioned- if they wouldn't force themselves, or wouldn't be obliged or however you want to put it, doesn't matter, to do something against what their whole bodies revolte- would they have a problem of fear in the first place? (and again, let's not go too large on it, let's leave war out of it for the moment, it is again just an example). so, isn't it that by understanding and seeing
Part I If you had a horrible infection from dirty water, lets say, would you spend several days waiting for lab results to see which bacteria caused your problem OR would you take a broad spectrum antibiotic to try and kill what is trying to kill you? My point is you don't always need to know what is bringing about the fear. It may take years, by then it is too late. By ove rthinking the cause you will reinforce it. So fear may be born out of some action, but don't let that stop you.
Part 2. Other times u are simply born with fear. Newborn mammals can be scared without learning it from anyone. Part3 As for dealing with fear, its not the same as "making it go away". Nor should you! You need it to survive. So its not always a problem Thats what I meant by saying fear as a problem is the problem. When ones mind runs amuck with fear or any emotion, then we have a mind problem. Fear, at this point is a symptom. What do you think?
i don't know if you want to go further into this, because coming back to fear it gets more complex, no? we were still not clear enough that we are not talking about fear of being face to face with any kind of danger. that fear leaves no trace once the danger is over- except maybe a drive to avoid it in future, which plays a favor to your survival. that kind of fear exists in every living creature. we are talking of something much more subtle, non- stop present thing. do we continue to be
why should the two exclude themselves though? obviously i take the medication, i react to a current situation, it is plane sane. isn't it sane, too, to take a look if it is possible that it doesn't happen again? what you're saying now is i believe in antibiotics, please, no need to go into why the water was dirty or similar. you'll get ill again and again. it's same negligence as not taking the antibiotics, just the dying takes longer.
researchers or we say 'not interested, because it will only create a problem'? i guess i think the mess while clearing it up is much lesser than thought before leaping into. :D in any case- :D
isn't it that fear is, not 'maybe', but 'is' born out of moving away from, not facing. which is not really an action. i'm discontent and too lazy or not enough sensitive to be even aware of it. i've taken on so many stimulations, i look good, good job, 3 flirts per night ect. but the discontent is there and fear of loosing my stimulations too. it drives me, but i'm not aware of it. how will i deal with it then? it is so deeply glued to the way i think, 'act', feel. discontent, conflict, fear,
Youve made many comments. So let me try to respond to all. IF you somehow get rid of this fear,then what are you left with DEATH. Is that what you want? Your comments suggest anxiety about unknowns rather than knowns. Doesn't matter. Coping mechanisms are the same. Its more than "deeply glued" to you. It IS you. Like your arm or leg. "Researchers" who continue on the fear trail create drugs to make money. Gurus and politicians also want power to make you who your are not. Mental castration.
hej, thanks for being so fiery-responsive on the other side. huge things are getting clear, so we can stop if i'm taking too much of your time. sure, conflict and stimulation and fear 'is' you, i wanted to avoid those words. now, you'll revolt to this and i see myself how it can sound naive and ridiculous put that way- i am sensitive to my discontent, i see the danger in the whole process of stimulation and fear- you can't have one without another- so i don't go into it. i face my discontent
and there's nothing to get rid off. why would there be death in taking a responsive look at my stimulations or you know- all of it? i just see the uselessness of doing dangerous things, i don't need any guru or politician to give me that motive. guru's are a pure dosage of mental castration. well said!
you're right. approaching something as a problem is approaching it with a 'want to get rid of you' attitude. so, let's not make a problem out of fear. talking, discovering the way it appears and when, the way it lives with our actions isn't making a problem out of it. it simply shows passion for understanding, which you apparently have. so, embracing and accepting fear. are these or any techniques or analyzing fear or discussing it personally and partially, revealing it one after another really
Tamedmind: Thanks for these 2 videos but it's a shame that the 3rd is missing bec this is only 2/3 of the discussion between K & MZ... Look forward to the rest of the video if u have it! Thanks.
qigong1001, fear arises from an unconscious state of mind which is a reaction to lifes content. It comes from identification with thought and form. You hear about near death acts of heroism all the time which comes automatically with no thought involved. Fear is a reaction; a byproduct of thought. Your thoughts have caused you to fear and thats not innate but rather a dysfunction in human behavior.
layzO, please use the reply icon when responding. Anyway, please don't think I'm being insulting, but your statements need clarification. Don't understand half of what you said, but I'll try. You don't believe in instinct, yet you say people perform acts of heroism without thought. Can't you see the contradiction?
I'll reiterate, why do babies or lower life forms feel fear then? Clearly its not a byproduct of thought, since they have so little of it. Feel free to respond.
I respect your point of view; no way i find your words insulting. My intent is not to make anyone right or wrong for I see both as interdependent. Seeing the truth is what matters. Where theres instinct theres no contemplation, just action and where theres contemplation theres no instinct but a reaction that arises out of unconsciousness, fear.
Knowing is false understanding, not knowing is blind ignorance. Babies and other life forms feel fear because of a knowing. One cannot solve a problem of the mind by the mind for it will only lead to further confusion. If your sense of I comes from mind and body then you'll barely understand me but if your sense of I comes from a deep seated state that is above mind and body then you'll understand.
Layz0, I would like to speak directly to YOU. I don't wish to speak to Tolle, or Krish, or anyone else. Let me hear what YOU have to say. Anyway, Ill reiterate my question once more, if you don't want to answer its fine. Why do babies or lower life forms feel fear, when it is clearly not learned?
Layz, I'm not speaking "on behalf" of anyone, but stating a fact of common observation. Babies, animals, you, and me feel fear.Who are the people questioning this simple fact? Fear is a simple product of evolution, nothing more. i will share the research with you if interested. KM is a good guy, I like his discussiions with physicist David Bohm ( you will enjoy them too). Yet, to make abstract, something so simple, leads to confusion (not that your confused), but it is often a consequence.
I think it's quite obvious that we have a certain amount of programming in our genes and fear is part of this. The 1st thing babies do when they're born is express fear by crying. Fear is not just an abstraction arising from thought but a reality - it's an energy that you can feel.
If for instance you get mugged, at that instance there's self-preservation, a reaction to danger - that's not really fear. But when thought comes in later it becomes a psychological fear and you're afraid of being mugged again. This self-preservation is inherent in us but psychological fears are learned responses, conditioning.
Okb, you will be hard pressed to find any cognitive scientist who will agree with you that "a reaction to danger is not really fear." Now think about the very first evolutionary ancestor or protohuman that felt fear. How did he learn it, if there was no one to learn from? Any theory that posits too little innate structure is clearly false. Ofcourse, there is no question that environment is also a factor, but its not one or the other. Its both! There is no need for abstract energies or similar.
I think that we have confused the "flight/fight" response to danger and "fear". At the moment when there is danger I'm saying that there is no time to think. OK so lets call this response "fear", but it is not the same as the psychological fears we have, which always involve time - something bad happened and I'm afraid that it may be repeated tomorrow or next week. This is created by thought.The response to danger is inate otherwise we would have become extinct.
K talks about the factual fears -ie a dangerous situation - and the psychological fears - fears created by thought. Both operate in us, but the confusion of the two is the problem. The psychological fears inhibit us from dealing with facts, reality, bec it distorts our perception.I take it that you don't agree with K!
Okb, K tries to explain divisiveness in the world as a function of fear. This is one aspect, but greed is more of a factor. So, yes I disagree with his ideas as there is confusion in concepts. As for "psychological fear" and "survival fear" being separate I disagree as well. To any perceived situation, BOTH responses happen in degrees. One is the"survival response" and "psyc response" as you put it. And both involve thought. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THOUGHT. Cont...
I believe you and K are referring to "anxiety" "worry", or maybe "panic disorders" people possess.
If you agree, then I know what you mean now.Even so, there is no point in abstracting. Trying to figure out why your scared just wont help, its been tried.
Discussing worries or fears is proven to work. Taking small steps in facing fears is proven, Visualizing dealing with a situation works. Focusing on specific tasks. These are Navy Seal tactics adopted from cognitive science by the way.
When a 10ton truck comes rushing towards you do you think about whether you should move out of the way or do you just act? Do u ponder over what happened last time u were in that situation?Action is immediate is it not? There is a big difference that u refuse to see.Panic disorders are not what I'm referring to.I'm talking about the everyday worries/"fears" we have.
Okb, perhaps I need to be more clear. I say BOTH survival responses and "psychological" as you put it happen. YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THESE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY. Take your hypothetical 10 ton truck, how do you know its dangerous and not trying to make friends? How would you know its coming at you. Immediacy does not rule out thought. After, do you never think about it again? How did the memory form? If there is memory, it is patently obvious there is thought. Cont...
LOL! If u don't move out of the way u'll get killed or injured, that's why! Do u have the same mentality when crossing the road? I'm surprised you're still alive! Why would u think of "making friends" with a truck? The only question is whether u'll move out of the way in time. This isn't a lab experiment, it's an instinctual reflex action to a threat. U've had this experience which becomes memory from which comes thought. It's very simple.
Furthermore, science has not solved the problem of fear. Yes, u may help people to gradually cope with it better but K is not talking about partial solutions. He is going to the root of fear. Division creates conflict, u can see it clearly in the world, and conflict goes with fear; it's a chain reaction; u cannot separate them.And finally why do u reduce this to a concept? It's the only sane answer.Science views everything as fragments and therefore fails bec this must be seen holistically.
okb, you feel "science has failed". This is quite revealing. There is a common misperception of what science is. Think of it as reason in its purest form. Different questions require different techniques and ways of dealing with them. If there is a deficit, it is with ones intuition, NOT THE SCIENCE. So,where has it failed?
Science is NOT against holism. Its not for or against anything, It is about results and mechanisms.
I'm saying that science has failed in this respect - not that it has failed in everything, that would be silly. I don't see how u can use different techniques (which imply different ideas etc) and yet talk of holism. Fragments mean division; there's a contradiction here. The many parts of a broken glass do not create an unbroken glass.
You are unable to answer any of the questions I have posed, and merely diverted.How can there be memory of a danger if (as you claim) there is no associated thought? Science has failed in what respect? how did the first protohuman "learn" fear if no one to learn from? You cannot answer these simple questions because they contradict flawed beliefs.
Science has not failed, but "new age" thinking is a failure. This is the problem with new age thinking--abandonment of critical thought.
Well science is merely a tool to study the natural world, and that the identifications and fragmentation that science places on each new discovery, theory ect, are really not meant to be taken seriously outside of academia.
People who do think in 'scientific' terms MEANING that they think the identification is more than what it is, thus thinking divisively and in fragments, giving meaning to vague concepts ect... well, that's their prerogative.
Yes I agree that science is a tool and that it's neutral. Moreover, I do not dismiss its necessity. It should never have even entered into this debate, but people love to play off "scientific approach" against what they see as wishy-washy New Ageism. Anyone that understands what K has said will see that science is necessary but will also see that science is limited by knowledge (therefore fragmentary) and that to get to the root of fear we need a new approach.
what a passionate debate you had. i suppose you have wanted more objective insight to fear and not merely accepting everything k says as undoubtedly true. and in this sense you were trying to establish more of an scientistic view. now- if we would go into it very calmly, would you do it with me? we have a common view on the fact that there are many factors to present situation in the world. Greed being one of them. and that greed comes in a 'package' with fear, as soon as i am greedy, i am also
afraid to loose what i posses, because my very vitality depends on it. when i fall in love i'm instantly afraid of not being liked, or to loose that person, because i have stated my well being on the fact that i have somebody to depend on. ect ect. so, instead of facing the fact of fear- which has maybe even contributed to my actions of dependences or attachements, or has been maybe even the very reason- i entagle myself even more to the doings of greed or similar. it becomes an endless process
he talks about the kind of fear that is abstract. the fear of what others might think or the fear of not getting a "good job".
I'm German and we have 2 differend words for fear. "Angst" and "Furcht". Angst is the abstract kind of fear and Furcht is the kind of fear when you are in danger. I guess you know the difference in the feelings
Mrcochino is absolutely correct. There is no need for an abstract definition of fear. As we evolved "fear", a "side effect" was that it wasn't specific to survival. In other words, the fear response can act like a "reflex" to anything remotely unfamiliar or different. So, sometimes it misapplies to other aspects of our lives.
fear is a human behavior, not a natural human instinct. fear is rooted in ego; natural human instinct, if there's such a thing, is rooted in your beingness which says "yes" to every moment. fear says "no" to every moment and prefers a moment different from this very moment. what you resist persists and thats what fear is
Layz0, you say fear is not instinctual. Yet we see that animals including ourselves have used this as a survival tool for hundreds of thousands of years. Other animals possibly longer. No one needs to teach the fear response as if it were "human behavior." We already know babies and animals exhibit fear without it being learned. I'm sure you have heard of the "flight or fight" response. IT IS INNATE. It benefits no one to try and make it abstract. This is what drives people neurotic.
Wow...he's old, from India, speaks slowly and uses big words. We should kiss his feet and thrive on his wisdom!
First, a question...If he was a White man with a Southern accent would anybody have bothered to videotape, upload or pay tribute to his opinions? Supposing he's right...did he say anything important? Did his words enlighten you...or merely feed your smugness?
Now, show your fatuous "psuedo-intellectual" colors and "thumbs-down" the dumb redneck. I don't care. YOU KNOW I'm right HA!
Look up Robert Anton Wilson if you like speakers with American accents, he was also old and used big words, but he doesn't talk as slowly so I'm not sure if you'd like him or not.
I'm not sure how relevant how one speaks is, though.
Krishnamurti is pointing out one of the most fundamental human qualities. Abstraction of the feeling the the pain (in animals) is taken to extremes with humans. For example, we can feel empathy (the pain of others) for a cartoon warthog and meerkat. I mean people cry for these characters that are just pen and ink. Do you see what Krishnamurti is talking about when he says abstraction?
bubb3432 1 month ago
How do i achieve such great serenity and wiseness as he says ,im only 18 and as far as i remember i always had the desire to save ecological life on this planet,being a naturalist but ..i hv doubts and family objection .what do i do?
toypy 1 month ago
@toypy Ask yourself what you think you should do and never use abstraction but look at things as a while. Adhere to facts and rationality. :)
I thinK Jiddu would advice you in a manner like that and BETTER!
HajtomY 1 week ago
The absolute truth is the interdependence of life, the entanglement of all and everything in the language of quantum physics. Capitalism is the historic process of PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP OF ALIENATION,EXPLOITATION AND SUFFERING OF HUMANITY in a modality of commodity production with the sole motive of profit . A WORLD MARKET MECHANISM of ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY,, DISTORTION AND DESTRUCTION. The emergent realisation of limits and obsolete nature of Capitalism is on.
arzoyan 6 months ago 2
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Our progressive evolution is dependent upon the transformation of our current society with the opportunity of rebuilding a new world based on sustainable foundation that is in harmony with the planet.. Only with complete transparancy wiil we be able to chart a more viable future for humanity. Quantum physics emphasizes a fundamental truth the" observer creates the world". Once we share the planet as ONE HUMAN COMMUNITY IN COOPERATION can the entire population make history consciously
arzoyan 6 months ago 2
Our perceptions of our natural /social world has been shaped by the monetary interest of the GANGS OF CAPITALISM , MONETARY Profit of a few is the driving force of our times. With their National Flags,Corporate Logos, Religious Dogmas,they divide to rule and dominate to PROFIT, This odious IDEOLOGY of the rulers has become the all embracing truth and common sense in the WORLD MARKET PLACE of artificial scarcity and wage slavery OF WORKING MEN/WOMEN.
arzoyan 7 months ago 3
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Majority of our brothers and sisters have been dehumanised for the Market System of artificial scarcity, the monetary serfdom and employment system of devaluation and alienation. The rulers have used all means to weaken our resolve for a life of cooperation and harmony. However the emergent, changing socio-economic condition is demystifying all the ideological hold and manipulation. We shall evolve and transcend the false limits of current minority political imposition
arzoyan 7 months ago 2
thank you Krishnamurti,you shed light and now I understand
Simoom006 7 months ago
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Science and technology is the fruit of human evolution and our common heritage, We need to transcend the MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY and USELESS EMPLOYMENT SYSEM to really take care of our needs and well being. Monetary serfdom of humanity for the private gain of the criminal ruling elite is the negation of our common humanity in harmony within and without.
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The fundamental principle that we need to grapple with is this , Humanity cannot be treated as batteries of energy so a few can enrich and empower themselves the consequence is a world of war,poverty,exploitation,enviornmental destruction and many other terrible ongoing challenges, or We share the earth for all generations to come in harmony and cooperation for our material and emotional needs, We need to understand our common source and our common destiny , our common humanity as one
arzoyan 8 months ago 7
Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL scarcity and distortions, to perpetuate wage-slavery/exploitation in the interest of the OWNING/RULING CLASS. A socio-economic modality of production for profit as the sole consideration with devastating consequences of perpetual war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and sufffering, a social reality of fear,insecurity,devaluation and dehumanisation.
arzoyan 9 months ago 11
The only thing worth fearing is fear itself.
dananonymous1 9 months ago
@dananonymous1 I would say that fear is not even worth fearing, because then it would just perpetuate itself to infinity.
SuperAleaiactaest 8 months ago
The thinker is the thought... giz, the most original, intelligent and subliminal statement ever...
illmatc 10 months ago
Thanks for this video.
MyRavand 11 months ago
This man is such a Delightful mind : )
I love 2 C how he teaches children!
Michelle LittleOwl
Peace 2 All-----
sparcenigma07 11 months ago
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World capitalism is the monetary serfdom of immnese humanity in a MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY to perpetuate poverty and the bondage of the working men and women for the abstract,insane process of capital accumulation and concentration. Capitalism is a cancer upon humnaity and we need to LIVE ON EARTH IN CCOPERATION for our common needs and well being. A MONEYLESS,CLASSLESS,STATELESS communities of humanity expressing our creative energies in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 11 months ago
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The political circus in USA and across the world is run by clowns. The mass media is in the front seat for distortions,deceptions and outright lies to perpetuate the criminal rule of elite superclass. Capitalism in any modality CORPORATE as in USA or STATIST in CHINA is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless,dehumanising,devaluing employment system of MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY perpetuating the conditions of poverty and alienation of immense humanity.
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Capitalism is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a politically manipulated MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY ,a tyrannical,destructive system to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in the interest of the ruling class. Capitalism from its Genocidal killings of native Americans to the mercantile plundering and enslavement of African natives to its Millitaristic rise of European Powers to World wars and Financial serfdom of the world has been a DISASTEROUS imposition .
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Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 1 year ago 3
Because once we've all had Krishnamurti's insight that fear itself is of an illusory quality then the response should be immediate, shouldn't it?
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
which themselves are the function of the same kind of human brain operating under the same disordered state induced by the mind being conditioned by fear itself. Krishnamurti says 'the mind is not of time", but the brain operates in time. What do you think that means?
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
@tHeSQuARer00toF2 Hi, I am Michelle Little Owl,an enlightened spiritual teacher/healer & I'd like 2 share an observation of my own experience between the action of thought in the brain & the existence of higher informative ideas that r "given" 2 the mind of the each of us when we let go of the individual (ego) identity. Some people who meditate learn 2 tap into the Universal Mind which has nothing 2 do with an individual perspective & it is in these moments that 1 is their true timeless self.
sparcenigma07 1 year ago
@sparcenigma07 universal...mind? D:
sonnetxi 11 months ago
@sonnetxi Hey there : ) There exists a higher place,not physical where All IS 1--- As I meditate I 1st become aware of my "private thoughts) or lower bodily level thoughts,then as I focus on the Inner Light IT draws my minds attention 2 IT'S SELF. While IT gets brighter IT is simultaneously removing or shining away fear based thoughts & my thinking changes. My mind is no longer separate from the Universal Knowing which in truth is what we r.
I commend U 4 Searching 4 truth!
LittleOwl
sparcenigma07 11 months ago
@sparcenigma07 sure, when we meditate, we relax our mind and body and feelings of wellbeing and peace sometimes overtake our minds, that doesnt mean that all our minds are connected in some universal way, you know, objectively speaking.
sonnetxi 11 months ago
However Krishnamurti would find any attempts at violence to usher in a new economic order entailing a simple re-distribution of power and wealth not as a "real" revolution, but simply another counter-revolution which must inevitably result in the continuation of exploitation and domination, simply according to a different set of cultural values and propaganda.
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
The desire to see the end of the western empire which is based on the exploitation of poorer sections of the planet is indeed fair, it does not make much literal sense to conceive for 1/5 of the Earth's population living with such extensive material worth while they do not toil in the earth themselves to create it. It is correct to see "money" as a mechanism for economic control and manipulation, certainly.
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
it's is doubtful that a world with radical economic equality would be a world free of conflict, because force has to be employed to maintain that illusory ideal. Disparities in wealth which result in one sector of a population living in extreme wealth while other sectors starve are not the functions of a legitimate society; and certainly is simply a lie to claim that such a society represents socialism.
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
To understand that, is to understand Krishnamurti and what he intended.
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
If you have a conclusion, any conclusion at all, then you have foreclosed the possibility of moving past conflict at all.
tHeSQuARer00toF2 1 year ago
how do you get to be so smart. Genes ? Education ? Thank god for the man and others like him who help us open our eyes to the truth
nasakotoqkata92 1 year ago
J.Krishnamurti's teachings are truly jewel-like. His teachings should be thoroughly spread throughout the world, to all of humanity.
aloozer 1 year ago
A moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity expressing our freedom in creative harmonious cooperation for a world that is so POTENTIALLY AND ACTUALLY nourishing. Capitalism in any form, Statist or Corporatist is the denial of our common humanity in a politically manipulated,tyrannical armed MARKET SYSYTEM of artificial scarcity that is designed to perpetuate the enslavement of immense humanity for material interest of the criminal ruling elite.
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The evolution of recent human history has been dominated by minority control over the majority, the rulers have come up with nessesary illusion for compliance and servitude of the many, Science and technology has created a world of plenty, but the market mechanism is about artificial scarcity to perpetuate poverty and exploitation in a modality of war,enviornmental destructions,animal cruelty and so on . The new paradigm is sharing the Earth for our collective needs and wellbeing.
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Capitalism is the final chapter in historic evolution of THE TYRANNY OF PRIVATE PROPERTY RELATIONSHIP of alienation,exploitation and suffering of humanity, a Market mechanism where minority interest is the NEGATION OF OUR COMMON HUMANITY IN COOPERATION and HARMONY. We shall overcome the structure of minority power and oppression and reclaim our planet for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being, expressing our energetic creative divinity in freedom of being
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Our world is hostage to the insatiable rampaging of the ruling class private gain and greed, dominating,dehumanising,devaluing everyone and everything in the midst. We can and must change the wage slavery of immense humanity in a market system of artificial scarcity . We can share the world for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without.
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The true spiritual journey is emancipation of humanity from capitalism, a system of political economy based on wage slavery of immense humanity in a market mechanism where war,poverty,expolitation,enviornmental destruction,animal cruelty and so on are the business as usual. Capitalism is the mass mind control of many for the private gain of a few, a reality of fear,insecurity,devaluation and distortions of our true potentials for a world of harmony in cooperation to take care of our wellbeing
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A world of cooperation for our common needs and well being is possibility moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity, where human creative genius is not limited to minority private gain. We can achieve together a social reality of harmony within and without and evolve a true civilisation We can transcend the ruling class ideological hold and emotional manipulation, The rulers have colonised our mind for commercial use in a Market system of alienation dominated by state/corporations
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
So basically you when you have the fear you need to accept (or examine it) instead of running away o religion, self help books, conspiracy theories, blaming others...and on and on. It is hard to do in such a fast paced world...almost like some kind of juggling act while walking a tightrope....
Thanks for the vids!
stankdude 1 year ago
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today, is in my opinion, the real source of evil. ALBERT EINSTEIN 1949
arzoyan 1 year ago 96
@arzoyan Einstein couldnt perform the most basic domestic tasks....the man couldnt make himself a cup of tea.Albert Einstein was a fuckin shit-puppet
MultiJacob17 1 year ago
@arzoyan I doubt it its not Einstein. WIth or with out him capitalism was already moving
HajtomY 1 week ago
The economic anarchy as it exists today is, in my opinion the real source of the evil.
ALBERT EINSTEIN 1949
arzoyan 1 year ago 9
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ntripod 1 year ago
Fear is the energetic vibration of immense humanity shackled in wage slavery for the private gain of a few. This politically manipulated market mechanism, this web of monetary control is the evolution of the private property relationship a template of the reptillian, brain,cold,hostile,competative,egotistical. For humanity to evolve and transend this false limits and horrors of dehumanisation and distortions we need to Share the Earth in cooperation for our common needs and well being
arzoyan 1 year ago 138
@arzoyan woah
TokenMatch 1 year ago
@arzoyan
you have it backwards my friend - the outside conditions of our lives cannot be actually changed without a change internally, our understanding of reality and actuality. otherwise you are still only manipulating ideas, not truth.
kennhiser 1 year ago
@arzoyan
If you're that obsessed with worldly issues that you must constantly bash a market system you're missing the point of this video and most likely much of Krishnamurti's ideals.
wepmajoe 1 year ago
@wepmajoe Go and put your head in your butt and think of not so worldly matters, Human suffering is not existential but social and so long as we live in a Market System where immense humanity are treated like batteries of energy so a few criminal elite can enrich themselves , War,enviornmental destruction,animal suffering and human exploitation and devaluation will carry on as a matter of routine. go on and chant you stupid
arzoyan 1 year ago 5
@arzoyan Sir, don't tarnish a Krishnamurti video with banal communistic babble. His talk is well above economic orientations. Even in a socialist utopia, there would be fear if the mind is not free from thoughts.
xtrmsprts 1 year ago
@xtrmsprts your desire for limiting and censoring is the fear that Krishnamurti was talking about.
arzoyan 1 year ago
@arzoyan It's not censorship, sir. I don't have powers to censor you. I'm just saying it's unwise to clump communist talk with Krishnamurti
xtrmsprts 1 year ago
@xtrmsprts Krishnamurti stands for a world of harmony within and without, to attain that we need to share the Eart in cooperation for our common needs and well being, its good that you dont have the power of censorship, and you are very unwise in your shallow comment.
arzoyan 1 year ago 2
@arzoyan Krishnamurti had no political plan in mind,he would disavow your comments with characteristic JK disdain. Any visions of your type of utopia usually end up in buchenwald or soviet brand of censorship."The path to hell is paved with good intentions" Let us,like JK urges, let go off all thought completely instead of adhering to antiquated communist dogmas. Anyway, I hope we can agree to disagree,I'm sorry if before I got personal.
xtrmsprts 1 year ago
@xtrmsprts The dominance of minority criminal interest moralised and legalised as FREE MARKET is the wage slavery of immense humanity in a useless employment system, for this dehumanisation to be a permanent feature, the ruling elite have used all means available to stupify majority, we have to do our all to fight back and organise for a democratic majority movement for a world of cooperation for our common needs and well being in harmony within and without, we shall prevail
arzoyan 1 year ago 5
@arzoyan I have to say that was well-articulated.Michael Moore would have teared up.I'm not insincere,my friend.I agree that consumerism has its drawbacks but previous applications of your vision,as demonstrated by Soviet Union,forecast that some people will invariably abuse power,creating worse hell.In the Anderson/K series, K repudiates capitalism and communism,both...these are all ideas.Ideas are thought-bound,hence limited.One must free one's minds from such repetitive thoughts.
xtrmsprts 1 year ago
@xtrmsprts So called Soviet Union was a State Capitalist tyrannial regime and had nothing to do with true socialist ideas of a world of cooperation in a moneyless,classless,stateless communities of humanity , Krishnamurti can only ask for indidvidual change in a moral sense of the word as Christianity has, which is thought bound ,limiting and false.
arzoyan 1 year ago 5
RBE
ganyita 1 year ago
@arzoyan treu to an extent, but there is nothing wrong with an economy- The economy and going to work is exactly the same mechanism at work as how men hunted for food thousands of years ago- if you did not hunt- you starved. Now, if you do not work, you starve. Its always been a matter of survival and perhaps always will. The chief elders in tribes didn't have to hunt- they would get food irrespective. Its always been this way.
dimitraeus202 1 year ago
@dimitraeus202 We dont live in natural economy of taking care of our needs and well being , WE ARE IMPOSED A POLITICALLY MANIPULATED,TYRANNICAL ECONOMY OF THE MARKET SYSTEM OF ARTIFICIAL SCARCITY THAT EXPLOITES ALL AND EVERYTHING FOR THE ABSTRACT PROCESS OF CAPITAL ACCUMULATION AND CONCENTRATION FOR THE CRIMINAL SUPERCLASS. Your statement is absurd and naive at best, you must have been chanting in koo koo land.
arzoyan 1 year ago 4
@arzoyan you sound like jared loughner.
DELPHIIII 1 year ago
@arzoyan
Hi. I've been through your immature phase of being in denial of the world, and also through your immature phase of believing your words mean more if you WRITE THEM IN CAPITALS. It is part of the growing up process. An economy is a natural thing, and yes the world is not right. Therefore we do our best to improve it. Stop being counter-culture. It is dumb.
dimitraeus202 1 year ago
@arzoyan the prolitarians of today arnt shackled''. say if you dont like your job, then quit it for self employment. we arnt in the 19th century you know, different social contexts calls for different systems of society.
sonnetxi 11 months ago
@sonnetxi True we are stuck in the 18th century of exploitation,dehumanisation and have the potential of the 21 century for a world of material and emotional harmony within and without.
arzoyan 11 months ago
@arzoyan THE VENUS PROJECT!
ChiefWolfmoon 11 months ago
@arzoyan what you are saying is COMMUNISM !!!! COMMIE !!!!
MrSinnerstefan 10 months ago
@arzoyan you sir, are an educated retard. you completely misunderstand the point of the video. from the negative stuff he's talking about come people like you with very bad ideas. it's not the point at all to construct and idea of perfect world. by not doing this and not following ideas like your's, can we be free and pure.
datmogul 8 months ago
@datmogul Education system mirrors the socio-economic imposition of minority rule. Retard are your owners who have contempt for humanity in cooperation,peace and harmony within and without.
arzoyan 8 months ago
@arzoyan so in your communist world there would be no education system ? I don't have an owner. Your owner though, seems to be the IDEA of a communist world. I know the Venus Project, it's a good idea, just like like the basis of soviet union was. What turned out, though.. ?
datmogul 8 months ago
@datmogul Ex Soviet Union just like current Chinese regime was a STATE CAPITALIST DICTATORIAL regime. a labour camp, parallel with Western Powers in its Imperialiast death and destruction, the other side of the tyrannical totality of monetary SERFDOM AND SERVITUDE. Parroting your owners to devalue the urgency and need to SHARE THE EARTH IN COOPERATION FOR OUR COMMON NEEDS AND WELL BEING is the ideological hold and denial of our common humanity in harmony within and without.
arzoyan 8 months ago 15
@arzoyan
too bad humans are still just animals who still work mostly on reptilian brain when they can gain something, resources for example etc.
Thastorcyclone 7 months ago
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arzoyan 7 months ago
@arzoyan alternative?
Katharsis540 5 months ago
@arzoyan Fear definitely arises in the reptilian brain and persists w/ the symbolic-logical brain, however ego-politics and territorial-emotional reactions for control of space, possessions, status is common to the mammalian brain. Humanity at large is still evolving/actualizing the social-sexual brain and a small but significant percent has opened up the 5th Spacious Awareness brain and a few superstar players abide in this awareness and even beyond to I AM Presence, Clear Light of pure intell
shawngoods 4 months ago
the doer is the activity he is doing
FACT, not an idea. it is a reality
ie giving out good vibes, so in conclusion the PERSON IS GOOD VIBES!
ofmasters 1 year ago
gawd
amhot19 1 year ago
I think that there is a difference between fear of a snake and the fear that plagues man kind. As a child its healthy to have the fear of snake u know to run away. Yet as an adult if that same fear or sense of danger seeps into ur life it becomes an negative fear. For example being an American it seems there is this wide spread fear that the dollar is going to crumble and this is an unhealthy fear. Yet it seems most Americans dont have the time or the insight to listen to J Krishna's teachings.
darintaylor79 2 years ago
man: do you know why children are more intelligent than adults? Child: I dont know. Man: Because children know that you do things to have to have fun not to make money or loose weight^^
Mongodelight 2 years ago
Probably the most important insight in the history of mankind.
sclogse1 2 years ago
How refreshing it is to hear a man actually take time to communicate with feeling
spacerabbitt 2 years ago 2
Dear Juanster23 Krishnamurti actually answers your question. He emphasizes the fact that the true, all consuming fear is the idea of fear, the abstract fear. Snakes, spiders etc. fear is by no meanings abstract and thus not consuming!
Choreftis 2 years ago
**certainly**
Juanster23 2 years ago
But, fear also serves a purpose. To be afraid of a snake, spider can be a good thing. When it turns into a phobia that is something else. But, to have some fear certaintly can't be a bad thing. Or am I missing something?
Juanster23 2 years ago
No. Fear of a snake is common sense. He's focusing on the mind-made prisons of fear that we all create, such as the fear of death, the fear of not being accepted, and so on. Fear creates confusion, which in turn leads to choices based on illusions and misconceptions. He also talks of facing your fears calmly and not saying they are good or bad, but just trying to understand them. Only you can work your way through them. There is no one you can pay to "help" you with them.
koreankayagum 2 years ago 8
@koreankayagum Your words serve as a passage, to which one might inquire into innate fear [ fact] and the dislodgement [ abstraction] from it through the need for security. I maintain, that only the mind that is quiet and still, can become both the observer and the observed. We both maintain, that once we name it, or judge it, we are simply describing fear, and therefore we are merely the self, watching. Please think on this. Is it true that one can " work their way through fear?" Control it?
saintjoe14 1 year ago
The fear of loneliness..the fear of disappointment...the fear of being humiliated...the fear of having nothing on your mind at all and being with yourself and watching all that you do and think. Fear in this case is only one example of the split between the observer and the observed...other examples are, well, taking action on yourself to, stop smoking...using time as a means...the struggle to stop supports the observer and observed separation. Any acting upon a problem in yourself is messed up.
sclogse1 2 years ago
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josephstra 2 years ago
feer is
not getting what you want
loosing what you have
emotion of defence mechanism againct the unknown
soniazpapp 3 years ago 3
yes, you are quite right. there is too much try to make complex and spiritual. your insight is consistent with actual study done on fear. also, i dont understand why so much anti science on youtube. its not good. they only show themselves as stupid.
secularmonk 3 years ago 2
Loosing what you have doesn´t have to be fearfull.
jazzjan 3 years ago
Exemple if your Mother is diyng it can be fearful
soniazpapp 3 years ago
Sir, that is the abstraction of fear. For example, if there were no humans in the world, nobody to think, those meanings you just gave mean nothing. They are conceptual and therefore not real facts or laws such as the Laws of Logic. E.g. 1+1 = 2, a=a, a does not equal anything that isn't a, etc. You misunderstood J.K.
Youanden 2 years ago
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i see a bunch of nonsense remarks. y'all are missing the point in this moment, by getting suduced by thoughts and all sorts of mental activity. be still, in body and mind, and see what fear is. you might just laugh at what you realize
layz0 3 years ago
I have no desire to keep repeating myself or to change you. U clearly have very rigid views and your whole raison d'etre is to defend science, so ahead. U deceive yourself if u think for one moment that you have understood K, but I guess it's not wish to do so. Anyway... GOODBYE qigong1001.
okb1313 3 years ago
MYTH1 Problem of fear. WRONG. FEAR is an emotion. Attempts to eliminate it are futile. Science has well established ways to et it to work for you! Look for yourself before you judge.
MYTH 2.problem of division. WRONG. As I said b4, name one scientist who is against holism? YOU CANT.
MYTH 3. It wants conformity. WRONG Science is about continuously challenging ones beliefs. Its how you EVALUATE ones beliefs. LOOK IT UP YOURSELF.
qigong1001 3 years ago
MYTH 4. Views in fragments. Ever hear of the theory of relativity? This is a wholistic as it gets.
MYTH 5. No sense of compassion. CORRECT!! This is why it works. Emotion obscures critical thought. Hence, double blind studies. It doesn't care for you, nor does it hate you. Just like your computer doesn't hate you.
qigong1001 3 years ago
I have no desire to keep repeating myself or to change you. U clearly have very rigid views and your whole raison d'etre is to defend science, so go ahead. U deceive yourself if u think for one moment that you have understood K, but I guess it's not your wish to do so. Anyway... GOODBYE qigong1001
okb1313 3 years ago
and has little to do with fear of physical survival. now, it is obvious you can't just simplify it to the ground, that fear is just being a thought, it is much more vast, fear is implied in the whole field of one's life. with understanding of every action you make in your life it is obvious too, that it cannot be separate as a problem unrelated to your daily activities. do we meet there? but now the question is- can this endless processes be seen?
katioushcka 2 years ago
Nice to meet you kat. You've made quite a few points, so let me summarize my beliefs. It's been a while, but here it goes. Viewing fear as a problem IS the problem. You have to virtually embrace it. You may extinguish one, but another will replace it. Our job is too manage it via discussion, taking small steps or visualization. These are proven techniques...
qigong1001 2 years ago
Now you have associated love with possession in your comment. Why? You already stated the dangers it leads to. True love is about letting go. No fear. If one cannot separate the two (love and possesion), then that is clearly not love. We are all guilty of this at some time. But many eventually learn and accept that we were guilty of 'false love'. So, fear is endless like you say, but is not a problem, it just "is." Acceptance is the first step.
qigong1001 2 years ago
doing that? or is it just another way to want to make it go away. is that why it is endless? because you approach it exactly what you see as wrong- fear as a prey, as a problem? if i put it that way; would you agree; we see fear can be born out of our own actions, so, instead of separating it from our actions and trying to get rid of it, could we give attention to the actions that bring about fear? (we're not simplifying it there, just opening a larger chapter). if i give an example (like the
katioushcka 2 years ago
love thing, again you're right, it is not necessarily so, it's just an example), those marines you've mentioned- if they wouldn't force themselves, or wouldn't be obliged or however you want to put it, doesn't matter, to do something against what their whole bodies revolte- would they have a problem of fear in the first place? (and again, let's not go too large on it, let's leave war out of it for the moment, it is again just an example). so, isn't it that by understanding and seeing
katioushcka 2 years ago
what actions we do, actually give birth to more fear, that there instantly isn't any problem of fear in the first place. huh am i understandable :)
katioushcka 2 years ago
Part I If you had a horrible infection from dirty water, lets say, would you spend several days waiting for lab results to see which bacteria caused your problem OR would you take a broad spectrum antibiotic to try and kill what is trying to kill you? My point is you don't always need to know what is bringing about the fear. It may take years, by then it is too late. By ove rthinking the cause you will reinforce it. So fear may be born out of some action, but don't let that stop you.
qigong1001 2 years ago
Part 2. Other times u are simply born with fear. Newborn mammals can be scared without learning it from anyone. Part3 As for dealing with fear, its not the same as "making it go away". Nor should you! You need it to survive. So its not always a problem Thats what I meant by saying fear as a problem is the problem. When ones mind runs amuck with fear or any emotion, then we have a mind problem. Fear, at this point is a symptom. What do you think?
qigong1001 2 years ago
i don't know if you want to go further into this, because coming back to fear it gets more complex, no? we were still not clear enough that we are not talking about fear of being face to face with any kind of danger. that fear leaves no trace once the danger is over- except maybe a drive to avoid it in future, which plays a favor to your survival. that kind of fear exists in every living creature. we are talking of something much more subtle, non- stop present thing. do we continue to be
katioushcka 2 years ago
resistance, being tired, moving away, effort- they all come together, don't they?
katioushcka 2 years ago
why should the two exclude themselves though? obviously i take the medication, i react to a current situation, it is plane sane. isn't it sane, too, to take a look if it is possible that it doesn't happen again? what you're saying now is i believe in antibiotics, please, no need to go into why the water was dirty or similar. you'll get ill again and again. it's same negligence as not taking the antibiotics, just the dying takes longer.
katioushcka 2 years ago
researchers or we say 'not interested, because it will only create a problem'? i guess i think the mess while clearing it up is much lesser than thought before leaping into. :D in any case- :D
katioushcka 2 years ago
isn't it that fear is, not 'maybe', but 'is' born out of moving away from, not facing. which is not really an action. i'm discontent and too lazy or not enough sensitive to be even aware of it. i've taken on so many stimulations, i look good, good job, 3 flirts per night ect. but the discontent is there and fear of loosing my stimulations too. it drives me, but i'm not aware of it. how will i deal with it then? it is so deeply glued to the way i think, 'act', feel. discontent, conflict, fear,
katioushcka 2 years ago
Youve made many comments. So let me try to respond to all. IF you somehow get rid of this fear,then what are you left with DEATH. Is that what you want? Your comments suggest anxiety about unknowns rather than knowns. Doesn't matter. Coping mechanisms are the same. Its more than "deeply glued" to you. It IS you. Like your arm or leg. "Researchers" who continue on the fear trail create drugs to make money. Gurus and politicians also want power to make you who your are not. Mental castration.
qigong1001 2 years ago 2
hej, thanks for being so fiery-responsive on the other side. huge things are getting clear, so we can stop if i'm taking too much of your time. sure, conflict and stimulation and fear 'is' you, i wanted to avoid those words. now, you'll revolt to this and i see myself how it can sound naive and ridiculous put that way- i am sensitive to my discontent, i see the danger in the whole process of stimulation and fear- you can't have one without another- so i don't go into it. i face my discontent
katioushcka 2 years ago
and there's nothing to get rid off. why would there be death in taking a responsive look at my stimulations or you know- all of it? i just see the uselessness of doing dangerous things, i don't need any guru or politician to give me that motive. guru's are a pure dosage of mental castration. well said!
katioushcka 2 years ago
you're right. approaching something as a problem is approaching it with a 'want to get rid of you' attitude. so, let's not make a problem out of fear. talking, discovering the way it appears and when, the way it lives with our actions isn't making a problem out of it. it simply shows passion for understanding, which you apparently have. so, embracing and accepting fear. are these or any techniques or analyzing fear or discussing it personally and partially, revealing it one after another really
katioushcka 2 years ago
Tamedmind: Thanks for these 2 videos but it's a shame that the 3rd is missing bec this is only 2/3 of the discussion between K & MZ... Look forward to the rest of the video if u have it! Thanks.
okb1313 3 years ago
qigong1001, fear arises from an unconscious state of mind which is a reaction to lifes content. It comes from identification with thought and form. You hear about near death acts of heroism all the time which comes automatically with no thought involved. Fear is a reaction; a byproduct of thought. Your thoughts have caused you to fear and thats not innate but rather a dysfunction in human behavior.
layz0 3 years ago
layzO, please use the reply icon when responding. Anyway, please don't think I'm being insulting, but your statements need clarification. Don't understand half of what you said, but I'll try. You don't believe in instinct, yet you say people perform acts of heroism without thought. Can't you see the contradiction?
I'll reiterate, why do babies or lower life forms feel fear then? Clearly its not a byproduct of thought, since they have so little of it. Feel free to respond.
qigong1001 3 years ago
I respect your point of view; no way i find your words insulting. My intent is not to make anyone right or wrong for I see both as interdependent. Seeing the truth is what matters. Where theres instinct theres no contemplation, just action and where theres contemplation theres no instinct but a reaction that arises out of unconsciousness, fear.
layz0 3 years ago
Knowing is false understanding, not knowing is blind ignorance. Babies and other life forms feel fear because of a knowing. One cannot solve a problem of the mind by the mind for it will only lead to further confusion. If your sense of I comes from mind and body then you'll barely understand me but if your sense of I comes from a deep seated state that is above mind and body then you'll understand.
layz0 3 years ago
Layz0, I would like to speak directly to YOU. I don't wish to speak to Tolle, or Krish, or anyone else. Let me hear what YOU have to say. Anyway, Ill reiterate my question once more, if you don't want to answer its fine. Why do babies or lower life forms feel fear, when it is clearly not learned?
qigong1001 3 years ago
qigong1001,fear is an individual experience so speak for your self, not on behalf of babies or lower life forms.
layz0 3 years ago
Layz, I'm not speaking "on behalf" of anyone, but stating a fact of common observation. Babies, animals, you, and me feel fear.Who are the people questioning this simple fact? Fear is a simple product of evolution, nothing more. i will share the research with you if interested. KM is a good guy, I like his discussiions with physicist David Bohm ( you will enjoy them too). Yet, to make abstract, something so simple, leads to confusion (not that your confused), but it is often a consequence.
qigong1001 3 years ago
I think it's quite obvious that we have a certain amount of programming in our genes and fear is part of this. The 1st thing babies do when they're born is express fear by crying. Fear is not just an abstraction arising from thought but a reality - it's an energy that you can feel.
okb1313 3 years ago
If for instance you get mugged, at that instance there's self-preservation, a reaction to danger - that's not really fear. But when thought comes in later it becomes a psychological fear and you're afraid of being mugged again. This self-preservation is inherent in us but psychological fears are learned responses, conditioning.
okb1313 3 years ago
Okb, you will be hard pressed to find any cognitive scientist who will agree with you that "a reaction to danger is not really fear." Now think about the very first evolutionary ancestor or protohuman that felt fear. How did he learn it, if there was no one to learn from? Any theory that posits too little innate structure is clearly false. Ofcourse, there is no question that environment is also a factor, but its not one or the other. Its both! There is no need for abstract energies or similar.
qigong1001 3 years ago
I think that we have confused the "flight/fight" response to danger and "fear". At the moment when there is danger I'm saying that there is no time to think. OK so lets call this response "fear", but it is not the same as the psychological fears we have, which always involve time - something bad happened and I'm afraid that it may be repeated tomorrow or next week. This is created by thought.The response to danger is inate otherwise we would have become extinct.
okb1313 3 years ago
K talks about the factual fears -ie a dangerous situation - and the psychological fears - fears created by thought. Both operate in us, but the confusion of the two is the problem. The psychological fears inhibit us from dealing with facts, reality, bec it distorts our perception.I take it that you don't agree with K!
okb1313 3 years ago
Okb, K tries to explain divisiveness in the world as a function of fear. This is one aspect, but greed is more of a factor. So, yes I disagree with his ideas as there is confusion in concepts. As for "psychological fear" and "survival fear" being separate I disagree as well. To any perceived situation, BOTH responses happen in degrees. One is the"survival response" and "psyc response" as you put it. And both involve thought. YOU CANNOT ESCAPE THOUGHT. Cont...
qigong1001 3 years ago
I believe you and K are referring to "anxiety" "worry", or maybe "panic disorders" people possess.
If you agree, then I know what you mean now.Even so, there is no point in abstracting. Trying to figure out why your scared just wont help, its been tried.
Discussing worries or fears is proven to work. Taking small steps in facing fears is proven, Visualizing dealing with a situation works. Focusing on specific tasks. These are Navy Seal tactics adopted from cognitive science by the way.
qigong1001 3 years ago
When a 10ton truck comes rushing towards you do you think about whether you should move out of the way or do you just act? Do u ponder over what happened last time u were in that situation?Action is immediate is it not? There is a big difference that u refuse to see.Panic disorders are not what I'm referring to.I'm talking about the everyday worries/"fears" we have.
okb1313 3 years ago
Okb, perhaps I need to be more clear. I say BOTH survival responses and "psychological" as you put it happen. YOU CANNOT SEPARATE THESE NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY. Take your hypothetical 10 ton truck, how do you know its dangerous and not trying to make friends? How would you know its coming at you. Immediacy does not rule out thought. After, do you never think about it again? How did the memory form? If there is memory, it is patently obvious there is thought. Cont...
qigong1001 3 years ago
LOL! If u don't move out of the way u'll get killed or injured, that's why! Do u have the same mentality when crossing the road? I'm surprised you're still alive! Why would u think of "making friends" with a truck? The only question is whether u'll move out of the way in time. This isn't a lab experiment, it's an instinctual reflex action to a threat. U've had this experience which becomes memory from which comes thought. It's very simple.
okb1313 3 years ago
"experience which becomes memory from which comes thought"
Are you kidding?
qigong1001 3 years ago
Furthermore, science has not solved the problem of fear. Yes, u may help people to gradually cope with it better but K is not talking about partial solutions. He is going to the root of fear. Division creates conflict, u can see it clearly in the world, and conflict goes with fear; it's a chain reaction; u cannot separate them.And finally why do u reduce this to a concept? It's the only sane answer.Science views everything as fragments and therefore fails bec this must be seen holistically.
okb1313 3 years ago
okb, you feel "science has failed". This is quite revealing. There is a common misperception of what science is. Think of it as reason in its purest form. Different questions require different techniques and ways of dealing with them. If there is a deficit, it is with ones intuition, NOT THE SCIENCE. So,where has it failed?
Science is NOT against holism. Its not for or against anything, It is about results and mechanisms.
qigong1001 3 years ago
I'm saying that science has failed in this respect - not that it has failed in everything, that would be silly. I don't see how u can use different techniques (which imply different ideas etc) and yet talk of holism. Fragments mean division; there's a contradiction here. The many parts of a broken glass do not create an unbroken glass.
okb1313 3 years ago
You are unable to answer any of the questions I have posed, and merely diverted.How can there be memory of a danger if (as you claim) there is no associated thought? Science has failed in what respect? how did the first protohuman "learn" fear if no one to learn from? You cannot answer these simple questions because they contradict flawed beliefs.
Science has not failed, but "new age" thinking is a failure. This is the problem with new age thinking--abandonment of critical thought.
qigong1001 3 years ago
Can you name one or two prominent scientists who are "against holism"?
qigong1001 3 years ago
How has science failed?
1. It has not solved the problem of fear.
2. It has not solved the problem of division, therefore conflict in the world.
3. It wants conformity to society not change.
4. It views everything as fragments, perpetuating point 2.
5. It has no sense of compassion again perpetuatiing point 2.
This is how it's failed and u've come to a conclusion; therefore ending discussion.
okb1313 3 years ago
Well science is merely a tool to study the natural world, and that the identifications and fragmentation that science places on each new discovery, theory ect, are really not meant to be taken seriously outside of academia.
People who do think in 'scientific' terms MEANING that they think the identification is more than what it is, thus thinking divisively and in fragments, giving meaning to vague concepts ect... well, that's their prerogative.
I see science as being neutral in all of this.
Rahab111222 3 years ago 2
Yes I agree that science is a tool and that it's neutral. Moreover, I do not dismiss its necessity. It should never have even entered into this debate, but people love to play off "scientific approach" against what they see as wishy-washy New Ageism. Anyone that understands what K has said will see that science is necessary but will also see that science is limited by knowledge (therefore fragmentary) and that to get to the root of fear we need a new approach.
That's all...
okb1313 3 years ago 6
I completely agree, okb1313. Couldn't have said it any better.
Rahab111222 3 years ago 2
scientifically tho, its proven that "there is no difference between the observer and the observed"
dadgadify 2 years ago
what a passionate debate you had. i suppose you have wanted more objective insight to fear and not merely accepting everything k says as undoubtedly true. and in this sense you were trying to establish more of an scientistic view. now- if we would go into it very calmly, would you do it with me? we have a common view on the fact that there are many factors to present situation in the world. Greed being one of them. and that greed comes in a 'package' with fear, as soon as i am greedy, i am also
katioushcka 2 years ago
afraid to loose what i posses, because my very vitality depends on it. when i fall in love i'm instantly afraid of not being liked, or to loose that person, because i have stated my well being on the fact that i have somebody to depend on. ect ect. so, instead of facing the fact of fear- which has maybe even contributed to my actions of dependences or attachements, or has been maybe even the very reason- i entagle myself even more to the doings of greed or similar. it becomes an endless process
katioushcka 2 years ago
Abstract fear is felt in the area of your stomach and that is fear from thinking about something bad that is not actually happening
and factual fear is felt primarily on the back of your head and neck and is caused by actuall situation that arises at this moment
Martasek75 3 years ago
i feel like fear is a natural human instint for the survival and continuation of human kind
mrcochino281 3 years ago
he's not talking about that kind of fear.
he talks about the kind of fear that is abstract. the fear of what others might think or the fear of not getting a "good job".
I'm German and we have 2 differend words for fear. "Angst" and "Furcht". Angst is the abstract kind of fear and Furcht is the kind of fear when you are in danger. I guess you know the difference in the feelings
hpinc110 3 years ago 2
Mrcochino is absolutely correct. There is no need for an abstract definition of fear. As we evolved "fear", a "side effect" was that it wasn't specific to survival. In other words, the fear response can act like a "reflex" to anything remotely unfamiliar or different. So, sometimes it misapplies to other aspects of our lives.
qigong1001 3 years ago
fear is a human behavior, not a natural human instinct. fear is rooted in ego; natural human instinct, if there's such a thing, is rooted in your beingness which says "yes" to every moment. fear says "no" to every moment and prefers a moment different from this very moment. what you resist persists and thats what fear is
layz0 3 years ago
Layz0, you say fear is not instinctual. Yet we see that animals including ourselves have used this as a survival tool for hundreds of thousands of years. Other animals possibly longer. No one needs to teach the fear response as if it were "human behavior." We already know babies and animals exhibit fear without it being learned. I'm sure you have heard of the "flight or fight" response. IT IS INNATE. It benefits no one to try and make it abstract. This is what drives people neurotic.
qigong1001 3 years ago
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Wow...he's old, from India, speaks slowly and uses big words. We should kiss his feet and thrive on his wisdom!
First, a question...If he was a White man with a Southern accent would anybody have bothered to videotape, upload or pay tribute to his opinions? Supposing he's right...did he say anything important? Did his words enlighten you...or merely feed your smugness?
Now, show your fatuous "psuedo-intellectual" colors and "thumbs-down" the dumb redneck. I don't care. YOU KNOW I'm right HA!
CapnFlix 3 years ago
Thank your for your comment, it is hilarious. It really made my day.
tamedmind 3 years ago
I know...my sense of humor is my only redeeming quality! hehehe
CapnFlix 3 years ago
don't sell yourself short
you may have other redeeming qualities
intelligence is clearly not among them
too bad for you
budlives 3 years ago
Look up Robert Anton Wilson if you like speakers with American accents, he was also old and used big words, but he doesn't talk as slowly so I'm not sure if you'd like him or not.
I'm not sure how relevant how one speaks is, though.
Rahab111222 3 years ago 2
i almost said that... good example
eliteis300 3 years ago
While we're at it, look up Joseph Campbell.
lucidworld 3 years ago
awesome
acoustique69 3 years ago 3
Watch this you! yes you!
silversobe 3 years ago 4