Look guys - Freud had some ridiculous and unfalsifiable theories. Everyone knows that. However, bear in mind the era he was working in - he didn't have the methods of evaluating his theories that are available to us now. Most of the emerging field of Psychology at that time was conjecture, and little more.
The guy invented the idea of the unconcious, for heaven's sake! That on its own is enough to classify him as a genius in my mind. A frequently mistaken genius.
So, the auditory pathway was in tact but the visual pathway to the amygdala was damaged. But when the patient saw AND heard his mom/dad, he still felt they were imposters, hinting that maybe visual cues supercede auditory input. However, if the reverse were the case, and the auditory pathway was damaged, would the patient still think his mother was replaced or would the visual system still override? I.e, would the patient pay more attention to the lacking connections?
Wouldn't this eventually fix itself through classical conditioning? The person would see his mother, hear her voice, and feel the emotional reaction. Eventually, seeing his mother becomes a second order conditioned stimulus for the emotional reaction. Or does this disorder make that conditioning impossible?
@KingOfMadCows This disorder makes that conditioning impossible - exactly. He doesn't feel the emotional reaction, just sees a woman who looks exactly like his mother but who elicits no feelings of recognition or love.
@mightbewrong1 But they specifically said that hearing the person's voice elicits an emotional reaction. It would just be second order conditioning. The sight would be CS2, the voice would be CS1.
@KingOfMadCows I think you're right! There's no obvious (to me) reason why his emotional reaction to her voice couldnt eventually serve as a conditioned response to the stimulus of his mother's face, if her voice and face are presented together enough times (behaviourist termonology here). However, I'm guessing this hasn't happened, so I wonder why? Perhaps the lack of an emotional reaction to her face counteracts the emotional reaction to her voice? I'm not a behaviourist, so I'm skeptical...
@mightbewrong1 It's classical conditioning, probably the most thoroughly studied and well supported concepts in psychology.
Also, we don't know if it hasn't happened. Conditioning takes time and effort, especially if see the face triggers some kind of aversive response. Based on the video, the person does seem to have a paranoid reaction to seeing his mother's face and that has to be put on extinction before conditioning can begin.
yeah, I don't recognize myself or voices sometimes. It's random. I just have to think about it. I don't care about anybody, but if someone dominant comes around me, my ring figures will burn, and I'll blush. Or now, I just look at my hands slightly. My delusions told me that I wanted to get pregnant. I wanna get fixed.
I wish I could meet this doctor because I got this thing going where I suddenly realize what Im doing or where I am and its kinda like "why am I here" or "why am I doing this" I have all the memories of why but I dont associate with them, its like the memories are someone elses. And this other thing where everything feels fake, or not real, my emotions dont even feel like the real emotion, it feels fake. And everything around me suddenly looks unbearably bright.
Why can't people comment on this without either (a) being facetious or (b) talking a lot of pseudo-intellectual bollocks that actually shows they don't have a clue about the subject?
Saying that you hate Freudian theories is not nearly so great a condemnation as saying that they are untestable, untested, UNSCIENTIFIC theories. That one person states he dislike something strongly is not so strong an argument as to point out that no rational person has good reason to subscribe to such theories.
I think that due to emotional traumas over years, people experience some delusions as well so it is possible that the emotional centers in the brain trigger circuits in the vision to respond properly to those you are linked to become a stranger. Here is the suggested principle of warmth association process.
the psychological/psychiatric aspect of the trauma evoked from the accident should not be overlooked..intimately linked with emotional centers of brain.
Depersonalization/Derealization associated with PTSD?
I did not mention this and they did study the findings and told me with hypnosis that my animus remembered the prompt response when I had the chances to see such things as Family members, or any other relationship you encounter, seemed like a story as if he was an impostor plot. I think that should also be study. The fact that some think the world is just made up sore like a Matrix Movie because of the things that happened over the years I hope you get what I have post
So, what would happen if you had his parents contact him via phone, in order to bypass the "what-pathway" and its emotional disconnections of the amygdala. Then, while he's on the phone with him, have them continue talking as they enter the same room as him, and see if it has a way of resolving the capgras delusion, perhaps, in the same way that phantom limbs are resolved, by bypassing it with a mirror.
@RJPaulson Probably the intellect would be bypassed once again. He would feel as though the "impostor" was simply mouthing or repeating the words on the phone. The gut feeling always wins. (But, I think he knows by now, intellectually, what is the case, even though he doesn't feel that way.)
Look guys - Freud had some ridiculous and unfalsifiable theories. Everyone knows that. However, bear in mind the era he was working in - he didn't have the methods of evaluating his theories that are available to us now. Most of the emerging field of Psychology at that time was conjecture, and little more.
The guy invented the idea of the unconcious, for heaven's sake! That on its own is enough to classify him as a genius in my mind. A frequently mistaken genius.
mightbewrong1 4 months ago
she does look like a vampire
razaus 5 months ago
So, the auditory pathway was in tact but the visual pathway to the amygdala was damaged. But when the patient saw AND heard his mom/dad, he still felt they were imposters, hinting that maybe visual cues supercede auditory input. However, if the reverse were the case, and the auditory pathway was damaged, would the patient still think his mother was replaced or would the visual system still override? I.e, would the patient pay more attention to the lacking connections?
aiyer777 8 months ago
ramachandran says the exact same thing on a ted talk
horbergus 9 months ago
Actually, Freud, you're the only one who fancies their own mum. Nice attempt at making it normal though.
DrAltais 9 months ago 3
This guy is really smart.
TheTrav1985 10 months ago
this problem was due to which of the following brain abnormalities:
Hyperactive connections between Temporal lobe and Amygdala.
Test question kids
VinceGillz 10 months ago
Freud would be quite the guy to talk to.
Zachdudeio2 11 months ago
Wouldn't this eventually fix itself through classical conditioning? The person would see his mother, hear her voice, and feel the emotional reaction. Eventually, seeing his mother becomes a second order conditioned stimulus for the emotional reaction. Or does this disorder make that conditioning impossible?
KingOfMadCows 1 year ago
@KingOfMadCows This disorder makes that conditioning impossible - exactly. He doesn't feel the emotional reaction, just sees a woman who looks exactly like his mother but who elicits no feelings of recognition or love.
mightbewrong1 4 months ago
@mightbewrong1 But they specifically said that hearing the person's voice elicits an emotional reaction. It would just be second order conditioning. The sight would be CS2, the voice would be CS1.
KingOfMadCows 4 months ago
@KingOfMadCows I think you're right! There's no obvious (to me) reason why his emotional reaction to her voice couldnt eventually serve as a conditioned response to the stimulus of his mother's face, if her voice and face are presented together enough times (behaviourist termonology here). However, I'm guessing this hasn't happened, so I wonder why? Perhaps the lack of an emotional reaction to her face counteracts the emotional reaction to her voice? I'm not a behaviourist, so I'm skeptical...
mightbewrong1 4 months ago
@mightbewrong1 It's classical conditioning, probably the most thoroughly studied and well supported concepts in psychology.
Also, we don't know if it hasn't happened. Conditioning takes time and effort, especially if see the face triggers some kind of aversive response. Based on the video, the person does seem to have a paranoid reaction to seeing his mother's face and that has to be put on extinction before conditioning can begin.
KingOfMadCows 4 months ago
wow - milf
ProjectProTV 1 year ago
I don't not care, but I don't have any emotional attachment.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
yeah, I don't recognize myself or voices sometimes. It's random. I just have to think about it. I don't care about anybody, but if someone dominant comes around me, my ring figures will burn, and I'll blush. Or now, I just look at my hands slightly. My delusions told me that I wanted to get pregnant. I wanna get fixed.
returnoftheramble3 1 year ago
Does anyone know why sometimes he recognizes things?
If the connection is cut, wouldn't that mean that he would never recognize his apartment or parents even if he is told what they are?
gemie72 1 year ago
Freud and his fucking ridiculous theories
DolceVita 1 year ago
I wish I could meet this doctor because I got this thing going where I suddenly realize what Im doing or where I am and its kinda like "why am I here" or "why am I doing this" I have all the memories of why but I dont associate with them, its like the memories are someone elses. And this other thing where everything feels fake, or not real, my emotions dont even feel like the real emotion, it feels fake. And everything around me suddenly looks unbearably bright.
Anaprince 1 year ago
@Anaprince that sounds like derealization/depersonalization to me. There's a lot of information on this online if you search.
CWayward 1 year ago
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@Anaprince that sounds like derealization/depersonalization to me. There's a lot of information on this online if you search.
CWayward 1 year ago
Thanks. Sorry for the interruption. Please continue promoting hatefulness. I can see that your way is much better.
SciMethod 2 years ago
Wow, if that was my wife, I would get some gap gras myself.
quathar 2 years ago
@quathar haha bet if she looked like Angelina Jolie he would recognise her lol
DolceVita 1 year ago
Why can't people comment on this without either (a) being facetious or (b) talking a lot of pseudo-intellectual bollocks that actually shows they don't have a clue about the subject?
RussMoxham 2 years ago
I'm reading this book. It's amazing.
The doctor, by the way, has a great voice with so much character!! cute!
eloisaviruet 2 years ago
i hate freudian theories
Nades129 2 years ago 22
Is it because you are hot for your mother?
flyingllama87 2 years ago 13
:/ and you do not see the absurdity of that psychoanalysis....
not every mental illness can be analyze in the unconscious.
Nades129 2 years ago
Saying that you hate Freudian theories is not nearly so great a condemnation as saying that they are untestable, untested, UNSCIENTIFIC theories. That one person states he dislike something strongly is not so strong an argument as to point out that no rational person has good reason to subscribe to such theories.
SciMethod 2 years ago 2
Who's arguing?
I'm expressing what I feel. Get that science-dildo-know-it-all smugness out of your sphincter, please. For the sake of less smugness in the world.
Nades129 2 years ago
I have a question Part #1
I think that due to emotional traumas over years, people experience some delusions as well so it is possible that the emotional centers in the brain trigger circuits in the vision to respond properly to those you are linked to become a stranger. Here is the suggested principle of warmth association process.
BusinessButterfly 3 years ago
the psychological/psychiatric aspect of the trauma evoked from the accident should not be overlooked..intimately linked with emotional centers of brain.
Depersonalization/Derealization associated with PTSD?
~Kerrie Chabot
kerriechabot 3 years ago
Question Part #2
I did not mention this and they did study the findings and told me with hypnosis that my animus remembered the prompt response when I had the chances to see such things as Family members, or any other relationship you encounter, seemed like a story as if he was an impostor plot. I think that should also be study. The fact that some think the world is just made up sore like a Matrix Movie because of the things that happened over the years I hope you get what I have post
BusinessButterfly 3 years ago
So, what would happen if you had his parents contact him via phone, in order to bypass the "what-pathway" and its emotional disconnections of the amygdala. Then, while he's on the phone with him, have them continue talking as they enter the same room as him, and see if it has a way of resolving the capgras delusion, perhaps, in the same way that phantom limbs are resolved, by bypassing it with a mirror.
RJPaulson 3 years ago 4
@RJPaulson Probably the intellect would be bypassed once again. He would feel as though the "impostor" was simply mouthing or repeating the words on the phone. The gut feeling always wins. (But, I think he knows by now, intellectually, what is the case, even though he doesn't feel that way.)
Yoshi5020 1 year ago