Fight Science - Super Soldiers ( Part 4 )

[AllHailZeppelin]

Where are parts 2 and 3?

[dbarbour1982]

I question this guys tactical background. Im a weapons specialist that trains deploying soldiers before going into combat zones. I'm no special forces or anything but we specifically train soldiers to fire with both eyes open to maintain perifial vision to allow them to scan for other nearby threats. You could argue that he put the weapon "m9" back together quickly but I can do that with one hand and do a function check afterwards. I love this shows concept though

[Rigotto90]

@dbarbour1982 So because our military trains one way and the Israeli commandos train another way his background is questionable? Do you realize the Israelis are CONSTANTLY fighting and every single capable Israeli serves in the armed forces? So either way what you're saying makes no sense, because you're either saying he's not who he says he is or that his training is inferior. Also you have to take into account the sting sweat gives your eyes, he may have been squinting with both eyes for focus

[thereddog223]

I respect any military that is our ally

[thegame52291]

@dbarbour1982 ...NEXT!

[dbarbour1982]

I question this guys tactical background. Im a weapons specialist that trains deploying soldiers before going into combat zones. I'm no special forces or anything but we specifically train soldiers to fire with both eyes open to maintain perifial vision to allow them to scan for other nearby threats. You could argue that he put the weapon "m9" back together quickly but I can do that with one hand and do a function check afterwards. I love this shows concept though

[anthcybo]

@dbarbour1982

Well, seeing is that he's not American we can assume they don't do things exactly the same as we do in the rest of the world. I'm sure they didn't get a guy off of the street and pretend he was an Israeli Special Forces operative.

[TheZayne34]

@anthcybo Grav Maga is unique to Mossad ops. We dont use it , we use CQC, Close quarter Combat. a total hybrid of the most fundemental parts of Boxing, Nerve center shots,and Bulk body mass. Torso and legs, to submit the opponent and --Kill. Fight or Flight response is a crucial part. I would NOT wanna fuck with these dudes!!! i woud shit my pants!

[hugger9]

u spelled army wrong XD

[stuart080153]

the point of keeping the idea of keeping the target in the same place is so that it is a fair test and to test his accuracy

[quennj92]

The problem I have with this experiment is that while Amir did better after the treadmill, he also already had some past experience about the test. He knew where the target was going to appear. Some of his improvement could be due to this past experience.

If they had, say, one target in three possible locations, that would fix this problem.

Still amazing though. I'd be dead way before the treadmill was over :P

[cannonbulk]

The thing that's amazing is he shouldn't even be able to see let alone put the gun together :P

but yeah I think around the 1% loss of bodyweight I'd be dead.

[priNc3itachi]

It seem that they all perform b3tter after beaten condition

[kinjk]

The lamps r 260, Not the room temperature.

[dbarbour1982]

@kinjk dude he was holding the temp guage far away from the lamps. Its the temp of the room

[locochiko721]

google Jungla Comandos

[1035573]

so what.

we got nukes.

[halo3freak678]

@1035573 exactly

[XBOXDECENTRECRUIT]

260 degrees? Fahrenheit? thats the boiling point of water. jesus thats hot.

[cityisonfire]

212 is the boiling point of water

[XBOXDECENTRECRUIT]

sorry i meant past boiling point

[paoolyrebecca]

some people work better under stress than under "normal" conditions. those that we call "psychiatric" cases might be individuals whose genetics predispose them to function only under extreme cases but function poorly under "normal" conditions.

of course Emir is from that part of the world of 40+C temps. how would he perform under extreme cold conditions?

very fascinating study. explains more than a few things.

[Darkenedbyshadows]

@paoolyrebecca What you said was true...

also same goes with panicking or having to make a split second choice while heavy under stress..

some can......some cannot....

pardon english

[xxxm3miguelxxx]

this nega is a beasssst

[gusto1978]

Zohan is real LMAO

[Huhmasta]

@gusto1978 AHAHAHAA

[bboyguerilla]

now thats how you lose weight

[TheColoradoan]

Water weight loss comes back nearly instantly when you drink.

[mecakegirl369]

isreali dude is a beast

[writhe86]

ge'ez that guy sure likes to rub that soldier with that towel hahahaha

[ljkjames]

the effects of dehydration don't wear of so easy. after a route march, you're dehydrated, body temperature sky high, it takes about an hour to get back to semi-normal conditions. i speak from first hand experience. still, this guy is awesome. respect to the spec ops guys, their training is tough.

[espanto28]

i am not saying anything bad. But wouldnt it have made more sense to test real combat situation to have him run the trial almost immediately after the treadmill just because in combat he probably would not have much time to rest. Again I am not saying this guy is a wuss.

[SEALHopeful28]

Mind over matter has ALOT to do with it. Thats all my cousin says it is. Mind over matter. Training teaches you that

[SEALHopeful28]

These guys are animals. My Cousin is a Navy SEAL and he is so amazing. This amir guy is NOT human

[MBeckham21]

Don't get me wrong, this guy is amazing, but don't you think that his time improved because he got used to assembling the firearm? If he does that over and over wouldn't he just get faster at it? Just a thought

[shastadude13]

Its a weapon I'm sure he's familiar with anyways...and it takes a lot more practice than you can do in 1 day to get any faster at it.

[Cagedand3nRaged]

Of course it takes practice. It's the amount of conditioning and practice that man handled is what makes him awesome. :)

[psych0tic855]

He's probably spent plenty of time putting guns together in his life.

[CoBros]

The one guy, Amir, works with Bas Rutten (mma fighter) at his gym

[llcooljoe123]

dam these guys could survive aids

[NeonBlueAlex]

There's a guy like this at my gym. I wish he'd sponge the machines down after him. :(

[bizitch71717]

lol

[powerpunk1]

i really think i could do running on the treadmill with the giant lamps but only for a couple of seconds its amazing are people in the army of different countries can do this i mean they are trained to a point were they can have this control of there body and anyone who says they can do this all then they are an asshole this people are or more fit then the people at the Olympics like Michal Phelps

[jafalks]

I dont see it as a disgrace...

You could be a disgrace of our country,,

[mazafen]

Its a picture from a video game Red alert 2

[thewonderfulferret]

go fuck yourself

[shazman00]

shove your country up youre pure white ass you skinhead faggot

[DJHulkHusky]

yea I wish they would stop saying "the average person".

the average person is weak.

of course they they preform better

[slowburner1]

When i saw the treadmill.....i would sweat so much i would pass out and hit my head on the camera. These people are amazing specimens.

[mexiclan696]

that guy in 3:12 is fucking gross

[raigekimaru]

I wouldn't last 5 minutes on the last test, but I can take heat like a freak so this test would be a lot easier.

[marineninga]

I wonder why these guys actually volunteered for this? money? tv time?

[ya1daddy]

for the challenge probably, they're pretty competitive people i would think

[petethebastard]

An aside... Why degrees in Fahrenheit, weight in pounds but fluid loss in litres?

[TaekwondoGuy86]

wow dude.... english ? learn how to speak correctly ?.

[petethebastard]

Pardon?

I use the metric system.... Why not "fluid loss" in pints, or Fluid Ounces?

...Or Degrees Celcius, weight in Kg?

[EAsports93]

anybody can become a super human is called mind over matter martial artist and samurais have used this technique because in the end it pays off

[M1sTaBubBle]

mind over matter? Funny how you have to be conditioned in order to do what these marines do. Fit, as they say for what you will endure. Mind over matter gets you so far. Being skinny, you would freeze in the ice tank faster than a fit marine. P.S Training also makes your mind stronger than your body. Your body screams "Get out of the water!" Through training the voice gets quieter. A fat man can't run a marathon. His body would give out, why? No training, body screams are too loud. Get it?

[xXfillyfoalXx]

Ah, thast an intresting way to see things. I've never thought about things like that before.

[M1sTaBubBle]

Wow!

I haven't seen this comment in weeks.

Yeah. I say a lot of useful stuff.

lol

[theirlinator]

hes also faster because hes done the test a few times already so hes used to it.. still amazing

[oatmeal11000]

The IDF guy took 6 runs in total; 3 before dehydration, and 3 after.

Just like the Seal.

[karldiesen]

this is pure adverticement

[radar77377]

idiot

[ColonelMarksman]

@daniel, the SEAL did BETTER at his accuracy after near hypothermia. They didn't have a medic on standby for the SEAL. The problem is that they don't give the same test to them all. The Israeli overdid my expectations. With dripping, sweating hands, he assembled the gun AND fired 6 rounds in under 15 seconds. In 15 seconds, an average person can't even hit a sillohette under normal conditions.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

Myself I think the isreali had a more tireing thing- ice cold sucks, but it doesnt dehydrate you to the same degree. Try hiking in hot weather without water, you or I will he dead tired.

[DarkShadowRage2]

Wow, the seals are incrediable.

[32spartan11]

The IDF Commandos test was much easier no thinking. Your clean and service your weapon so much in the military that wouldntbe hard for any soldier let alone a special ops guy and all he had to do was shoot one target not decide who to shoot not sure why they didnt have him run the exact test seems less scientific

[TheKingAndQueenFont]

Allow me to pick appart your comment:

"Why they didnt have him run the exact test seems less scientific."

Incorrect. Its not a contest between SpecOps, its a demonstration of their abilities.

"The IDF Commandos test was much easier."

How so? The SEAL sat in a tub of icewater and then did a trial test, while the IDF soldier was constantly moving.

They are both hard, neither is more chalenging than the other; I'm sure that any non-SpecOps soldier would fail both tests.

[TheKingAndQueenFont]

"All he had to do was shoot one target not decide who to shoot."

He had to assemble a weapon while dehydrated, which you, if you have ever experienced dehydration, would realize how difficult it is to awake, let alone move your arms; and the firing test was for accuracy, not identification.

How about you go through both tests and tell us which one was harder; but until you do, you are in no place to judge the tests or their participants.

[32spartan11]

His test was much easier any athlete would agree with my point. Im not saying it wasnt challenging. I also never said it was a contest between special ops but it was a test to see if and how much certain elements influence their ability to perform their job. The test with the seal was a much more informative test covering both accuracy and identification, and also physical tests. While the other test was a weak test of what a special ops soldier could do after dehydration.

[32spartan11]

Saying the test was easier is in no way putting down the IDF or the person doing it. Assembling a weapon for a soldier is done through muscle memory. Doesnt take much or any thinking. I have been dehydrated, I have done things that push your body to its limit. Have you? Athletes and soldiers have to play through dehydration all of the time it's part of the territory. To see the effects of dehydration they should have used the same test also they had no control group for their experiments.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

This is fight science- they don't test so much as hype- look at the martial art one.

[keithlogan365]

Exactly. Most of these tests are not particularly relevant to anything.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

One is harder, but you'd have to try both to find out which.

[32spartan11]

I'm not comparing the IDF with the navy seals strictly the tests done. yes for the IDF guy it was hader to get to the state they needed him to be in, but his test after was much easier. Putting together a fire arm and then shooting form that distance is no challenge for any soldier even while dehydrated, let alone a special ops guy. The test aftter dehydration really doesnt show how it would affect a soldier.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

I agree, but the two test even out in many ways. It would be cool to see these guys go head to head on the same test, but that would end up with controversy whichever way it went.

[32spartan11]

Also Im not incredibly familiar with the IDF training regime beside krav maga. But i know isreal is extremely hot so dehydration is right up his ally hes probably done more challangeing test in training. but his test really wasnt a fair judgement of dehydration effects. Thats my main point. I dont know if the IDF trains for water like the seals do so im not sure it would even be fair for the Israel commando to do the hypothermia test.

[Ebuverthebicepcurler]

apples and oranges.

[32spartan11]

I agree. Though I do know seals are trained for all conditions. But still two completely different type of soldiers even if you bracket them in special ops.

[ndrca]

Wow what this israeli did would put normal person in Hospital. 103.6 F body temperature is very dangerous.

[ndrca]

It is true you can't compare heat and extreme cold. Both things are deadly and require years of training and superior genetics and mind.

Normal person wouldn't last near as much.

[danielwa2]

you make a good point, its hard to judge, but the SEAL was in much better shape than the isreali, also it takes much more mental apptitude to stay focused under such extreme cold, than it does to lose water weight in a sweat suit.

[danielwa2]

you can just tell by reading the guy. first of all the test the SEAL did was ten times harder, second, the other guy was out of shape, he kept slowing donw to take breaks and he go to take of his stuff to do a weigh in. Wrestlers and Fighters do that stuff all the time to lose weight before a competition. The SEAL had to stay in that ice the whole time no breaks! - Hooyah!

[trinsit]

Yes, however, in the ice tub, he used certain methods, as was shown, to retain his body heat in vital areas and he was not exerting any other energy. But in heat, there are no methods to stay cool. Your body sweat is all there is to stay cool, but they denied him that with the plastic suit. So I don't understand how you can say of a certainty that the ice trial is 10 times harder.

[TheKingAndQueenFont]

He is obviously an uniformed, unobservant, biased moron who is unable to use higher levels of thinking, such as the ability to compare/contrast. He thinks that everything is a contest and whatever he likes more is the winner: He likes SEALs more than IDF commandoes, so he favors them to an idiotic degree.

I'm sure your comment, which is intelegent and unbiased must have fried a few more of his brain cells.

[danielwa2]

haha funny how you talk about intelligence and you dont even know how to spell it, you dumb idiot. hahahaha

[Danorena]

You can't compare them because they did two different tests.

[gooyzit]

With two different people