Black Powder Flintlock Pistol

[PhilPiburn]

This is a custom pistol made by Rob Lewis of Ohio. It is the kind we shoot

at the NMLRA Nationals at Friendship Indiana. Everybody shoots these type.

It's main use is for competition. If someone wants to shoot more traditional

type looking you can. There are matches for those type.

[xzqzq]

Snappy looking pistol.  Where do you buy one ? Or do you assemble it from a kit ?

[Wad12br]

It's not exactly in the spirit of the origonal is it?

[XeonTalson]

whoa is that a custom job? i've never seen a flintlock model like that before.

[KRWoodworks]

Why is the lock on backwards?

[PhilPiburn]

It is made out of modern steel, yes. But the design is still the same. Loads the

same, shoots the same as would a 200 year old.

[HomeMadeGunNut]

Why own a flintlock if its a modern one?

[capoteo96]

whats the whole point of the flintlock now? lol

[vlkvojak]

@capoteo96 Well if you really hate someone, something that can shoot a 75 cal bullet is nice to keep around. Just saying...

[vlkvojak]

@capoteo96 Oh, and as Unrealism64 said, you don't need a license. Also a plus if you hate someone. AND it's not rifled, so if I'm not mistaken, there's no way to trace the bullet.

[MrShamelessone]

@capoteo96 point is its great for guys who hunt but dont want to or cant get permits to own modern firearms because of a past criminal record (NOT speaking from experience) but still want to hunt ,or just dont want to do all that paperwork ,there's also a complete hunting season for just black powder rifles and those guys that do the old school mountain man shooting like myself....Theres a whole society of people that centers around these guns and the 18th and 19th century

[capoteo96]

@MrShamelessone Well thats convenient!

[MrMKH2010]

AFT does not classify Black Powder firearms as weapons. Anyone can buy a handgun or long gun online and have it delivered directly to their home. Some online sellers such as Military Heritage sell their guns without the flash hole drilled so that the shipping comapny does not complain. Others like Middlesex Villiage Trading just ship the gun right to you ready to clean and fire.

[xzqzq]

@MrMKH2010 I've been shooting BP for 25 years, at least in part because of the lack of annoying paperwork requirements.

[stevensonbak]

That is quite an interesting flintlock pistol design....

It must be modern made?

[PhilPiburn]

Yes, in compentition shooting there are several.

[SeriosProductions]

@PhilPiburn Is there any benefit to having the lock backwards?

[paul47ist]

is there a difference in loading this gun than a regular flintlock if there is please tell me

[PhilPiburn]

@paul47ist It loads the same. We use it for the most serious

competion. The load is 17 grs Goex FFF Black Powder, .010

patch and "0" Buckshot which is .323. This is a .32 cal.

[TerminatorFRA]

Awesome job, well done, the only lack is the small caliber but it seems to be ridiculous to call that a lack because when you know how to build that one, a bigger barrel isn't more difficult to put on it.

[Nwest82]

@TerminatorFRA never underestimate smaller calibers even a .17HMR or a .22cal round is very deadly, the only difference is that there is less "knock-down" power. But .32 and .22cal is an ideal caliber when competition shooting.

[TerminatorFRA]

@Nwest82 Of course .22 is deadly when shot in the head or heart, ONLY.

Bigger caliber = deadly even when hitting not in critical parts.

Why not using .22 LR for hunting wild boars or bears? lol

[Nwest82]

here in Canada we can only have Flint-lock or Match-lock "Rifles" A pistol is a pistol in Canada and requires an R-pal, shitty! I plan on just buying the lock with the frizzen pan, (Legal). then make my own barrel out of seamless high pressure tubing. Then buy the pistol grip that fits the lock, (or carve my own). Then install the barrel to the pistol grip after I drill a small hole at the breech end of the barrel for the frizzen powder to ignite the charge, ;-)

[ozmanofpeace]

@Nwest82 why not make your own lock? can't be that hard if you can make the barrel...

[Nwest82]

@ozmanofpeace yeah it likely wouldn't be too hard to build my own, I would just want to make sure that the lock will work flawlessly every time, (ie: ignition every time and no misfires).

[TheShadoman123]

@Nwest82  do u have a video u can post i agree the laws out hear are pretty shit

[Nwest82]

not too sure if I should post a video of anything thats illegal in this country as it gives the police a 1 way ticket to get a warrant and raid my house. They already did, took all of my long guns and laid a bunch of bogus charges on me. I will however make a video of a flint-lock "rifle" when I get around to building one. For now I'm working on a little Derringer pistol that will use only a 209 primer or a #11 percussion cap to fire a .177 or .22 cal pellet /round ball, (legal w/o a R-PAL)

[lordlen8972]

weird nvr seen a flintlock like that b4

[darryl360]

It's all about the fun,,not how it's produced,,Compound Bows vs Recurves,,,,Fiber optics on a Black powder Flintlock,,- just enjoy,,automatic transmission on a Formula car,,stick shift on a Bycycle,,,who cares,,Have Fun and be safe!

[LavaMountainKat]

A flintlock luger?

[ozmanofpeace]

@LavaMountainKat classic, noticed that too, and why not? it's pretty cool!

[ThreesiXtydegreeS]

@LavaMountainKat used by german soldiers in the 1700's

[LRooster4Prez]

@LavaMountainKat me thinks the lock is backwards, some kind of spy gun. ;)

[xzqzq]

@LRooster4Prez The heavy-barrel sniper rifles from the Civil War were under-lock models, with false muzzles.

[bjggjb]

@LavaMountainKat Nah, it's more of a flintGlock.

[plgib]

that is a very odd looking firearm

[kingrand00m]

That looks home made if u know what I mean

[ragglefraggle09]

why's the hammer and flint backwards? lol..

[OnkelMickwald]

Some pistols had the hammer and flint "backwards", but that doesn't really make a difference as long as the gunpowder is ignited.

[tsafa1]

@ragglefraggle09 There were a good deal of early flintlocks that did in fact have the hammer backwards to what we would consider normal. Those fell within a family of flintlocks called Snaphance. The "backwards" look was a carry over from the earlier Matchlock and Wheellock. Google images those two and you will see what I mean.

[johndeeremaster]

what kind of powder are you using? Do you have to us a finer powder for the flash pan. I new to the flintlock guns.

[mark3smle]

well, FFFFg or the finest black powder is what factories reccommend, but many say that the same powder used in the main charge is actually better . Ask Daniel boon. He used the same powder. He was the legendary sniper in the Revolution. Not to mention he always used the same powder charge in his rifle, just learning to compensate ball drop. and in most real flintlocks are made for a patched ball with slow twist barrels. the ball is great for big game and small game too

[whataname01]

Yep, with the cost of ammo these days fun cheap shooting days are numbered...

you could make your own blackpowder and shoot for alot less than moderen firearm... plus you won't waste any ammo like those hi-cap magazines ;-)

[Powerkicker]

Short lock time. I like it.

[mightycowhero]

the very very VERY first Luger.

[sasuke000naruto]

Doesn't it have a cartridge?

[AlienZygote010]

nice looking. but honestly, i will never understand modern black powder weapons. the whole concept seems stupid to me. like modern bows. if you are going to use antiquated technology, why introduce space age stuff to it? why not just use an old english long bow or a reproduction kentucky rifle? what's up with the fiber optic sights, and pullies and lasers and shit?  what does it prove? that yeah, i challenge myself with ancient technology...loaded with a bunch of space age shit. dumb

[muopos]

Pretty much agree with you but modern ammunition is getting way too expensive. An 80 grain .54 cal round ball load probably costs about 12 cents. I think we'll see a lot more space age black powder soon.

The proximity of the thumb to the flash pan worries me.

[AlienZygote010]

an out standing point, my friend. however there are several factors making the price go up. our war, and the several global players in the world are all building their armies. it looks just like the 1930's all over again. the miserable quiet before the storm. we are going to be in a serious war with some one really soon. and it won't be a regional conflict. we will be fighting for our life again. i just hope the demicans and republicrats will allow us to fight tooth and nail.

[AlienZygote010]

as for the cost of ammo, lee makes the wonderful LEE LOADER kits. they are $35 and come with all you need to load one caliber. they are available in just about every caliber. they are slower than a press, but a hell of a lot cheaper. even a child can reload with them. the loads they make are not as precision as handloads with a press but they are equal to factory ammo. lots of people who handload with pro. presses started with them and are selling them on ebay for 15 or 20 $. happy shooting

[magemager0]

Do you need a license/permit to purchase and own it? I know you need a license for the black powder, but I wanted to mount in my newly finished basement.

I live in Pennsylvania if that helps.

Thanks.

[Unrealism64]

You do not need a license to own a black powder firearm. They are considered "antiques" regardless of the age of the firearm, since they do not fire self contained cartridges. For firearms that do fire self contained cartridges, the cutoff year is 1898. You just need to be at least 18, or have someone 18 or older to purchase the firearm. No licenses or permits for you.

[magemager0]

OK, thanks so much.

[ariadarabi]

what are self contained cartriges?

[Unrealism64]

Modern day cartridges, with a case, primer, bullet and usually powder. Some common ones are 9X19 Parabellum, .22LR, or .223 (US, at least). They can be readily loaded into a firearm then fired without the need of any external combustion.

[BHARMS2]

it consist of a shell or casing that is commonly brass or steel that has a device called a primer that is ignited with powder in the casing and a projectile attached to the casing that can be fired in a manner of a single action

[Nwest82]

here in canada a Black-powder flint-lock or match-lock in rifle form is leagl to buy without a license as long as your 18+ y/o. Regardless of how old or new thay are. However, "a pistol is a pistol" in Canada, and you have to posses a R-pal weather its a flint-lock, match-lock, or moderen. So thats the crappy "trade-off".  We are also allowed smooth-bore barrels on any type of firearm.

[RobertGary1]

Yea, can you imagine some gang-banger using a flintlock in a heist? Hahah that would be funny. He's be trying to prime the pan as the crips were running after him!!!

[RobertGary1]

Depending on the state, but yes, in general they are not classified as "firearms" but most states of the feds. Check with the nra for details in your area. I do know that in California felons cannot own blackpowder even though they are not classified as firearms.

[greatestsongsofLIFE]

AND you can own a blackpowder gun over .50 caliber! So you can own a .68 cal revolver like any other gun

[ozmanofpeace]

@Unrealism64 wow what a country you live in! we can't even own a slingshot here in oz!

[Nwest82]

@Unrealism64 I'm pretty sure that in Canada if its a pistol it dosn't matter if its flint-lock, wheel-lock or otherwise. Because in Canada a pistol is a pistol. Now with rifles in Flint-lock or wheel-lock your 100% correct, in Canada you only have to be 18+ and you can purchase any flint-lock or wheel-lock rifle without a PAL regardless of weather its a antique or a remake of an antique. Same goes for buying black powder and primers.

[MrFloppy19]

@Unrealism64 i know, isnt it awesome lol

[MrMKH2010]

@Unrealism64 No. Sorry. There is not cut off date for cartridge firearms. All cartridge weapons bought online must be shipped to a FFL licened dealer and the pay a Transfer Fee.. In most states the age to purchase a handgun in 21, and 18 for a rifle or shotgun. SOme states still require a permit to purchase firearms. Illinois requires a Firearm Owners Identification Card and the purchaser must back the National Instant Background Check before they can be sold any firearm except Blackpowder

[MrShamelessone]

@MrMKH2010 your wrong pre 1898 do NOT require a FFL there considered and are antiques thats what Unrealism64 was saying...check it out if you dont beleive him it's a fact, Ive purchased many pre 1898 cartridge firearms and was never asked for a FFL they can be shipped directly to your home even....

[hellerZauberer]

@Unrealism64 I would imagine this changes from state to state.

[valttu94]

@Unrealism64 Damn, in my country you have to have license :S

[tsafa1]

@magemager0 lol, Pennsylvania is a Free State. Just go to Cabela's or Dixon's guns and pick one up. There is no FFL requirement for blackpowder pistols and rifles. You just pay and walk out. You can order over the phone or internet too and they will UPS it to your house. This applies to 95% of the USA. Only few Socialist/Communist places like NJ (Nazi Jersey) have restrictions.

[magemager0]

@tsafa1 ok thanks i just want to be sure

[tsafa1]

@magemager0 Cabela's has a Confederate .44 in the 1851 style on sale for about $130. This is a good first pistol. Its cheap and you get to shoot .44 cal for about the cost of .22 caliber. Make sure you look a couple of You Tube videos on loading back powder revolvers so you know what you are doing.

You can also check out my website at: poconoguns[dot]net.

[bstrong2000]

couldn't agree more, there is no class in it

[gotmini]

looks homemade lol

[grunfree]

OMG! It looks like a lugar pistol, with a flintlock! LOL!

[Xxoo0o0o0ooxX]

what year is this gun?

[PhilPiburn]

It was made in 2005 I think

[Solechnaya]

It looked like a wheelock at first. But then I realized that it definitley was a flintlock but backwards. The handle and barrel appear to be modern. That is a nice combination.

How is the pan connected to the barrel in this one?

[junglelover287b]

awsome pistol! very uniqe!

[GetMeThere1]

Not much recoil (although it looks quite heavy). must be a light load.

[bubby492]

thats not a flintlock...

[KarlAmade]

yes it is you blind fool :P

but a very modern one.

[HSstriker]

i love it ^^ van i have it? :p

[smithandwessonm76]

I know its not because its a blackpowder gun but it kind of resembles a Luger, at least the grip kind of gives it that EVER so slight appearance. Or, if you will, a Nintendo Zapper. lol

[blacksmithju]

One of those Friendship specials

[chitoryu12]

That is amazing. Perfect blending of centuries-old methods with modern ones.

[demonsparkx]

nice gun. props son!

[felex5000]

nice! from far away, it looks like a luger lol

[PhilPiburn]

The pistol is a .32 cal made by a friend in

Ohio It has a 10 inch barrel. Wife used it to

win the Women's Nationals 4 times. She also

won the men's Flintlock champonship this year.

It will shoot under 2 inch gropups at 50 yds.

[gravedigr12]

@PhilPiburn i dont mean to be sexist and that beyond awesome ur wife did this but how did she win the mens flintlock is mens just a name for it?

[PhilPiburn]

@gravedigr12 It's a agg. at Friendship Indiana where the

Nationals are held. It's open for men & women. I was wrong

for calling it the "Mens"

[mp5man]

that is just cool

[AlexSchus]

looks home made! Hehehehe

[ssaannttiiaaggoo99]

wow... i have never seen something like that... but i love everything that uses Black Powder ... watch my videos and you´ll see some things i did... (unsafe thing by the way... no like this weapon...but ;P FUN!)

[powerhawk56]

That is a wild pistol. What kind is it? Taditions, CVA?