Matthew 23:34, Clearly shows that Jesus would send writers (scribes) who would be rejected and persecuted. Beware of anyone who rejects the ministry of the Christian writer.
Moses went to heaven, but he didn't get into the promised land because he disobeyed God about speaking to the rock. At least let Todd wash toilets in humility for a few years and let someone else who has not fallen stand and declare the word of the Lord. If Todd can take the humble lesson, perhaps years later he can start teaching Sunday school.
Who is to say these leaders shouldn't be spoken out against, when people have gone to them or have tried to contact them, to ask them to stop "deceiving" their flocks and others by sticking to what "the bible says"?? The true Gospel is being watered down in ways most secular folks wouldn't care about, but those who say they know and love the Lord should be most concerned about. Too many are 'preaching'(??) false gospels which hide God's truths, so should we keep letting this go on or speak out??
Believe me, watch the video MINISTERS OF SATAN so you don't get the REAL baptism of fire that John the baptist was actully talking about--because it's really,really hot down here!!!
Offices in the church should come by recognition in the body and from the body. We all hear the voice of God and that recognition is recognized by the body of Christ. All should be done in love.
@JaneDoe123ification Scripture says God would call a people his people who are not his people. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and he would gather other sheep who were not of this sheep pen Gentiles were grafted into the olive Tree. God is not done with the Jews. Read Romans 11. The Jews will always be his chosen people according to prophecy. Read romans 11.
Matthew 7:15-20 says that this is the way we are to judge Prophets. If you are going to be in ministry and put yourself in front of everyone all over the world. You better be ready to back up and have answers. I am looking at the fruit of this tree and say I don't want to eat it sorry.
Joyner is long winded.How long does it actually take to get to the point.He doesn't like to acept the truth that Bentley is a fraud.The way his head spins around on his shoulders it's like watching the exorcist.That new head spinning like that is not holy.
All these faith healer types are jokes. I've volunteered at children's hospitals where I've seen little kids die horrific deaths even though they've had 24-7 prayer vigils by parents and people praying "in faith". Even saw some who were associated with MorningStar and Fresh-Fire ministries. IT IS A JOKE! If you need more than the assurance of your sins being forgiven and the hope of heaven, you might as well move out of Christianity.
The problem is not the attempted restoration of Todd Bentley. The problem is the conflict of interest here: Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, etc. were the same ones who were on global TV blessing Todd. Now being involved with Todd's "restoration" has a very bad appearance, like they are trying to cover up their TERRIBLE lack of discernment. Why is it a nobody like me and many other "nobodies" could see Lakeland was a sham and the "apostles" could not? Who married TB to his new wife?!!
These false teachers are judgment on people who draw these ungodly men to themselves.God has ordained these false teachers to be doing exactly what they do from before time,to come at this time.They're being reprobated until the time of the end,when Jesus will say I NEVER KNEW YOU,YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY.
When it all comes down to it, it is all about the money trail, fame and control. These are hard temptations that once you reach the top are hard to let go of.
Rick you didn't even discern that Todd Bentley was playing you, while he was still seeing the intern, and not divorced. When Todd was saying publicly he had submitted to you.
Rick, ;you had the spirit of Eli in which you would not refrain your spiritual sons. Eli's authority was taken away and so was his whole line.
The authority that God gave you as a father, you were not an apostle, you have never fulfilled that apostolic office. But God has taken your spiritual authority away too. You are in trouble, you need to go to God and really humble yourself not false humility. So, that perhaps He will forgive you.
Pride Rick, is all of our potential enemy, and it has gripped you. Lee is has authority by the Holy Spirit. It is not you Rick that gives the authority. And you are not a true apostle.
There has been no true apostles or prophets yet. There is potential for that calling but it is like a seed. That seed has not birthed yet in the western world. Because no one has wanted to pay the price yet. Many are called but few are chosen. Rick you have picked up pride!!!!!!
joyner should do what c pter wagner, eileen fisher & others WISELY did, which was to RENOUNCE & RECANT any and all association and affiliation with todd bentley. dutch sheets, barbara wentroble, bishop brian keith williams & others WARNED the body of Christ that todd bentley was A FRAUD, A FALSE PROPHET AND A CLOUD WITHOUT WATER. rick joyner would do well to cut off todd bentley without remedy until bentley shows TRUE contrition and penitence
This guy does not know what he is talking about..i can see why he is criticized by many..he just has no handle on God's word. What does self righteous mean anyways? So because Grady makes a plea for morality in the church he is self righteous? I guess the Apostle Paul was self righteous when he said do not keep company with a sexually immoral person that is named a brother. No wonder the church is not making an impact these days
Lee Grady was right Joyner was wrong-- Joyner should get over it. Todd Bentley was wrong in every way, we have come to cheapen the Grace of God and use it as an excuse to live any way we want, and we place gifts over character. There is absolutely no excuse for divorcing your wife for an intern and then have the audacity to marry her and run around in ministry with her. Restoration is far more in depth than public apologies and sitting with some guy and talking about your problems
Rick Joyner is the blind leading the blind. He put False prophet and child abuser, Todd Bentley back into ministry just months after Todd ditched his wife and married his intern. Thank God the bulk of the comments here agree that Rick is in error and 100% wrong to put Todd back into ministry,
How is it possible to totally avoid all the key issues in a matter that is so crystal clear? How can a man of God take ten minutes to say absolutely nothing that is worthwhile listening to?
ths is so true. most comments made on here are not even taken into sincere consideration, nor either studied upon. Life has taken most people astray with the blindfolds nvr attemping to be removed. once one can see, then one can help direct into salvation. peace b with u
Jesus Backed up the Old testiment and came to follow, as we are.... The WIDE road here that leads to a life of vanity is funny. You folks that comment on this take no heed to John 14:12, nor 1st Corinthians 14:1, neither=1st Cor 12... I see many people being led by people here. focus fools!
negative. when I call some one a deceiver it is because they have wandered away from or have deliberately chose to reject the binding authority of the Holy Scriptures and have invented their own false authority. If a man adheres to scripture then he is a brother in Christ. Scripture is the litmus test of what is truth and error, not as you suppose, demons.
Aside from that what do demons sound like? do u spend time talking with them??
Self praise is no reccomendation. Let God declare who is his man when the time comes. As to affirming the heretic Joyner your discernment is almost zero and your submission to scripture non existant for Joyner is in opposition to the scripture in most areas of his ministry. By the way the Holy Ghost whom many use as a reson to not adhere to scripture is the One who inspired the Word in the first place.
the answer is very simple. None of the people on the stage who commissioned Todd bentley are biblical followers of Christ and therfore do not possess the Holy Spirit. They are all blind leading the blind and all of them, unless they repent, will fall into the pit. Joyner is a master deceiver and has lead the body of Christ into heresy for over 20 years now.
Haziz, so basically, Morningstar has become like a cult? I once applied to go to their college, but they responded in a really... unChristian way. Needless to say, they didn't accept me into their Morningstar University. Though I was very disappointed, what seemed to be elitsim among them honestly scared me. Where are the real Christian leaders.
valleyAnt let me put it this way there is only one true LORD JESUS. That is the Jesus found in the pages of Holy Scripture. If any one tries to pass you a Jesus that in anyway contradicts or disagrees with the jesus of scripture then what you end up with is a false christ. A jesus who cannot save for it is a different spirit than the person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thats why these false teachers get angry when men stick to scripture, because they cant bamboozle us.
I can see that the charismatic and prophetic extremes of Christianity are overtaken by posers and pretenders, not ministers with integrity. It's too bad that so many would rather feel special than actually care for souls. One of the saddest things is the level of devotion from the followers of false leaders when the leaders couldn't care less about any one of them. Unfortunately, at the moment, prestige and fame seem to have greater sway on nationally-known Christian leaders than God does.
You Mr. Joyner are a serious threat to the well being to the Body of Christ. You and your fellow NAR reporbates are beyond deluded...and even after all the facts about Bentley and your character....you today are still lying and proppping upa false prophet. Why?? Because you are a false leader and teacher.
As to sinless/ being worthy, all true christians are perfect in the blood of Jesus. ( read Hebrews 10:14) as to ordained , I already give you the scripture from Peter that teaches that all Christians are God's priesthood. As to being filled with the Holy Spirit , all christians are indwelled and possesed by the Holy Spirit for he is the seal of our salvation. By the way anyone who breaks the scripture disobeys the Holy Spirit for he was the one who gave us scripture. (2 Peter 1:21)
I used to attend a charismatic church in Atlanta and experienced things that seemed right at the time but proved demonic and false. What is the Kundalini, and do you think that people like Joyner are aware they are deceiving people. If so, why are they deceiving people.
haziz is correct above, joyner is a member of the kinghts of malta as are some of his other side kicks. This organisation that is loyal to the papacy helped many nazis escape after ww2 and set up shop in south America yet joyer tries to tell the church that they are a noble christian group. The man is a deliberate deceiver who knows full well what is is doing who he is serving and how far along in their dastardly plan he and his handlers really are. Avoid him.
Thanks for the video. It appears to me that Joyner made a compelling case for why a journalist (or posters on a video website) are not authorized by God to correct and rebuke leaders of local churches. They are accountable to those elders whom God has established in the church.
I have no idea of your religious background but in the protestant faith of which both men ( grady and Joyner) claim to adhere, we believe in the priesthood of all believers. That means if a man is a real Christian he is licenced and responsible beofre God to speak on God's behalf to instruct in righteousness and if necessary to expose and rebuke sin. Grady did what was honorable and righteous , Joyner by his response did what was incorrect and sinful. Sola scriptura friend, SOLA SCRIPTURA!
Actually the charismatic church is a wing of protestantism. ( how be it a weak one)
As to the scripture:
1Pet. 2:9-10 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
And again for all believers speaking on behalf of God. 2Tim. 4:2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Timothy was filled with the Holy Spirit are you? He was an ordained leader,are you?Are you 100% sinless?
Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye & pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?How can you say to your brother,'Let me take the speck out of your eye,'when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?You hypocrite,first take the plank out of your own eye & then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
with such a perverse hermenutic no scripture would apply to any christian today for the last of it was written 1900 years ago and the other 39 books in the 1400 years before that. I can see that you are corrupted and have become a tool in approving evil in Christ's church. Romans 16 :11 tells me to mark you and avoid you. You have shown no fear in perverting the scripture to suggest it does not apply to christians today. You ignore Peters quote demonstrating your hypocrisy.
It does apply to chirstians today, but there's no point in pointing other people's faults when you have your own faults. Infact, judge him, rebuke himand whatever else you want to do to the brother. The moment someone who doesn't know me and says I am a tool for evil I have no common ground with them. Do whatever you see fit
Thats the point of judging him in the hopes that other will not fall into the judged persons evil and for the weak to be warned of the false teaching/ practice of those who would claim to be leaders in Christ's church. the clear teaching of scripture is that christians ought to judge all the time but not to judge in a wrong manner. Peter, Paul, Jude, Luke and even Jesus all judged in scripture. Christians should follow in their footsteps.
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words."
Wow, thanks for the video! Rick Joyner really made a compelling case for why a journalist is not authorized by God to do the work of correcting or discipline which He has ordained elders in His body do.
"Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time."
God WILL refine and purify those who stumble and sin, lets not attack Todd Bentley when he's down, God still loves him and we all know that. Don't allow yourself to be like a pharisee and point fingers because he may make heaven whilst you won't because salvation is not by works but faith
As to knocking Todd bentley while down... Since when did he become the victim? He was the one who lied to the church, lied to his wife, had an adulterous affair, ran off from his family to marry the adultress and with no repentance what soever is starting to get back into his deceitful ministry. Joyner is the wicked man who refuses to use biblical church discipline in his restoration and affirm this wicked false brother. For crying out loud, Shawna, his wife and his kids are the victims!
FDotAzz has a point. Gal. 6 tells us to gently restore (or atleast 'wish well') those who are 'taken in any sin'. Though Joyner and the rest may be flat out wrong, we would be wise to note it AND 'keep living right' so that we don't fall at the end when we thought we were really saved (Gal. 6:1-2). Anak, Isa. 8:20 is one of a million 'plumblines' in the Bible: 'If they don't line up with God's Word, it's because they aren't representing God.' Sometimes, it's so simple that we miss it.
This man is a hypocrite, read the letter that he sent to Lee Grady in response to lee's column 'greasy grace' Joyner is arrogant and threatens to go public in denouncing Lee which is what joyner is complaining about Lee doing. The man is a deceiver, a destroyer of the church.
In a nut shell Grady, stands for a biblical standard of church discipline ( this is correct) joyner suggests Grady has no authority to demand such criteria but that he as an apostle can bypass scripture and invent his own!
Rick Joyner is talking about Lee Grady and not wanting him to be a stumbling block, but Rick! You are standing up for for the biggest stumbling block ever from last year! You are a stumbling block that lee grady is trying to warn people that need to beware. You stand up for a man for is totally false. You and todd bentley need Jesus. Get SAVED!
уеаh, anytime someone is making you looking for 5th corner in the room, you try to call for outsiders to see "what athority" we got. Bible, is it not enough? where it written in Bible that I can't go to apostle and ask a question in public?
Wow...10 minutes of almost nothing that resembles someone who claims to be an apostle or prophet...he is nothing more than a deceiver, an apostate, and a hireling. We aren;t accusing you or Bentley...you are being exposed Joyner.
Most Xians are going to react to this with their bible knowledge and not their spirit
If we preach God is a spirit, then where is our spirit awareness, our spirit witness, spirit anything, how about even a demon manifestation, anything???????
RJ is angry with Lee Grady because he knows that the dominionist theology of lakeland, TB, Bill Johnson and RJ is false. He knows commanding healing and all tha garbage is heretical. If it ain't in the Word And if it can be refuted by the Word then you know it's black and white. There is NO GREY AREA. RJ is a false teacher.
Hey wait a minute.I thought Lee Grady was an apostle.During this restoration process are we going to hear about the lies that Todd was telling from the stage .The story of how 1000 people people were going to get A hundred times what they gave
I think it's interesting how whenever someone has a biblical criticism of some kind of sinful behavior the "manner" in which it is handled is called into question, as if that invalidates the critique. This happened to me at a church when my wife was being lied about and slandered in church. The fact that I was upset about the situation invalidated my argument. Oh, and the liars and slanderers were super spiritual charismatics!
People have Bibles, if not they can get one at the library. If this end up in hell following these SOBs from the Peter Wagner cults, it is their own fault.
is not todd bentley the biggest stumbling block of all.what hypocricy this pathetic little man rick joyner displays. as to authority, at times even the world has greater wisdom than the church, especially the corrupt church of bentley and the fake revival. shame, shame, shame!!!
if todd can be restored to his ministry why can he not be restored to his first wife? doers god not restore marriages to does todd not want to be restored to shonna the wife of his children?
OMG !!! I left a NAR church/ church plant of Bill Johnson. And while they were speaking in tongues they would always say Belial. Something inside me just thought "they are invoking something else !! no one's interpreting!! no one's interpreting !!"
Now to the married i give this command (Not i but the Lord) A wife (or husband )must not seperate.But if they do they must remain unmarried or else be reconciled.
It does not say that it's ok to marry the one you committed adultary with and left your partner for.
If Todd wants to leave his wife he should have remained single or looked for a reconciliation
These are Gods words not mine.
This is not repentence but just a cover up for sin.
So lets see he spins off a hateful email and thats Lee Gradys fault. According to the righteous, holy Apostle Rick no journalist has a right to speak out about "these issues". He says he is concerned for Grady spiritually and his self-righteousness with Rick's own self-righteous attitude. WHO made Joyner the judge?? Joyner is the biggest hypocrite out there!! Come on Rick you got caught with your pants down and now your attacking back!! Tell the truth IF you can!!
Pope Rick strikes again! Not only can't you touch the Lords annointed, but it is now a sin to even call for Biblical values in a Non-selrighteous way. Pope Rick says thet Lee has fallen. What next, will Pope Rick excommunicate this man for talking good sense. It makes me vomit
Rick is "very concerned for Lee Grady" but not for Todd the Fraud (with all his lies, mockery, false teachings, false prophesies, and demonic impartations)?!
I'm baffled why he thinks that J. Lee Grady is an illegitimate authority because he's "just" a journalist. Actually Grady is also an author and an ordained minister.
This whole thing is an absolute circus, and there's apparently much more to come. Keep digging your hole deeper, Mr. Joyner.
I bought all of Rick Joyner's books and then he stood with todd bentley??? So i threw all his crap in the BIN, TRASH!! False prophet.
esther19741974 3 weeks ago
@esther19741974 Ha ha cool!!!
allopez13 2 weeks ago
Matthew 23:34, Clearly shows that Jesus would send writers (scribes) who would be rejected and persecuted. Beware of anyone who rejects the ministry of the Christian writer.
ConnectionMagazine 3 weeks ago
Beware of hypocrites and false teachers.
ConnectionMagazine 3 weeks ago
I loved his book, even purchased copies for some men who also enjoyed the book. When can we expect a second edition?
cherylwoodcock1 1 month ago
Rick Joyner is just embarrassed that Todd Bentley was found out. Lee Grady did the right thing.
EcstaticGypsy 2 months ago 2
Moses went to heaven, but he didn't get into the promised land because he disobeyed God about speaking to the rock. At least let Todd wash toilets in humility for a few years and let someone else who has not fallen stand and declare the word of the Lord. If Todd can take the humble lesson, perhaps years later he can start teaching Sunday school.
777passionate 2 months ago
Who is to say these leaders shouldn't be spoken out against, when people have gone to them or have tried to contact them, to ask them to stop "deceiving" their flocks and others by sticking to what "the bible says"?? The true Gospel is being watered down in ways most secular folks wouldn't care about, but those who say they know and love the Lord should be most concerned about. Too many are 'preaching'(??) false gospels which hide God's truths, so should we keep letting this go on or speak out??
jebeja 3 months ago
Watch on youtube MINISTERS OF SATAN
PENTECOSTALSinHELL
Believe me, watch the video MINISTERS OF SATAN so you don't get the REAL baptism of fire that John the baptist was actully talking about--because it's really,really hot down here!!!
Helpforheretics 5 months ago
When I live before the Lord with works of faith Like Rick,then I`d be doing good. I can only look up to Him in The faith.
scott1234ist 5 months ago
This is a joke. Lee was right to publish the article period. It seems to be one rule for them and another rule for us.
Thinker231 8 months ago
Offices in the church should come by recognition in the body and from the body. We all hear the voice of God and that recognition is recognized by the body of Christ. All should be done in love.
frnz444 10 months ago
@JaneDoe123ification Scripture says God would call a people his people who are not his people. Jesus said he came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel and he would gather other sheep who were not of this sheep pen Gentiles were grafted into the olive Tree. God is not done with the Jews. Read Romans 11. The Jews will always be his chosen people according to prophecy. Read romans 11.
godapproved 11 months ago
Joyner has a very large following of people who will join him in hell! Joyner has been leading people astry for years. Evidence the comments here!
AA1IK 1 year ago
Gone beyond God's grace...?
edantila 1 year ago
Matthew 7:15-20 says that this is the way we are to judge Prophets. If you are going to be in ministry and put yourself in front of everyone all over the world. You better be ready to back up and have answers. I am looking at the fruit of this tree and say I don't want to eat it sorry.
jgun33 1 year ago
Joyner is long winded.How long does it actually take to get to the point.He doesn't like to acept the truth that Bentley is a fraud.The way his head spins around on his shoulders it's like watching the exorcist.That new head spinning like that is not holy.
hereticseeker 1 year ago
shut up rick u satan whore.
necas00 1 year ago
All these faith healer types are jokes. I've volunteered at children's hospitals where I've seen little kids die horrific deaths even though they've had 24-7 prayer vigils by parents and people praying "in faith". Even saw some who were associated with MorningStar and Fresh-Fire ministries. IT IS A JOKE! If you need more than the assurance of your sins being forgiven and the hope of heaven, you might as well move out of Christianity.
MandolinHymns 1 year ago
The problem is not the attempted restoration of Todd Bentley. The problem is the conflict of interest here: Rick Joyner, Bill Johnson, etc. were the same ones who were on global TV blessing Todd. Now being involved with Todd's "restoration" has a very bad appearance, like they are trying to cover up their TERRIBLE lack of discernment. Why is it a nobody like me and many other "nobodies" could see Lakeland was a sham and the "apostles" could not? Who married TB to his new wife?!!
fellovr 1 year ago
These false teachers are judgment on people who draw these ungodly men to themselves.God has ordained these false teachers to be doing exactly what they do from before time,to come at this time.They're being reprobated until the time of the end,when Jesus will say I NEVER KNEW YOU,YOU WHO WORK INIQUITY.
CBALLEN 1 year ago
When it all comes down to it, it is all about the money trail, fame and control. These are hard temptations that once you reach the top are hard to let go of.
DarkrDrmr 1 year ago
He made the email public. "Oops."
TVWriterGuy 1 year ago
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PeterLaman 1 year ago
Rick you didn't even discern that Todd Bentley was playing you, while he was still seeing the intern, and not divorced. When Todd was saying publicly he had submitted to you.
Teereeme 1 year ago
Rick, ;you had the spirit of Eli in which you would not refrain your spiritual sons. Eli's authority was taken away and so was his whole line.
The authority that God gave you as a father, you were not an apostle, you have never fulfilled that apostolic office. But God has taken your spiritual authority away too. You are in trouble, you need to go to God and really humble yourself not false humility. So, that perhaps He will forgive you.
Teereeme 1 year ago
Pride Rick, is all of our potential enemy, and it has gripped you. Lee is has authority by the Holy Spirit. It is not you Rick that gives the authority. And you are not a true apostle.
There has been no true apostles or prophets yet. There is potential for that calling but it is like a seed. That seed has not birthed yet in the western world. Because no one has wanted to pay the price yet. Many are called but few are chosen. Rick you have picked up pride!!!!!!
Teereeme 1 year ago
joyner should do what c pter wagner, eileen fisher & others WISELY did, which was to RENOUNCE & RECANT any and all association and affiliation with todd bentley. dutch sheets, barbara wentroble, bishop brian keith williams & others WARNED the body of Christ that todd bentley was A FRAUD, A FALSE PROPHET AND A CLOUD WITHOUT WATER. rick joyner would do well to cut off todd bentley without remedy until bentley shows TRUE contrition and penitence
dxsmackdown8 1 year ago
The movement is growing ...TAX THESE PEOPLE....TAX THE CHURCH...THESE PEOPLE ARE OUT OF CONTROL AND COMPLICATED...TAX THEM.
Aslanspal 1 year ago
This guy does not know what he is talking about..i can see why he is criticized by many..he just has no handle on God's word. What does self righteous mean anyways? So because Grady makes a plea for morality in the church he is self righteous? I guess the Apostle Paul was self righteous when he said do not keep company with a sexually immoral person that is named a brother. No wonder the church is not making an impact these days
jamel11234 1 year ago
Lee Grady was right Joyner was wrong-- Joyner should get over it. Todd Bentley was wrong in every way, we have come to cheapen the Grace of God and use it as an excuse to live any way we want, and we place gifts over character. There is absolutely no excuse for divorcing your wife for an intern and then have the audacity to marry her and run around in ministry with her. Restoration is far more in depth than public apologies and sitting with some guy and talking about your problems
jamel11234 1 year ago
Rick Joyner is the blind leading the blind. He put False prophet and child abuser, Todd Bentley back into ministry just months after Todd ditched his wife and married his intern. Thank God the bulk of the comments here agree that Rick is in error and 100% wrong to put Todd back into ministry,
SalesLeadSecrets 1 year ago
How is it possible to totally avoid all the key issues in a matter that is so crystal clear? How can a man of God take ten minutes to say absolutely nothing that is worthwhile listening to?
SteinG21 1 year ago
both are heretics
jaykarroll 2 years ago
false prophets, rick and todd
follow the word of God.
Todd needs saved first,
weeweelegs 2 years ago
ths is so true. most comments made on here are not even taken into sincere consideration, nor either studied upon. Life has taken most people astray with the blindfolds nvr attemping to be removed. once one can see, then one can help direct into salvation. peace b with u
RevJae 2 years ago
sorry: DONT BECOME A FOOL!!!! JUST WAKE UP!!
RevJae 2 years ago
Jesus Backed up the Old testiment and came to follow, as we are.... The WIDE road here that leads to a life of vanity is funny. You folks that comment on this take no heed to John 14:12, nor 1st Corinthians 14:1, neither=1st Cor 12... I see many people being led by people here. focus fools!
RevJae 2 years ago
The Statistics Back this up? JUST AS THE ROAD IS NARROW THAT LEADS to the righteous kingdom of God
RevJae 2 years ago
negative. when I call some one a deceiver it is because they have wandered away from or have deliberately chose to reject the binding authority of the Holy Scriptures and have invented their own false authority. If a man adheres to scripture then he is a brother in Christ. Scripture is the litmus test of what is truth and error, not as you suppose, demons.
Aside from that what do demons sound like? do u spend time talking with them??
IF so you have other issues that need addressing.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
google the kundalini spirit, it would take forever to explain it.
haziz 2 years ago
Self praise is no reccomendation. Let God declare who is his man when the time comes. As to affirming the heretic Joyner your discernment is almost zero and your submission to scripture non existant for Joyner is in opposition to the scripture in most areas of his ministry. By the way the Holy Ghost whom many use as a reson to not adhere to scripture is the One who inspired the Word in the first place.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
1st Corinthians 12
RevJae 2 years ago
the answer is very simple. None of the people on the stage who commissioned Todd bentley are biblical followers of Christ and therfore do not possess the Holy Spirit. They are all blind leading the blind and all of them, unless they repent, will fall into the pit. Joyner is a master deceiver and has lead the body of Christ into heresy for over 20 years now.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
man,
the charismatic movement is in the pockects of the sovereign military order of malta.
I do not work for charisma, but ask rick joyner, paul cain and bobby conner if they are members.
go with a camera and stand outside morning star or any other large charismatic church and see what happens.
haziz 2 years ago 2
Haziz, so basically, Morningstar has become like a cult? I once applied to go to their college, but they responded in a really... unChristian way. Needless to say, they didn't accept me into their Morningstar University. Though I was very disappointed, what seemed to be elitsim among them honestly scared me. Where are the real Christian leaders.
VallleyAnt 2 years ago
valleyAnt let me put it this way there is only one true LORD JESUS. That is the Jesus found in the pages of Holy Scripture. If any one tries to pass you a Jesus that in anyway contradicts or disagrees with the jesus of scripture then what you end up with is a false christ. A jesus who cannot save for it is a different spirit than the person of our Lord Jesus Christ. Thats why these false teachers get angry when men stick to scripture, because they cant bamboozle us.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
I can see that the charismatic and prophetic extremes of Christianity are overtaken by posers and pretenders, not ministers with integrity. It's too bad that so many would rather feel special than actually care for souls. One of the saddest things is the level of devotion from the followers of false leaders when the leaders couldn't care less about any one of them. Unfortunately, at the moment, prestige and fame seem to have greater sway on nationally-known Christian leaders than God does.
VallleyAnt 2 years ago
I do not recall rick joyner denying his memebership of the knights of malta. Has Bob Jones, Booby Conner and Paul Cain ever denied their membership?
no I do not work for charisma magazine, I know all about the kundalini business,
haziz 2 years ago
You Mr. Joyner are a serious threat to the well being to the Body of Christ. You and your fellow NAR reporbates are beyond deluded...and even after all the facts about Bentley and your character....you today are still lying and proppping upa false prophet. Why?? Because you are a false leader and teacher.
colderbythelake 2 years ago
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thegodsbelovedchild 2 years ago
Dont let the voice of hell disrupt the boldness you display for Gods purposes! Continue your role! Cant wait to come back and check out the real!
RevJae 2 years ago
Rick Joyner you have not explained why you are a member of the Knights of Malta. How can minister be a member of a secret society.
Look man you guys are wanting to mind control everybody.
I have asked question to leaders of charisma before I resigned, but had no answers.
haziz 2 years ago
Hello, Haziz. Did you work for Charisma magazine? Is Joyner really a member of a secret society?
VallleyAnt 2 years ago
no,
google ilt the sovereign knights of malta, rick has never denied his membaership of the S.M.O.M.
Look the "holy spirit" of the charismatic movement is the Kundalini.
go to morming star ( sella matutina) and ask question with a video and see how long you will last.
the charismatic movement is totally corrupt.
haziz 2 years ago
As to sinless/ being worthy, all true christians are perfect in the blood of Jesus. ( read Hebrews 10:14) as to ordained , I already give you the scripture from Peter that teaches that all Christians are God's priesthood. As to being filled with the Holy Spirit , all christians are indwelled and possesed by the Holy Spirit for he is the seal of our salvation. By the way anyone who breaks the scripture disobeys the Holy Spirit for he was the one who gave us scripture. (2 Peter 1:21)
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
I used to attend a charismatic church in Atlanta and experienced things that seemed right at the time but proved demonic and false. What is the Kundalini, and do you think that people like Joyner are aware they are deceiving people. If so, why are they deceiving people.
VallleyAnt 2 years ago
haziz is correct above, joyner is a member of the kinghts of malta as are some of his other side kicks. This organisation that is loyal to the papacy helped many nazis escape after ww2 and set up shop in south America yet joyer tries to tell the church that they are a noble christian group. The man is a deliberate deceiver who knows full well what is is doing who he is serving and how far along in their dastardly plan he and his handlers really are. Avoid him.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Thanks for the video. It appears to me that Joyner made a compelling case for why a journalist (or posters on a video website) are not authorized by God to correct and rebuke leaders of local churches. They are accountable to those elders whom God has established in the church.
DWCox 2 years ago 2
I have no idea of your religious background but in the protestant faith of which both men ( grady and Joyner) claim to adhere, we believe in the priesthood of all believers. That means if a man is a real Christian he is licenced and responsible beofre God to speak on God's behalf to instruct in righteousness and if necessary to expose and rebuke sin. Grady did what was honorable and righteous , Joyner by his response did what was incorrect and sinful. Sola scriptura friend, SOLA SCRIPTURA!
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Joyner is not a protestant, go to Mornigstar ministries & read the Statement of Faith.You believe that all believers can speak on behalf of God?
Please show me which scriptures in the bible agree with that notion.
How can we speak on God's behalf when he clearly said in Isaiah 55:8
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD.
"As the heavens are higher than the earth,so are my ways higher than your ways & my thoughts than your thoughts"
FDotAzz 2 years ago
Actually the charismatic church is a wing of protestantism. ( how be it a weak one)
As to the scripture:
1Pet. 2:9-10 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light. Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
He is not part of the charismatic church, read the Statement of Faith at the Mornigstar Ministries website
FDotAzz 2 years ago
And again for all believers speaking on behalf of God. 2Tim. 4:2-4 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
Sunds like a word for Rick and Todd.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Timothy was filled with the Holy Spirit are you? He was an ordained leader,are you?Are you 100% sinless?
Matthew 7:3
"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye & pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?How can you say to your brother,'Let me take the speck out of your eye,'when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?You hypocrite,first take the plank out of your own eye & then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye."
FDotAzz 2 years ago
with such a perverse hermenutic no scripture would apply to any christian today for the last of it was written 1900 years ago and the other 39 books in the 1400 years before that. I can see that you are corrupted and have become a tool in approving evil in Christ's church. Romans 16 :11 tells me to mark you and avoid you. You have shown no fear in perverting the scripture to suggest it does not apply to christians today. You ignore Peters quote demonstrating your hypocrisy.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
It does apply to chirstians today, but there's no point in pointing other people's faults when you have your own faults. Infact, judge him, rebuke himand whatever else you want to do to the brother. The moment someone who doesn't know me and says I am a tool for evil I have no common ground with them. Do whatever you see fit
FDotAzz 2 years ago
Thats the point of judging him in the hopes that other will not fall into the judged persons evil and for the weak to be warned of the false teaching/ practice of those who would claim to be leaders in Christ's church. the clear teaching of scripture is that christians ought to judge all the time but not to judge in a wrong manner. Peter, Paul, Jude, Luke and even Jesus all judged in scripture. Christians should follow in their footsteps.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Are you filled with the Holy Spirit?
1 corinthians 2:10
For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words."
FDotAzz 2 years ago
As to your weak argument of me not being Timothy therefore it does not apply to me, Paul the apostle goes on to say to Timothy
1Tim.4:11 These things command and teach.
It is therefore biblically correct for all true christians to speak on God's behalf.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Wow, thanks for the video! Rick Joyner really made a compelling case for why a journalist is not authorized by God to do the work of correcting or discipline which He has ordained elders in His body do.
DWCox 2 years ago 2
Here is a scripture for Mr.Joyner and his supporters to ponder:
Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
that is out of context.
Daniel 11:32
"Some of the wise will stumble, so that they may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time."
God WILL refine and purify those who stumble and sin, lets not attack Todd Bentley when he's down, God still loves him and we all know that. Don't allow yourself to be like a pharisee and point fingers because he may make heaven whilst you won't because salvation is not by works but faith
FDotAzz 2 years ago
As to knocking Todd bentley while down... Since when did he become the victim? He was the one who lied to the church, lied to his wife, had an adulterous affair, ran off from his family to marry the adultress and with no repentance what soever is starting to get back into his deceitful ministry. Joyner is the wicked man who refuses to use biblical church discipline in his restoration and affirm this wicked false brother. For crying out loud, Shawna, his wife and his kids are the victims!
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
FDotAzz has a point. Gal. 6 tells us to gently restore (or atleast 'wish well') those who are 'taken in any sin'. Though Joyner and the rest may be flat out wrong, we would be wise to note it AND 'keep living right' so that we don't fall at the end when we thought we were really saved (Gal. 6:1-2). Anak, Isa. 8:20 is one of a million 'plumblines' in the Bible: 'If they don't line up with God's Word, it's because they aren't representing God.' Sometimes, it's so simple that we miss it.
VallleyAnt 2 years ago
This man is a hypocrite, read the letter that he sent to Lee Grady in response to lee's column 'greasy grace' Joyner is arrogant and threatens to go public in denouncing Lee which is what joyner is complaining about Lee doing. The man is a deceiver, a destroyer of the church.
In a nut shell Grady, stands for a biblical standard of church discipline ( this is correct) joyner suggests Grady has no authority to demand such criteria but that he as an apostle can bypass scripture and invent his own!
Anaksbane2 2 years ago
Rick J. is a false prophet! Wake up, repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ your savior. Rick, you've been exposed.....
SOAMC33 2 years ago
Rick Joyner is talking about Lee Grady and not wanting him to be a stumbling block, but Rick! You are standing up for for the biggest stumbling block ever from last year! You are a stumbling block that lee grady is trying to warn people that need to beware. You stand up for a man for is totally false. You and todd bentley need Jesus. Get SAVED!
ragenfire 2 years ago
POT CALLING THE KETTLE BLACK!
anthfantastic 2 years ago
Jesus disputes rick you are supposed to be ministering to the lords not getting into arguments and controversy with others.
That is a sign of weakness
anthfantastic 2 years ago
Mr. Joyner and Mr. LEE Grady.....So when do we get to hear about Jesus Christ???
jesussbravesoul 2 years ago
todd was preaching in public or private? streaching his hands in public or private?
telling about "31 dead risen" in public or in private? collecting money in public or private?
WHY DO YOU AFRAID TO DEAL AND BE OPEN FOR CONVERSATION? BECAUSE YOU ARE AFRAID OF LIGHT.
montanelly5 2 years ago
уеаh, anytime someone is making you looking for 5th corner in the room, you try to call for outsiders to see "what athority" we got. Bible, is it not enough? where it written in Bible that I can't go to apostle and ask a question in public?
Todd was sining in public or in privat?
montanelly5 2 years ago
Wow...10 minutes of almost nothing that resembles someone who claims to be an apostle or prophet...he is nothing more than a deceiver, an apostate, and a hireling. We aren;t accusing you or Bentley...you are being exposed Joyner.
colderbythelake 2 years ago
This all flesh, no spirit, no witness here.
Most Xians are going to react to this with their bible knowledge and not their spirit
If we preach God is a spirit, then where is our spirit awareness, our spirit witness, spirit anything, how about even a demon manifestation, anything???????
parousia555 2 years ago
WOW WHAT A VICIOUS ATTACK!!! give me a break,
theJshowman 2 years ago
RJ is angry with Lee Grady because he knows that the dominionist theology of lakeland, TB, Bill Johnson and RJ is false. He knows commanding healing and all tha garbage is heretical. If it ain't in the Word And if it can be refuted by the Word then you know it's black and white. There is NO GREY AREA. RJ is a false teacher.
369DuneBunny 2 years ago
Wow.
Same old, same old, same old.
And sad as sad can be.
To refuse to be controlled (by religious leaders) is not rebellion (against YHVH).
HadasahB 2 years ago
Hey wait a minute.I thought Lee Grady was an apostle.During this restoration process are we going to hear about the lies that Todd was telling from the stage .The story of how 1000 people people were going to get A hundred times what they gave
564bay 2 years ago
I think it's interesting how whenever someone has a biblical criticism of some kind of sinful behavior the "manner" in which it is handled is called into question, as if that invalidates the critique. This happened to me at a church when my wife was being lied about and slandered in church. The fact that I was upset about the situation invalidated my argument. Oh, and the liars and slanderers were super spiritual charismatics!
strumalongwithme 2 years ago
People have Bibles, if not they can get one at the library. If this end up in hell following these SOBs from the Peter Wagner cults, it is their own fault.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 2 years ago
is not todd bentley the biggest stumbling block of all.what hypocricy this pathetic little man rick joyner displays. as to authority, at times even the world has greater wisdom than the church, especially the corrupt church of bentley and the fake revival. shame, shame, shame!!!
revholland1 2 years ago
if todd can be restored to his ministry why can he not be restored to his first wife? doers god not restore marriages to does todd not want to be restored to shonna the wife of his children?
steve4000 2 years ago
Hell isgong to be hot of these SOBs, Sons of Satan.
BARNUMandBENTLEY 2 years ago
SOB, "Sons of Belial"
There is NOT one solid Bible believer in all of the 500+ "apostles" of Peter Wagner and his multitude of "prophets of perversion."
BARNUMandBENTLEY 2 years ago
OMG !!! I left a NAR church/ church plant of Bill Johnson. And while they were speaking in tongues they would always say Belial. Something inside me just thought "they are invoking something else !! no one's interpreting!! no one's interpreting !!"
369DuneBunny 2 years ago
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What does scripture say concerning this?
1cor 7v10
Now to the married i give this command (Not i but the Lord) A wife (or husband )must not seperate.But if they do they must remain unmarried or else be reconciled.
It does not say that it's ok to marry the one you committed adultary with and left your partner for.
If Todd wants to leave his wife he should have remained single or looked for a reconciliation
These are Gods words not mine.
This is not repentence but just a cover up for sin.
ogiaag5m 2 years ago
So lets see he spins off a hateful email and thats Lee Gradys fault. According to the righteous, holy Apostle Rick no journalist has a right to speak out about "these issues". He says he is concerned for Grady spiritually and his self-righteousness with Rick's own self-righteous attitude. WHO made Joyner the judge?? Joyner is the biggest hypocrite out there!! Come on Rick you got caught with your pants down and now your attacking back!! Tell the truth IF you can!!
alittlegreen 2 years ago
Pope Rick strikes again! Not only can't you touch the Lords annointed, but it is now a sin to even call for Biblical values in a Non-selrighteous way. Pope Rick says thet Lee has fallen. What next, will Pope Rick excommunicate this man for talking good sense. It makes me vomit
GrFuzzy1955 2 years ago 6
Rick is "very concerned for Lee Grady" but not for Todd the Fraud (with all his lies, mockery, false teachings, false prophesies, and demonic impartations)?!
I'm baffled why he thinks that J. Lee Grady is an illegitimate authority because he's "just" a journalist. Actually Grady is also an author and an ordained minister.
This whole thing is an absolute circus, and there's apparently much more to come. Keep digging your hole deeper, Mr. Joyner.
mada77kl 2 years ago 7
Oh my goodness!! Rick is going to tell us how he is the judge of who is a leader and who is not?
MendingWing 2 years ago 2