Yahushua vs. Paul... Did they teach the same things?

[ave383]

great video

[kbdory]

when you really look at it, they are teaching the same thing. You are simply over looking the facts. These verses are not wrong, they are not being studied at all(it seems), because if you study them, then they are teaching the same thing, just in a different view.  Go back, read for yourself, do your homework(truly study), and you will see. Peace...

[YoelBenYsryael]

@kbdory First, nobody said the verses were "wrong". secondly reading for ones self and (truly studying) will show that barring some lack of common sense... the teaching are completely different. To say that they are denotes an utter lack of critical thinking skills (it seems)... and that is detrimental to acknowledging things that are simply true... like the complete polar opposites of their teachings.

Peace...

[klubpro]

Saul of Tarsus is a snake, the father of today's "religion" Luke, Mark, and even Peter, the denier, are snakes as well.

[scripturetruthseeker]

Good video thanks for posting it

[NewWorldDestroyer]

You neglected to mention that Peter, James, and the rest of the elders were in ERROR when they wrote that letter.......they changed the Law.

Leviticus 24: 22

"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God."

My question is. if Peter was to be the apostle to the Gentiles, inspired by Christ, how could they so drastically have errored and so soon after Christ supposedly died......with no correction ever from Christ?

[YoelBenYsryael]

I didn't neglect to mention anything. This video was not about Peter or James... it was about Paul's doctrine in comparison to Yahushua's.

Furthermore Acts 15:21 indicates that James made the point that the entire Law of Moses was taught in every city every sabbath day. The letter was not to trouble the newly converted Gentiles but to reiterate some basics that particularly pertained to them. In that light I disagree that Peter, James, and the brethren were in error.

[NewWorldDestroyer]

But you can't stop reading at v21 because they go on to explain....

Acts 15: 24

"Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: TO WHOM WE GAVE NO SUCH COMMANDMENT:"

He is talking about those men in verse 21. Read v22-31....they changed the law because it "seemed good" to them to do. If not, what's the consolation that people rejoiced over in verse 31? What consolation?

[4Romans8]

@NewWorldDestroyer ~ In Acts 15:24 there is no "Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law" in the original text.

It says literally, "Since, in fact, we hear that some coming out out from us disturb you with words, upsetting your spirits, whom we gave no assignment.

[NewWorldDestroyer]

@YoelBenYsryael

Acts 15; 28

28For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you NO GREATER BURDEN THAN THESE necessary things;

29 ...........from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.

Understand what your reading my brotha. No, if you keep only those 4 laws, your not going to do well, very well.......not true. Just consider what Im saying......cuz it is soooo obvious that they changed the law.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Again... my video was about PAUL and I only pointed out what is written in their teachings. Its kind of funny that you admonish me to "understand what I read" but in typical christian apologetic fashion you fail to realize why that scripture in Leviticus (Law given to a sovereign people under no foreign ruler) does not apply to Roman ruled Jerusalem.

In any case it isn't my intention to argue with you.

[YoelBenYsryael]

The letter was to Gentiles in Antioch and dealt with specific issues pertaining specifically to THEM. Idol worship and the like. Again in context James did not negate the Law as he made clear in verse 21.

[yshuaknesset]

@NewWorldDestroyer You should take your own advice, Peter and James didn't say "honor thy father & mother, it would be foolish to assume they were only talking of those 4 commandments.

They did not impose the whole law at one time, the nations are to come to the synagogue and learn what Moses taught and be obedient, after being persuaded in there own mind, not doing the law by the letter but in the spirit. When you 1st received the law were you ready to do the whole Law ?

[lillibeth13]

Yet you provide no evidence to even suggest Paul's writings are in line with Jesus.

It is flat-out delusion.

[lillibeth13]

Yet you don't provide a single line of Scripture to prove that Paul's teachings are in line with Jesus'.

Biases.

[YoelBenYsryael]

watch out for christians who don't know the difference between a lie and the truth. By the way... I'm not a Jew. Number two... even when faced with scripture you cant see that what you just said about Paul vs Yahoshua is not correct. sad.

[cybercopbrazil]

REVELATION 2 , 2 CLEAR AND CLEAN

[whatigottado2]

Shalom. Despite some of the comments I know this a good piece of work. Its made clear. So saying that Pual didnt teach something else means they weren't ready cuz he cleary did. I believe he was false. when I used to read the bible I had funny feelings about reading his "letters" and other writings. good good work brother

[pfunk09221974]

1st the dead in christ shall rise thats in revelation and when Yahushua was sacrificed

I think things are being taken out of context and if you rebuke a profit,,, oh boy

Mat 27:52 and the tombs were opened, and many bodies of the set-apart ones who had fallen asleep were raised,

Mat 27:53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection, they went into the set-apart city and appeared to many.

they sounded dead to me, or asleep as Yahushua would say ;)

[zakuk77]

Paul started preaching more than ten years after Jesus' death and had never actually met Jesus in the flesh. His notion that Salvation is only for those who confess Jesus as the Messiah evolved in the hands of the Roman empire into one of the most oppresive dogmas in history. Millions have died as a result of the Crusades, the Inquisition, the Pogroms, the Holocaust, and the forced Christianization in the Americas;

[petshaw2009]

Ok, here's a stupid question. What about John 3:16. The 'whosoever' part.

Is there Grace? I need it. I've definitly slowed down on sinning and convicted, but man, I need Grace. I Grace teaching false doctrine? Paul talked alot about that. I settled down my guilty conscience with Galations 3!!! I was feeling pretty peaceful. NOw, if it's all wrong....oh man!

[YoelBenYsryael]

thats not stupid at all. To believe on someone doesn't mean to just believe they existed... it means to believe what they taught. Yahoshua taught repentance and made it clear that His WORDS were life. The grace we received was the ability to repent... to recognize our wrongs and turn from them and obey the Father.

[faruk715]

No they did not. Both Jesus (Yeshua) and Paul were jews. But Paul created a new theology which became todays Christianity.

[YoelBenYsryael]

a "Jew" was anyone who converted to Judaism living in Judea, per John Hyrcanus' decree... even if they were not indigenous Israelites. Yahoshua was from Galilee and denounced rabbinical Judaism... and hence was not a "Jew" by either parameter. hence his words about the "lost sheep of Israel" and not "Jews". There is no proof one way or the other about Paul's origins... except his word... but it really doesn't matter one way or another. His doctrine was totally different than Yahoshua's.

[longtalltexan63]

I totally disagree with you. Paul, went everywhere preaching and teaching that the way to Jehovah was through His Son Jesus Christ (Yahoshua)

He was beaten so often that his body was probably disfigured. He was shipwrecked, stoned to death, and more. False prophets seek their own gain, not to suffer for the Kingdom of God. I think your one of these people that loves to simply argue than to walk in peace.

[YoelBenYsryael]

says Paul and those who included more works of his into the "New Testament" than anyone elses. Furthermore Yahoshua taught us to pray not to him but to the Father. Also of note is the fact that before there was ever a Paul, Yahoshua's disciples were given a gospel to preach... and it had nothing to do with His death. You are of course entitled to believe what you will... but Yahoshua spoke the truth regardless of how it disturbed the peace of false teachings. I will strive to do the same.

[faruk715]

There were many jewish sects then like the Essenes, Zelotes, Pharizaes and so on. They had different theologies. But they were all Jews like Jesus and Paul. Todays Christianity begins with the pagan Christians and took its last shape in the 5th Century.

[YoelBenYsryael]

simply put, there were many different people living in Palestine and Jerusalem in particular. They were not all of the same racial origin. Historically they were all considered "Jews" under Jon Hyrcanus during the Hasmonean dynasty. The term simply refers to those living in a specific area in that time period. Christianity as we know it took shape after the council of Nicea... in fact the goal of that council was to come up with the parameters of a unified religion to unify Constantines empire.

[YoelBenYsryael]

you should ask yourself... how is the term "Jew" in the bible when the letter J had not been invented in those days? Yahoshua came to the lost sheep of Israel (Yahudim) who were a distinct group of people... not to the blanket group called "Jews" which included Idumeans and other peoples placed in palestine.during various israelite captivities.

[faruk715]

I think that everyone who accept Jahwe as God and believes in the old Testament is a Jew. But I dont know that those real Jews accepted others in their community eventhough they believed in Jahwe and old Testament.

[longtalltexan63]

Paul did not create anything new. When Jesus Christ shed his blood, the veil of the temple was town in two, signifying a new and a living way. From that point on, Jesus was both sacrifice and High Priest. Through his blood we have access to our Father. That is what Jesus taught. "This is my blood of the new covenant....." It all fits together. Everything in the OT pointed to Christ and that is what Paul taught.

[YoelBenYsryael]

By Paul's own admission he came preaching his own gospel. Any logical person can compare the two teachings and see that they are not the same. I noticed that you support your argument by ignoring what is plain in the video... that when put side by side.. Paul's doctrine is not Yahoshua's. That is a fact... not an opinion.

[kaypry03]

I've been avoiding these video's for quite some time thinking they would be offensive. Wow what an eye opener. Who would have thought? I understand why people in the past were turned off saying that the Word contradicted itself. Well obviously they were right and wrong since it is only the Messiah's Words that matter. I believe I'm gonna have to get busy with many more of your vids & my own study. I thank you for the eye opener. It really gets one to thinking about everything else!!! Shalom

[NoticeOfDefault]

Although Pauls writings may be lofty and at times suspect we should understand Paul said he came to teach the Gentile not the Hebrew and the Apostle gave him permission to some respect to do that consider Acts 15 ... yet he kept running with it ... No need to fault Paul his teaching really was not for the Israelite Overstand

[YoelBenYsryael]

overstand this. Paul's teaching were just plain wrong. They were hardly lofty... and mostly confused. Secondly, He taught there was neither Jew nor Gentile. Thirdly Yashua commissioned the twelve to teach ALL nations before there was a Paul on the scene effectively making them ALL "messengers" to the gentiles.

[SithMage]

Paul was a "jew" or khabbalist/pharisee at one time. i'm not sure what to think of his teachings. Hebrew and jew are not the same thing as per the jewish dictionary.this is why Yahshua called them of their father the devil. khabbalah or tulmadic judaism are not of the Scriptural God. do u agree yoel?

[YoelBenYsryael]

I agree that Hebrews and Jews are not the same... as the term Yahudim later anglicanized to "Jew", came to encompass everyone living in Judea at one time... including Edomites. Having read a great portion of Talmudic and Kabbalistic writings I definitely agree that their "traditions of men nullify the word of God" as Yahoshua said. Paul... He claimed to be a Pharisee but he had none of the logic they are known for. I wouldn't be surprised if he were an egyptian from Alexandria.

[SithMage]

what do u say to the Acts account of annanius telling him to be baptied washing away his sins?

[YoelBenYsryael]

I would say that the account of Acts 9 is not the same as Acts 26... and therefore problematic. Acts 9 mentions Ananias by way of Paul going into Damascus and receiving his sight, baptism, and mission from Ananias.

However

Acts 26 does not mention Ananias because Paul receives his "mission" from "the light" itself.

[longtalltexan63]

So do you disagree with Paul on Romans 10? If you will confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus (Yehoshua) and believe with your heart that God has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved....For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[YoelBenYsryael]

I certainly do. Confessing that "Jesus" is Lord has nothing to do with Yahoshua's message of repentance. For starters "Jesus" comes from the pagan Esus as does human sacrifice as atonement for sin... and the belief in godmen. If you don't know by now that the New Testament was composed by the pagan Constantine you should look it up. The name of the Most High is not Jesus... never was... and Yahoshua did not claim godship either.

[stylist62]

No, He said first to the Hebrew then the Gentile, meaning all of us, Paul could teach the Jew because he was a very devout Jew before his conversion, He Knew the law extremely well, He spent his whole life studying it.He read his testamony

[YoelBenYsryael]

I would have to disagree with your analysis of Paul and his view of the Law. For someone who supposedly was a devout Pharisee... he lacked any of the logic Pharisees were reknowned for. As to his conversion... again... the three accounts in Acts alone are filled with contradictions.

[longtalltexan63]

The Pharisees or many of them anyway of that day, were political hacks. The whole entire trial of Jesus was political crookedness because of their hatred and jealousy of Jesus.

Did you know a few years ago they found the burial box of Ciaphas? One of the skulls in the box had a coin in the mouth, Greek paganism.

[WONDAWOMAN]

hE WAS DEVOUT before his so called conversion... SO PERSECUTING AND KILLING THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS CHRIST WAS DEVOUT!!!!!!!??????? woooooooooooooow!! IF you are that devout, please by all means STAY AWAY FROM ME! Studying the law does not mean he kept it. Why would he then trash it & tell others not to keep it when NO OTHER DISCIPLE PERSONALLY ORDAINED BY THE MESSIAH teach such a thing.. PETER EVEN KEPT THE DIETARY LAW AFTER the death of the Messiah! Did NOT BREAK IT~ Paul's testimony is a LIE!

[WONDAWOMAN]

Soooooo you are saying that God is okay with someone deceiving the Greeks and teaching them falsehood? For what purpose.. I thought Satan was the deciever, not God! Paul is certainly at fault for lying and teaching falsehoods as a self proclaimed apostle! Paul promoted himself & his own doctrine, NOT THE WORDS OF THE MESSIAH! Now you think deceivers should be excused? Jesus warned.. LET NO MAN DECIEVE YOU.. so HE TOLD US not to allow it, now you make excuse for it? COME ON U CANT BE SERIOUS!?

[YoelBenYsryael]

we agree... there are several "suspect" theories in the NT which is why I only concern myself with the words of Yashua. They do not contradict the Law or the Prophets in the Holy Scriptures. you are correct, Yah is not the author of confusion... which is why He gave Yashua the words we need for salvation. To believe Paul or anyone else who came after him with a "different gospel" is to believe that Yashua did not fulfill His mission. That simply is not true.

[YoelBenYsryael]

depends on how you look at it. Do you worship Books of the Bible... or the message of Yah and Yashua? Do you look at OT vs NT or do you look for the message that both Yah and Yashua gave us? Regarding the late timing... did not the prophets fortell of a time when Yah's people would return to his covenant and reject false teachings? Wasn't that near the end? My point is, it isn't about what books it is about what message we are to obey.

[InHISWord2]

Powerful presentation...I am left breathless at this truth.

I always felt some difficulties with some of what Paul preached....You have revealed that he was the first pope of mystery babylon!

I am now left speechless!

[Ramohog]

10* judgement) what Paul said here lines up with James 2: 10 break one, then you break them all. What Jesus said lines up with 2 Cor 2:16 Rejecting Jesus brings judgement.

11* commandments) already handled with eternal life point.

12* Father) Paul chose this as a figure of speach. God told Abraham, he would be a father of many nations. Jesus said he who receives a child in my name receives me. Paul did not have the gospels to study. I'll give you this one if you insist.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Yah'shuah spoke the words of the Father. If you care to actually notice... he adds that the rejection is not only to Him but HIS SAYINGS (words/teachings) as well. The WORD that He has spoken will be their judge. His WORD... those of the Father... was that the Law would stand and to keep the commandments.

As to Paul's lack of literature... that is unacceptable. If his teachings were from Yah'shua then they would not undermine the very words of Yah'shuah.

[Ramohog]

8* Eternal life) Paul is supported here by John 3:16 1 John 5:11. What Jesus said lines up with Phi 3:8 I have suffered the loss of all things. Loosing life to gain it, sacrificing your life Rom 12:1 Acts 20:23... for Christ sake!!!

9* honarable) Paul was referring to scriptures like 1 Sam 2:26 Prov 3:4 Luke 2:25

What Jesus said referred to Gal 1:10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond..

[YoelBenYsryael]

Giving up the things of this life and even family for eternal life would contradict the his prior theology of FREE salvation now wouldn't it? yup.

NOTHING Yah'shuah taught "refers" to Paul. If there are any similarities Paul would be referring to Yah'shuah. You only prove here that Paul taught the Corinthians one thing, and turned around and taught the Romans something else. That does more to damage your "case" than help it.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Truth is consistent. What is true for one is still true for all. Truth does not alter itself to fit its audience. It is quite the reverse.

[Ramohog]

The Bible is consistent, from Genesis to revelation. It just takes understanding.

In all thy getting, get understanding! fortunately we have the Holy Spirit to help us.

What amazes me is that you people hardly ever correct each other. You are almost like Mulslim... afraid to correct eachother out of love.

I truly love you. That's why I'm taking the time to prove otherwise. Hoping that you will repent from this line of teaching, because you are on the wrong path!

[YoelBenYsryael]

I will warn you once and only once sir.

"You people?" "almost like Muslims?" careful man... some ugly colors are starting to show.

You see and hear what you want to. "We People" correct each other whenever we see our brothers/sisters in error. We also accept correction of TRUTH without strife. Unfortunately YOU are in error. I see you side stepped the Matthew/Isaiah issue all the while claiming inerrancy... that is very telling.

[YoelBenYsryael]

what you fail to understand is that based on the teachings of Yah'shuah YOU are the one in error. Yet you blithely defend your faith instead of listening to truth. I don't care that you don't like what I say or that you speak ill of me... they did the same to Him. A servant is not above his master.

You have proven absolutely nothing as ANYONE with two eyes reading this can plainly see... anyone but you.

[YoelBenYsryael]

your problem lies in the fact that you have not "gotten" wisdom... as your knowledge is based on that which is not true. Hence your "understandings" and "revelations" are comparably not true.

[Ramohog]

I do listen to the truth, and I agree with you most of the time. I just think you are missing it with Paul, and therefore attacking that part of the Bible.

They spoke ill of Paul too and still do. He had to endure a lot for Christ sake. Indeed a servant is not above his Master.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Im gonna go out on a limb here and ask you... WHO attacked Paul and WHY did they attack Paul?

[Ramohog]

Who attacked Paul and why? People that teach you can earn your salvation, like God is owing you something. We are saved by grace through faith. Jesus and the aposteles taught it Jh 1:12,13 Jh 3:16, Mr 16:16 Acts 15: 7-11 (Peter's speech) 1 Jh 5:11 James 1: 16-18. To reject this, is rejecting the very essence of salvation. The root watered by the Holy Spirit to bring forth fruit!

[YoelBenYsryael]

The "Jews of Asia" were the ones who attacked Paul. All of whom were avid followers of the Torah... taught by James BROTHER of Yah'shuah. These very same people, Paul complained to Timothy, had turned away from him Interestingly enough, it is to the churches in Asia that Yah'shuah writes His letters through John in Revelations... even commending some for testing those who say they are apostles... and are not.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Through the scriptures Paul is the only one who claims apostleship. 1&2 Peter were not written by Peter and the very 1st scripture partially proves it. Yah'shuah taught them not to call themselves rabbi/teacher/leader but that we are ALL BRETHREN. Peter would not have broken His command. Paul however exalted his office and boasted and in SEVERAL letters claimed Apostleship.

[Ramohog]

What ugly colors? I just keep noticing it when I see your vids and the comments. I'm sorry if it offended you.

Matthew/Isaiah issue???

[YoelBenYsryael]

That term "you people" is USUALLY associated... with people of color in a derogatory manner. That coupled with the Muslim reference right next to it... didn't look very good. In any case if you meant nothing of the sort by it... and even if you did... apology accepted.

Matthew 1:22-23 says the birth of Yah'shuah was in accordance to the "Emmanuel prophecy" of Isaiah 7:14. As someone who knows the truth... do you agree that this is true?

[Ramohog]

I can not say I believe the Emmanual prophecy, but I do believe the Isaiah 9:6 prophecy, and the Isaiah 53 prophecy, don't you?

[YoelBenYsryael]

pump your brakes man. I asked SPECIFICALLY about Matthew 1:22-23 and Isaiah 7:14 as written in the bible. If you do not believe the Emmanuel prophecy then you are admitting to the fact that something written in this INFALLIBLE BOOK is indeed not true. So again, was Matt 1:22-23 accurately depicted as the mirror of Isaiah 7:14?

[Ramohog]

I believe it in a spiritual sence, not literal. For the design of these words is not so much to relate the name by which Christ should commonly be called, as to describe his nature and office. Like described in John 1:14 and 1 Tim 3:16

I also believe Isaiah 8:8 is for-shadowing His 2nd coming, in relation to one of the unclean spirits (antichrist/Gog) in the Armageddon war, and Immanuel coming as a lion of the tribe of Judah crushing the feet of the vision in Daniel 2.

[YoelBenYsryael]

interesting. So then was the rest of prophecy to be spiritually interpreted? I mean seeing as Immanuel was born roughly 700 years ahead of Yah'shuah as a sign to King Ahaz.

[Ramohog]

I do believe almost the entire Bible has literal as well as spiritual meaning. The spiritual part needs to be revealed, that's why it takes understanding. That's the reason why people are spiritually blind.

The O.T. is physical evidence of what is going on in the spiritual realm. The Jewish people could not understand this. That's why they rejected Jesus.

[YoelBenYsryael]

that makes NO sense. More supernatural occurrences occurred in the Holy Scriptures than in the NT and on much larger scales. YHWH literally would travel with the Israelites after sending plagues and freeing them from Egypt, parting the red sea, sending manna, water from a rock, ascending Mt. Sinai... defeating Israels enemies... inhabiting the Tabernacle... I mean come on now. I won't even dignify your latter statement with a response. It has been interesting Ramohog.. but we must now part ways.

[Ramohog]

You have to look at scripture as a whole. You can not pick and choose, twist and turn. Paul's teachings do not contadict, they add to eachother. Like James adds to Paul. It just takes understanding to see the unity of it all.

It only does damage for people that have not received the Holy Spirit, but they are living in darkness and are dead already. I agree that the Christian church is in an apostate condition, as prophecized... Having a form of Godliness but denying the power thereof.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Believe what you will. Yah'shuah was the way the truth and the Life. To believe Paul is to believe that He did not accurately show us that way that truth or the path to that life.

[Ramohog]

I have given you scriptural refference on everything Paul said, and that it was not contradicting with what Jesus or the apostles taught, and still you ignore all the evidence. That is called pride!

Pauls teaching was about the wonder working power in the blood of the Lamb, and how to receive the seal of the Holy Spirit. Everything points to Jesus, and glorifies the Father. What more could he have done? It sad to see how you portay, a great man of God, as a satanic false teacher. It' wrong!

[YoelBenYsryael]

You provided scriptures that prove that Paul taught one thing to one group... and something totally different to others and nothing more.

It frustrates you that u cant "convince" me... but I've already been where you are. Stuck in a dead religion that makes us walk totally contrary to the Most High.

The Law, The Prophets, and Yah'shuahs words testify against those of Paul. not my fault. Again to follow him is your choice... and not a wise one.

[Ramohog]

Paul wrote to different people, because there were different issues and problems to be solved. When you put all of it together and in the right perspective, the it all lines up.

Oh how you love to say that I'm following Paul. I don't. I'm just defending the Bible, as I see how it all perfectly fits together. You obviously don't.

I delight in Yah's commandments, because I see how they are given out of love, to protect us, and I notice the blessings on it. Paul did too, but gets misunderst

[YoelBenYsryael]

1. Regardless of who he was teaching (even though 1John2:17 says those with the anointing/comforter need no man to teach them) the truth is universal. If they followed Yah'shuah's words and kept the commandments... all of their "issues" would be addressed.

Why do you think Yah'shuah never taught about a "church hierarchy"? Because today's Pauline establishments were never what He had in mind.

[Ramohog]

5* Mercy) Paul refers here to scriptures like Ex 14:4 Deut 2:30 Josh 11:20 Isa 6:10 Mth 13:14 and Jhn 12:40 perfectly in line with scripture. Paul was a great teacher of grace and mercy, and thought we should be merciful Eph 4:32, 2Cor 2:10, Col 3:12.

6* forgiveness) Paul was talking here through the forgiveness of sacrifice, that was accomplished by the blood of Jesus. Again Eph 4:32 is perfectly in line with what Jesus said in your comparison!

[YoelBenYsryael]

repost..

Paul was teaching that mercy was granted by The Most High whimsically... which is only partially true as evidenced by Yah'shuah's teachings. HE taught that while mercy is offered to all... the man who chooses to show mercy will obtain mercy. Evident also in "The Lord's Prayer"... "and forgive us our trespasses as we for give those who trespass against us"

The contradiction stands.

[Ramohog]

It does not contadict with Eph 4:32 And be kind to one another, compassionate, forgiving one another just as God has forgiven you in the Messiah.

The mercy scripture you've chosen has other sciptural refferences as posted in *5

Supposed contrdiction resoleved!

[YoelBenYsryael]

I have to laugh at that one... I am sorry. You keep proving ONE point and ONE point only. Paul taught DIFFERENT THINGS TO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. That in itself denotes dishonesty. The truth is true ALL of the time not just some of it dude.

Sorry... contradiction stands.

[YoelBenYsryael]

oh and btw... that scripture is telling people to show mercy it is not instructing them on how to obtain it. It simply furthers the theology that mercy is granted as a divine gift... and not as Yah'shuah taught... given as a result of mercy to others.

[Ramohog]

3* the dead) Paul was talking about physical life and death. Jesus was talking spiritual. Paul also mentioned to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. Also compare Rev 1:5, 20:5 what do we ressurect from?

4* commandments) Paul referred to the 2nd table of the commandments, what we have to do one to another. Like Jesus answered on the eternal life question in 19:18. When you compare these then Paul is perfectly in line with Jesus.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Jhn 11:25 Yah'shua said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

If the comforter dwells in us WHILE WE LIVE... then Paul's hypothesis "to be absent from the body is to be present with The Lord" is incorrect. If one does not possess that spirit they are spiritually dead...

[YoelBenYsryael]

and if the self same person dies without that spirit they do not gain eternal life. If one "dies" WITH that spirit they are not truly dead as they have gained eternal life. Therefore He is not God of the dead (spiritually OR physically).

[YoelBenYsryael]

Rom 13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] ANY other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Your assumption that Paul referred only to the 2nd Table of the commandments, is not supported by his own words. He expressly says "If there be ANY other commandments" which would include ALL of them and not just the 2nd table.

[Ramohog]

John 5:25 Truly, I tell all of you with certainty, the time approaches, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear it will live.

Paul knew and taught like no other that we need to receive the Holy Spirit as an insurance for eternal life. You are twisting his words and intention. That is the work of the devil.

[YoelBenYsryael]

a point already proven. Dead meant spiritually dead... or "without the spirit of truth"... and as I pointed out already... that spirit fell on Pentecost WITHOUT Paul's teachings.

Yah'shuah knew and taught us like no other how to obtain eternal life.

Asserting otherwise is of the devil.

[Ramohog]

Jesus taught it, and His disciples should teach it in His name. That's what Paul did as a follower of Christ.

It is in honor of the Son, and therefore the Father, because it all links to the most High.

The Holy Spirit will reveal additional wisdom, as knowledge will increase in these last days, as prophesized in Daniel.

[YoelBenYsryael]

In Paul's own words he came preaching HIS OWN GOSPEL. To assume that Daniels prophecy meant "additional wisdom" is just that AN ASSUMPTION. The knowledge of what is TRUE is actually increasing. Only when that which is true has been revealed can one truly understand prophecy

[YoelBenYsryael]

Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Yah'shuah: worship God: for the testimony of Yah'shuah is the spirit of prophecy.

The testimony of Yah'shuah... not the testimony of Paul.

[Ramohog]

To say that Paul did not have the testimony of the love of God through Jesus Christ, His son, is ouright stupid. Paul always focussed on God, Jesus and receiving the Holy Spirit

[YoelBenYsryael]

uh huh... sure he was. To him the best way of focusing on The Most High and adhering to His son was to teach contrary to them. right.

[Ramohog]

1*Coming) Compare Rom 13:12 with James 5:8, 1Pet 4:7 1Jhn 2:8,18 It also refers to coming out if darkness into the marvelous light.

Jesus mentioned time is at hand, not day is at hand.

2* Word) Jeus referred to the written Word and the spoken word by Him (logos)... the Word made Flesh. Paul referred to the rhema Word from the Holy Spirit... revelation knowledge. Hard to understand when you don't have the Holy Spirit and spiritual discernment. Mth: 11:25, 13:11, 16:17 The sheep will hear...

[YoelBenYsryael]

James was

1 the brother of Yah'shua

2 taught the SAME doctrine as Yah'shuah

and therefore would actual merit belief in his statements. Paul did not.

1Peter was neither written nor dictated BY Peter but was the Greek workings of Silvanus with several reworked Paulian scriptures not even cleverly inserted.

your nitpicking of "time" or "day" notwithstanding...

[YoelBenYsryael]

The word whether Logos or Rhema does not contradict itself as it is of the SAME spirit... TRUTH. While the slight of hand you inserted in the latter portion of your commentary isn't lost on me... I find it "interesting" that someone who still believes that the entire Bible is The Word of The Most High... EVEN in the face of errancies like Matt 1:22-23 supposedly being fulfillment of Isaiah 7:14 when it clearly does not... would presume to lecture ANYONE on truth... but I digress.

[Ramohog]

It is really sad to see how you lack understanding. You take scripture hopelessly out of context and therefore you keep missing the points. You are attacking God's Word and a great man of God. You are so missing it, and you are totally blocked because of ignorant head knowledge. I could easily prove you wrong on all points, but you seem to be on an obsessed mission for your own destruction!

[YoelBenYsryael]

Cmon man... don't lie. I took nothing out of context. I quoted scripture for scripture AS THEY ARE WRITTEN. If you feel you can provide and accurate rebuttal... DO SO. Truth is, you cannot do so based in scripture, and that frustrates you. I worship the Most High and I obey Yah'shuah who spoke His words. Through the Law, the prophets, the psalms The 12 true Apostles and The Messiah we were given all we need for salvation... and they all say the same thing. Paul does not. Simple.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Now I know "head knowledge" is the enemy to you. In Christianity we are to all be obedient muppets to Pastors who were never sanctioned by Yah... who do not use the brain Yah gave us. That is FOLLY. He tells us that Wisdom is the PRINCIPLE thing along with understanding. He does not revel in the ignorant or foolish. You despise "head knowledge" because it involves COMMON SENSE. In this video all you need is COMMON SENSE to realize that they did not teach the same thing.

[Ramohog]

Headknowledge is where is starts, but only headknowledge is foolishness unto God. The Holy Spirit searches the depths of God, and reveals some of His infinate wisdom. That's what the Holy Spirit does through the rhema word a.k.a. revelation knowledge. That's what will lead you into all truth, and also reveals God's plan for your life. Using your God given talents as a blessing tool for others. This way God can use you as a blessing funnel. This is what gives you the abundant life of John 10:10

[YoelBenYsryael]

TRUTH is the spirit of prophecy. TRUTH is where it starts. you cannot honestly be getting "rhema revelations" and be transformed int to "blessing tunnels" evidenced by "glory clouds" and the like... if your foundation is not built in truth in the first place. Understanding what is true and what is not; is the basis for any revelation.

[Ramohog]

It starts with knowing that He is and seeking Him by reading His Word. The Holy Spirit will give you understanding, and your obedience will qualify you for the rhema Word of God, followed by obedience again. This qualifies you for becoming a blessing channel, but it will take years of obedience. First through logos and then through rhema. Paul went through these fases, and his obedience qualified him for revelation.

[YoelBenYsryael]

phases eh?

Jhn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

This AGAIN was before there was ever a Paul teaching anything... and the words that would be brought to our remembrance were uttered BEFORE Paul's supposed gospel.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Now unless you are trying to convince me that Paul is the comforter... there is a problem here.

1Jhn2:[27] But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

[Ramohog]

Paul had the Comforter, and was experienced in it. When all is perfect, then we indeed don't need any teachers, but there is a devil loose to deceive many. Why did John even write his letters? It is for our reproof, so we can line our thinking up with God's Word, as we grow in knowledge and understanding. Or are you saying your wisdom is equal with God, as soon as you got born from above. I believe sanctification and gaining wisdom is a process, as we receive more insight in God's Word and plan

[YoelBenYsryael]

interesting. Yah'shuah mentioned nothing of "comforter school" in the scriptures. He said what the comforter was and what He came to do. Men like Paul usurped the position of the Comforter by leading people to believe THEY can teach it better that the Comforter himself can. As John states the same anointing lies in all of Yah'shuah's followers and we need that no man teach us. The letter was written BECAUSE of men who were attempting to.

[YoelBenYsryael]

Which makes me really think for a moment. The Major biblical Players of the "New Testament" were spoken of by the Prophets. Like John the Baptist and Yah'shua. Yah'shuah then commissioned the 12 to teach what He taught NOT to interpret it... and then spoke finally of the Comforter. Why is it that Paul who was the GREAT Apostle to the Gentiles was never mentioned? His words in the NT outnumber the Messiahs HUGELY in the NT and have shaped "christianity". Why was he never mentioned?

[Ramohog]

Why was Paul never mentioned? Because after Jesus finished work, everybody who is filled with the Spirit of God is able to hear from God. It just depends on your obedience, how much God will reveal to you. First through the written Word, and then through the revealed Word. What did God tell you to do lately? Can people see His presence on your life?

Every great man or woman of God receives a personal assignment, revealed by the Holy Spirit. Do you hear His voice?

[YoelBenYsryael]

nice theory but not Biblically sound. He will do nothing unless He reveal it to His prophets first. Paul was not revealed to His prophets because his works are not those of The Most High. Their words and Yah'shuah's are a testimony against him. I hear Him loud and clear. His words were the same yesterday, today and forever. They say: KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS AND LIVE. His words will be our judge on the last day. You would do well to remember that. Stop following a religion and follow Him.

[newfish09]

then thats why paul was tortured by demons

but how did he do miracles in jesus name?

[YoelBenYsryael]

Mat 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

[newfish09]

so paul really was evil, so why do so many refer to his writing as with others?

[YoelBenYsryael]

The adversary is cunning. What better way to distort the truth than to infiltrate the very book the truth is in? People have been deceived because they look to MEN instead of YAH for truth. They sit in churches and their pastors milk them for all they have... and scare them with fear. Yah warned us to "COME OUT OF HER".

[newfish09]

what about the apocrypha?

[YoelBenYsryael]

Some is relevant some is not. One of the main apocryphal books that was referenced even in the Scriptures was Enoch. Another was the book of Jasher.

[PrinceWalter]

Mark 9:38-40.

[Ramohog]

Yeah, but the Comforter continues to be very active right until know, and boy do we need Him, as the time is at hand (say what!?!)

I do truly think our generation will see the 2nd coming. All the signs are there and the stage is set. Don't you think so?

We should come together, as Christ followers, and form a force that no one can deny. We are facing hard times, but I rejoice to see what is on the other end when we endure. HalleluYah!

[YoelBenYsryael]

I agree that the comforter is very active right now. I also believe that true believers in Yah'shuah need to really make sure they are following His words. It definitely seems as if this generation will see the prophecies fulfilled... which makes it imperative that we heed His commands... as it will be His words that judge us in the end. I also believe per scripture that what the Day of The Lord entails will be A HUGE surprise for a lot of people.

[Ramohog]

Totally agree. It will come as a surprise for those who walk in darkness, but not for the children of light!

[YoelBenYsryael]

I agree.

Amo 5:18 Woe unto you that desire the day of the LORD! to what end [is] it for you? the day of the LORD [is] darkness, and not light.

[Ramohog]

"Can not correct based on scripture."

I can and I will, just because I love your zeal for God.

I'll comment on every given point.

[YoelBenYsryael]

have at it.

[fortruthandlove]

Qualifications for apostle: Acts 1:21 Wherefore of these men which have companied with us all the time that the Lord Jesus went in and out among us Beginning from the baptism of John unto that same day that he was taken up from us, must one be ordained to be a witness with us of his resurrection.

[PrinceWalter]

That is a qualification for "one of the twelve".

[fortruthandlove]

And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets? 12 And one of the same place answered and said, But who is their father? Therefore it became a proverb, Is Saul also among the prophets?

1 Sam 10:11-12 (KJV)

That's the question I ask concerning this last Shaul is he also among the prophets?