Both Chopin and Scriabin excel in piano music in their own unique way. Scriabin's music however changed quite radically over time and he was also great at writing orchestral pieces..
Achingly beautiful! At no point throughout the course of the piece does Horowitz compromise the integrity of Scriabin's intent. The multiple melodic lines are brought out so clearly and due emphasis emparted to each. The peace that results creates an atmosphere of calm and transcends all surrounding it. Outstanding performance that abounds with light and pristine phrases of ethereal beauty.
I have played this piece most of my life, the hardest thing to get the inner voices balanced just right. Horowitz is such a master of this, I really try to imitate him but it is so difficult. I really think playing softly with balance is so much harder than fast and loud. So many pianists fast and loud never really make it, it is the ones with soul and communication that make it. And i agree, the first 3 notes, just amazing. This piece already surpassed Chopin in many ways.
True, Schumann longed to be his pupil and practiced his F sharp minor sonata. Liszt couldn't pay for the lesson fees, he ended up learning with Czerny instead, who taught him for free. Mendelssohn had the privilege of getting lessons from this great master. In some ways, his genius even rivalled that of the great Beethoven.
This is awesome, i'm studying piano and from the next summer I want to present some Scriabin's pieces, and this particullary is my favorite, is difficult but Scriabin always represents a challange.
This piece is actually not all that difficult. I learned it a couple years ago. A couple of uncommon harmonies here and there, but otherwise, it sits pretty easily under the fingers.
Well, I know that the techicnal difficult in this piece isn't big, but the challenge in the Scriabin's partitures is how to perfom theme, I've studied piano by less of 1 year, so yo maybe understand me (I'm playing Clementi's and Bach's pieces)
I agree. The challenge in this piece is to make sure that all of the voices are heard in each layer at the appropriate time. Horowitz was an expert at really making the voice "sing" with the right kind of sadness or desperation a piece like this commands.
There is no need to compare Chopin and Scriabin since they are both brilliant and deep composers in their own way. Maybe there is a little Chopin in this particular piece but in the early works of Chopin himself you can also hear who his musical idols were.
It is not bad to get inspired, inspiration is not copying. All composers and musicians tend to follow their favorites before they learn to develop a personal style.
the time periods definitely have a lot to to do with the complexity, a greater harmonic vocabulary certainly allows for a greater depth of expression.. but Scriabins early works remind me of Chopins later works..the harmony and the chromaticism
this is far more complex & deeper than any prelude ever wrote.
i'm not sure when this was written, but i read that Scriabin wrote his so thought "chopin-like compositions" in his earlier years.
if that's true, then chopin had a long way to go to get this level of expression.
don't get me wrong, i LOVE chopin's concertos & sonatas :D
the difference in complexity might be due to Scriabin being born long after chopin was dead. music could have and probably did evolve a lot during that time.
I'm not sure that I can agree that this is deeper or more emotional than chopin. This reminds me of Fred's Mazurkas. Although his Mazurkas aren't among his more famous works it is where Chopin explored harmonies and emotional expression more so than anywhere else in his music (IMO).
@fallenangel3652 Actually I hear a lot of Chopin influence in a lot of Scriabin's works (mostly his early works though), but hey imitation is the best form of flattery.
That actually isn't that drastic a key signature change, going from Db to E is common, it's just like if someone were to go from C to Eb, it's just in this case it should for from Db to Fb, but Scriabin went to E since it's an actual key, unlike Fb. Debussy does the same key change in Clair De Lune, he just keeps it there for a little longer rather than just a few bars. Composer, especially from Scriabin's time, very often change keys for only a few measure, it's just usually without a sig.
During this time the use of key signatures was waining. More and more composer went back to modal methods and key or pitch centers. The Impressionist movement is all about hinting at things or giving 'impressions' of keys. Thus you get what seem like rapid modulations for small segments of time. Also, going from Db to E is a very foreign modulation, and as a results constitutes 'drastic' (Db = 5b and E = 4#).
No, i am a guitarist, but i do take some piano lessons at school. I've been playing for 2 years soon. I'm working on Fuga Y Misterio for 2 pianos at the time. Pretty cool piece.
I love how Horowitz plays this, best performance of this, the way he brings out the inner melodies. Scriabin passed Chopin very quickly and very few works sound like Chopin. Scriabin sounds like Scriabin very early on.This is one of his most melancholy pieces. I really love it.
They say his early works were reminscent of chopin, and influenced by him. You can hear that here, its very different from the style he adopted in composing later on. Still, if I heard this I would not call it chopin, its an interesting mix between chopinism, and russian sounding melodies.
I dont think that Rachmaninoff said he was better than him but I do recall reading that Rachmaninoff said that Horowitz plays his works better than he does. I could be wrong.
@Hervinbalfour in David Dubal's book evenings with Horowitz this is quoted. Horowitz recounted the story to Dubal that Rachmaninoff had said this to him after hearing him play his b flat minor sonata.
Il existe une version de cettte étude, où Horowitz va encore plus loin dans l'interprétation. C'est un bis de concert, avec des accents encore plus inspirés de nostalgie.
je suis apprendre francais :) si vous pouvier me dire ce que "lien" est, je pourrais vous aider, je ne parle bien en francais et il faut que je pratique lol
One of the best recordings of Horowitz... Every note sings and there is never a dull moment. And have you heard how masters the voicing so every inner melody is alive and feels like natural?
I love Scriabin!! this etude is fantastic!...Horowitz is absolutely the best!...I have to study this etude for my piano exam..it's very hard..thank you rmannion!
Both Chopin and Scriabin excel in piano music in their own unique way. Scriabin's music however changed quite radically over time and he was also great at writing orchestral pieces..
MrRrrrvvvv 4 weeks ago
I wish this piece lasted longer.
Balgig 2 months ago in playlist Scriabin
The beginning sounds like Rach.
largolegato 2 months ago
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Ir0nman86 4 months ago
scriabin is like a dark sexy version of chopin ... where chopin is quiet clear and introspective scriabin is evocative powerful and piercing
lukebaker1001 5 months ago 11
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Indeed. The early music of Scriabin assaults you whereas Chopin draws you in peacefully.
hellomate639 4 months ago
HOROWITIZ is the best pianist DEAD or ALIVE
Bruce88keys 6 months ago 2
The lyricism in a lot of his early works sorta gives a Chopin feel, but if you've ever played his works for piano, it is nothing like playing Chopin!
MertezAad 6 months ago
@bobproduction why not what?
fallenangel3652 10 months ago
This is like Chopin.... but better.
pugay69 11 months ago 3
I'm drowning in the sentimentality in the middle section. :(
Love this piece!
TheGraysianViolinist 11 months ago
5 stars from me aswell - very nostalgic and mystical! :-)
Montyleeny14 1 year ago
Achingly beautiful! At no point throughout the course of the piece does Horowitz compromise the integrity of Scriabin's intent. The multiple melodic lines are brought out so clearly and due emphasis emparted to each. The peace that results creates an atmosphere of calm and transcends all surrounding it. Outstanding performance that abounds with light and pristine phrases of ethereal beauty.
Chopin1974l 1 year ago 4
This is the first time I hear this, it's so peaceful. Five stars!
boly666 1 year ago
great stuff
danielito1979 1 year ago
I have played this piece most of my life, the hardest thing to get the inner voices balanced just right. Horowitz is such a master of this, I really try to imitate him but it is so difficult. I really think playing softly with balance is so much harder than fast and loud. So many pianists fast and loud never really make it, it is the ones with soul and communication that make it. And i agree, the first 3 notes, just amazing. This piece already surpassed Chopin in many ways.
trevjr 1 year ago
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mogotootzi 1 year ago
The first 3 notes. Can play such a big effect on the heart. It pierces right through, a question "WHY, WHY WHY?"
Martel211996 1 year ago 2
Beautiful music performed wonderfully! Horowitz's use of dynamics and rubato is very expressive and sensitive. Thank you for posting this...
justin10292000 1 year ago
That dotted triplet figure in the left hand that occurs first around 1:03 is very evocative of the romantic school of chopin and liszt in my opinion.
dasklavierleben 1 year ago
Scriabin leaves me breathless!! My heart just HANGS on every note.
marginallymental 1 year ago 4
Woow this is pretty good. Not the best I've heard, though.
PwningIRL 1 year ago
@PwningIRL
What's the best you heard then?
Mjws2907 1 year ago
may someone who can play this give me some advice? =)
Inattuale 1 year ago
I don't play it perfectly but maybe i can help you out.
th3wing3dpaint3r 1 year ago
"OMG look at me! I'm a perfectionist who claims he didn't play the last 2 notes perfectly! It say 'rest' damnit!
jasonextreme 1 year ago
I wonder how Sofronitsky would've played this beast...
Icewalker 1 year ago
any idea of where i can get sheet music for this song? i cant seem to find it anywhere on google >.>
WhatAxBrit 1 year ago
For me only two pianists could get to the heart of Scriabin and they are Horowitz of course and Richter.
meredith218461 1 year ago 4
In fact, Mozart influenced Hummel, Hummel influenced Chopin, Chopin influenced Scriabin.
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
Hummel also had much influence on the early works of Robert Schumann.
Mr. Hummel also had much influence on modern piano technique; he was Czerny's teacher.
TomBarristerX 1 year ago
True, Schumann longed to be his pupil and practiced his F sharp minor sonata. Liszt couldn't pay for the lesson fees, he ended up learning with Czerny instead, who taught him for free. Mendelssohn had the privilege of getting lessons from this great master. In some ways, his genius even rivalled that of the great Beethoven.
chopinandliszt 1 year ago
@chopinandliszt How did this get two thumbs down?You made a valid point and used proper grammar.I don't understand youtube.
remyrem121 1 year ago 4
this sounds strikingly similar to the second part of Chopin polonaise op.26 no.1.
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
This is awesome, i'm studying piano and from the next summer I want to present some Scriabin's pieces, and this particullary is my favorite, is difficult but Scriabin always represents a challange.
OceanbornSWT 2 years ago
This piece is actually not all that difficult. I learned it a couple years ago. A couple of uncommon harmonies here and there, but otherwise, it sits pretty easily under the fingers.
reddoghud 2 years ago
Well, I know that the techicnal difficult in this piece isn't big, but the challenge in the Scriabin's partitures is how to perfom theme, I've studied piano by less of 1 year, so yo maybe understand me (I'm playing Clementi's and Bach's pieces)
OceanbornSWT 2 years ago
I agree. The challenge in this piece is to make sure that all of the voices are heard in each layer at the appropriate time. Horowitz was an expert at really making the voice "sing" with the right kind of sadness or desperation a piece like this commands.
reddoghud 2 years ago
聲部推移的微妙,我了解
弦律間巧妙的對話
姐係..... 請指教
pptcl 2 years ago
聲部推移的微妙,
弦律間巧妙的對話,
此演奏乃大師之作!!
seremerow 2 years ago
yes, to :playin...
princenosiatajansen 2 years ago
There is no need to compare Chopin and Scriabin since they are both brilliant and deep composers in their own way. Maybe there is a little Chopin in this particular piece but in the early works of Chopin himself you can also hear who his musical idols were.
It is not bad to get inspired, inspiration is not copying. All composers and musicians tend to follow their favorites before they learn to develop a personal style.
playingchessonmars 2 years ago 8
You mean, Chopin was influenced by Hummel, like how Scriabin was influenced by Chopin?
chopinandliszt 2 years ago
Incredible piece, I kind of like to think of it as a musical portrait of cities in film noir.
demosj 2 years ago
Let's just remember when comparing heavyweight and highly insightful romantic composers that we can use objective valuations of emotion.
I love them both.
elevenwhy 2 years ago
Beautifully elegaic. Tension abounds in every phrase.
marcphilos 2 years ago
pure mastership, listening to pop-music after listening to this is like dying
Felduin 2 years ago 21
and going to hell
gymgymgymgym 2 years ago 2
scriabin>chopin
stagesix6 2 years ago 2
sorry....chopin is the master....nothing beats his ballades
lonewolf604 2 years ago 6
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robbiethemann 2 years ago
and his nocturnes :)
kwastormayt 2 years ago 4
@lonewolf604 Scriabin > Chopin
gymgymgymgym 1 year ago 6
great.. :O
zurzica51 2 years ago
the time periods definitely have a lot to to do with the complexity, a greater harmonic vocabulary certainly allows for a greater depth of expression.. but Scriabins early works remind me of Chopins later works..the harmony and the chromaticism
fallenangel3652 2 years ago 3
i can hear the influence of Chopin loud and clear in this piece..
fallenangel3652 2 years ago 47
this is far more complex & deeper than any prelude ever wrote.
i'm not sure when this was written, but i read that Scriabin wrote his so thought "chopin-like compositions" in his earlier years.
if that's true, then chopin had a long way to go to get this level of expression.
don't get me wrong, i LOVE chopin's concertos & sonatas :D
the difference in complexity might be due to Scriabin being born long after chopin was dead. music could have and probably did evolve a lot during that time.
fionasapple 2 years ago 2
I'm not sure that I can agree that this is deeper or more emotional than chopin. This reminds me of Fred's Mazurkas. Although his Mazurkas aren't among his more famous works it is where Chopin explored harmonies and emotional expression more so than anywhere else in his music (IMO).
EuphoricDan 2 years ago
@fallenangel3652
I can also hear the Russian sound, which amounts to an amazing combination...
hellomate639 1 year ago 2
@fallenangel3652 why not?
bobproduction1 11 months ago
@fallenangel3652 Actually I hear a lot of Chopin influence in a lot of Scriabin's works (mostly his early works though), but hey imitation is the best form of flattery.
somnynightin78 8 months ago
@fallenangel3652 I always think of Scriabin as a Russian Chopin.
TehBrettster 7 months ago
That's what Scriabin wanted to say!
007strauss 2 years ago 3
Perhaps!
It is mine opinion too!
seryrzu 2 years ago
It was curious at 1:30 that there was a drastic key signature change for only 2 measures.
dsm2240 2 years ago
That actually isn't that drastic a key signature change, going from Db to E is common, it's just like if someone were to go from C to Eb, it's just in this case it should for from Db to Fb, but Scriabin went to E since it's an actual key, unlike Fb. Debussy does the same key change in Clair De Lune, he just keeps it there for a little longer rather than just a few bars. Composer, especially from Scriabin's time, very often change keys for only a few measure, it's just usually without a sig.
xxmynameisjohnxx 2 years ago 2
During this time the use of key signatures was waining. More and more composer went back to modal methods and key or pitch centers. The Impressionist movement is all about hinting at things or giving 'impressions' of keys. Thus you get what seem like rapid modulations for small segments of time. Also, going from Db to E is a very foreign modulation, and as a results constitutes 'drastic' (Db = 5b and E = 4#).
ColtonBrook 2 years ago 2
Best of the best....
davidavid2009 2 years ago 2
The very best interpretation of that masterpiece I've ever heard. Horowitz rules!
007strauss 2 years ago 27
Where can I find sheets on this one? Other than those in the video. A little to blurry for my eyes...
jonas616 3 years ago 5
Search for "Scriabin etude op.8 n.12" take Wiki' article, see 'External links' and click on "Etudes op.8"
COCOONFABULA 2 years ago 3
Thank you! :)
jonas616 2 years ago
You're welcome ;) However this piece is terrifying to play o.O
COCOONFABULA 2 years ago 8
Indeed! Horowitz did a great job, as usual. Very dynamic and touching.
Are you a pianist? :)
jonas616 2 years ago 7
Yes I am ^^ And you ?
COCOONFABULA 2 years ago 7
No, i am a guitarist, but i do take some piano lessons at school. I've been playing for 2 years soon. I'm working on Fuga Y Misterio for 2 pianos at the time. Pretty cool piece.
jonas616 2 years ago 7
Baah I don't like the guitar =P I'm going to listen that Fuga
COCOONFABULA 2 years ago
I listened to the Fuga and yeah pretty cool =)
COCOONFABULA 2 years ago
Amazing!
jonas616 3 years ago
Lovely! Horowitz makes the music breathe...a ravishing performance
soami2u 3 years ago 5
It's nice to hear the music with score~
SunnySunshineRiver 3 years ago 6
this might sound stupid, but does anyone have any of his stuff on itunes?
my computer wont let me download them, but if anyone can send them to me,
that'd be really great(Y).
tekaronhienhawi 3 years ago
isn't it lvely.
tekaronhienhawi 3 years ago
offcoarse it is
bandong1234567890 3 years ago
I love how Horowitz plays this, best performance of this, the way he brings out the inner melodies. Scriabin passed Chopin very quickly and very few works sound like Chopin. Scriabin sounds like Scriabin very early on.This is one of his most melancholy pieces. I really love it.
trevjr 3 years ago 2
Come on....1:02-1:42 is so chopin.
Let me rephrase myself though. The scriabin you hear here is very different than the scriabin from much later on.
PlatypusofCalifornia 3 years ago
how do they create such beautiful melodies?
123eldest 3 years ago 9
perfection.
kasyapa 3 years ago 2
They say his early works were reminscent of chopin, and influenced by him. You can hear that here, its very different from the style he adopted in composing later on. Still, if I heard this I would not call it chopin, its an interesting mix between chopinism, and russian sounding melodies.
PlatypusofCalifornia 3 years ago
This etude was written in 1894, Scriabin was only 22.
sasha42196 3 years ago 3
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pas mal pour du Horowitz, d'habitude je n'aime pas.
lyralary 3 years ago
Not bad for Horowitz? Even Rachmaninoff admitted Horowitz was better than him. I don't think anyone can argue against that.
werq34ac 3 years ago 7
extremely correct
bandong1234567890 3 years ago
I dont think that Rachmaninoff said he was better than him but I do recall reading that Rachmaninoff said that Horowitz plays his works better than he does. I could be wrong.
Hervinbalfour 2 years ago
@Hervinbalfour in David Dubal's book evenings with Horowitz this is quoted. Horowitz recounted the story to Dubal that Rachmaninoff had said this to him after hearing him play his b flat minor sonata.
eeradinator 1 year ago
Your French sucks.
RemyClavell 3 years ago
Toda la música de Scriabin es perfecta. Junto con Ravel y Debussy son dioses!! Grandioso!!
alvarito45 3 years ago 2
Il existe une version de cettte étude, où Horowitz va encore plus loin dans l'interprétation. C'est un bis de concert, avec des accents encore plus inspirés de nostalgie.
patpenel 3 years ago 2
Est-ce que vous avez un lien de cet concert? Où un fichier, où un lien pour télécharger ce pièce? Merci en avance.
Mjws2907 2 years ago
je suis apprendre francais :) si vous pouvier me dire ce que "lien" est, je pourrais vous aider, je ne parle bien en francais et il faut que je pratique lol
bodyboarder3452 2 years ago
Sensitively executed. Beautiful.
GlennGouldGG 3 years ago 13
There is no better Skriabin-player than Horowitz is !
Greetings ,
Jan.
janvkimm 3 years ago 8
I don't know. Scriabin did an amazing job of his songs too. There are several piano rolls of him. You should give them a look.
Lukecash12 3 years ago
Songs are sung. Scriabin wrote only one. You mean pieces, or works.
NOSEhow2LIV 3 years ago 5
oh, thank you for correcting me. I thought i broke that habit a long time back...
Lukecash12 3 years ago
@NOSEhow2LIV Do you know of any recordings of Scriabin's Romance for voice ?
gymgymgymgym 1 year ago
Pure ecstasy.
aewanko300 3 years ago 4
Love Scriabin. Never heard this etude before and it is now a favorite right after op 2 no 1 and op 8 no 12
sasha42196 3 years ago 3
you should listen op 45 no 5 ^^
armlias 3 years ago
It is so beautiful indeed !!
Jan
janvkimm 3 years ago
One of the best recordings of Horowitz... Every note sings and there is never a dull moment. And have you heard how masters the voicing so every inner melody is alive and feels like natural?
guboub 3 years ago 12
One of the best recordings of Horowitz
agree.
slothvader 3 years ago 3
I love Scriabin!! this etude is fantastic!...Horowitz is absolutely the best!...I have to study this etude for my piano exam..it's very hard..thank you rmannion!
sybilla92 3 years ago 3
rmannion bringing it.
GinoTheSinner 3 years ago 2
OMG I love scriabin I never knew about him till I found this work here. Ty for posting it. Cause I think I got another composer I really like.
bubbaXzone 3 years ago 9
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gymgymgymgym 1 year ago
@bubbaXzone I am so happy that you have found Scriabin. You posted that comment about two years ago, have you listened to much of his other works ?
gymgymgymgym 1 year ago
Are u supposed to play those left hand chords in one stretch??? e.g the b g g 3rd bar 1st page.
123eldest 3 years ago
I think its assumed that what you can't reach you play similarly to what was written in the first bar concerning the bass
SmallPorgies 3 years ago
ok thx alot
123eldest 3 years ago
Oh such a haunting melody! I thank you for having the sheet music going along with the melody.
baroquegeek 4 years ago
Scriabin was completely DE-PRESSED! Lovely!
aldebussy 4 years ago 2
seriously, thank you man for doing this
prismsmiles 4 years ago 4
amazing
amorjan984 4 years ago 3
What an incedible melancholy.
pollekepetaatekop 4 years ago 4
beautiful!!!!!!!!!
uo12345678910 4 years ago 2
Scriabin in tearjerker mode....
dri3s 4 years ago 2
The master in his prime. I am now speaking both of the composer and the performer.
Gorowitz 4 years ago 5
Excellent choice!!!!!!!!!!!! My fave study from Op.8!
Alessandro1985 4 years ago 5
Beautiful!
ScriabinFanatic 4 years ago 4