@yann27 Most high quality headphones offer very good bass response. For example the KRK KNS6400 and KNS8400 studio headphones. There’s no substitute for mixing on high-quality monitors in a well treated room, however sometimes this ideal scenario is not possible; we might be on a train, in a plane or simply at home late at night not wishing to disturb anyone. VRM allows you to make critical decisions on your mix, knowing for certain that it will translate well in many environments.
You know whats funny? Most people aren't listening to music on studio monitors. Most of them are using cheap earbuds and laptop speakers. So why aren't we catering our mixes to that mostly, since that's what most people who are buying the music use...?
Before Im crucified--I still think its better if listeners would get a clue and start using higher quality headphones so they can hear what we've been mixing to for all these years and hear the music the way its meant to.
@ShivaTheAuspicious Even with cheap earbuds or bad spakers in mind, the mix should be done in better equipment for a few reasons such as headroom quality or RMS. A good example is a poorly designed low end will mud the sound on a laptop even though it has almost no low end.
Love the concept, but why is the VRM box necessary? Why can't I just plug my headphones into the output of my already high quality Edirol mixer, and just use the software? I really don't want the hassle of setting up yet another output box with drivers.
Is there some kind of info on the various speakers and what they 'tend to do' and which set is best for mixing which part of the mix, or if you are using 'speakers set A' then you want to get the mix soundimg 'blah blah' I was alwsys under the impression that 'if you get the mix sounding good on the NS10's then it will sound good everywhere'
@MigoiMusic The idea is that the mix should translate on all different speakers. It's probably best to mix using the monitors in the professional studio and check your mix on as many as the monitors as possible before committing to bouncing the track.
@MigoiMusic The extended frequency response is good and the flatter the frequency response the more authentic the VRM effect will be. Some DJ headphones tend to have an emphasised bottom end so it's worth checking this with the specification.
@FocusriteTV yeah mine are quite bassy... whenever I try mixing in them and try te mix out in teh car (which I'm very used to and know what sounds good) it's like a bomb has gone off and I almost have to mix teh track in my headphones without really hearing teh bass to know that it translates to 'the car' ok...
@MigoiMusic P.S. I'm doing an audi production course with Dubspot, just started but need to be able to produce and mix in my headphones due to neighbours and children sleeping etc... I think I may have to switch headphones as the Technique have intended enhancemenst on the bass I think, even now I have teh VRM it sounds a bit bassy still... what are your recomendations for the perfect partner to your VRM box ?
Hello, after doing some intense research in trying to find a solution to mix/master at home, I have just purchased the VRM Box that will be coupled with the Denon AH-D2000 studio headphones. Please inform me if this purchase is a good reference for mixing/mastering. Or, if there are in the same price range, headphones that are a better reference. As far I know/read, the Denon's are what I am looking for for mastering. Let me know if I am correct? Thanks!
Hello, I'm thinking of buying some VRM-enabled hardware from you pretty soon, I was wondering: I own a pair of Grado SR325 headphones. Now these are very expensive and wonderful headphones, but they're more geared towards hi-fi rather then music production/mixing. Never the less, they have a precise sound, so I was wondering how well they would work with you're products?
@HalSamuel The authenticity and efficacy of the VRM effect will depend upon the flatness of the frequency response of the headphones. I tried to look up the frequency response of these headphones on the manufacturers website but couldn't find the information readily. It might be worth contacting the manufacturer directly to find out this information.
@FocusriteTV Thank you for the quick response, I'll certainly contact them by email. Another question that occurred to me. Not considering the benefits of VRM, how high quality is the box's headphone output? I wondered about this because I own an Apogee Duet, which has a very nice headphone output, and I don't want to replace it's use in my mixing if I gain in one area and lose quality in another.
@junkyardgroovemusic Yes. This uses CoreAudio drivers on a Mac and WDM and ASIO drivers on PC. As such, it will work with any DAW which supports these drivers such as Presonus Studio One
What about AKG K271 headphones? I've also got Sennheiser HD-25, but I doubt they are as neutral as the AKG's (and less comfortable, hehe)
In future updates, why don't you screen the most popular headphones, as the ones I'm using - and let the user also specify the listening source, in order to adjust for eventual deviations?
@flowflash Both the Saffire Pro 24 DSP and the VRM box have ASIO, WDM and CoreAudio drivers so can be used in any DAW that supports these types of drivers. The only hardware that you need is a device with VRM and a good pair of studio headphones. The flatter the frequency response of the headphones the more effective the VRM will be.
awesome, really like this demo vid... i think you have just persuaded me to buy it.... im mixing on Sennheiser HD 25 ii but cant afford KRK's at the moment, so i think this is a suitable alternative!
Is the entire program, aside from the VRM, Focusrite's MixControl? If so, how easy is it to use? I'm debating between a Saffire Pro 14 w/ MixControl or Line6 Toneport UX2 w/ Ableton Live 8, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
@1RevvinFC3S Yes, apart from VRM, (which is not included in the PRO 14's spec) Saffire Mix Control provides an 18 x 6 DSP mixer with excellent routing flexibility, intuitive one-click configurations, and lower than 1.4ms latency (less than the time it takes sound to travel two feet through air!). For more assistance please contact support and we can help you as best as possible.
Interesting one, I think, Speakerphone program can also do the same thing, and it was released some time ago. The only problem with VRM here is the fact that all the headphones sound different, and most of them are not suitable for mixing, so this change of environment will sound different on different headphones and can confuse your ears. Only people who get used to their headphones in time and already have done successful mixes with them, can benefit here.
how can this work ??? you'll never be able to get the same bass in headphones as from monitors ?
yann27 2 months ago
@yann27 Most high quality headphones offer very good bass response. For example the KRK KNS6400 and KNS8400 studio headphones. There’s no substitute for mixing on high-quality monitors in a well treated room, however sometimes this ideal scenario is not possible; we might be on a train, in a plane or simply at home late at night not wishing to disturb anyone. VRM allows you to make critical decisions on your mix, knowing for certain that it will translate well in many environments.
NovationTV 2 months ago
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yann27 2 months ago
I still don't understand how this is truly supposed to work if you have a crappy set of monitors or mixing headphones.
Good idea, but if you cannot model the output based on what you are monitoring on, it doesn't matter.
pughtube08 2 months ago
Has anyone tried the Pro 40 with a pair of Rogers LS35A's ?
LogicNReasonMan 5 months ago
You know whats funny? Most people aren't listening to music on studio monitors. Most of them are using cheap earbuds and laptop speakers. So why aren't we catering our mixes to that mostly, since that's what most people who are buying the music use...?
Before Im crucified--I still think its better if listeners would get a clue and start using higher quality headphones so they can hear what we've been mixing to for all these years and hear the music the way its meant to.
ShivaTheAuspicious 5 months ago
@ShivaTheAuspicious Even with cheap earbuds or bad spakers in mind, the mix should be done in better equipment for a few reasons such as headroom quality or RMS. A good example is a poorly designed low end will mud the sound on a laptop even though it has almost no low end.
piano25 5 months ago
love that song spaceman!
bpm100 5 months ago
Love the concept, but why is the VRM box necessary? Why can't I just plug my headphones into the output of my already high quality Edirol mixer, and just use the software? I really don't want the hassle of setting up yet another output box with drivers.
audiotrax2000 7 months ago
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PETKKKO 7 months ago
Good job on getting Richard Ayoade to do the commentary! Thumbs up!
alfredoguy 8 months ago
Is there some kind of info on the various speakers and what they 'tend to do' and which set is best for mixing which part of the mix, or if you are using 'speakers set A' then you want to get the mix soundimg 'blah blah' I was alwsys under the impression that 'if you get the mix sounding good on the NS10's then it will sound good everywhere'
MigoiMusic 8 months ago
@MigoiMusic The idea is that the mix should translate on all different speakers. It's probably best to mix using the monitors in the professional studio and check your mix on as many as the monitors as possible before committing to bouncing the track.
FocusriteTV 8 months ago
@FocusriteTV Can i use my Fcousrite interface with Pro Tools?
BMUSIK101 2 days ago
I have a pair of Technics RP-DJ1210 - Frequency response 8Hz-30kHz... any good ?
MigoiMusic 8 months ago
@MigoiMusic The extended frequency response is good and the flatter the frequency response the more authentic the VRM effect will be. Some DJ headphones tend to have an emphasised bottom end so it's worth checking this with the specification.
FocusriteTV 8 months ago
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MigoiMusic 8 months ago
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@FocusriteTV yeah mine are quite bassy... whenever I try mixing in them and try te mix out in teh car (which I'm very used to and know what sounds good) it's like a bomb has gone off and I almost have to mix teh track in my headphones without really hearing teh bass to know that it translates to 'the car' ok...
MigoiMusic 8 months ago
@MigoiMusic P.S. I'm doing an audi production course with Dubspot, just started but need to be able to produce and mix in my headphones due to neighbours and children sleeping etc... I think I may have to switch headphones as the Technique have intended enhancemenst on the bass I think, even now I have teh VRM it sounds a bit bassy still... what are your recomendations for the perfect partner to your VRM box ?
MigoiMusic 8 months ago
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utoob3r 7 months ago
I need this asap!!!
kbyer 8 months ago
can i use and audio interface and this a the same...????
XChrisHX2012 9 months ago
@XChrisHX2012 Yes, if you're interface has a S/PDIF output. There is an article on how to achieve this on our answerbase.
FocusriteTV 9 months ago
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PETKKKO 7 months ago
Incredible!
ElectricFarmerCh 9 months ago
@Spectra1Beats I'm using the Senn hd380 I think they work well for my taste. Some people may recommend something with a flatter response.
atakmuzik 9 months ago
wohoo!! Finally got my Focusrite yesterday for $250 :D
powelrainbow 10 months ago
Thank you so much. This will save me so much time and money with all the boombox/Car Stereo Checks. What an ingenious idea! Can't wait to purchase.
markiemark8585 10 months ago
i'm planning to buy the vrm box version. i have a fostex t50rp and shure srh440 cans. what do you think?
aut0ceremony 10 months ago
What a great idea
GoodOmenMusic 10 months ago
Hello, after doing some intense research in trying to find a solution to mix/master at home, I have just purchased the VRM Box that will be coupled with the Denon AH-D2000 studio headphones. Please inform me if this purchase is a good reference for mixing/mastering. Or, if there are in the same price range, headphones that are a better reference. As far I know/read, the Denon's are what I am looking for for mastering. Let me know if I am correct? Thanks!
ReferencesRStupid 10 months ago
Hello, I'm thinking of buying some VRM-enabled hardware from you pretty soon, I was wondering: I own a pair of Grado SR325 headphones. Now these are very expensive and wonderful headphones, but they're more geared towards hi-fi rather then music production/mixing. Never the less, they have a precise sound, so I was wondering how well they would work with you're products?
Thank you.
HalSamuel 11 months ago
@HalSamuel The authenticity and efficacy of the VRM effect will depend upon the flatness of the frequency response of the headphones. I tried to look up the frequency response of these headphones on the manufacturers website but couldn't find the information readily. It might be worth contacting the manufacturer directly to find out this information.
FocusriteTV 11 months ago
@FocusriteTV Thank you for the quick response, I'll certainly contact them by email. Another question that occurred to me. Not considering the benefits of VRM, how high quality is the box's headphone output? I wondered about this because I own an Apogee Duet, which has a very nice headphone output, and I don't want to replace it's use in my mixing if I gain in one area and lose quality in another.
HalSamuel 11 months ago
does it work with like say.. in ear monitors?? specifically m-audio ie 30. pls some one help me.
KaiDune 11 months ago
@KaiDune Yes this will work with in ear monitors and headphones.
NovationTV 11 months ago
I would invest in this if it was software only. Dont really want to get a piece of hardware as as dongle to use this technology.
KCJacksonMuz 1 year ago
Does it work with Studio One pro DAW ??
junkyardgroovemusic 1 year ago
@junkyardgroovemusic Yes. This uses CoreAudio drivers on a Mac and WDM and ASIO drivers on PC. As such, it will work with any DAW which supports these drivers such as Presonus Studio One
FocusriteTV 1 year ago
Hey!
What about AKG K271 headphones? I've also got Sennheiser HD-25, but I doubt they are as neutral as the AKG's (and less comfortable, hehe)
In future updates, why don't you screen the most popular headphones, as the ones I'm using - and let the user also specify the listening source, in order to adjust for eventual deviations?
velvetpearls 1 year ago
It would work fine on a Beyerdynamic DT880 Pro?
betospsk 1 year ago
@betospsk Yes, the VRM should work well on these headphones since they are high quality studio headphones.
FocusriteTV 1 year ago
Great vid! Do you need other hardware? Or ia the VRM enough? I mean can I use it in ANY DAW? many thanks!
flowflash 1 year ago
@flowflash Both the Saffire Pro 24 DSP and the VRM box have ASIO, WDM and CoreAudio drivers so can be used in any DAW that supports these types of drivers. The only hardware that you need is a device with VRM and a good pair of studio headphones. The flatter the frequency response of the headphones the more effective the VRM will be.
FocusriteTV 1 year ago
@FocusriteTV A device with VRM? You mean for example the BOX. So Laptop/Desktop + VRM Box + Good Headphone = Enough to go! Right?
flowflash 1 year ago
awesome, really like this demo vid... i think you have just persuaded me to buy it.... im mixing on Sennheiser HD 25 ii but cant afford KRK's at the moment, so i think this is a suitable alternative!
Dymond200 1 year ago
Is the entire program, aside from the VRM, Focusrite's MixControl? If so, how easy is it to use? I'm debating between a Saffire Pro 14 w/ MixControl or Line6 Toneport UX2 w/ Ableton Live 8, so any assistance would be greatly appreciated!
Cheers!
1RevvinFC3S 1 year ago
@1RevvinFC3S Yes, apart from VRM, (which is not included in the PRO 14's spec) Saffire Mix Control provides an 18 x 6 DSP mixer with excellent routing flexibility, intuitive one-click configurations, and lower than 1.4ms latency (less than the time it takes sound to travel two feet through air!). For more assistance please contact support and we can help you as best as possible.
NovationTV 1 year ago
@NovationTV Thank you very much! I appreciate the info.
Cheers
1RevvinFC3S 1 year ago
i love the concept...
hoovoo 1 year ago
Interesting one, I think, Speakerphone program can also do the same thing, and it was released some time ago. The only problem with VRM here is the fact that all the headphones sound different, and most of them are not suitable for mixing, so this change of environment will sound different on different headphones and can confuse your ears. Only people who get used to their headphones in time and already have done successful mixes with them, can benefit here.
SagasLT 1 year ago
I use it alot and find it so useful, especially on the road :)
piano25 1 year ago