From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic
From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic
From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic.
From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic
From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic.
Allah is the title of God, not the name. God of Abraham have the name and that is YHWH. Arab Christians uses the title as Allah, not the name, because there is no other word for God in that language. But in Islam the title and name of God is Allah. Hebrew title for God is Eloh and Aramaic is Elah. And when you read Bible and Quran, you can clearly see the difference in the character of God.
Jesus did claim that he will judge everyone, the authorities of heaven and earth is in him, if anyone ask in his name , he will do it for him. if 2 or 3 people speak in his name, he will be there at the midst. Means, He took everything, which YHWH said about himself in Old testament. And this makes us believe that he come from God and Jesus is the God made flesh.
Jesus said in Bible that he comes from Heaven. Jesus was virgin born. And Jesus completed prophesies of the Old testament, almost 200 prophesies. The problem is that, Islam even admits there are prophets, but they don't believe in prophesies!!. Read those prophesies of Jesus in Psalms , Zechariah, Daniel,Torah etc.Those can't be fulfilled by a human.And also the claims of Jesus can't be taken as a Joke.
I heard how Jesus changed other people's lives and I wanted it too.I was a lying stealing cheating arrogant sexually immoral drug-addicted jerk.I knew I was bad and wanted to be good.I asked Jesus to take control of my life;I had made a mess of it.He came and purified my thought-life and heart.I believe the Son of God died for my sins and rose again. Understanding His love I trust Him and give Him control of my life. He transformed me into a new person.Never knew joy like this was possible.
09:11 The Christian lawyer says "Muhammad Peace be Upon Him" - if he didn't he'd go to jail! And it had to be in the minute 9/11... does that mean something?
This is so unrealistic. This may be one neighborhood, but this actually doesnt really happen. This classist system was creates through British Imperialism, because they introduced laws into the consitution which actually destroyed rights of minorities, and the government hasnt removed them.
This is so unrealistic. This may be one neighborhood, but this actually doesnt really happen. This classist system was creates through British Imperialism, because they introduced laws into the consitution which actually destroyed rights of minorities, and the government hasnt removed them.
unbelievable and really sad..shame on Pakistan for doing this haraami work on minorities..I am so proud to be in India..we Indian muslims are treated with equal respect along with other religions..thank Allah that i am not in pakistan!!
I know we have differences between us in this world but we should never never forget that we all humans are same in the eyes of GOD and even we don't agree with each other religious view we should respect each other and try to love,care ,help and forget hate.... GOD BLESS US ALL to my MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
So there is a school for christians, which is expensive to attend, however there are christians who can afford it - therefore the minority chirstians are not all living in the slums and are not all poor. There is a minister in government who is christian who takes care of the minorities. Itss sad that they live that way, but every country has their lower class. Making it a story about religon vs religion is stupid. Its ignorance that divides!
@crazynwild1984 Are you aware that this IS what ALL this fighting around the whole world is about? religion. It goes back all the way to Adam and Eve.
@sweet161402 its us not understanding the ultimate truth in one God which divides us. Mulsim prostrate, Christinas kneel and Jews sway back and forth... its all to the one God. Its MAN who decides to pick up a gun or to descriminate, not religion. all Abrahamic religions teach to forgive and love everyone. how can you blame religion?
the God of Jews and Christians is not the god in islam. If islam never propagates fighting, subjugating, killing then tell me why christians are so persecuted in all islamic countries and societies? Because this is what islam is telling you to do.
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz The God of Islam and Judaism is the same God. If you want to get technical, then the God/JEsus of Christianity defies everything regarding monotheism. Muslims, Christians and Jews pray and submit to the God of Abraham. Jesus is God according to man. not GOD.
And FYI, learn the bible and history. Islam in spain, 800 years ruling, jews and mulsims lived in peace. When teh crusaders came in they slaughtered everyone. Real Islam allows justice to all people
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. * Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)." (Quran 15:2-3)
@sweet161402 "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous - Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men - for God loves those who do good." Quran Chapter 3, Verses 133-134
why dont we help theses amazing people inseatd of fucking building mosks in england and donateing money to muslims scum..to be a christain in pakistan the sruggle is hard then u get thses idots in england converting to isam is madness
islams are cruel ...why are they converting ppl .thier religion is going to be full of fakes ..Christians did the same thing .thats why they have like 50 millions sections of Christianity .a powerful religion is when ppl come to the religion if you force them you gonna have slackers isnt about the belief in ppls heart and not the number .what you gonna get with a large # of ppl is ur religion ..nothing..and..i mean pakistan used to be part of india and in india we let them be whatever they want
There are muslim that are poor but no real practicing muslim end up in a slum that is filthy as well. This is a sign from God so that these Christians may reflect but unfortunately many of them might die in the state of disbelief aka manworship. Know even Jesus said " The Lord our God is One..." Jesus didnt say I am 1/3 of that god in human form so why do you presume? Specially after knowing the credentials and authenticity of the Gospels. The writers of gospels didnt know Jesus nor the deciples
Islam is an evil way of life and Mohammed was a false prophet, kiddie-fucker. Why the world seeks to appease this monster is pathetic. The time is now to draw the line in the sand and stop these monsters from hurting more innocent people. Including their own peoples.
remember in the bible it says the kingdom of heaven shall be rewarded to the poor. god does not condemen the believers but merely puts them through tries and tribulations. god is with you my people , persevere and ya shall not regret it..
muslims are rats the reason why they are the fastest growing religion in the world is because of the birthrates, they breed like rats; fast and like an epidemic and don't forget they are pests hahahaha
barking Dog should not be answered............. thats my view about your comment....................... ISLAM will remain alive even after the death of universe.
@ranaumarishaq no, islam will fall down, kuran was written by schizophrenic man who lived in cave and had an idea thet god talk to him, mohamad was an idiot, and now lets make some picktures of mohamad
@00cypress Lets make some porn movie of your MOM, motherfucker, son of a bastard devil, faggot, shithead. I will be happy to fuck your MOM and make sum babies.
@00cypress Hey motherfucker, you are the most ugliest creature crawling on the face of earth, hope you get hit by a truck. Douche bag buy your mom a 7 foot DILDO while im away fucking your sister.
@00cypress Your Satanic desires will never get fulfilled. You worship the devil and you belong to his army, always waging war against the peaceful Muslims in the hope that they can sweep away the Muslims, but history tells us that they were never and will never be successful in their plans.
Ah yes, another fine example of kindness from "the religion of peace". What a joke. We need to wipe every last one of those towel-head terrorists off the planet.
and that 17 year bitch hsould know that we have athics for non muslims as a subject if they dont want to study islamiat ... this documentary is boiling my blood coz i live here i know facts
i hope u people open ur eyes ..or atleast contradict me so that i bring about proof against ur fuking french colony.. pimps.drug dealers .vine market ..this is france colony f-7 markez islamabad..shame on this report is this what jesus taught u is this ur christianity? pimpin.i can present even phone numbers from ur little christian heaven called france colony where they abuse our pakistani law ,.shame shame
You all are dumb, Pakistan used to be a part of India but they thought that all the muslim should have their own part which became Pakistan. Now if these people hate it soo much they should move to India. None the less what the Pakistani extremist muslims are doing is wrong
Christians have to get back to the roots of the faith taught them by Jesus and His apostles, Mathew chapters 5-7, Romans chapters 5 and 12, and Ephesians chapters 4-6 are just a few passages for us to read and see the teachings God had Jesus give us as a daily guide for us to follow. Love your enemies, don't attack them, bless those who persecute and hate you. Use tribulation to grow your faith and character to increase your hope in God and in Jesus soon return; prepare your hearts and minds.
If God gives light , rain, food to everyone without looking their "Religion", Surely God will bless everyone who are being persecuted or being suffered.
Migrants reaching America is because they are dissatisfied in their own country and saw US is a better country to live on , now what kind of persecution you are talking about?
if they are seeing the truth in Islam and reverting to it by their own free will, you cannot call it persecution. God explicitly says in Quran "There is no compulsion in religion". If you want to see real persecution of minorities, dont look far India is next where Muslims and Christians are suffering in mass
India. Are you joking?. In India minorities are the one who enjoys the law more than the majorities, where Muslims and Christians are getting job reservations , educational reservations etc etc. More than that India is a democratic country where anyone can reach to any top position, unlike Pakistan where Christians are barred to come into top position.
Little correction:Christians are not the followers of Islamic Jesus who preaches "Love everyone, sacrifice for others" and in the end cheating his followers saying " Who sacrifice for me?, because I am a PROPHET"...Christians are the followers of Jesus of Bible who says "Love everyone, sacrifice for others " and who shows what is sacrificing to everyone by crucifying in the cross.
@Hafsa8660 Bible does not lie, nor it does not change. Isa 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.", Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. ,.....Now word of God stands forever. If you say I lies, then you indirectly means Word of God is a liar, God is a liar. So please Don't do big sins unknowingly. Reject Antichrist, accept Christ. Thank you.
@shininglamb I'm not saying that God Or Jesus Christ are lairs, subhanallah, but God should be the only one to worhsiph and he has sent prophet Jesus to tell people that. But then people changed his religion and then God sent Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but the Christians, who had the wrong religion, rejected him
Sorry. Christians and Muslims had different view for God. For example Muslims believe God can't be come as Human and he can change His words during each time. But for Christians God can come as Human and He can't change HIS words and His words are permanent. Muslims believe God is not weak to become a Human and Christians believe God is not a liar to change His words. No one can believe a human who change his words, forget about God.
@shininglamb Thank God, I've accepted all the prophets from Adam to Mohammad (pbuh) and the day of judgement God will ask Prophet Jesus, though he already knows; did you, oh Jesus, tell people that you are my son? and Jesus will answer him that he didn't, then what will you answer God when he asks you why you lied about him and his messenger? you seem like a good person, if you truly love God and Jesus Christ, raise your hand up to God, not Jesus, and ask him to guide you to the right path.
Merely accepting the name of Prophets does not mean you accept their messages. For example" I accept Muhammad as messenger , but I did not believe his words because it is changed by Uttman and his followers and Quran is not verified by Muhammad when it is written into book". So it is the same as rejecting Muhammad. and this is what you are doing with all the prophets of God.
@shininglamb You need to check you fects Quran was not written into a book in Uthman's time it was in life of Prophet Mohammad sawas. Do you remember a famouse cote of Umer when he said to Prophet Book of Allah is enough for us what does that mean ? It mean Quran was in shape of Book by the time of death of Prophet Mohammad sawas.
I think you should need to recheck again, that it was Utman who compiled Quran after the death of Muhammad and he did so because many who remember Quran, were dying in the battles.And if YOU are correct, then you should NEED to tell me , who wrote YEMENI Quran , which is the oldest Quran found , and has proved significant difference from the present Quran.
@shininglamb You dont need to tell me about Yameni Quran becase i have seen Quran written by Ali as cosin of Prophet Mohammad so you need to check your fects first. Second People use to come to prophet and leave after some time so they have copies only of that time that does not mean Quran was defrent it mean people use to have 1 chepter or more. People use to have quran as it was coming to prophet uthman recompile it and make like we see today
You made the point man. Utman recompile it? Does MUhammad lived in that time when Utman recompied it?? NO...Do Uthman is a Prophet who could know which verses to be included and which Not? NO..What are you really miss the point is , inserting verses here and there will change the meaning entirely, and that is what happened to Quran.
@shininglamb Ok what ever happen but now Quran is all over One and only from Europe to Indonaisa unlike Bible with more then 73 defrent Version. One more Thing Quran came to Prophet Mohammad sawas and he gave it to his fallowers but Bible has nothing to do with Jesus bible was started after 40 years of jesus and it took 170 years to complete it, Bible even could not tell Geanalogy of jesus who was his father and Grand father even though Luke and Matthew talks about it both are defrent
What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
About Bible, versions happening ONLY in ENGLISH and the copies which was written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew are STILL preserved today, and the copies are almost 24,500, plus recently discovered copy of Dead sea scrolls in 1950s. So there is NO proof for Bible is changed.If anyone try to change Bible, it will easily caught, because that's the amount of copies (24,500) Bible have in different locations dated as above as 300 BC, means before Christ.:)
@shininglamb Ok Mr i think i have to say one more thing have ever heard about Gospal of Marry Magdalene , Gospal of Paul why are not they are part of bible and What about Gospal of Judus. there atleast 28 gospals Missing from modren bible and 300 BC so you are telling me book came first the jesus and 300 years before him. Ok why dont you search videos on this youtube for missing gospals of bible you will find many intersting things
You have absolute no Idea for why many Gospels are rejected. Just because a gospel's cover says Gospel of Peter or Thomas doesn't mean, they are authentic. For example, Gospel of Peter is rejected because it has many errors, when concerning historical facts. Gospel of Judas was clearly written b/w 13th and 16th century and that is proved. Hearing Christianity from your scholars are okay, but at-least check, by your own eyes, if they are true or not.
Bible is a collection of books including Old testament and New testament. The books which as old as 300 BC is found, which Old testament books, like Daniel , Isaiah, not New testament. Don't get confused with Old testament and New testament. Christians believe the same books like Torah, Psalms, and books of prophets, EACH WORD BY WORD.
@shininglamb I know what is old testament and whats new the books found in 1945 in egypt you were talking about also has gospal of Mary Magdalan and Petter why dont you Chrsitians add those two becase Mary and Petter saw and live with Jesus but Mark , Luke , Mathew were born even born in jesus live and they live in Turkey never visted to jerusalem bible use to have more then 28 Gospals but we see only 4 of them what happen to other 24 and many other texts about jesus ?
If you know what is Old testament , why did you ask , when I told there was Bible book discovered, which dated as early as 300 BC, is related to gospels? And how could you conclude that just the name bears "Gospel of Peter" means that book belongs to Peter?...There are more than 80,000 books or letters of earliest church fathers (Most are the disciples or of disciples of disciples of Jesus), which clearly says about these 4 gospels.
Matthew , the tax collector, the disciple of Jesus, wrote the Gospel of Matthew, Luke, the physician, wrote acts and gospel and he is the one who is the friend of Paul, who laid the foundation of Church of Rome alone with PETER. Mark is the follower of PETER in missionary activities. John, the disciple of Jesus. So who are you really talking about? These gospels are verified by church fathers in their Letters.
Why should Church includes the gospel 1. Just because it bears the name of any disciple and but not at all attested by the Apostles or their disciples in their letters to church? 2. Teaches entirely different from the teaching of Jesus apostles(many are Gnosticism) 3.Contains historical errors .
@shininglamb If you dont know my friend Peter was Apostle and disciple of jesus him self then why dont christians add his own Gaspol in bible you just said attested by Apostle or disicple and Mary Magdalin was also a disciple of jesus so i think your point is weak on this base.
Would you please tell me , how could you know that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was written by the respective people? Did you find any of those verses from Bible? NO, right? . These are written by the same disciples are only known from the epistles of the apostles and their disciples of those apostles. I am really not surprised that you readily believe in a book, just because it was claimed to be written by those people.
All you are saying is this "Since it contains the name Gospel of Peter and Peter is an apostle of Jesus, it should be included in Bible, no need check the authenticity"..Is this the way, one proves that a book is authentic!!!!!!!?Interesting belief.
Bible gives accurate geologies of Jesus both from Mary and from Joseph, where Matthew gives geologies from Joseph and Luke gives from Mary, that the Messiah comes from the David's line. I think, you are very new to Bible to understand these things. Gospels were written after the death and resurrection of Jesus and after Jesus promised to give Holy spirit, till that time Gospels spread Orally.
@shininglamb One thing any witch is not written can be change over time this has been proven. Now coming back to how can jesus can come from Joseph when Jesus was born with out father ? Are you saying jesus was son of joseph ? and did not born mearical birth. Second thing both dont show Mary both gospals show Jesus the Joseph so how can you say one is from Joseph and one is from Mary i have both open in front of me there no Mary in it.
So at last you are asking genuine questions which is all important. Joseph is the legal father of Jesus, not biological father. All the legal rights are given through the father to son in Israel(check Old testament). Name of Mary is not included, because you will not see a woman name mentioned when talking about ancestral lineage. That is why you would not be able to see name of Mary there.
@shininglamb Islam isn't horrible and if you open your mind and read the Quran you will know that it makes more sense than the bible, the Quran is God's words, the Bible isn't.
About using our own sense in dealing with Holy Book. Solomon says "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;Pro 3:5........As I repeat...the word of God stands for ever...and the scriptures can't be broken...
@shininglamb And i think that what the Pakistans Muslims are doing to the poor Christians is very wrong, our prophet Mohammad (pbuh) would never do such a thing. unfortunately, there are bad muslims that do wrong things, but Islam isn't bad or wrong.
the white stripe on the pakistani flag represents the religious minorities. they stayed loyal to the country through partition and have served in the army, a few christians in particular have achieved distinction in the air force. jinnah made it clear that minorities in pakistan would be protected and muhammad too said that anyone who harms a non muslim citizen of a muslim nationis not amuslim. these terrorists need ot be deported to saudiarabia and leavepakistani society and itschristians alone
im a muslim, born and raised in canada but of pakistani ancestry. as a religious minority in this country, i have never ever faced any discrimination or even any hatred (aside from the genocidal fantasies of a few loons on the internet) from my fellow citizens. if i as a muslim living in a predominantly christian country can enjoy equal rights, any christian in a muslim majority country should be able to do the same. may god bless and protect these poor and innocent christians of pakistan
@Gidz69 all three judaism , christianity and islam have had fundamentalism... christain responsible for the deaths of 6 million jews, countless gypsies massacre of indigenous tribes of south and north america(all done in the name of christ) as well as australia, new zealand ...africa another continent whrere thousand...millions rather of africans killed in the name of christ. there is nothing in koran that forbids building of churches or allows them to be destroyed...show me proof
@kishmish64 Christianity responsible for 6 million jews? are Crazy??? Who told you Hitler & the nazis were christians? thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, either you are brainwashed or completely ignorant.. it was NAZIS responsible for the death of 6 million jews, and the gypsies..the tribes of north America might have been killed by "christians" but NEVER in the name of christ. i am from Africa and the killing thats been done their is by Muslims in the name of allah. Your lies disgust me
@MrFalangist how ignorant are you? When did you ever hear hitler say that he is a christian? you are living proof that muslims are being brainwashed.. and now that were talking about genocide what about ottoman? what about Nigeria? (where muslims say that christians should move or they will kill them? what about sudan where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed in the name of Allah?.. No man has the right to take a life, that belongs to God..And he will punish whoever does it
hitler was a christian doing this but he was not doing this in the name of christianity ,religion was not his motivation he also killed other christian (polish,gypsy's, jewish christians,etc...) and yes turks did a genocide towards armenia 1914 or 15 and 1.5 mill dead armenians, they also did genocide towards assyrias,greece etc..
did you know that during the time of ottoman jews were required to were a david star so people could c they were jews, same with christians. non muslims were 2nd class civilians.
nigeria yes not genocide but slaughterings last christmas a church attacked and christians killed. sudan ... that i call a genocide thank god now they have south sudan and yes they kill in the name of there god !
its even worse u forget about the christians in afghanistan,egypt,lebanon,syria etc..
im a lebanese maronite (christian) our land is stolen by arabic muslims but no one does something against it ! the only ones who helped us (during civil war) was some europeen country's (AMMO) and israel (troops) we are the real lebanese not arabs the same with egypt real egyptins = north (copts) south (black africans) arabs stolen lands from morocco ==> lebanon but no one says something
i got family who died fighting the muslim invaders ! and i hope there will be a second civil war so we can kill every hez bollah member and every invader and traitor its not the christian way but fuck it lets have fun ! muslims are also destroying europe thanks to those socialist dog. in my opinion hitler shouldn't have fought WITH muslims but against them and gassed them !
ow yeah hidden history (muslims were fighting with hitler) bosnian,kroation muslims trained by the mullah
@MrFalangist Indeed! As a matter of fact over a thousand years before Europeans came to Africa, Arabs Muslims, were enslaving them. Just like wealthy African were exploiting poor Africans. Still TODAY, muslims arab descendants have this custom to take other blacker African muslims as slaves. Check, Mauritania, and Sudan!!!
@kishmish64 AS a christian you must never attack, even if you are attacked by someone, God will revenge for us and you will see when christ comes and destroys the anti christ (ISLAM!) and every other religion against Him.. You must repent, and turn away from you lies & sin, because the only way to the father is through the Son, may Christ be with you
@kishmish64 It's people like you. The "moderate" muslim, who lies, ignores, misdirects, diverts and pretends otherwise; that allows this persecution to go on.
You've come here just to play the typical "moderate" game of disclaimer.
Well Christians are labelled as kaffir and they are persecuted because they are not Muslim.
Instead of spreading untruths about how Islam is supposed to be tolerant. When will you accept reality and own up to the imperialism ideology that is Islam.
An atheists and agnostics in Europe help poor Christians, Muslims and Hindus all over the world. No-one helps atheists and agnostics but themselves. It seems we don't need help, even without the 'help' of a god.
@blueray1969 As far a I know, most help-initiatives don't focus on the religion of the people in the region they are trying to help. So don't be a crybaby. It's only muslims and Christians who aim at their fellow believers. Just like they did in the old days. It's what the Abrahamic religions are. Thank god religion isn't that important anymore. At least in countries where they developed themselves in that way. Some big countries, like the UK, India, Pakistan and US still have a long way to go.
@TheDjoetma The UK? The UK isn't a bible0bashing place...most people are agnostic (they might say they are nominally Christian, but being Christened is not the same as being Christian).
@blueray1969 But the UK has it's far amounts of over-religious people who don't seem to get that religion isn't the thing that makes the world go around. Heck, you even have your own church with the church of England. And also a fair amount of Pakistani Muslim fundamentalists who found ground of a over-religous view on life, as some sort of counter-reaction against the Christians.
At least that's what I made of the months I've spend in the UK.
@TheDjoetma ALL countries have religious-types. But you can't define the UK as a religious country. It's officially not secular but in fact it is. There are indeed muslim fundamentalists, because they need something to give them a sense of self. But you may find that in fact there are very few - even though muslim immigration has gone through the roof in teh last 20-years. But that's still a minority of a minority.
@TheDjoetma Not sure about the relevance of the Church of England? We have a Monarchy, but it doesn't make everyone a monarchist. There is indeed a state religion, but it is a state religion in name only. Most people go to church 3 times, when they are christened, when they marry and when they die. That hardly makes the UK a hot-bed of bible-bashers, for example like the US. Where were you when you were in the UK? A city, where immigrants are concentrated?
@TheDjoetma I have a few religious friends, all Anglican. This means their religion is intensely personal and they do not preach or judge other people. Most of my other friends do not even know they are religious. If they did, they wouldn't care either. Religion simply isn't an issue for most people in the UK. There are exceptions, but I think the majority of people have moved on from superstitions.
@blueray1969 I wouldn't say it's as bad as it is in the US. But for a Western country it would be very easy to set the bar that low. I would set the standard as it is in countries like Holland, Gemany, France and Belgium. The English still has a huge drive of 'own identity', nationalism, being something with a right be be more that others just because it is. Very religion-like attributes. Maybe not directly related, but still influenced or strengthened by the home-religion.
@TheDjoetma ok. well in my opinion, it's not especially religious. at all. comparable with other western european countries. As I said the Cof E is irrelevant - that was created as a political reaction to Popery i.e. Spanish and French Catholicism. Most people are naturally suspicious of any and all religions, especially the most aggressive ones i.e. christianity and islam. Which part of the UK did you get this impression from? Which parts did you visit?
@blueray1969 I had a house (well, got it from my employer) in London for a year, and also spend about a month or so in Birmingham and Manchester, half a year in Belfast and ended in Glasgow. My wife is from Londonderry, so I've been there a couple of times also.
@TheDjoetma Well London, Birmingham and Manchester have large immigrant populations as well as descendants of immigrants. Many are hindus and muslims. Northern Ireland is full of bible-bashing Christians who spent the last 50 years terrorising each other (funded by the US). You could not have spent time in places in the Uk that would give you a more jaundiced view I'm afraid. It's like going to Germany and thinking the whole country is like Berlin or Frankfurt i.e. full of Turks.
Why do people attack minority groups? I am not a Christian, and I am not the type of person who would convert to Christianity, but how is it even fair that Muslims teach Christians this way?
@exdelhiwala What's this aggression of many Pakistanis against India? Pakistan in the eyes of the West would get the same status of Afghanistan and Iraq. An Islamist state with people that have an over religious view on life which incapacitates them for rational reasoning.
It's also the reason that so few are willing to help Pakistan when it comes to help you guys out it's the earthquakes and stuff.
Since you are the only ones who look like the Indians, we for a part, don't make a difference.
From the time of the first human being Adam, the father of mankind & his sons & daughters worshiped the only GOD (Allah Subhanaho Wata-allah) Man begun to worship idols and images during the time of Prophet NOAH where the big flood occurred to punish those idiot transgressors who deny their true GOD and listened to evil. All prophets who were given divine books received the divine message thru their own tongue. That's why prophet Muhammad received the last divine book (Holy Qur'an) in Arabic
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aidil389 2 days ago
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@aidil389
Allah is the title of God, not the name. God of Abraham have the name and that is YHWH. Arab Christians uses the title as Allah, not the name, because there is no other word for God in that language. But in Islam the title and name of God is Allah. Hebrew title for God is Eloh and Aramaic is Elah. And when you read Bible and Quran, you can clearly see the difference in the character of God.
shininglamb 2 days ago
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@aidil389
Jesus did claim that he will judge everyone, the authorities of heaven and earth is in him, if anyone ask in his name , he will do it for him. if 2 or 3 people speak in his name, he will be there at the midst. Means, He took everything, which YHWH said about himself in Old testament. And this makes us believe that he come from God and Jesus is the God made flesh.
shininglamb 2 days ago
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Jesus said in Bible that he comes from Heaven. Jesus was virgin born. And Jesus completed prophesies of the Old testament, almost 200 prophesies. The problem is that, Islam even admits there are prophets, but they don't believe in prophesies!!. Read those prophesies of Jesus in Psalms , Zechariah, Daniel,Torah etc.Those can't be fulfilled by a human.And also the claims of Jesus can't be taken as a Joke.
shininglamb 2 days ago
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I heard how Jesus changed other people's lives and I wanted it too.I was a lying stealing cheating arrogant sexually immoral drug-addicted jerk.I knew I was bad and wanted to be good.I asked Jesus to take control of my life;I had made a mess of it.He came and purified my thought-life and heart.I believe the Son of God died for my sins and rose again. Understanding His love I trust Him and give Him control of my life. He transformed me into a new person.Never knew joy like this was possible.
djquiz6425 2 weeks ago
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I said.......I CAN'T GO ON.......but Jesus said I WILL CARRY YOU.
I said.......I AM TOO TIRED.......but Jesus said I WILL GIVE YOU REST.
I said.......IMPOSSIBLE.......but Jesus said ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
I said.......I AM STARVING.......but Jesus said I AM THE BREAD OF LIFE.
I said.......I AM DEHYDRATED.......but Jesus said I AM LIVING WATER.
I said.......I AM GOING TO DIE.......but Jesus said I WILL RAISE YOU UP.
FreedomFighter08 3 weeks ago
Islam a Satan Everywhere!
ambardarlane 3 weeks ago
@ambardarlane Motherfucker, you are a child of Devil.
uzlb81 3 weeks ago
@uzlb81 With those comments I don't have to imagine where you from and who you are...........You all a foul smell.
ambardarlane 3 weeks ago
unfortunately mr. shahbaz bhatti has been assassinated
hiiamca 3 weeks ago
09:11 The Christian lawyer says "Muhammad Peace be Upon Him" - if he didn't he'd go to jail! And it had to be in the minute 9/11... does that mean something?
falangistasiempre 3 weeks ago
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This is so unrealistic. This may be one neighborhood, but this actually doesnt really happen. This classist system was creates through British Imperialism, because they introduced laws into the consitution which actually destroyed rights of minorities, and the government hasnt removed them.
purebloodfreedom1 1 month ago
This is so unrealistic. This may be one neighborhood, but this actually doesnt really happen. This classist system was creates through British Imperialism, because they introduced laws into the consitution which actually destroyed rights of minorities, and the government hasnt removed them.
purebloodfreedom1 1 month ago
Christ Jesus send your Angels to shield and protect my Brothers and Sisters in the Lord. Bless them.
sweet161402 1 month ago
unbelievable and really sad..shame on Pakistan for doing this haraami work on minorities..I am so proud to be in India..we Indian muslims are treated with equal respect along with other religions..thank Allah that i am not in pakistan!!
rabiasaifuddin 1 month ago
fuck paki muiiah shit
steveandon63 1 month ago
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I know we have differences between us in this world but we should never never forget that we all humans are same in the eyes of GOD and even we don't agree with each other religious view we should respect each other and try to love,care ,help and forget hate.... GOD BLESS US ALL to my MUSLIM AND CHRISTIAN BROTHERS AND SISTERS.
skygurung13 1 month ago
So there is a school for christians, which is expensive to attend, however there are christians who can afford it - therefore the minority chirstians are not all living in the slums and are not all poor. There is a minister in government who is christian who takes care of the minorities. Itss sad that they live that way, but every country has their lower class. Making it a story about religon vs religion is stupid. Its ignorance that divides!
crazynwild1984 1 month ago
@crazynwild1984 Are you aware that this IS what ALL this fighting around the whole world is about? religion. It goes back all the way to Adam and Eve.
sweet161402 1 month ago
@sweet161402 its us not understanding the ultimate truth in one God which divides us. Mulsim prostrate, Christinas kneel and Jews sway back and forth... its all to the one God. Its MAN who decides to pick up a gun or to descriminate, not religion. all Abrahamic religions teach to forgive and love everyone. how can you blame religion?
crazynwild1984 1 month ago
the God of Jews and Christians is not the god in islam. If islam never propagates fighting, subjugating, killing then tell me why christians are so persecuted in all islamic countries and societies? Because this is what islam is telling you to do.
PinoyfpsDelaCruz 3 weeks ago 4
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz Finally someone who found out the truth!
falangistasiempre 3 weeks ago
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz The God of Islam and Judaism is the same God. If you want to get technical, then the God/JEsus of Christianity defies everything regarding monotheism. Muslims, Christians and Jews pray and submit to the God of Abraham. Jesus is God according to man. not GOD.
And FYI, learn the bible and history. Islam in spain, 800 years ruling, jews and mulsims lived in peace. When teh crusaders came in they slaughtered everyone. Real Islam allows justice to all people
crazynwild1984 3 weeks ago
@PinoyfpsDelaCruz "Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. * Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them)." (Quran 15:2-3)
crazynwild1984 3 weeks ago
@sweet161402 "Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden (paradise) whose width is that of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous - Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity or in adversity, who restrain (their) anger and pardon (all) men - for God loves those who do good." Quran Chapter 3, Verses 133-134
crazynwild1984 1 month ago
why dont we help theses amazing people inseatd of fucking building mosks in england and donateing money to muslims scum..to be a christain in pakistan the sruggle is hard then u get thses idots in england converting to isam is madness
largertrance21 1 month ago
islams are cruel ...why are they converting ppl .thier religion is going to be full of fakes ..Christians did the same thing .thats why they have like 50 millions sections of Christianity .a powerful religion is when ppl come to the religion if you force them you gonna have slackers isnt about the belief in ppls heart and not the number .what you gonna get with a large # of ppl is ur religion ..nothing..and..i mean pakistan used to be part of india and in india we let them be whatever they want
HIxIMxBLOND 1 month ago
There are muslim that are poor but no real practicing muslim end up in a slum that is filthy as well. This is a sign from God so that these Christians may reflect but unfortunately many of them might die in the state of disbelief aka manworship. Know even Jesus said " The Lord our God is One..." Jesus didnt say I am 1/3 of that god in human form so why do you presume? Specially after knowing the credentials and authenticity of the Gospels. The writers of gospels didnt know Jesus nor the deciples
bewareofdajjal 1 month ago
Islam is an evil way of life and Mohammed was a false prophet, kiddie-fucker. Why the world seeks to appease this monster is pathetic. The time is now to draw the line in the sand and stop these monsters from hurting more innocent people. Including their own peoples.
xraycat30 1 month ago
Many of them are un-educated, they think they hate each other, but they don't, if they get educated then you'll see.
tayyabno10 1 month ago
all answers are here: faustina.ch
0703olli 1 month ago
gOD help our bros in pakistan
Abbadon380 1 month ago
VERY VERY SAD...GOD WOULD NOT WANT THIS..
mujikluva 1 month ago
@mujikluva how true
cj4161 1 month ago
I hope the best for these people curse the Taliban theocratic bastards!
TheYemenight 1 month ago
Religion = A struggle to establish whose magic daddy in the skies is stronger.
vamshiinhell 1 month ago
international media exposed wronly . basically pakistani christian are really very good peoples /
they r friendly loving and caring they r same like muslims tey give respect to islam
PROUD TO THEM
chjvd 1 month ago
so much nonsense!!!!!!!!!!!
Jangara1 1 month ago
remember in the bible it says the kingdom of heaven shall be rewarded to the poor. god does not condemen the believers but merely puts them through tries and tribulations. god is with you my people , persevere and ya shall not regret it..
nabuchiznasar 1 month ago
i wish i cud do something for the minorites...may it be christians, hindus, buddists or other odds like disabled ppl
dannyuow 1 month ago
this is the teaching of muhamad ...no mistake about it ...
olimshalom 2 months ago
muslims are rats the reason why they are the fastest growing religion in the world is because of the birthrates, they breed like rats; fast and like an epidemic and don't forget they are pests hahahaha
vongoladecimo23 2 months ago
just garbage and not true
MrAllad 2 months ago
kill muslims, killem untill them die
00cypress 2 months ago
@00cypress can u kill some body without them dying? lol retard
ironicdevil666 1 month ago
@ironicdevil666 yes i can
00cypress 1 month ago
barking Dog should not be answered............. thats my view about your comment....................... ISLAM will remain alive even after the death of universe.
ranaumarishaq 1 month ago
@ranaumarishaq no, islam will fall down, kuran was written by schizophrenic man who lived in cave and had an idea thet god talk to him, mohamad was an idiot, and now lets make some picktures of mohamad
00cypress 1 month ago 12
@00cypress fuck you
thebunk2012 1 month ago
@thebunk2012 muslim cock sucker
00cypress 3 weeks ago
@00cypress Lets make some porn movie of your MOM, motherfucker, son of a bastard devil, faggot, shithead. I will be happy to fuck your MOM and make sum babies.
uzlb81 3 weeks ago
@uzlb81 suck some christian balls
00cypress 3 weeks ago
@00cypress Hey motherfucker, you are the most ugliest creature crawling on the face of earth, hope you get hit by a truck. Douche bag buy your mom a 7 foot DILDO while im away fucking your sister.
uzlb81 3 weeks ago
@uzlb81 suck christian cock, i hope meka and medina will colapse, xaxaxaxa, death to islam
00cypress 3 weeks ago
@00cypress Your Satanic desires will never get fulfilled. You worship the devil and you belong to his army, always waging war against the peaceful Muslims in the hope that they can sweep away the Muslims, but history tells us that they were never and will never be successful in their plans.
uzlb81 3 weeks ago
@00cypress what should i do give them my money stupid
exdelhiwala 3 weeks ago
@exdelhiwala no just die, freedom from christianity
00cypress 3 weeks ago
this is what muslims do !
when the camera roles they say we love all people we are 1
but when the camera roles they kill and insult people !
also in palestine muslims kill christians and when the camera roles they blame israel
MrFalangist 2 months ago
look what religion has done to this world.....can we all just agree that we either believe in god or we don't and just leave it at that?!?!?
HerbalJah 2 months ago
Ah yes, another fine example of kindness from "the religion of peace". What a joke. We need to wipe every last one of those towel-head terrorists off the planet.
DLarson1083 2 months ago
and that 17 year bitch hsould know that we have athics for non muslims as a subject if they dont want to study islamiat ... this documentary is boiling my blood coz i live here i know facts
mohsinmaqboolranjha 2 months ago
and this is all illegal building in the most posh areas of islamabad .. hypocryts should stop making reports and look for real discrimination
mohsinmaqboolranjha 2 months ago
i hope u people open ur eyes ..or atleast contradict me so that i bring about proof against ur fuking french colony.. pimps.drug dealers .vine market ..this is france colony f-7 markez islamabad..shame on this report is this what jesus taught u is this ur christianity? pimpin.i can present even phone numbers from ur little christian heaven called france colony where they abuse our pakistani law ,.shame shame
mohsinmaqboolranjha 2 months ago
Mirsub1 Yes you are right, agreed.
Burleyson 2 months ago
We need; some wise healers in that area. Maybe someone; who reads both the bible and the Quarn?
1awareness 2 months ago
Its sad that Islamic countries are so terrible towards Christians! This tells you more about the faith then anything.
Burleyson 2 months ago
@Burleyson Blame the people, not the religion.
Mirsub1 2 months ago
A Pakistan christian..... Might as well paint a bullseye on yourself
GeneralG1810 2 months ago
To try to explain truth to him who loves it not is but to give him more plentiful material for misinterpretation.
brennan2185 2 months ago
You all are dumb, Pakistan used to be a part of India but they thought that all the muslim should have their own part which became Pakistan. Now if these people hate it soo much they should move to India. None the less what the Pakistani extremist muslims are doing is wrong
maffia440 2 months ago
Jesus's people are the poor, hookers, drug addicts, alcoholics, thieves, just every kind of sinner. So don't get self-rightous about your faith.
blinds88 2 months ago
Christians have to get back to the roots of the faith taught them by Jesus and His apostles, Mathew chapters 5-7, Romans chapters 5 and 12, and Ephesians chapters 4-6 are just a few passages for us to read and see the teachings God had Jesus give us as a daily guide for us to follow. Love your enemies, don't attack them, bless those who persecute and hate you. Use tribulation to grow your faith and character to increase your hope in God and in Jesus soon return; prepare your hearts and minds.
TheJmpeters 2 months ago
fucking muslim mentality.......pakistan is hell on earth,,,,,
ishaniict 2 months ago
@elisabethkohler33 Bless the Muslims suffering from persecution in America.
RayKalmNiam 2 months ago
@RayKalmNiam
If God gives light , rain, food to everyone without looking their "Religion", Surely God will bless everyone who are being persecuted or being suffered.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@RayKalmNiam
Migrants reaching America is because they are dissatisfied in their own country and saw US is a better country to live on , now what kind of persecution you are talking about?
shininglamb 2 months ago
religion, the desease that needs to be wiped out
teamforteress 2 months ago
@elisabethkohler33 persecution? you gotta be kidding me.
if they are seeing the truth in Islam and reverting to it by their own free will, you cannot call it persecution. God explicitly says in Quran "There is no compulsion in religion". If you want to see real persecution of minorities, dont look far India is next where Muslims and Christians are suffering in mass
innocuoushunter 2 months ago
@innocuoushunter
India. Are you joking?. In India minorities are the one who enjoys the law more than the majorities, where Muslims and Christians are getting job reservations , educational reservations etc etc. More than that India is a democratic country where anyone can reach to any top position, unlike Pakistan where Christians are barred to come into top position.
shininglamb 2 months ago
May God bless these followers of Christ and give the strength to have firm faith on Jesus...Amen
Your reward will be in heaven.....
shininglamb 2 months ago 2
@shininglamb Christians are not followers of prophet Jesus .
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
@Hafsa8660
Little correction:Christians are not the followers of Islamic Jesus who preaches "Love everyone, sacrifice for others" and in the end cheating his followers saying " Who sacrifice for me?, because I am a PROPHET"...Christians are the followers of Jesus of Bible who says "Love everyone, sacrifice for others " and who shows what is sacrificing to everyone by crucifying in the cross.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb There is only one Jesus and he is a prophet but you lie about him, saying that he is son of God.
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
@Hafsa8660 Bible does not lie, nor it does not change. Isa 40:8 The grass withers and the flowers fall, but the word of our God stands forever.", Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away. ,.....Now word of God stands forever. If you say I lies, then you indirectly means Word of God is a liar, God is a liar. So please Don't do big sins unknowingly. Reject Antichrist, accept Christ. Thank you.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb I'm not saying that God Or Jesus Christ are lairs, subhanallah, but God should be the only one to worhsiph and he has sent prophet Jesus to tell people that. But then people changed his religion and then God sent Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) but the Christians, who had the wrong religion, rejected him
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
@Hafsa8660
Sorry. Christians and Muslims had different view for God. For example Muslims believe God can't be come as Human and he can change His words during each time. But for Christians God can come as Human and He can't change HIS words and His words are permanent. Muslims believe God is not weak to become a Human and Christians believe God is not a liar to change His words. No one can believe a human who change his words, forget about God.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb Thank God, I've accepted all the prophets from Adam to Mohammad (pbuh) and the day of judgement God will ask Prophet Jesus, though he already knows; did you, oh Jesus, tell people that you are my son? and Jesus will answer him that he didn't, then what will you answer God when he asks you why you lied about him and his messenger? you seem like a good person, if you truly love God and Jesus Christ, raise your hand up to God, not Jesus, and ask him to guide you to the right path.
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
@Hafsa8660
Merely accepting the name of Prophets does not mean you accept their messages. For example" I accept Muhammad as messenger , but I did not believe his words because it is changed by Uttman and his followers and Quran is not verified by Muhammad when it is written into book". So it is the same as rejecting Muhammad. and this is what you are doing with all the prophets of God.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb You need to check you fects Quran was not written into a book in Uthman's time it was in life of Prophet Mohammad sawas. Do you remember a famouse cote of Umer when he said to Prophet Book of Allah is enough for us what does that mean ? It mean Quran was in shape of Book by the time of death of Prophet Mohammad sawas.
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
I think you should need to recheck again, that it was Utman who compiled Quran after the death of Muhammad and he did so because many who remember Quran, were dying in the battles.And if YOU are correct, then you should NEED to tell me , who wrote YEMENI Quran , which is the oldest Quran found , and has proved significant difference from the present Quran.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb You dont need to tell me about Yameni Quran becase i have seen Quran written by Ali as cosin of Prophet Mohammad so you need to check your fects first. Second People use to come to prophet and leave after some time so they have copies only of that time that does not mean Quran was defrent it mean people use to have 1 chepter or more. People use to have quran as it was coming to prophet uthman recompile it and make like we see today
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
You made the point man. Utman recompile it? Does MUhammad lived in that time when Utman recompied it?? NO...Do Uthman is a Prophet who could know which verses to be included and which Not? NO..What are you really miss the point is , inserting verses here and there will change the meaning entirely, and that is what happened to Quran.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb Ok what ever happen but now Quran is all over One and only from Europe to Indonaisa unlike Bible with more then 73 defrent Version. One more Thing Quran came to Prophet Mohammad sawas and he gave it to his fallowers but Bible has nothing to do with Jesus bible was started after 40 years of jesus and it took 170 years to complete it, Bible even could not tell Geanalogy of jesus who was his father and Grand father even though Luke and Matthew talks about it both are defrent
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
shininglamb 2 months ago
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What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
shininglamb 2 months ago
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@flurto666
What is really happening is that, Quran , which was compiled by Utman, already destroyed many qurans accusing errors? WHY? How can merely a man can decide which is right and which is wrong? And he retained only ONE copy, so when copying from that copy, there is naturally no errors so simple , right?
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
About Bible, versions happening ONLY in ENGLISH and the copies which was written in Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew are STILL preserved today, and the copies are almost 24,500, plus recently discovered copy of Dead sea scrolls in 1950s. So there is NO proof for Bible is changed.If anyone try to change Bible, it will easily caught, because that's the amount of copies (24,500) Bible have in different locations dated as above as 300 BC, means before Christ.:)
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb Ok Mr i think i have to say one more thing have ever heard about Gospal of Marry Magdalene , Gospal of Paul why are not they are part of bible and What about Gospal of Judus. there atleast 28 gospals Missing from modren bible and 300 BC so you are telling me book came first the jesus and 300 years before him. Ok why dont you search videos on this youtube for missing gospals of bible you will find many intersting things
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
You have absolute no Idea for why many Gospels are rejected. Just because a gospel's cover says Gospel of Peter or Thomas doesn't mean, they are authentic. For example, Gospel of Peter is rejected because it has many errors, when concerning historical facts. Gospel of Judas was clearly written b/w 13th and 16th century and that is proved. Hearing Christianity from your scholars are okay, but at-least check, by your own eyes, if they are true or not.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
Bible is a collection of books including Old testament and New testament. The books which as old as 300 BC is found, which Old testament books, like Daniel , Isaiah, not New testament. Don't get confused with Old testament and New testament. Christians believe the same books like Torah, Psalms, and books of prophets, EACH WORD BY WORD.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb I know what is old testament and whats new the books found in 1945 in egypt you were talking about also has gospal of Mary Magdalan and Petter why dont you Chrsitians add those two becase Mary and Petter saw and live with Jesus but Mark , Luke , Mathew were born even born in jesus live and they live in Turkey never visted to jerusalem bible use to have more then 28 Gospals but we see only 4 of them what happen to other 24 and many other texts about jesus ?
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
If you know what is Old testament , why did you ask , when I told there was Bible book discovered, which dated as early as 300 BC, is related to gospels? And how could you conclude that just the name bears "Gospel of Peter" means that book belongs to Peter?...There are more than 80,000 books or letters of earliest church fathers (Most are the disciples or of disciples of disciples of Jesus), which clearly says about these 4 gospels.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
Matthew , the tax collector, the disciple of Jesus, wrote the Gospel of Matthew, Luke, the physician, wrote acts and gospel and he is the one who is the friend of Paul, who laid the foundation of Church of Rome alone with PETER. Mark is the follower of PETER in missionary activities. John, the disciple of Jesus. So who are you really talking about? These gospels are verified by church fathers in their Letters.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
Why should Church includes the gospel 1. Just because it bears the name of any disciple and but not at all attested by the Apostles or their disciples in their letters to church? 2. Teaches entirely different from the teaching of Jesus apostles(many are Gnosticism) 3.Contains historical errors .
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb If you dont know my friend Peter was Apostle and disciple of jesus him self then why dont christians add his own Gaspol in bible you just said attested by Apostle or disicple and Mary Magdalin was also a disciple of jesus so i think your point is weak on this base.
flurto666 2 months ago
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@flurto666
Would you please tell me , how could you know that the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John was written by the respective people? Did you find any of those verses from Bible? NO, right? . These are written by the same disciples are only known from the epistles of the apostles and their disciples of those apostles. I am really not surprised that you readily believe in a book, just because it was claimed to be written by those people.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
All you are saying is this "Since it contains the name Gospel of Peter and Peter is an apostle of Jesus, it should be included in Bible, no need check the authenticity"..Is this the way, one proves that a book is authentic!!!!!!!?Interesting belief.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@flurto666
Bible gives accurate geologies of Jesus both from Mary and from Joseph, where Matthew gives geologies from Joseph and Luke gives from Mary, that the Messiah comes from the David's line. I think, you are very new to Bible to understand these things. Gospels were written after the death and resurrection of Jesus and after Jesus promised to give Holy spirit, till that time Gospels spread Orally.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb One thing any witch is not written can be change over time this has been proven. Now coming back to how can jesus can come from Joseph when Jesus was born with out father ? Are you saying jesus was son of joseph ? and did not born mearical birth. Second thing both dont show Mary both gospals show Jesus the Joseph so how can you say one is from Joseph and one is from Mary i have both open in front of me there no Mary in it.
flurto666 2 months ago
@flurto666
So at last you are asking genuine questions which is all important. Joseph is the legal father of Jesus, not biological father. All the legal rights are given through the father to son in Israel(check Old testament). Name of Mary is not included, because you will not see a woman name mentioned when talking about ancestral lineage. That is why you would not be able to see name of Mary there.
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb Islam isn't horrible and if you open your mind and read the Quran you will know that it makes more sense than the bible, the Quran is God's words, the Bible isn't.
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
@Hafsa8660
About using our own sense in dealing with Holy Book. Solomon says "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;Pro 3:5........As I repeat...the word of God stands for ever...and the scriptures can't be broken...
shininglamb 2 months ago
@shininglamb And i think that what the Pakistans Muslims are doing to the poor Christians is very wrong, our prophet Mohammad (pbuh) would never do such a thing. unfortunately, there are bad muslims that do wrong things, but Islam isn't bad or wrong.
Hafsa8660 2 months ago
God Bless these people, and hope there will be peace!
gimuelgwapo 2 months ago 7
Religion is a sham! God is a figure of fear!
alienkishorekumar 2 months ago
This has nothing to do with Islam. And what the woman said in the beginning is up to one self,i personally don't have anything against christians.
naba313s 2 months ago
the white stripe on the pakistani flag represents the religious minorities. they stayed loyal to the country through partition and have served in the army, a few christians in particular have achieved distinction in the air force. jinnah made it clear that minorities in pakistan would be protected and muhammad too said that anyone who harms a non muslim citizen of a muslim nationis not amuslim. these terrorists need ot be deported to saudiarabia and leavepakistani society and itschristians alone
chaudhry1093 3 months ago
@chaudhry1093 Christians are treated horrible in all Muslim countries
FreedomLover4Ever 2 months ago 4
im a muslim, born and raised in canada but of pakistani ancestry. as a religious minority in this country, i have never ever faced any discrimination or even any hatred (aside from the genocidal fantasies of a few loons on the internet) from my fellow citizens. if i as a muslim living in a predominantly christian country can enjoy equal rights, any christian in a muslim majority country should be able to do the same. may god bless and protect these poor and innocent christians of pakistan
chaudhry1093 3 months ago
@elisabethkohler33 then why dont u go and marry a christian pakistani, or chritian afghani or christian irani and invite them to the west?? ha
SuperOs1000 3 months ago
Speaking as a Muslim: this is shameful . Christains helped in the push fir Pakistan and chose not to leave fir India.
In prophet Muhammad 's last sermon he stated not even one brick can be removed from a church or be converted to mosque.
Shame on these extremeists " Muslims" they should be shipped to Saudi.... Leave Pakistan secular please and stop the arabisatiion of it's culture!!!
kishmish64 3 months ago 6
@kishmish64 in koran stands churches are not alowed to be repaired read the koran correctly and dont write islam is peacefully
bboybroily 2 months ago
@bboybroily please get back to me with proof, which chapter and passage
kishmish64 2 months ago
@kishmish64 stop lying, islam is not a religion of peace
Gidz69 2 months ago
@Gidz69 all three judaism , christianity and islam have had fundamentalism... christain responsible for the deaths of 6 million jews, countless gypsies massacre of indigenous tribes of south and north america(all done in the name of christ) as well as australia, new zealand ...africa another continent whrere thousand...millions rather of africans killed in the name of christ. there is nothing in koran that forbids building of churches or allows them to be destroyed...show me proof
kishmish64 2 months ago
@kishmish64 Christianity responsible for 6 million jews? are Crazy??? Who told you Hitler & the nazis were christians? thats the stupidest thing ive ever heard, either you are brainwashed or completely ignorant.. it was NAZIS responsible for the death of 6 million jews, and the gypsies..the tribes of north America might have been killed by "christians" but NEVER in the name of christ. i am from Africa and the killing thats been done their is by Muslims in the name of allah. Your lies disgust me
Gidz69 2 months ago
@Gidz69
hitler was a christian
the soldiers were christians
not all he had alot of muslim soldiers !
but hitler used the religion
he used them in speeches
but nazisme and the genocide was not done in a religious name
for example if your a muslim who kills non muslims because there non muslim he is a muslim terrorist
BUT if a muslim kills non muslim because no special reason he is not a muslim terrorist
he is a terrorist who is a muslim
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@MrFalangist how ignorant are you? When did you ever hear hitler say that he is a christian? you are living proof that muslims are being brainwashed.. and now that were talking about genocide what about ottoman? what about Nigeria? (where muslims say that christians should move or they will kill them? what about sudan where hundreds of thousands of innocent people have been killed in the name of Allah?.. No man has the right to take a life, that belongs to God..And he will punish whoever does it
Gidz69 2 months ago
@Gidz69
READ MEIN KAMPF !
READ HIS SPEECHES !
there he clearly says he is a CHRISTIAN
BTW im a christian 100% against islam !
difference !
hitler was a christian doing this but he was not doing this in the name of christianity ,religion was not his motivation he also killed other christian (polish,gypsy's, jewish christians,etc...) and yes turks did a genocide towards armenia 1914 or 15 and 1.5 mill dead armenians, they also did genocide towards assyrias,greece etc..
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@MrFalangist = IDIOT
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Adolf Hitler boasted that he told 7 lies each and every day.
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So, you still believe his lies asshole?
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SexyFatimaah 2 months ago
@SexyFatimaah
boasted that no english u dumb fuck !
what ive said is historical correct
DOCUMENTS !
there are for example foto's with him and the mullah
there are records where u hear him talk about religion !
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@Gidz69
did you know that during the time of ottoman jews were required to were a david star so people could c they were jews, same with christians. non muslims were 2nd class civilians.
nigeria yes not genocide but slaughterings last christmas a church attacked and christians killed. sudan ... that i call a genocide thank god now they have south sudan and yes they kill in the name of there god !
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@Gidz69
its even worse u forget about the christians in afghanistan,egypt,lebanon,syria etc..
im a lebanese maronite (christian) our land is stolen by arabic muslims but no one does something against it ! the only ones who helped us (during civil war) was some europeen country's (AMMO) and israel (troops) we are the real lebanese not arabs the same with egypt real egyptins = north (copts) south (black africans) arabs stolen lands from morocco ==> lebanon but no one says something
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@Gidz69
i got family who died fighting the muslim invaders ! and i hope there will be a second civil war so we can kill every hez bollah member and every invader and traitor its not the christian way but fuck it lets have fun ! muslims are also destroying europe thanks to those socialist dog. in my opinion hitler shouldn't have fought WITH muslims but against them and gassed them !
ow yeah hidden history (muslims were fighting with hitler) bosnian,kroation muslims trained by the mullah
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@MrFalangist u speak the truth mate
largertrance21 1 month ago
@Gidz69
you know from with country is that mullah ?
palestine yes the muslim leader of palestine was a good friend of hitler !
muslims all over north africa and midlle east were deporting ,killing,stealing from jews but no one talks about that !
its the muslims who also sold the black african slaves to americans no on talks about that.
europe only talk about the "evil" crusades but no one talks about the fat they did it also to protect christians over there (also for money)
MrFalangist 2 months ago
@MrFalangist Indeed! As a matter of fact over a thousand years before Europeans came to Africa, Arabs Muslims, were enslaving them. Just like wealthy African were exploiting poor Africans. Still TODAY, muslims arab descendants have this custom to take other blacker African muslims as slaves. Check, Mauritania, and Sudan!!!
TheMina31 1 month ago
@kishmish64 AS a christian you must never attack, even if you are attacked by someone, God will revenge for us and you will see when christ comes and destroys the anti christ (ISLAM!) and every other religion against Him.. You must repent, and turn away from you lies & sin, because the only way to the father is through the Son, may Christ be with you
Gidz69 2 months ago
@kishmish64 It's people like you. The "moderate" muslim, who lies, ignores, misdirects, diverts and pretends otherwise; that allows this persecution to go on.
You've come here just to play the typical "moderate" game of disclaimer.
Well Christians are labelled as kaffir and they are persecuted because they are not Muslim.
Instead of spreading untruths about how Islam is supposed to be tolerant. When will you accept reality and own up to the imperialism ideology that is Islam.
tarantinoisahack 2 months ago
this is hardly America bombing out countires to bits!
kasim8t3 3 months ago
An atheists and agnostics in Europe help poor Christians, Muslims and Hindus all over the world. No-one helps atheists and agnostics but themselves. It seems we don't need help, even without the 'help' of a god.
blueray1969 3 months ago
@blueray1969 As far a I know, most help-initiatives don't focus on the religion of the people in the region they are trying to help. So don't be a crybaby. It's only muslims and Christians who aim at their fellow believers. Just like they did in the old days. It's what the Abrahamic religions are. Thank god religion isn't that important anymore. At least in countries where they developed themselves in that way. Some big countries, like the UK, India, Pakistan and US still have a long way to go.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma The UK? The UK isn't a bible0bashing place...most people are agnostic (they might say they are nominally Christian, but being Christened is not the same as being Christian).
blueray1969 3 months ago
@blueray1969 But the UK has it's far amounts of over-religious people who don't seem to get that religion isn't the thing that makes the world go around. Heck, you even have your own church with the church of England. And also a fair amount of Pakistani Muslim fundamentalists who found ground of a over-religous view on life, as some sort of counter-reaction against the Christians.
At least that's what I made of the months I've spend in the UK.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma ALL countries have religious-types. But you can't define the UK as a religious country. It's officially not secular but in fact it is. There are indeed muslim fundamentalists, because they need something to give them a sense of self. But you may find that in fact there are very few - even though muslim immigration has gone through the roof in teh last 20-years. But that's still a minority of a minority.
blueray1969 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma Not sure about the relevance of the Church of England? We have a Monarchy, but it doesn't make everyone a monarchist. There is indeed a state religion, but it is a state religion in name only. Most people go to church 3 times, when they are christened, when they marry and when they die. That hardly makes the UK a hot-bed of bible-bashers, for example like the US. Where were you when you were in the UK? A city, where immigrants are concentrated?
blueray1969 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma I have a few religious friends, all Anglican. This means their religion is intensely personal and they do not preach or judge other people. Most of my other friends do not even know they are religious. If they did, they wouldn't care either. Religion simply isn't an issue for most people in the UK. There are exceptions, but I think the majority of people have moved on from superstitions.
blueray1969 3 months ago
@blueray1969 I wouldn't say it's as bad as it is in the US. But for a Western country it would be very easy to set the bar that low. I would set the standard as it is in countries like Holland, Gemany, France and Belgium. The English still has a huge drive of 'own identity', nationalism, being something with a right be be more that others just because it is. Very religion-like attributes. Maybe not directly related, but still influenced or strengthened by the home-religion.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago
@blueray1969 Of course, by far, most British aren't like that. But too much for such a developed country, are. In my opinion at least.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma ok. well in my opinion, it's not especially religious. at all. comparable with other western european countries. As I said the Cof E is irrelevant - that was created as a political reaction to Popery i.e. Spanish and French Catholicism. Most people are naturally suspicious of any and all religions, especially the most aggressive ones i.e. christianity and islam. Which part of the UK did you get this impression from? Which parts did you visit?
blueray1969 3 months ago
@blueray1969 I had a house (well, got it from my employer) in London for a year, and also spend about a month or so in Birmingham and Manchester, half a year in Belfast and ended in Glasgow. My wife is from Londonderry, so I've been there a couple of times also.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago
@TheDjoetma Well London, Birmingham and Manchester have large immigrant populations as well as descendants of immigrants. Many are hindus and muslims. Northern Ireland is full of bible-bashing Christians who spent the last 50 years terrorising each other (funded by the US). You could not have spent time in places in the Uk that would give you a more jaundiced view I'm afraid. It's like going to Germany and thinking the whole country is like Berlin or Frankfurt i.e. full of Turks.
blueray1969 3 months ago
they are living on illegal property what do you expect we give them land worth 4millionus$
exdelhiwala 3 months ago
Why do people attack minority groups? I am not a Christian, and I am not the type of person who would convert to Christianity, but how is it even fair that Muslims teach Christians this way?
fatfatat444 3 months ago
Pakistan is a joke. So is Afghanistan.
Thevoiceofoz 3 months ago
@Thevoiceofoz no india is
exdelhiwala 3 months ago
@exdelhiwala What's this aggression of many Pakistanis against India? Pakistan in the eyes of the West would get the same status of Afghanistan and Iraq. An Islamist state with people that have an over religious view on life which incapacitates them for rational reasoning.
It's also the reason that so few are willing to help Pakistan when it comes to help you guys out it's the earthquakes and stuff.
Since you are the only ones who look like the Indians, we for a part, don't make a difference.
TheDjoetma 3 months ago