Flight of the Phoenix Mars Lander

[valberm]

man, we're the aliens.

[Armigo91]

what version of orulex do you use for orbiter and how do you resurface generated terrain. Cause my orulex generates hills on planets but they are not surfaced. My surface ceiling is therefore below high terrain causing glitchy graphics.

Im not sure if its possible at all and maybe i can just only land at outposts but i want to land at empty terrain without visual glitches. I hope you can help me out.

[rbrad745]

errr..now that was difficult..

[WeAreTheRobots]

Nice, classic ad hominem attack with zero arguments.

Show us the NASA press release, or even better, the papers.

If you are talking about the new paper about meteorite ALH84001 in Geochimica et Cosmochimica Acta of last year, well, I read the paper. While the evidence is compelling, the case is not yet totally settled. More tests are required.

Meanwhile, the world awaits for your data of high atmospheric pressures on Mars.

[BigDAS]

"Take a look at the Lawman

Beating up the wrong guy

Oh, Man! Wonder if he'll ever know

He's the best selling show

Is there life on Mars?"

-David Bowie - Life On Mars-

[WeAreTheRobots]

I've "lived it ten times or more", but still enjoying it.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Wow, this is just funny.

For example, try to prove now that there is no life in Enceladus.

You can't. And even if you send 100 probes under the surface of Enceladus and find no life, that doesn't mean there is no life there.

If you cannot prove there is no life, that doesn't mean there is. You have fallen in even yet another fallacy.

If you post here,you should know that anyone can comment on your posts. If you feel stalked, maybe it's due to your lack of evidence for your claims.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Dude, get a life and read actual science.

And who cares if you don't read messages that I'm not going to send you anyway?

[WeAreTheRobots]

I do it everyday, dude. It's part of the life of a scientist.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Excellent, you failed to provide a single piece of evidence for your case. Just assertions, zero data.

And you should think twice before telling someone you don't know to read a paper, even more if you don't understand basic physics.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Water, not life.

If you are talking about the microfossils in a meteorite,

the evidence is promising, but not definitive.

I'm still waiting for your answers and data!

[WeAreTheRobots]

...said the one who doesn't have any good answer...

[WeAreTheRobots]

I clearly read that. That's why I've asked to show us where is that statement and the evidence.

Water on the Moon is not the same as life on Mars.

And I'm still waiting for your solid evidence for higher atmospheric pressures and your answers for the questions I've left.

[WeAreTheRobots]

The data has been provided for decades for everyone to examine and criticize. And sorry, but you are utterly ignorant on science.

If you make a claim, you provide thee evidence. NASA and other space agencies have done that. It's your turn.

[WeAreTheRobots]

You have still not answered my questions, so it's you who's dodging (besides lying).

Now show us your unambiguous solid evidence for you claims.

[WeAreTheRobots]

To avoid spam, probably.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Show us the unambiguous evidence!

[WeAreTheRobots]

See my answer below and stop whining.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Oh, I see where is your problem, likely.

Go here, open the pdf file:

authors. library. caltech. edu / 15111 /

(Remove spaces, youtube is blocking urls).

See figure 1. Indeed it has data in the range 800-900, but in Pascals, not millibars. 800 Pa is 8 mbar.

Make the proper conversions and you will see the data is consistent to those of Phoenix and all the other probes.

And no, I don't have to identify myself. You have to provide data.

[WeAreTheRobots]

@azzamalamriki

1) You are making the claims for different facts, so the burden of proof lies on you, not me.

2) There is no unambiguous evidence for life in Mars, yet.

There is only some possible evidence for past life, but the case is not settled yet.

3) Having answered here and personally to your personal messages, your claim of me dodging you is evident, ludicrous and childish.

4) Show us your data, source and calculations.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Correction:

"your claim of me dodging you is evident" should say:

"your claim of me dodging you is evidently false,"

[BigDAS]

I don't mind an on-going 'discussion' or even debate but please watch the language. Thank you.

[WeAreTheRobots]

@azzamalamriki

Please go and study some physics before making such ridiculous statements.

Tell us when you land something on Mars.

[WeAreTheRobots]

@azzamalamriki:

"yeah i never get comments back because people know i win"

This is just laughable. People like you claim to win an argument insisting on conspiracy theories having zero data. It's just childish to think you're winning a case based on... comments in a video (while showing supreme ignorance on physics).

You will have won when you have hard evidence on your side, published a few peer-reviewed papers in respected scientific magazines and change the books. Let us know.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Oh, come on. Air density is not the same as pressure.

Even in the ideal gas approximation you have that pressure is proportional to both density (which is proportional to N/V) and temperature.

In this specific case, using a simplified model, drag is proportional to ( air density ) x ( speed^2 ).

Then, the high descent speed is important.

Also, first learn what a "near perfect vacuum" is.

Consider Martian weather.

I give you 1 of a maximum of 10 trolling points.

[WeAreTheRobots]

Besides using parachutes, the Viking landers almost doubled the Phoenix lander in mass.

Also, the equivalent weight of objects in the surface of Mars is about 40% of that on Earth, so that partially compensates for the lower Martian air density.

[WeAreTheRobots]

@azzamalamriki

How do you even trust Viking lander measurements then?

You say the descent of a lighter lander using parachutes is impossible, based on the data delivered by a more massive lander that got there using parachutes.

Go troll somewhere else.

[WeAreTheRobots]

For the uninitiated, a tip: the Viking landers used parachutes during descent.

[jhuolian56]

chaaaaaaa bakan

[jbernhardt003]

holy friggin boring batman! it was like watching grass grow.did you see the exciting part when the chute let go? wow! and then the shovel moved, oohhh. ,,,,,and they took the time to animate this, that dude seriously need something to do, i almost fell asleep for once so i guess this video is somewhat helpful, lol

[lukoshke]

It's such a shame they lost contact with Phoenix Lander on November 2nd, 2008. Let's just hope our phoenix will reborn after the winter season in Mars.

[lennartsmit]

It will be so cold that the solarpanels will freeze and break off. There was never hope of using this longer than one season.

[calen23]

This is the first time that I know about this program and I just want to know if can travel with it around the universe, and landed in any planet at least the solar system?

[mission2ridews]

that made NO sense

[mamadoumangerbanane]

URGENT please how do you film it?

very good film !

[BigDAS]

Thank you! The information is all in the Introduction to the right of the video panel.

[copperhead88]

hahahhahhah

[n122vu]

Great video! Where did you get the Phoenix lander add-on? Have searched orbithangar and the web...

Thanks,

n122vu

[BigDAS]

It should be on AVSIM listed as "Phoenix Mission v.4 Brian Jones 2182k 212 04-Jun-2008" which is an update from the version currently shown.

[Mynachlogddu]

On the night of the landing, I had a pretty startling dream.

I found myself with others who had just landed and were colonising the planet. We had not long landed and were exploring the planet.

I don't know if we had some kind of citidel to contain the air.

But it was not long before we, or at least I, started to feel strange as if something was in our bodies.

It gets better.

We all started getting cuts above our wrists shaped roughly like a curve and they were bleeding.

A bad omen.

[7olusegun]

Was this the actual descent or an eleborate simulation?

[BigDAS]

This a simulation.

[Giezer1984]

wow that would have been a difficult module to make, but you pulled it of, cool

[buzzrdface]

I'll be forever amazed that men and women can shoot a probe into space, wait a few months or years, then have it SAFELY LAND exactly where they wanted it to be.

[7olusegun]

Dont be too amazed; when considering extremely large distances, it's a largely hit or/and miss affair (hence the name "phoenix as in this case). This type of feat is far more likely to fail than succeed (though it's alway' worth a try).

[w1ss1n]

i wanna knoe if that thing is gonna come back to earth....mmm cuz i hear that thing took too long to get to mars.... n how that shit is gonna fly back 2 earth?....jajaja plop ..el que responde primero es un huevon *

[7olusegun]

the phoenix shit is on mars forever. All the rockets and technical means of rising from mars back to earth (if ever at all) are already spent during the descent on the martian surface. Therefore it is doomed to remain on mars (except perhaps somebody from earth goes to mars to retrieve it back to earth).

[BULQIZE999]

gad bles  americans

[datzfast]

for what americans have spent on space exploration, they could have bought enought windmills to put opec out of bussiness. good thing they blow the money in outer space. sweeeeeet.

[datzfast]

i heard him say mars goes through climate changes just like earth does. wont landing a man made rover cause global warming. oh my god

were at it again.

[BigDAS]

Hi, Gabriel. Take a bath and come back when you're disinfected. (And some wonder why I have Approval set on ON)

[briseallard]

Fascinante!!!

[joctee]

You used Fraps? So it means that this is realtime 3d? cool.. This reminds me of the Amiga Game: Elite II - Frontier :)

[BigDAS]

Yes, it's all 3D rendered , and blows Elite away by a parsec.

[joctee]

Yeah, I can now see the LOD segments of the terrain poping in when the Phoenix Lander i descending.

Good work!

[DickMcChristopher]

kind of boring

[BigDAS]

Sorry, no Star Wars here, only science.

[dingoprairie]

Star wars is science. It's also factual history except for the Jedi knights. They didn't exist. Darth Vader, General Grievous and Chewbacca however did exist :)

[rmsolympic1]

It makes me wonder: if we put billions, if not a trillion or so, into space exploration, where in space wouold we be? If man united, what might we be able to do?

[TECHKLEC]

Touchdown!!!

[LtStarkiller]

Need to add some tunes to this....maybe "Rock you like a Hurricane".

[BigDAS]

Yes, I did.

[BigDAS]

Correct.

[KingBushidoNr1]

hey jo das is voll titte !!

[BigDAS]

Ich bin nicht ganz sicher, was Sie versuchen zu sagen. Verwenden Sie bitte Slang nicht.

[BigDAS]

You're getting tiresome. One more from you and you're gone.

[BigDAS]

Your diction is improving, Dennis.

[BigDAS]

See another conspiracy theorist make an ass of himself.

[JQourydxyz]

nice vid, i really hope they will find nice things after the 25th of May :D

[port13saz]

that was........inspiring

[BigDAS]

Thank you.

[TinfishUK]

Nice vid Das.

No soundtrack though. Was it a low budget production?

;)

[BigDAS]

Thanks, Tinfish! I left the sound out to keep the file size down, and there wasn't much to hear anyway! :)

[Teslaguy]

Get orbiter sound. And where did the terrain come form?

[BigDAS]

Got Orbiter sound, but I left out the sound track to keep the file size down.

The terrain was generated by The ORbiter ULtimate EXpirience landscape generator system (ORULEX) v0.7.0 by Artlav.

[jdy6738]

whats that green pulsating laser? is that like a sat feed to a mothership ior something?

[BigDAS]

That's called LDAR (Light Detection and Ranging)designed to test the refraction properties of the Martian atmosphere.

[2902hawthorne]

The LIDAR and Robotic Arm will not operate at the same time during surface operations. One task at a time, due to the availability of power.

[BigDAS]

Thanks for the correction.

[GeneralYogiBear123]

Neat video.

[apollolover45]

Great video!