This piece is beautiful, but the interpretation... It's really amazing. I can't help having this song in my head every day, it doesn't want to stop. This is the most beautiful interpretation of one of the most beautiful piece of all time, Ravel and Pogorelich are both genies.
This is the most beautiful rendition of this Ravel that I have ever heard. It has long been a favorite, and , man, this is suuperb, and beyond reproach. As someone els e noted, ' It mad me weep!'
Love it. Is a recording available - does any one know?
@ajbev1 ....Hi AJ. Yes, there is a recording of this piece. And I have to agree with you that Maestro Pogorelich plays it brilliantly! The recording is on Deutsche Grammophon (CD 413 363-2; LP 2532 093; Cassette 3302 093), released in 1983. He performs Gaspard de la Nuit, along with Prokofiev's Piano Sonata No. 6 in A major.
I saw him play Gaspard de la Nuit, which he had just recorded for DG, at the RFH in 1981: utterly perfect: spine-tingling, electric, magical, atmospheric by turns, fearsome in its virtuosity and ferocity, but always clear, musical and never over-pedalled or blurred even in the thickest writing or noisiest climaxes. I don't think I will ever hear any live performance of Gaspard which will equal it, let alone surpass it. Not a wrong note, clangorous chord or octave, or muddied passage anywhere.
@smudgepots thunderous clap to your commet! I've heard him in live in his peak, and whole audience(ny audience at carnegie hall) gasped in utter disbelief even during the intermission. they said it was a moment of life they will never forget for the rest of their life. and i was one of them.
@klavierflame These are the moments of concert-going that make it all worthwhile, aren't they? I saw the young Kit Armstrong, now a mature artist at 18, on Friday in St. George and he was truly phenomenal. His Bach and Liszt (two very different composers) have to be heard to be believed. Old fashioned legerdemain and great tonal beauty, married to exceptional musical intelligence and sensitivity, a rare and truly devastating combination.
Ivo gives a mesmerizing performance, but I prefer Valentina who is spellbinding. She is technical and interpretive perfection.
Yet, my favorite is still Minoru Nojima. I saw him do it in person and it was the single greatest performance I've ever seen. The audience could not clap at the end we were all so stunned. It seemed like forever before we burst into applause.
This interpretation is far too affected. The rubato breaks the natural water-like flow of the notes - at times he decrescendos and breaks the tension that naturally builds up in the arpeggios. I think this is quite an immature interpretation of this piece.
@nezyrr there is a video of him studying this with his teacher who tells him to think about crashing waves in these sections. how water builds up and seems to stop for a split second before crashing.
@trumpetmaner I can see that for a piece like Une Barque sur l' Océan, but this piece doesn't tell me of crashing waves at all. Instead, I see an enchanting tableau: a water sprite glimmering in moonlight, who tries to coax a mortal man to love her. From a seductive rippling whisper to the sulky splashing in the climax of the piece, when he tells her that he already loves another. Being the sprite that she is, she then breaks into laughter, receding, as if it were all a tease.
@nezyrr I haven't studied the piece (I'm a trumpeter lol) but that's just what I saw him talking about with his teacher. Its in the first part of the Gaspard de la nuit Video They start talking about it at about 4:25
@trumpetmaner The extreme rubato breaks up the seduction of the water maiden - she's like the sailor's Pied Piper, a classic siren, singing her enchanting song, shimmering, confounding, and hypnotising those who dare lend their ear.
I heard Pogorelich play this here in Sydney in the early 80s. It was pure magic, the stuff of Shakespeare! His sound wrapped the audience up in his care for the music so much that you could hear a pin drop.
For me he will forever remain one of the greatest musical minds of our time.
It's when you hear something like this that you understand that music is something... more important than most, or maybe all, of the other cultural expressions the human beings could produce.
I have several recordings of Gaspard de la Nuit. But whenever I think about this piece, it is always Ivo Pogprelich that comes to my mind. What outstanding playing! He brings out every element of it and Ravel would have himself shed tears on hearing this guy. As beautiful as it can be!!
I first heard this on the radio, live from the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam. I was awestruck because of the unbelievable intricacy of the music and the sheer beauty of the vision Ravel and Pogorelich sketched.
By far the best rendition of this magnificent piece. In fact it's the only version I like. I cannot listen to Argerich's or Ashkenazy's or Michelangeli's. Not enough rubato and they always play way too fast. This is supposed to be a piece giving the impression of being underwater and Pogorelich is the only pianist I've heard who does that so beautifully. Those glissandos are beyond words...
no..the best! although I honestly think that the guy that played gaspard at the van cliburn a few months back, his interpretation of this ranked up there at the top as well
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fuck off callenishss. why would you spoil it? and by the way musclier arms i.e. larger mass, the more control of the arm can be maintained i.e. better playing. i've not even looked at the video, you've just annoyed me.
(To Hachechulo) This is a very important point I want to address, when one studies Classical Mechanics, you learns that the larger the mass, the larger the moment of inertia, the more energy it takes to facilitate rotational motion (angular acceleration of the wrist)--write the Lagrangian function and you will see--- and also the more energy it takes to change direction (of the entire arm lifting and dropping)--this is just Newton's first law.
It's NOWHERE NEAR as simple as classical mechanics. Take into account the fact that if he is ''stocky'' then he is going to have a strong arm that counteracts the greater inertia of his arm.
That said, the reach of the physics involved in pianism is far beyond me, and Pogorelich is one of the best pianists alive.
my point holds. i dont see how the change of angular momentum about the axis parallel to arm (typically denoted omega knot) can be a high value without a high torque.
Your assertion is reductive of both Newtonian principles and the act of piano playing. It elides the force of resistance that would always be presented by the pianist at any weight.
Are you suggesting —as if weight gain occludes ones hearing or musical training—Pogerelich cannot create a counterbalance to produce the same sounds? Or just that he has gained weight?
My question still stands. Without a performance at his current weight, a conclusion is obvious at best.
His interpretation is simply exquisite. He's so marvelous, 'cos every chord is like poetry in his hands. He really likes to taste with calm, intelligence and balance all passages, that's way he explain in a documentary he likes to performance in a little lower tempo every piece, in reference of meticulous treatment at moment of conceptualization.
Valentina Lisitsa and him are so exquisite pianist.
thats european school, american pianists have no idea of intesity, musicality, control or any other main characteristics of a really good pianist. you only have technic. Thats really sad because there are pupils which are practising very much but they have no good teachers....
American pianists, I don't know. But you should check Cuban pianist Jorge Luis Prats' performance of this music right here on You Tube. He won the Margueritte Long Grand Prix piano competition in Paris in 1977 -leaving way behind him Ivo Pogorerlich-. By then he had been studying only with Cuban teachers, and that was the first time he ever traveled outside Cuba. Maybe down there in Paris nobody had an idea of what European piano school is.
I love this piece... and I LOVE this recording! He just conveys the entire impressionistic feeling of the piece- the entire atmosphere of mystery and far away beauty.
Ivo has such fantastic control of the melody; able to let it sing and be heard without bull-horning it or killing it with the background. Mostly excellent precision. And very tasteful and moving interpretation. It's a very nice performance. Nice upload, spokoinoi.
That is a beautiful observation. There is no market to measure this, and it can never be auctioned, thank goodness...all that we can ask is that it is free for all.
This is a dreamy and unique Ondine, and joins my list of favorite performers of this magnificent piece: Gieseking, Michelangeli, Casadesus, and Argerich. When Pogorelich is good, he is very VERY good; check out his Scriabin on YouTube, Pogorelich has the most beautiful hands of any pianist I've seen.
I don't agree with the rallentando in the final bar (Ravel himself wrote "sans rallentir"). But I like the tempo. As a whole it's a very performance :)
I know. Martha Argerich's recordings of the suite are too darn fast! Valentina Lisitsa, and one Perlemuter both play it at pretty much the same tempo as Pogorelich does here. *This* is the way it's to be played. Not blurred as Argerich does, but as you said: Ondine *should* be played fluid, smooth, and sparkling, as if one is taking an underwater stroll.
Wouldn't everything seem blurry to you, if you'd be taking an "underwater stroll" (lol?!)..?
I think one cannot define the way Ravel, or any impressionist should be played (except of intolerable performances, like Gavrilov's).
As for me, I prefer Argerich's take on Ondine, due to this blurriness; but still, Pogorelich's Scarbo is both intimidating and astounding - even Perlemuter was not able to surpass him in this piece.
i know this comment is FAR overdue, but i just wanted to point out that both argerich and lisitsa play this at almost the same tempo (i'm referring to Ondine only)
except that lisitsa goes way too fast in the middle. it even shows in the time.
personally, i think i prefer Prelemuter then Argerich. but maybe Pogo'll make his way to the top one day.
I heard Pogorelich play Gaspard here in Sydney many years ago. He wrapped the audience up in the magic and warmth of his sound. It was incredible. I sometimes struggle not to say he is the greatest pianist of our time. But for me,truthfully, he is - he tells me things I need to hear. Bravo Ivo! You are much loved!
Interesting comments. I love Ravel (I am a harpist, so, Ravel and Debussy are our gods) yet, I must confess I feel his music is rather second rate. It's obvious and, well, cheezy. Beethoven and Debussy were far better composers. Nevertheless, I understand and appreciate the difficulty of this work, and greatly admire the execution.
I think it's a little erroneous to compare Ravel and Debussy, let alone Beethoven. They are all worlds apart - yes? From Neville Cardus: "The difference between Ravel and Debussy was as great as that bewteen a solid and an essence". I adore both. The imagery of Debussy and those lean clean-cut lines of Ravel - one is satin and the other silk.Both are fine tailors! Cheers and best now....
I wasn't comparing them in terms of their music, per se, because yes, they are worlds apart. However, I was comparing the QUALITY of their composition. The later piano sonatas by Beethoven are some of the greatest works ever composed. Ravel's works, though enjoyable, are not. I understand that this sentiment is against the tide of today's criticism, which seems to say that everything is equally good, however, I find it impossible to put Ravel and Beethoven on an equal footing.
Absolutely! The later sonatas of Beethoven are some of the greatest works written. I think what neville Cardus said of Ravel and debussy was most atute. I understand what you are saying. Perhaps ravel and debussy are a little like Liszt and Chopin - I much prefer Chopin of course - he so closely aligned to Bach. Best wishes...
Yes, Chopin is definetely underrated. "Frozen improvisation", "Salon-music" and all this stupid comments.
And Ravel was a great composer who used a very definete and often "classic" structure in his works, while Debussy was a more conceptual inventor (think of the groundbreaking "La mer" and "Jeux".
Pelleas e Melisande is from another world. But I would'nt judge, who is greater. They are different!
Agreed! Chopin's foundation is Bach - unquestionably. The F minor Ballade! I adore the "antiquity" of Ravel and the "imagery" of Debussy...another world, yes!
really? i find ravel far more superior to ravel in about every aspect? but i still love debussy's music, considering i can't play too much by ravel yet ;)
Finally ! (you would think n the World who can play ppp ) !r.h. figure ppp right sound. Melody to die for! all dynamic strains. Lisitsa & everone else: ordinary, no imagination!wizardry ,pedaling, but same sound all way thru to my ears. ( her doublenotes ridiculous fast) that aint RAVEL) she should not touch any French music or Latin music ever AGAIN!!!ASHKENAZY ,Gibbons is awfuln this music except
there are many good versions, but michelangeli's is in a different stratosphere than almost any i have heard. the tone, the pedaling, the colors! and to think the version i have is live. the concentration and attention to EVERY note. unapproachable.
I found it really very beautiful at the very beginning, but then I thought the Ondine is more fearful because of the likely links with the natural element(s).
I like Pogorelic, but I sort of disagree with him.
We don't hear enough of this always compelling artist. What a great pianist! I like his slightly slower than usual tempo, with everything clearly articulated. This is a dreamy water nymph! Yes, Argerich and Perlemuter's petrformances on YouTube are also terrific; each has its merits.
The torrent that's unleashed at 4:30 is sublime. Best Ondine I've ever heard (including his recorded version) by far. Subtle, masterful and ravishing.
The first time Ivo played in Paris, he was just a teen, it was at a Unesco concert, where also Yehudi played for the last time. Nobody had really known Ivo then, and it was love at first "ear". The crowd was stunned instantly, and that was the beginning of this everlasting love story between us Parisians and Ivo. I'd give a lot to have him still perform !
In Paris, we loved Ivo with a passion. Each time he came to perform at Pleyel, we waited patiently, all of us! until he would appear after the performance, and he always did come out. The love that was expressed, and the deep reverence, was so strong, we all wanted to take him on our collective shoulders and carry him through the night, up the Champs Elysees, in a triumphal march of celebration.
I want this video on my C168 unit.
jesusfields35 1 week ago
Wirklich erstaunende Aufführung!
notaire2 1 week ago
is this on a cd or anything i can buy? this guy is really incredible
ShamanicMCCosmology 2 weeks ago
This piece is beautiful, but the interpretation... It's really amazing. I can't help having this song in my head every day, it doesn't want to stop. This is the most beautiful interpretation of one of the most beautiful piece of all time, Ravel and Pogorelich are both genies.
Psychotraumatic 2 weeks ago 9
extremely morbid piece
BlazeKenny 2 months ago
That... was profoundly brilliant.
lordavocado 5 months ago
17 people are just plain STUPID.
OrangeSodaKing 5 months ago
@OrangeSodaKing No, they just don't like this music...
Psychotraumatic 2 months ago
@Psychotraumatic Exactly!
OrangeSodaKing 2 months ago
predivno!
cropatri 5 months ago
so beautiful.
nirmz94 6 months ago
This is the most beautiful rendition of this Ravel that I have ever heard. It has long been a favorite, and , man, this is suuperb, and beyond reproach. As someone els e noted, ' It mad me weep!'
Love it. Is a recording available - does any one know?
ajbev1
ajbev1 6 months ago 2
@ajbev1 ....Hi AJ. Yes, there is a recording of this piece. And I have to agree with you that Maestro Pogorelich plays it brilliantly! The recording is on Deutsche Grammophon (CD 413 363-2; LP 2532 093; Cassette 3302 093), released in 1983. He performs Gaspard de la Nuit, along with Prokofiev's Piano Sonata No. 6 in A major.
phantasm1004 5 months ago
the definitive Gaspard IMO
hugginduff 8 months ago 2
Any pianists in the audience must have been considering early retirement.
smudgepots 8 months ago 4
I saw him play Gaspard de la Nuit, which he had just recorded for DG, at the RFH in 1981: utterly perfect: spine-tingling, electric, magical, atmospheric by turns, fearsome in its virtuosity and ferocity, but always clear, musical and never over-pedalled or blurred even in the thickest writing or noisiest climaxes. I don't think I will ever hear any live performance of Gaspard which will equal it, let alone surpass it. Not a wrong note, clangorous chord or octave, or muddied passage anywhere.
smudgepots 8 months ago 3
@smudgepots thunderous clap to your commet! I've heard him in live in his peak, and whole audience(ny audience at carnegie hall) gasped in utter disbelief even during the intermission. they said it was a moment of life they will never forget for the rest of their life. and i was one of them.
klavierflame 7 months ago
@klavierflame These are the moments of concert-going that make it all worthwhile, aren't they? I saw the young Kit Armstrong, now a mature artist at 18, on Friday in St. George and he was truly phenomenal. His Bach and Liszt (two very different composers) have to be heard to be believed. Old fashioned legerdemain and great tonal beauty, married to exceptional musical intelligence and sensitivity, a rare and truly devastating combination.
smudgepots 7 months ago
my favourite interpretation, it has everything it needs. He's such a genius.
caothanhlan 9 months ago 4
1:22, did he make a mistake? It sounded like he a hit a key next to another one on accident.
WackidWally2 10 months ago
@WackidWally2 nope. he does it several times in both ocatves
trumpetmaner 7 months ago
@WackidWally2 yup
nezyrr 7 months ago
Inspiring and beautiful! Thankyou Ivo!!
jezHB333 11 months ago
Ivo gives a mesmerizing performance, but I prefer Valentina who is spellbinding. She is technical and interpretive perfection.
Yet, my favorite is still Minoru Nojima. I saw him do it in person and it was the single greatest performance I've ever seen. The audience could not clap at the end we were all so stunned. It seemed like forever before we burst into applause.
Ron Russell
Author of "Beethoven: Heaven's Voice"
sunpowernatural 11 months ago
I've listened to a ton of different interpretations but this tops it all!
xodn3300 1 year ago 8
but water doesn't always flow at the same speed nezyrr
birdlivesforever 1 year ago
@birdlivesforever sure - but you need to read the poem upon which this piece is based. It is not just about water.
nezyrr 7 months ago
kranker Scheiß !
MusicMultiFan 1 year ago
looks like he brushed his hair between the 1980 chopin competition and the time this video was shot!!!
fledgehog 1 year ago
This interpretation is far too affected. The rubato breaks the natural water-like flow of the notes - at times he decrescendos and breaks the tension that naturally builds up in the arpeggios. I think this is quite an immature interpretation of this piece.
nezyrr 1 year ago
@nezyrr there is a video of him studying this with his teacher who tells him to think about crashing waves in these sections. how water builds up and seems to stop for a split second before crashing.
trumpetmaner 7 months ago
@trumpetmaner I can see that for a piece like Une Barque sur l' Océan, but this piece doesn't tell me of crashing waves at all. Instead, I see an enchanting tableau: a water sprite glimmering in moonlight, who tries to coax a mortal man to love her. From a seductive rippling whisper to the sulky splashing in the climax of the piece, when he tells her that he already loves another. Being the sprite that she is, she then breaks into laughter, receding, as if it were all a tease.
nezyrr 7 months ago
@nezyrr I haven't studied the piece (I'm a trumpeter lol) but that's just what I saw him talking about with his teacher. Its in the first part of the Gaspard de la nuit Video They start talking about it at about 4:25
trumpetmaner 7 months ago
@trumpetmaner The extreme rubato breaks up the seduction of the water maiden - she's like the sailor's Pied Piper, a classic siren, singing her enchanting song, shimmering, confounding, and hypnotising those who dare lend their ear.
nezyrr 7 months ago
Impossible ! < 33
Sadowskaa25 1 year ago
Unbelievable! My dream is to play Ondine one day although it seems impossible...
wafeltje666 1 year ago
Are those microphones hanging above the piano?
I would love to have this on CD in the quality it deserves...
Powerslider 1 year ago
ivo pogo!
Omnichronicles 1 year ago
It's all so smooth, the feeling you get when you run your hand through water. Truly extraordinary.
arcturian627 1 year ago
I heard Pogorelich play this here in Sydney in the early 80s. It was pure magic, the stuff of Shakespeare! His sound wrapped the audience up in his care for the music so much that you could hear a pin drop.
For me he will forever remain one of the greatest musical minds of our time.
PhillipLWilcher 1 year ago 6
Awesome, but why is he playing on a tiny piano?
SonicEther 1 year ago
This piece is so taxing to listen to. There's just so much going on! D:
ilikehaku1100 1 year ago
When it comes to hands, size really matters.
kiasmus 1 year ago
@kiasmus They say with big hands comes a big...
SanctumZero 1 year ago
It's when you hear something like this that you understand that music is something... more important than most, or maybe all, of the other cultural expressions the human beings could produce.
Vegio7 1 year ago 3
I have several recordings of Gaspard de la Nuit. But whenever I think about this piece, it is always Ivo Pogprelich that comes to my mind. What outstanding playing! He brings out every element of it and Ravel would have himself shed tears on hearing this guy. As beautiful as it can be!!
krish1224 1 year ago 3
I first heard this on the radio, live from the Concertgebouw in Amsterdam. I was awestruck because of the unbelievable intricacy of the music and the sheer beauty of the vision Ravel and Pogorelich sketched.
Porkolty 1 year ago
my favorite interpretation!
allieplaysmusic 1 year ago
This is absolutely breathtaking. I just can't get over it. His FACE, my god after 6.20, he just IS Ondine this is unbelievable.
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klavierflame 1 year ago
that's amazing
Firebird772 1 year ago
Magic....
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MsClaireMitchell 1 year ago
Pogorelich is the BEST!!!!!
indeedpiet 1 year ago
ENERGY, VIBRATIONS, RADIANCE
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Sergej986 1 year ago
@Sergej986 Ma lei era vicino a me al concerto?
Fantastic!
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Sergej986 1 year ago
great! pity that he plays like shit these days.. heard him live couple of weeks ago, and it was atrocious, even with sheet music
ilnvita 2 years ago 5
where you listened him? what was on program?
yubito25 1 year ago
in friedrichshafen. tchaikovsky 1
ilnvita 1 year ago
6'50''
Sergej986 2 years ago
Absolutely glorious, dynamics, tempo, rubato, everything spot on
mikhailasanovic 2 years ago 56
rubato didnt styx have a song in the eighties mr rubato very cool!
donottawaguitar 2 years ago 2
ondine still belongs to michelangeli
rvn10rvn17 2 years ago 2
don't compare Mr Pogorelich with God...-)
Ellinidara 2 years ago 5
@rvn10rvn17 ... and other all ....
turnaroundphraseNY 2 years ago
despite the scrappy recording, I can tell the beautiful tonality that he created in this concert in Japan. The sad thing is that this guy is gone.
kazyasuda 2 years ago 3
Not at all! Look at the comments on Scarbo...
Croat4747 2 years ago
Apologies for not keeping up-to-date. He used to be my favourite. I hope that he will come to London soon
kaz061062 2 years ago
Gone? Why?
Powerslider 2 years ago
By far the best rendition of this magnificent piece. In fact it's the only version I like. I cannot listen to Argerich's or Ashkenazy's or Michelangeli's. Not enough rubato and they always play way too fast. This is supposed to be a piece giving the impression of being underwater and Pogorelich is the only pianist I've heard who does that so beautifully. Those glissandos are beyond words...
studboy87 2 years ago
Listen to Pascal Roge, his rendition is slightly faster but equally beautiful
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Boring shit, tuneless.
sparky0370 2 years ago
Ravel? Tuneless?
... I'm afraid of what you'd say to Daphnis and Chloe, then.
HerrWozzeck 2 years ago
0:09 he always seems to be annoyed playing in public LOL
This is one of the best Gaspard existing!
liszt80 2 years ago 4
no..the best! although I honestly think that the guy that played gaspard at the van cliburn a few months back, his interpretation of this ranked up there at the top as well
mlr2107 2 years ago
@liszt80 This is the best gaspard interpretiation....and you have to listen it on the CD Ravel/Prokofiev....ist brilliant
AdamPage18 2 years ago 3
Superlative. But Pogorelrich is no patch on schoolboy Jeffrey Lee. Just Listen to Jeffrey!
Pogorelich'a performance was in 83. Have not heard him of late. Wonder what's happened?
StephenChin1 2 years ago
wow...
lilwoody15 2 years ago
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fuck off callenishss. why would you spoil it? and by the way musclier arms i.e. larger mass, the more control of the arm can be maintained i.e. better playing. i've not even looked at the video, you've just annoyed me.
220392123 2 years ago
this is no place for language like that!
Powerslider 2 years ago 5
Lol.... Of course not, because we are selected indivduals that have superior tastest. We are not of the world, we are to the superior art , arent we?
Lol....
Deimosxsz 2 years ago
undoubtedly the best performance ever....
pianolord 2 years ago 3
seriously. not that others aren't good (Michelangeli's is classic), but this will be one of those soon.
iamthebirdman888 2 years ago
Quite beautiful, he gets the tempo just right at the beginning which often gets played too fast in my opinion. lovely ending too
nknibbe 2 years ago
already he is more stocky than in 1980
callenishss 2 years ago
How does his "stock[iness]" relate to his playing?
Hachechulo 2 years ago
(To Hachechulo) This is a very important point I want to address, when one studies Classical Mechanics, you learns that the larger the mass, the larger the moment of inertia, the more energy it takes to facilitate rotational motion (angular acceleration of the wrist)--write the Lagrangian function and you will see--- and also the more energy it takes to change direction (of the entire arm lifting and dropping)--this is just Newton's first law.
callenishss 2 years ago
Ok we have a pseudo physician here.
It's NOWHERE NEAR as simple as classical mechanics. Take into account the fact that if he is ''stocky'' then he is going to have a strong arm that counteracts the greater inertia of his arm.
That said, the reach of the physics involved in pianism is far beyond me, and Pogorelich is one of the best pianists alive.
elevenwhy 2 years ago
my point holds. i dont see how the change of angular momentum about the axis parallel to arm (typically denoted omega knot) can be a high value without a high torque.
callenishss 2 years ago
Callenishss:
Your assertion is reductive of both Newtonian principles and the act of piano playing. It elides the force of resistance that would always be presented by the pianist at any weight.
Are you suggesting —as if weight gain occludes ones hearing or musical training—Pogerelich cannot create a counterbalance to produce the same sounds? Or just that he has gained weight?
My question still stands. Without a performance at his current weight, a conclusion is obvious at best.
Hachechulo 2 years ago
congrats on saying a whole bunch of nothing
randyluo84 2 years ago 3
This performance is magnificent. He makes it look so easy...
jerems0410 3 years ago
utterly magnificent. I consider it the best. I can't even listen to other interpretations anymore as they sound so cold/mundane in comparison
atticus10090 3 years ago 4
This in my opinion is the best perfomance ever of this fine piece of music.
cjwaywell 3 years ago 3
can i buy the dvd somewhere? this is a MUST HAVE for my dvd collection. o my god what a magnificent performance!
Powerslider 3 years ago
His interpretation is simply exquisite. He's so marvelous, 'cos every chord is like poetry in his hands. He really likes to taste with calm, intelligence and balance all passages, that's way he explain in a documentary he likes to performance in a little lower tempo every piece, in reference of meticulous treatment at moment of conceptualization.
Valentina Lisitsa and him are so exquisite pianist.
Hopffnung 3 years ago 4
he makes this piece look so easy! but i do see some tension in his lower arm, but with this piece, it is expected!
20009325 3 years ago
I can't believe it!
His finger is like a feather!
taka0804 3 years ago 2
I like his sounds!!!
asiyakorepanova 3 years ago
thats european school, american pianists have no idea of intesity, musicality, control or any other main characteristics of a really good pianist. you only have technic. Thats really sad because there are pupils which are practising very much but they have no good teachers....
balk06 3 years ago
Don't generalize like that. Nationality makes no difference in the skill of a pianist.
jamesrphone 3 years ago 6
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ho ! yes it does !
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I'm not NATIONALSTIC at AAAAAAAAALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its a fact like that white is lighter than red...
tell me at least 3 well known great US pianists??
not south america.. us there are no
balk06 2 years ago
van cliburn, murray perahia, garrick ohlsson,
gorbonaut 2 years ago
bad examples
nobody knows garrick ohlsson
uuu van cliburn the guy with the biggest reportoire...
balk06 2 years ago
andre watts, earl wild, condoleeza rice
gorbonaut 2 years ago 2
Victor Borge, Liberace, condoleeza rice
miso917 2 years ago
Gottschalk, William Kapell, Rudolf Serkin,
Leon Fleisher, Julius Katchen, Byron Janis, Mischa Dichter, Gary Graffman..
Josef Hoffmann, Rosina Lhevine,.. acquired american citizenship, teached at curtis, juliard, .. all american.. too many
alnisc 2 years ago 2
not all americans... just listen to van cliburn...
Pogorelich studied the Liszt-Silot method. Absolutely fantastic
peixotoraul 3 years ago
American pianists, I don't know. But you should check Cuban pianist Jorge Luis Prats' performance of this music right here on You Tube. He won the Margueritte Long Grand Prix piano competition in Paris in 1977 -leaving way behind him Ivo Pogorerlich-. By then he had been studying only with Cuban teachers, and that was the first time he ever traveled outside Cuba. Maybe down there in Paris nobody had an idea of what European piano school is.
jabornot 3 years ago
i prefer ashkenaszy version the beginiing is smoother this is a bit akward but it gets better towards the midddle -very dreamy.
dlfunky 3 years ago
Ashkenazy must be the most overrated pianist there is. Bourgeois pretention at its worst.
simonsmatthew 3 years ago
Brilliant performance!
af88s 3 years ago
Excellent! The best I have seen by far! Bravo!
af88s 3 years ago
I like the way he handled the melody line, SO DREAMY!!!
magicicle 3 years ago 2
I love this piece... and I LOVE this recording! He just conveys the entire impressionistic feeling of the piece- the entire atmosphere of mystery and far away beauty.
doi1776 3 years ago
I like his style of playing the piece, plus he's just as relaxed as Lisitsa in her DVD sample.
silhouetted321 3 years ago 2
Ivo has such fantastic control of the melody; able to let it sing and be heard without bull-horning it or killing it with the background. Mostly excellent precision. And very tasteful and moving interpretation. It's a very nice performance. Nice upload, spokoinoi.
pocoapoco2 3 years ago 5
this video is a piece of art; more valuable to me than the most beautiful and expensive painting in the world!
Powerslider 3 years ago 25
i agree afterall, ivo is a most precious art work in every way. just look and listen to him. beauty needs no explanation.--oscar wilde
Verityseo 2 years ago 2
Dates and prunes.
Pacayasong 2 years ago
@Powerslider
That is a beautiful observation. There is no market to measure this, and it can never be auctioned, thank goodness...all that we can ask is that it is free for all.
thisismymoniker 1 year ago
Breathtaking! A beautiful, dreamy piece ... it brings images of heavenly cascades and shimmering waters to mind. Extraordinary!
cerzule 3 years ago 3
This is a dreamy and unique Ondine, and joins my list of favorite performers of this magnificent piece: Gieseking, Michelangeli, Casadesus, and Argerich. When Pogorelich is good, he is very VERY good; check out his Scriabin on YouTube, Pogorelich has the most beautiful hands of any pianist I've seen.
billyguns2 3 years ago
Oh my... look at such each he plays!!
Alucinoria 3 years ago
I don't agree with the rallentando in the final bar (Ravel himself wrote "sans rallentir"). But I like the tempo. As a whole it's a very performance :)
girgiii 3 years ago
I cannot decide whose Ondine is better - Pogorelich's or Argerich's?
plavaorhideja 3 years ago
this is hands down my favorite. the ambiance makes me teary.
Kaleetos 3 years ago 3
MONSTROUS HANDS .... so perfect...
terryregnar 3 years ago 5
his hands are enormous; must be nice to be blessed to that degree
wsp67326 3 years ago
that glissando played as a scale is the best thing i have ever heard in anything by anyone.
eribani 3 years ago 8
OMG, so true! It gave me shivers!
poisson1991 3 years ago 2
caprivating. his sound is so smooth and fluid.
minasgekos 3 years ago
I know. Martha Argerich's recordings of the suite are too darn fast! Valentina Lisitsa, and one Perlemuter both play it at pretty much the same tempo as Pogorelich does here. *This* is the way it's to be played. Not blurred as Argerich does, but as you said: Ondine *should* be played fluid, smooth, and sparkling, as if one is taking an underwater stroll.
CrazyPianist122792 3 years ago
Wouldn't everything seem blurry to you, if you'd be taking an "underwater stroll" (lol?!)..?
I think one cannot define the way Ravel, or any impressionist should be played (except of intolerable performances, like Gavrilov's).
As for me, I prefer Argerich's take on Ondine, due to this blurriness; but still, Pogorelich's Scarbo is both intimidating and astounding - even Perlemuter was not able to surpass him in this piece.
bsdkflh 3 years ago
i know this comment is FAR overdue, but i just wanted to point out that both argerich and lisitsa play this at almost the same tempo (i'm referring to Ondine only)
except that lisitsa goes way too fast in the middle. it even shows in the time.
personally, i think i prefer Prelemuter then Argerich. but maybe Pogo'll make his way to the top one day.
fionasapple 2 years ago
there's a bonus track version she did. I prefer that version.
asdfhuliashduflasihf 2 years ago
dude, i would kill to see pogorelich play the gaspard de la nuit.
OrangeSodaKing 3 years ago
I heard Pogorelich play Gaspard here in Sydney many years ago. He wrapped the audience up in the magic and warmth of his sound. It was incredible. I sometimes struggle not to say he is the greatest pianist of our time. But for me,truthfully, he is - he tells me things I need to hear. Bravo Ivo! You are much loved!
PhillipLWilcher 3 years ago 2
Genius.
ravel1109 3 years ago 3
my god...it is WONDERFUL.
LeoPianogirl 3 years ago 4
Interesting comments. I love Ravel (I am a harpist, so, Ravel and Debussy are our gods) yet, I must confess I feel his music is rather second rate. It's obvious and, well, cheezy. Beethoven and Debussy were far better composers. Nevertheless, I understand and appreciate the difficulty of this work, and greatly admire the execution.
johnmannno 3 years ago
I think it's a little erroneous to compare Ravel and Debussy, let alone Beethoven. They are all worlds apart - yes? From Neville Cardus: "The difference between Ravel and Debussy was as great as that bewteen a solid and an essence". I adore both. The imagery of Debussy and those lean clean-cut lines of Ravel - one is satin and the other silk.Both are fine tailors! Cheers and best now....
PhillipLWilcher 3 years ago 2
I wasn't comparing them in terms of their music, per se, because yes, they are worlds apart. However, I was comparing the QUALITY of their composition. The later piano sonatas by Beethoven are some of the greatest works ever composed. Ravel's works, though enjoyable, are not. I understand that this sentiment is against the tide of today's criticism, which seems to say that everything is equally good, however, I find it impossible to put Ravel and Beethoven on an equal footing.
johnmannno 3 years ago
Absolutely! The later sonatas of Beethoven are some of the greatest works written. I think what neville Cardus said of Ravel and debussy was most atute. I understand what you are saying. Perhaps ravel and debussy are a little like Liszt and Chopin - I much prefer Chopin of course - he so closely aligned to Bach. Best wishes...
PhillipLWilcher 3 years ago
Yes, Chopin is definetely underrated. "Frozen improvisation", "Salon-music" and all this stupid comments.
And Ravel was a great composer who used a very definete and often "classic" structure in his works, while Debussy was a more conceptual inventor (think of the groundbreaking "La mer" and "Jeux".
Pelleas e Melisande is from another world. But I would'nt judge, who is greater. They are different!
murksov 3 years ago
Agreed! Chopin's foundation is Bach - unquestionably. The F minor Ballade! I adore the "antiquity" of Ravel and the "imagery" of Debussy...another world, yes!
PhillipLWilcher 3 years ago
really? i find ravel far more superior to ravel in about every aspect? but i still love debussy's music, considering i can't play too much by ravel yet ;)
OrangeSodaKing 3 years ago
feminine and aquatic. Love it
lenalena340 3 years ago
thanks baby, I enjoyed it:)
VaheTheGreate 3 years ago
perfection has a name
Ivo Pogorelich
PeterStuttgart 3 years ago 2
I think Pogorelich is the most endowed pianist of all.
sm3tje 3 years ago 3
Finally ! (you would think n the World who can play ppp ) !r.h. figure ppp right sound. Melody to die for! all dynamic strains. Lisitsa & everone else: ordinary, no imagination!wizardry ,pedaling, but same sound all way thru to my ears. ( her doublenotes ridiculous fast) that aint RAVEL) she should not touch any French music or Latin music ever AGAIN!!!ASHKENAZY ,Gibbons is awfuln this music except
Pogo
FRANCOIS
Argerich.. Michelangeli ?. Lortie
Biret
lovesGenet 3 years ago 2
there are many good versions, but michelangeli's is in a different stratosphere than almost any i have heard. the tone, the pedaling, the colors! and to think the version i have is live. the concentration and attention to EVERY note. unapproachable.
brianCIM 3 years ago
Muy buena su Ondine, de verdad.
enagyb 3 years ago
disgusting O_O
(i meant in a good way)
strikerdisc 3 years ago
I found it really very beautiful at the very beginning, but then I thought the Ondine is more fearful because of the likely links with the natural element(s).
I like Pogorelic, but I sort of disagree with him.
francorussie 3 years ago
NEVERMIND this interpretation by Pogorelic is ravishingly beautiful. A pity some people do not listen to his brilliant recordings more often.
francorussie 3 years ago
We don't hear enough of this always compelling artist. What a great pianist! I like his slightly slower than usual tempo, with everything clearly articulated. This is a dreamy water nymph! Yes, Argerich and Perlemuter's petrformances on YouTube are also terrific; each has its merits.
billyguns2 3 years ago
The torrent that's unleashed at 4:30 is sublime. Best Ondine I've ever heard (including his recorded version) by far. Subtle, masterful and ravishing.
ghostwriter11 3 years ago 3
I think ravel would have wept at the sheer beauty of this performance
jmealonso 3 years ago
The best Ondine so far.
ji94552 3 years ago
I agree.
musiKraZ 3 years ago
MAGICAL! what a master of the art of music!
Powerslider 4 years ago
1:29 sounds just like a harp
beautiful...
georgecziffra 4 years ago
Nunca me había parecido tan fácil...ja ja ja
Es impresionante.
rambeiro 4 years ago
for me the best ondine on you tube!!!
incedible how he manages the climax...
gudesuppes 4 years ago 2
Ivo Pogorelich is the greatest artist in the world.
Balázs Kuti
19700612 4 years ago 2
Simply Amazing...he makes it look soooo EASY! MARVELOUS! 5*'s.
~OrangeCaesar (Jules)
OrangeCaesar 4 years ago
The first time Ivo played in Paris, he was just a teen, it was at a Unesco concert, where also Yehudi played for the last time. Nobody had really known Ivo then, and it was love at first "ear". The crowd was stunned instantly, and that was the beginning of this everlasting love story between us Parisians and Ivo. I'd give a lot to have him still perform !
velvetpaws999 4 years ago 2
In Paris, we loved Ivo with a passion. Each time he came to perform at Pleyel, we waited patiently, all of us! until he would appear after the performance, and he always did come out. The love that was expressed, and the deep reverence, was so strong, we all wanted to take him on our collective shoulders and carry him through the night, up the Champs Elysees, in a triumphal march of celebration.
velvetpaws999 4 years ago
i love this. totally.
Cienfer 4 years ago