You are truly stupid if you think usa is socialist, the congress is pretty much owned by corporations, corporations that will only get stronger if these Laissez-faire crap propagated by people like you get in power.
Laissez-faire would only work if you prevent corporations from controlling the government, but that would require regulation, and once that happens, it becomes interventionism.
@trolololoz 1. Hayek argued strongly against Laissez-faire. It is, in fact, the first thing he says in the Road to Serfdom.
2. Corporations controlling the government is a form of socialism. Libertarians argue that the government will always be corrupt, so let's give them as little power as possible. Corporations controlling congress is not the problem - the problem is that the congress has the power to make their every whim a reality.
Nowadays US is a SOCIALIST country(BAILOUTS, MONOPOLIES, SUBSIDIES,COORPORATISM) The problem with US is SOCIALISM Americans want and need more FREEDOM!
Most libertarians simply do not see the end game for their ideology. They aren't totalitarians, eugenicists, or fascists. They honestly believe - foolishly - that their utopia is obtainable through capitalist means, and don't realize the hell trying for it will bring. It doesn't excuse their stupidity and ignorance, but it is wrong to paint them as evil.
one of the problems is the supposed yardstick of value(money) is abstract - and even where its not its only relevant to a few comoditys - for it to be absolute it would need to reflect every resource another is its mechanism of maximizing self interest via markets cant be shown to empiricaly work for everyone as there is often no money demand to buy food by starving people also the means exist to achieve abundance but do not manifest via this mechanism -please watch zeitgeist moving forward
I like how all these people blame the busnesses for being in bed with the governmemt. Well it takes two people to go to bed and governments are the problem. Flat tax ,term limits, regulation of government ,and a little bit of industrial regulation are the answers. Example: no pot manufacturing
No stupid if you read the book their are two types of socialist. The nice ones like yourself who pave the way for ruthless ones like stalin and hitler
His thoughts were written and based solely on what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.Conservatives continually use his quotes to prop up the disastrous consequences of successful implemantation of conservative policies of "Free Markets" in this country.Those failures are leading us to third world status.
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@MoralMoney I think you missed the point though. Capitalism is about freedom. Two parties come together to make an exchange that will result in both parties satisfaction. When you have a monopoly, that can undermine the position of the buyer (demand side) to the point where it is no longer capitalism, but a weird sort of private socialism. Socialism is about manipulating these exchanges (usually by force) to fit into a pre-ordained "plan."
@mathewfinch Unregulated capitalism eventually leads to monopoly. The point of competition is to win, right? Winning in a market system means gaining an ever larger share of the market and making things less competitive. Competition is great. It leads to efficiency. But if you leave it unregulated, it leads to monopoly. We need to handle first things first. 75% of Americans agree special interests have too much power in DC. Do you talk about that ever? Why not? Divided and conquered
@MoralMoney But there's always someone who doesn't want the monopoly. That person will invest in his/her own company and provide competition. And yeah special interests are a problem, but that's proof we don't have truly free markets. In a truly free market, a monopoly is pretty hard.
@xtremejohnny69 You Austrians are so theoretical. In reality can you or I start a wind powered electric facility in our basement? What about an investment bank to compete with Goldman Sachs? Me too, I want a Goldman Sachs. And I'm pretty sure I've got an innovation: it's called not screwing over my investors. Most Libs are all about markets and competition; that's why we need an active anti-trust and regulatory role for the gov. But step 1 for everyone: limit the role of the lobbies.
@MoralMoney That's where investors come in. Also if you were to work your way up in a business, there's another part of start up money. We didn't have monopolies in America until government got in bed with business.
@xtremejohnny69 Investors may help, but I think you know what kind of connections that takes. Also, try not to make history fit your theory. It's a major fault of Austrians. Instead, brush up on your anti-trust history. A brief read on the Sherman Antitrust Act, why it was passed, and who it was applied to, would prevent you from making such inaccurate claims such as, "We didn't have monopolies in America until government for in bed with business." Correction: we had them both before and after.
If "we the people" vote to aid the sick, uneducated and homeless, it becomes unpatriotic to do otherwise. If the nation’s “haves” voluntarily took on the responsibility for the “have-nots” there would be little need for the mechanisms of government to tax and spend, other than for the national defense.
gotherecom - The Tea Party people advocate the opposite of government planning....their whole message is that they want limited government and more individual freedom, so how would that relate to Nazi's?
@gotherecom - The Tea Party people advocate the opposite of government planning....their whole message is that they want limited government and more individual freedom, so how is that like the Nazi's?
@sconigli The Tea Party seems more like an “Astroturf” movement that will replace government by the people with government by corporations. Too much governmental control by one party or too much governmental control by corporations could easily lead to fascism. Nazism appears when one charismatic, fascist leader takes control of government.
@sconigli You mean the Tea Party which is funded by Freedom Works which is funded by Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest corporation in the US? Forgive me if I fail to see how that is "grassroots."
@sconigli You've got the powers of google, right? Why don't you look into it yourself? It's a fact that Freedom Works (aka the Tea Party) has been funded by the Kochs from the get-go.
@Hank0Rearden Are you really too lazy to google "Koch brothers Tea Party"? Or is it that you can't face reality so you choose to ignore it? I'm going with the later, considering the authoritarian nature of conservatives.
The US does not have free market capitalism. Tell me, why do YOU think Goldman $achs was his bigge$t contributor?? People like you don't understand how truly damaging the bailout heist was to the nation.
"Capitalism is profit and loss... if you bail out the losers there's no end to the cost" (not my words). Do you think that the corporate cronies - who are well connected to big government - won't act differently if they know there's no risk? That the taxpayer can soften their fall regardless??
@ 111andrew111: Actually, no. Hayek had relatively little experience of fascism in Austria because he had long since moved to London. He became a British citizen in 1938, the same year that Austria embraced NazIsm. But one Austrian experience that may well have influenced him was the aboli a member of the nobility, however, he did lose that
one vital part of this strip is very quickly shown (almost hidden) "reproduced from a booklet published by General Motors, Detroit, in the thought starter series"
now im not saying Hayek was wrong because he so obviously had first hand experience being Austrian but you must remember who benifits from a dissmantelling of the public sector.
¨Families and churches and schools adapt to modern life; governments and armies and corporations shape it; and, as they do so, they turn these lesser institutions into means for their ends.¨ -C. Wright Mills
As long as you baboons continue with your idiotic Democrat vs. Republican diatribes, they win! It isn’t left vs. right. It’s the Power Elite vs. everyone else. The Power Elite is not made up of people. The Power Elite are people in a constant state of flux PLUS the institutions through which they operate.
The most elementary politics textbook will tell you that Nazism (National Socialism) and 'Socialism' have nothing to do with one another. This cartoon is patented nonsense
@viarain Straight from the horses mouth: Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927 "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
There are scores more examples, just do a little research buddy. Don't be gullible.
Hitler lied bro, he lied a lot. He used a Mixed Economy with aspects of free enterprise and Socialized institutions. He used Christianity to kill, he used nationalism to kill, he used pride of ones race to kill others. Whatever that man touched, he used to kill others.
@rkeal1 forgive me... just seems a little bit too much like a narrative to me. for me, it doesn't seem to accurately model anything historical that has happened (i'm assuming this is a proposed archetype for what happened in the 20th century with the world wars and what not) or that will happen and doesn't seem to have any useful moral or lesson to be learned. it just seems a little too goofy for me to take seriously... for me, this "storyline" can be found in many pseudo-historical comic books.
It apparently almost happened after the world war when the State was no longer needed to funnel others resources. Once the war ended, said "planners" did everything in their power to maintain control over the populace.
"Planners" all arise from a disaster such as war and famine. And once they get given their position, they don't like it been taken away.
Bureaucrats are easy to get in somewhere, but they entrench themselves in through unions and other means to hold off the public.
Hayek detested democracy and admired the efficiency of the Fascists in eliminating communists, liberals and other competitors from the marketplace of ideas. Aside from being poorly read and narrowly educated Hayek was the type of bourgeois reactionary in whom the Nazis found their most ardent supporters. Hayek was a prototype of the middle class intellectual who made a career of attacking "Marxism" without the benefit of ever having been known to read a single piece of Marx's work.
@jazzbo66zz Marx's BS can be dissected with his simple motto, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." This violates natural law and the extreme case would have a genius (doing the work of 10 men) supplying resources for 10 mentally retarded people. Marxism enslaves the productive. Personally I tend towards anarchy, observing that the properties between humans aren't sufficient to justify one class of people who rule over all others (government).
Okay, so you have not read Marx and you do not know who you are quoting. Fascism is natural law also known as the law of the jungle or in capitalism's terms the survival of the fittest. The mass man of capitalism is das uber mensch or superman of Nazism. Fascism and capitalism merge in the final stage of conflict and consume democracy. Your thesis has two enemies to eliminate, history is one and democracy is the other. Seig Heil !!!
@jazzbo66zz I quoted Marx. You respond that I have not read Marx... Natural law is the highest law. Humans are not above nature, and as long as ignore this, we run the risk of losing all the evolutionary gains made in the past million years. The reason humans dominate the planet is only through the "law of the jungle" natural selection that gave the smartest and healthiest a much higher reproductive rate. The error of modern capitalism is the most productive aren't having the most children.
Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly Capitalism. Capitalism is an offshoot of the protestant reformation that is now entering its final period of crisis. If democracy is to survive capitalism will not see the next century or else it will destroy every thing it has not already consumed. The Austrians made careers out of acting as political ideologues & front men in the lead up to the formation of the military industrial complex. Fanatics recreate the very tyranny they seek to displace.
This is a case of projection by the right wing neo-feudalists who span the Austrian economic quacks and the neoclassicals like Milton Friedman. They are playing the role of villain here in the name of "freedom". They say There is No Alternative.
@lordhighexecutioner wrong. immerse yourself in collectivism or socialism or progressivism (whichever "ism" you want to call it today) but when you try to enslave EVERYONE ELSE into your uniform code of socioeconomics, then you've crossed the line ala Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Mao, etc.
there's good reason why people flee from countries where that type of megalomaniac rules with an iron fist and come to the "neofudalist" west, as you deride it.
Wise up, monopoly Capitalism is just another iron fist. 3 to 5 million people officially emigrate from the US to social democracies elsewhere every year, the unofficial #s are much higher. America is not the whole of the free world and in my view hardly the most prosperous Democracy on the planet. It is in fact a failing empire long past its prime.
@lordhighexecutioner Funny that the Austrian economists you accuse of being feudalists are the ones that recognize tyranny in all its forms as an evil. Tu ne cede malis, my friend. It is those in power that would rule you who believe themselves our lords.
If that were the case the Austrian's might have had the imagination envision that at centuries end Capitalism would form the foundation of a tyrannical corporate state of its own. I take note of your choice of the word,'"evil".. Capitalism is a dead end Utopia if I ever saw one. Tyranny in my view represents the destruction of democracy and that is what history has subsequently shown us. Capitalism and Democracy are antithetical to one another.
"They try to sell the plan" - sounds like the birth or right wing think tanks to peddle economic suicide plans that profit those who drew up the plan! "Confidence in planners fades" - exactly what the right wing plotted to do and used the think tanks and media promoted this idea. The "strong man" - or woman, like Thatcher, or Pinochet? The scapegoat? Public sector workers, unions, "welfare scroungers", communists? "There is no room for a difference of opinion." There is No Alternative.
Capitalisms secret fear is the fear of competition. This explains why capitalism supports de facto one party systems. A classic example of this is the US.
@saw4fire: To put it simple: I'll rather have good and affordable health care available for everyone rather the TOP quality health care for few people.
Capitalism will not tolerate dissent in the form of economic democracy of any kind. Capitalism is the foundation of a political monopoly and it invents enemies to justify its ultimate reformation of daily life in a corporate totalitarian state where everyone is a serf below the 10th percentile or so. The ironies of Hayek's rhetoric are breath taking. His true believers are cut from the same cloth as the Nazi's; rugged individualists to a man.
@jazzbo66zz Capitalism is not about monopolies. A monopoly is contrary to capitalism. Monopolies usually form due to government intervention (governments favoring certain parties) . The Governments place in a Capitalistic economy is to ensure that fraud does not take place, or that companies do not form de facto governments, and to provide some infrastructure.
@MoralMoney Both. I am an economics major, and I have seen that most of the time, the greatest barrier to entry that monopolies throw out is the patronage of the powerful in government. The only other way a monopoly can form is in the total absence of government, when a company becomes a de facto government.
@mathewfinch I think your teachers are trying to tell that patents and copyrights create a temporary monopoly. But then they proceed to explain the need to regulate "natural monopolies." They also should elaborate on oligopoly and monopolistic competition. If they let you think that perfectly competitive markets are the norm, rather than the exception, then they are being very irresponsible. But, economic theory aside, the point of competition is to win and winning means a greater market share.
@mathewfinch not entirely true.. monopolies can form outside of govt control/planning.. the trick is keeping ppl bureaucratic out of office that support the various markets/industries at the expense of society at large...
@mathewfinch Sorry to be a pedant, but the point you are actually making is that coercive monopolies could not exist in a free market. Non-coercive ones could and would, and that is no bad thing. Capitalism IS about monopolies, it is the extent to which the government interferes that determines how damaging those monopolies can be. The less government intervention, the more benign the monopolies will be.
@mathewfinch well, there are coercive and noncoercive monopolies.a coercive one requires intervention from the government of some sort and yet it is the non monopolies that are constantly decried as being coervice.an example of a coercive monopoly is a power company that is granted 'jurisdiction' over a certain area wherein no other power company can operate.a non one can and will not last because the market will adjust.the eeevil industrialists that built this country had coercive ones.
@mathewfinch Monopolies don't form due to government intervention. The government created anti trust laws to prevent monopolies. what market force could break up monopolies in oil for example? there is no innovation in oil and a monopoly can always under cut competition in price.
The government broke up at&t / bell's monopoly over the phone system creating tons of competition, jobs, and lower prices. long distance rates are lower today than they were before their monopoly was broken up.
@jazzbo66zz Fascism is not individualistic. Fascism is a collectivist philosophy that says that the well being of the group/collective/state is more important/trumps individual rights. Individualism is the opposite of Fascism (Naziism is, of course, an economic, nationalistic socialist philosophy (Not workers of the world unite, workers of Germany unite.))
Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly capitalism & its individualist hero. Capitalism constructs an ideal mass man who is a cog in the machine of the marketplace. Fascism idolized this heroic national ideal just as capitalism nationalizes the ideal market individualist. Both of these mythic figures are drawn from Social Darwinisms ruthless competitor/ survivor. The demands of capitalisms ideological conformity produce a narcissistic but highly standardized "individualist".
Can anybody point to where this scenario has ever occurred or where it is likely to occur? Nothing but paranoid musings from an economist way out of his depth politically. Pure fiction.
I hope the mixup at the beginning where the first slide--on the lies about war--was almost cutout isn't an intentional neoconservative censoring measure.That would be truly ironic if the creator was engaging in the very things Hayek was prophetically warning us about.Let all consrvtves be honest with themselves--the fascist police state foisted on us by the treachery of the Bush Administration was part and parcel of Hitler's Nazi strategy.The 'freedom for security' exchng was and always is a LIE
And WE -in the US-had the first elements of that with WWII and FDR. Nobody could build what they were good at building. Everybody had to to build something different by government fiat. So our machine guns broke, torpedo boats were too slow, planes were built that broke up into little pieces when they got shot, our tanks sucked, etc. etc. And propaganda everywhere. Brilliant satire-except too true.
Funny the book was originally published by General Motors, which has now been renamed Government Motors. And then the owners of Government Motors have started to badmouth a competitor, Toyota.
We have already dangerously gone down this road, and it is truly frightening.
Everywhere in the mainstream media is lies. I have to turn to the alternative press and Russia Today just to find out what is really happening.
@saw4fire Look at the facts, US spends most money on the health care and still far behind the European countries with central planned health with quality of service.
@Shangha1 Those are not the facts. Sure, everybody has coverage in those countries, but coverage does not mean care. To say that our care is "far behind" shows your ignorance. When a Saudi prince needs health care, where does he go? He goes to the US, because it has the best care available. No, "central planned health care" is another way of saying rationed health care.
It's the overture from the opera Tannhäuser by Richard Wagner. It's an awesome powerful work. I had the chance to see it performed live some years back.
@septrenarion . It's the Overture from Tannhauser by Wagner. Ironic choice, considering the Nazis (Hitler in particular) tried to co-opt Wagner's work as evidence of Teutonic or Aryan Supremacy. No doubt that's partly why it was chosen for this video. Anyway, the music can be enjoyed for it's own sake, now that you can access it in full.
That gave me the chills. To think 75 years ago we came THAT close to becoming a socialist dictatorship thanks to that fraud FDR. FDR Iread was a secret admirer of Adolph Hitler and his national socialism. He even opposed civil rights.
@jfpboro Churchill invented carpet bombing of civilian areas. If anyone deserves blame for the war, it is England, or rather the jews who dominated the proceedings at Versailles, parcelled Germany's land to create new countries (which Hitler then reunited). Hitler didn't agree to Versailles, and blamed those responsible, the jewish communists, and communism is indisputably a jewish ideology. Jews ran the gulags where tens of millions were killed.
@jfpboro He was a sociopath who thought waging war successfully was the highest form of human endeavor. He also was a big admirer of Mussolini, and as late as 1940 was lauding him as a "great leader".
@phantastickyle another NWO fanatic. fuck off, seriously. there is no new world order in the way you claim. this is as dumb at the christian's rapture or flat earthers, well, flat earth.
superstition and speculation, keep it to yourself.
@phantastickyle yeah, to claim churchill admired hitler is beyond laughable. infact i can't even think of a comparable analogy to show how outrageously stupid that comment is. i mean WTF, you'd have to be brought up in orwell's nightmare of intense self-contradicting double-talk propaganda to believe what you just said.
@phantastickyle FDR, whose cabinet was so full of jews, you think may have admired Hitler? His supreme court nominees are the entire reason most of the anti-white, unconstitutional civil rights legislation got through decades later.
@phantastickyle I disagree completely. Look into the attempted coupe by American Fascists. They hoped to use General Smedley Butler to lead 500,000 men against the president. However, Butler exposed the attempt. If you are looking for Nazi-sympathizers, find out who asked Butler to lead the coupe; here is a clue, it was not FDR
@phantastickyle As Hayek says, most socialists simply do not see the end game for their ideology. They aren't totalitarians, eugenicists, or fascists. They honestly believe - foolishly - that their utopia is obtainable through democratic means, and don't realized the hell trying for it will bring. It doesn't excuse their stupidity and ignorance, but it is wrong to paint them as evil.
@brainiacgames -- My problem with people like Hayek is they assume that socialism actually has an "end game". This is totalitarianism within economic theory, to say that if you don't subscribe to total non-regulation then you must be a totalitarian. This is what allows conservatives today to load all their arguments into the sensationalized meaning of words that connote totalitarianism. That is, if you don't vaguely believe in "freedom" and "values" then you're a Stalinist.
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CommonSenseLako 1 month ago
We are at number 9 now
MrDevong 1 month ago
Omg I love Tannhauser
Cmu6eh 1 month ago
Did you guys not learn anything from Hayek just now?
Capitalism = eventual tyranny.
Socialism = eventual tyranny.
(this is similar to the left/right paradigm we're all familiar with)
CENTRAL PLANNING IS NOT THE ANSWER!
Decentralized local governing and competing currency IS the answer. Learn Natural Law (or common law).
thejoolien 1 month ago
1. LargeCorp can't compete for customers, so lobbies the government to regulate it's industry
2. Federal regulations impose expensive rules LargeCorp lobbied for, planned for, and can afford. But some of LargeCorp's competitors can't.
3. With fewer competitors, LargeCorp grows into MegaCorp. It can now afford to buy out other competitors
4. The people get suspicious of MegaCorp's size and instustry consolidation. They demand more government regulation
5. Repeat steps 2, 3, and 4 indefinitely.
gabebuchanan 1 month ago
Great upload! Those planners who intend only to serve the public interest end up creating a dictatorship and make people worst off.
diogotomediogo 2 months ago
@saulllish
You are truly stupid if you think usa is socialist, the congress is pretty much owned by corporations, corporations that will only get stronger if these Laissez-faire crap propagated by people like you get in power.
Laissez-faire would only work if you prevent corporations from controlling the government, but that would require regulation, and once that happens, it becomes interventionism.
trolololoz 2 months ago
@trolololoz 1. Hayek argued strongly against Laissez-faire. It is, in fact, the first thing he says in the Road to Serfdom.
2. Corporations controlling the government is a form of socialism. Libertarians argue that the government will always be corrupt, so let's give them as little power as possible. Corporations controlling congress is not the problem - the problem is that the congress has the power to make their every whim a reality.
Maidenfanatic 1 month ago
Love It! Tea Party All Day 414 North Side Baby!!!
RolandeMusic 2 months ago
Nowadays US is a SOCIALIST country(BAILOUTS, MONOPOLIES, SUBSIDIES,COORPORATISM) The problem with US is SOCIALISM Americans want and need more FREEDOM!
saulllish 2 months ago
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once started, planners just can't help themselves
PADRAEG 3 months ago
Most libertarians simply do not see the end game for their ideology. They aren't totalitarians, eugenicists, or fascists. They honestly believe - foolishly - that their utopia is obtainable through capitalist means, and don't realize the hell trying for it will bring. It doesn't excuse their stupidity and ignorance, but it is wrong to paint them as evil.
Cheshie 4 months ago
@Cheshie Hahahahahaha Socialism=tiranny Capitalism=Freedom<3
saulllish 2 months ago
one of the problems is the supposed yardstick of value(money) is abstract - and even where its not its only relevant to a few comoditys - for it to be absolute it would need to reflect every resource another is its mechanism of maximizing self interest via markets cant be shown to empiricaly work for everyone as there is often no money demand to buy food by starving people also the means exist to achieve abundance but do not manifest via this mechanism -please watch zeitgeist moving forward
MrIzzyDizzy 4 months ago
Thank you for posting this video!
professorcurtis 5 months ago
I like how all these people blame the busnesses for being in bed with the governmemt. Well it takes two people to go to bed and governments are the problem. Flat tax ,term limits, regulation of government ,and a little bit of industrial regulation are the answers. Example: no pot manufacturing
chiefmanytkdown2 6 months ago
No stupid if you read the book their are two types of socialist. The nice ones like yourself who pave the way for ruthless ones like stalin and hitler
chiefmanytkdown2 6 months ago
I would rather work for a private owned monopoly and have the option of quitting than being forced to work for a government owned monopoly.
chiefmanytkdown2 6 months ago
anyone know what music this is from lol
MrBigEnchilada 6 months ago
wow man i didnt see number 1...it went by too fast...
MrBigEnchilada 6 months ago
His thoughts were written and based solely on what happened to the Jews in Nazi Germany.Conservatives continually use his quotes to prop up the disastrous consequences of successful implemantation of conservative policies of "Free Markets" in this country.Those failures are leading us to third world status.
pep103 7 months ago
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nhwapshott 7 months ago
@MoralMoney I think you missed the point though. Capitalism is about freedom. Two parties come together to make an exchange that will result in both parties satisfaction. When you have a monopoly, that can undermine the position of the buyer (demand side) to the point where it is no longer capitalism, but a weird sort of private socialism. Socialism is about manipulating these exchanges (usually by force) to fit into a pre-ordained "plan."
mathewfinch 7 months ago
@mathewfinch Unregulated capitalism eventually leads to monopoly. The point of competition is to win, right? Winning in a market system means gaining an ever larger share of the market and making things less competitive. Competition is great. It leads to efficiency. But if you leave it unregulated, it leads to monopoly. We need to handle first things first. 75% of Americans agree special interests have too much power in DC. Do you talk about that ever? Why not? Divided and conquered
MoralMoney 6 months ago
@MoralMoney But there's always someone who doesn't want the monopoly. That person will invest in his/her own company and provide competition. And yeah special interests are a problem, but that's proof we don't have truly free markets. In a truly free market, a monopoly is pretty hard.
xtremejohnny69 6 months ago
@xtremejohnny69 You Austrians are so theoretical. In reality can you or I start a wind powered electric facility in our basement? What about an investment bank to compete with Goldman Sachs? Me too, I want a Goldman Sachs. And I'm pretty sure I've got an innovation: it's called not screwing over my investors. Most Libs are all about markets and competition; that's why we need an active anti-trust and regulatory role for the gov. But step 1 for everyone: limit the role of the lobbies.
MoralMoney 6 months ago
@MoralMoney That's where investors come in. Also if you were to work your way up in a business, there's another part of start up money. We didn't have monopolies in America until government got in bed with business.
xtremejohnny69 6 months ago
@xtremejohnny69 Investors may help, but I think you know what kind of connections that takes. Also, try not to make history fit your theory. It's a major fault of Austrians. Instead, brush up on your anti-trust history. A brief read on the Sherman Antitrust Act, why it was passed, and who it was applied to, would prevent you from making such inaccurate claims such as, "We didn't have monopolies in America until government for in bed with business." Correction: we had them both before and after.
MoralMoney 6 months ago
If "we the people" vote to aid the sick, uneducated and homeless, it becomes unpatriotic to do otherwise. If the nation’s “haves” voluntarily took on the responsibility for the “have-nots” there would be little need for the mechanisms of government to tax and spend, other than for the national defense.
gotherecom 7 months ago
gotherecom - The Tea Party people advocate the opposite of government planning....their whole message is that they want limited government and more individual freedom, so how would that relate to Nazi's?
violetcj 8 months ago
This might as well have been the PRC policy in five minutes.
theyangist 8 months ago
Typical josh...
akzy 8 months ago
Now, just substitute "Tea Party" for "Nazi Party" and see how that changes the message.
gotherecom 8 months ago
@gotherecom - The Tea Party people advocate the opposite of government planning....their whole message is that they want limited government and more individual freedom, so how is that like the Nazi's?
violetcj 8 months ago
@gotherecom You have it exactly backwards. The Tea Party is a grassroots effort AGAINST the planners and their utopias.
sconigli 7 months ago
@sconigli The Tea Party seems more like an “Astroturf” movement that will replace government by the people with government by corporations. Too much governmental control by one party or too much governmental control by corporations could easily lead to fascism. Nazism appears when one charismatic, fascist leader takes control of government.
gotherecom 7 months ago
@sconigli You mean the Tea Party which is funded by Freedom Works which is funded by Koch Industries, Inc., the second largest corporation in the US? Forgive me if I fail to see how that is "grassroots."
MoralMoney 7 months ago
@MoralMoney The Tea Party is funded by the Koch Brothers? Paranoid much?
sconigli 7 months ago
@sconigli You've got the powers of google, right? Why don't you look into it yourself? It's a fact that Freedom Works (aka the Tea Party) has been funded by the Kochs from the get-go.
MoralMoney 7 months ago
@MoralMoney From which orifice did you pull this factoid?
Hank0Rearden 6 months ago
@Hank0Rearden Are you really too lazy to google "Koch brothers Tea Party"? Or is it that you can't face reality so you choose to ignore it? I'm going with the later, considering the authoritarian nature of conservatives.
MoralMoney 6 months ago
The US does not have free market capitalism. Tell me, why do YOU think Goldman $achs was his bigge$t contributor?? People like you don't understand how truly damaging the bailout heist was to the nation.
"Capitalism is profit and loss... if you bail out the losers there's no end to the cost" (not my words). Do you think that the corporate cronies - who are well connected to big government - won't act differently if they know there's no risk? That the taxpayer can soften their fall regardless??
bobshenix 7 months ago 8
Was the abolition of the nobility, of which he was a member. That may have soured him on programs that redistributed wealth.
OlliHazard 8 months ago
@ 111andrew111: Actually, no. Hayek had relatively little experience of fascism in Austria because he had long since moved to London. He became a British citizen in 1938, the same year that Austria embraced NazIsm. But one Austrian experience that may well have influenced him was the aboli a member of the nobility, however, he did lose that
OlliHazard 8 months ago
Oh no! Not the golf clubs! 4:33
mannix1969 8 months ago
one vital part of this strip is very quickly shown (almost hidden) "reproduced from a booklet published by General Motors, Detroit, in the thought starter series"
now im not saying Hayek was wrong because he so obviously had first hand experience being Austrian but you must remember who benifits from a dissmantelling of the public sector.
111andrew111 10 months ago
Yeah, that's exactly what I think about socialism. Hayek got it right. =)
IBMua 10 months ago
Anyone with two eyes and half a brain can see how far we are on this "road to serfdom."
reneh 10 months ago
That was a powerful video.
gutsyt123 1 year ago
¨Families and churches and schools adapt to modern life; governments and armies and corporations shape it; and, as they do so, they turn these lesser institutions into means for their ends.¨ -C. Wright Mills
ChimeraWarrior73 1 year ago
As long as you baboons continue with your idiotic Democrat vs. Republican diatribes, they win! It isn’t left vs. right. It’s the Power Elite vs. everyone else. The Power Elite is not made up of people. The Power Elite are people in a constant state of flux PLUS the institutions through which they operate.
ChimeraWarrior73 1 year ago
The most elementary politics textbook will tell you that Nazism (National Socialism) and 'Socialism' have nothing to do with one another. This cartoon is patented nonsense
viarain 1 year ago
@viarain
Are those books that pass the government's (DOE) smell test I'm assuming?
toddclemmer 1 year ago
@viarain Straight from the horses mouth: Hitler’s speech on May 1, 1927 "We are socialists, we are enemies of today’s capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are determined to destroy this system under all conditions."
There are scores more examples, just do a little research buddy. Don't be gullible.
tmoallen 9 months ago
@tmoallen
Hitler lied bro, he lied a lot. He used a Mixed Economy with aspects of free enterprise and Socialized institutions. He used Christianity to kill, he used nationalism to kill, he used pride of ones race to kill others. Whatever that man touched, he used to kill others.
mooeythemooseman 8 months ago
This is exactly how they brought obama in, and now people are surprised he used the political capital they lent him. LOL LOL!!!
deceiver123m 1 year ago
what the hell is this shit? the music is nice, but this shit is straight up silly.
ambagoli21 1 year ago
@ambagoli21 Grow up son! Pay attention and learn something! You eat with that mouth?
rkeal1 1 year ago
@rkeal1 forgive me... just seems a little bit too much like a narrative to me. for me, it doesn't seem to accurately model anything historical that has happened (i'm assuming this is a proposed archetype for what happened in the 20th century with the world wars and what not) or that will happen and doesn't seem to have any useful moral or lesson to be learned. it just seems a little too goofy for me to take seriously... for me, this "storyline" can be found in many pseudo-historical comic books.
ambagoli21 1 year ago
@ambagoli21
It apparently almost happened after the world war when the State was no longer needed to funnel others resources. Once the war ended, said "planners" did everything in their power to maintain control over the populace.
"Planners" all arise from a disaster such as war and famine. And once they get given their position, they don't like it been taken away.
Bureaucrats are easy to get in somewhere, but they entrench themselves in through unions and other means to hold off the public.
mooeythemooseman 8 months ago
Hayek detested democracy and admired the efficiency of the Fascists in eliminating communists, liberals and other competitors from the marketplace of ideas. Aside from being poorly read and narrowly educated Hayek was the type of bourgeois reactionary in whom the Nazis found their most ardent supporters. Hayek was a prototype of the middle class intellectual who made a career of attacking "Marxism" without the benefit of ever having been known to read a single piece of Marx's work.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Marx's BS can be dissected with his simple motto, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need." This violates natural law and the extreme case would have a genius (doing the work of 10 men) supplying resources for 10 mentally retarded people. Marxism enslaves the productive. Personally I tend towards anarchy, observing that the properties between humans aren't sufficient to justify one class of people who rule over all others (government).
hughtub 1 year ago
@hughtub
Okay, so you have not read Marx and you do not know who you are quoting. Fascism is natural law also known as the law of the jungle or in capitalism's terms the survival of the fittest. The mass man of capitalism is das uber mensch or superman of Nazism. Fascism and capitalism merge in the final stage of conflict and consume democracy. Your thesis has two enemies to eliminate, history is one and democracy is the other. Seig Heil !!!
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz I quoted Marx. You respond that I have not read Marx... Natural law is the highest law. Humans are not above nature, and as long as ignore this, we run the risk of losing all the evolutionary gains made in the past million years. The reason humans dominate the planet is only through the "law of the jungle" natural selection that gave the smartest and healthiest a much higher reproductive rate. The error of modern capitalism is the most productive aren't having the most children.
hughtub 1 year ago
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It's Richard Wagner, Tannhauser overture
MrCastanamir 1 year ago
It's Richard Wagner, Tannhauser overture
MrCastanamir 1 year ago
I love the art. Very well done.
wohs145 1 year ago
Well done. Thank you.
akaGaGa 1 year ago
Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly Capitalism. Capitalism is an offshoot of the protestant reformation that is now entering its final period of crisis. If democracy is to survive capitalism will not see the next century or else it will destroy every thing it has not already consumed. The Austrians made careers out of acting as political ideologues & front men in the lead up to the formation of the military industrial complex. Fanatics recreate the very tyranny they seek to displace.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
i love the setup for this vid, making it look like a pre sound movie. excellent.
TheAttackRat 1 year ago
Friedrich Hayek is a fag! >:-[
Zanarkke 1 year ago
This is a case of projection by the right wing neo-feudalists who span the Austrian economic quacks and the neoclassicals like Milton Friedman. They are playing the role of villain here in the name of "freedom". They say There is No Alternative.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner wrong. immerse yourself in collectivism or socialism or progressivism (whichever "ism" you want to call it today) but when you try to enslave EVERYONE ELSE into your uniform code of socioeconomics, then you've crossed the line ala Chavez, Castro, Stalin, Mao, etc.
there's good reason why people flee from countries where that type of megalomaniac rules with an iron fist and come to the "neofudalist" west, as you deride it.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@SimulacrumMaster
Wise up, monopoly Capitalism is just another iron fist. 3 to 5 million people officially emigrate from the US to social democracies elsewhere every year, the unofficial #s are much higher. America is not the whole of the free world and in my view hardly the most prosperous Democracy on the planet. It is in fact a failing empire long past its prime.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner Funny that the Austrian economists you accuse of being feudalists are the ones that recognize tyranny in all its forms as an evil. Tu ne cede malis, my friend. It is those in power that would rule you who believe themselves our lords.
mintbuzzLB 1 year ago
@mintbuzzLB
If that were the case the Austrian's might have had the imagination envision that at centuries end Capitalism would form the foundation of a tyrannical corporate state of its own. I take note of your choice of the word,'"evil".. Capitalism is a dead end Utopia if I ever saw one. Tyranny in my view represents the destruction of democracy and that is what history has subsequently shown us. Capitalism and Democracy are antithetical to one another.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
"They try to sell the plan" - sounds like the birth or right wing think tanks to peddle economic suicide plans that profit those who drew up the plan! "Confidence in planners fades" - exactly what the right wing plotted to do and used the think tanks and media promoted this idea. The "strong man" - or woman, like Thatcher, or Pinochet? The scapegoat? Public sector workers, unions, "welfare scroungers", communists? "There is no room for a difference of opinion." There is No Alternative.
lordhighexecutioner 1 year ago
@lordhighexecutioner
Capitalisms secret fear is the fear of competition. This explains why capitalism supports de facto one party systems. A classic example of this is the US.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
The "strong man" is Obama.
modifiedcontent 1 year ago
I think the music is Wagner, His opera Tannheuser. Sorry about the spelling,
fairman1952 1 year ago
@saw4fire: To put it simple: I'll rather have good and affordable health care available for everyone rather the TOP quality health care for few people.
Shangha1 1 year ago
@Shangha1 if its so good for everyone then why arent federal workers abiding by it?
Mbsmoothie 1 year ago
@Mbsmoothie because legislators, the "planners," know better than to abide by their own laws.
SimulacrumMaster 1 year ago
@Shangha1
Capitalism will not tolerate dissent in the form of economic democracy of any kind. Capitalism is the foundation of a political monopoly and it invents enemies to justify its ultimate reformation of daily life in a corporate totalitarian state where everyone is a serf below the 10th percentile or so. The ironies of Hayek's rhetoric are breath taking. His true believers are cut from the same cloth as the Nazi's; rugged individualists to a man.
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
@jazzbo66zz Capitalism is not about monopolies. A monopoly is contrary to capitalism. Monopolies usually form due to government intervention (governments favoring certain parties) . The Governments place in a Capitalistic economy is to ensure that fraud does not take place, or that companies do not form de facto governments, and to provide some infrastructure.
mathewfinch 1 year ago 11
@mathewfinch "Monopolies usually form due to government intervention" -Just curious, is that your idea or did you read/hear that somewhere?
MoralMoney 7 months ago
@MoralMoney Both. I am an economics major, and I have seen that most of the time, the greatest barrier to entry that monopolies throw out is the patronage of the powerful in government. The only other way a monopoly can form is in the total absence of government, when a company becomes a de facto government.
mathewfinch 7 months ago
@mathewfinch I think your teachers are trying to tell that patents and copyrights create a temporary monopoly. But then they proceed to explain the need to regulate "natural monopolies." They also should elaborate on oligopoly and monopolistic competition. If they let you think that perfectly competitive markets are the norm, rather than the exception, then they are being very irresponsible. But, economic theory aside, the point of competition is to win and winning means a greater market share.
MoralMoney 7 months ago
@mathewfinch not entirely true.. monopolies can form outside of govt control/planning.. the trick is keeping ppl bureaucratic out of office that support the various markets/industries at the expense of society at large...
trufiend138 7 months ago
@mathewfinch Sorry to be a pedant, but the point you are actually making is that coercive monopolies could not exist in a free market. Non-coercive ones could and would, and that is no bad thing. Capitalism IS about monopolies, it is the extent to which the government interferes that determines how damaging those monopolies can be. The less government intervention, the more benign the monopolies will be.
bertiethetoupee4 7 months ago
@mathewfinch well, there are coercive and noncoercive monopolies.a coercive one requires intervention from the government of some sort and yet it is the non monopolies that are constantly decried as being coervice.an example of a coercive monopoly is a power company that is granted 'jurisdiction' over a certain area wherein no other power company can operate.a non one can and will not last because the market will adjust.the eeevil industrialists that built this country had coercive ones.
510shredder 5 months ago
@mathewfinch Monopolies don't form due to government intervention. The government created anti trust laws to prevent monopolies. what market force could break up monopolies in oil for example? there is no innovation in oil and a monopoly can always under cut competition in price.
The government broke up at&t / bell's monopoly over the phone system creating tons of competition, jobs, and lower prices. long distance rates are lower today than they were before their monopoly was broken up.
orginunknown 4 months ago
@jazzbo66zz Fascism is not individualistic. Fascism is a collectivist philosophy that says that the well being of the group/collective/state is more important/trumps individual rights. Individualism is the opposite of Fascism (Naziism is, of course, an economic, nationalistic socialist philosophy (Not workers of the world unite, workers of Germany unite.))
mathewfinch 1 year ago 2
@mathewfinch
Fascism is the political corollary of monopoly capitalism & its individualist hero. Capitalism constructs an ideal mass man who is a cog in the machine of the marketplace. Fascism idolized this heroic national ideal just as capitalism nationalizes the ideal market individualist. Both of these mythic figures are drawn from Social Darwinisms ruthless competitor/ survivor. The demands of capitalisms ideological conformity produce a narcissistic but highly standardized "individualist".
jazzbo66zz 1 year ago
Can anybody point to where this scenario has ever occurred or where it is likely to occur? Nothing but paranoid musings from an economist way out of his depth politically. Pure fiction.
jase3001 1 year ago
I hope the mixup at the beginning where the first slide--on the lies about war--was almost cutout isn't an intentional neoconservative censoring measure.That would be truly ironic if the creator was engaging in the very things Hayek was prophetically warning us about.Let all consrvtves be honest with themselves--the fascist police state foisted on us by the treachery of the Bush Administration was part and parcel of Hitler's Nazi strategy.The 'freedom for security' exchng was and always is a LIE
nefigaha 1 year ago
And to think Germans were giving away ipads back then (@2:45) =)
nefigaha 1 year ago
beautiful
tblach04 1 year ago
And WE -in the US-had the first elements of that with WWII and FDR. Nobody could build what they were good at building. Everybody had to to build something different by government fiat. So our machine guns broke, torpedo boats were too slow, planes were built that broke up into little pieces when they got shot, our tanks sucked, etc. etc. And propaganda everywhere. Brilliant satire-except too true.
hallmobility 1 year ago
The first panel is missing.
You can find this if you go to h tt p:// mises.o rg/books/TRTS/
zaqwert777 1 year ago
starting to look chillingly familiar.
Except, I suspect there will be powers constantly applying continual division and dissension to dissolve opposition, and eventually the republic.
Hence you will have a variety of "special interests" along the way.
vllmer 1 year ago
great post. 5 stars. thank you!
bdsw30 1 year ago
thank You, great work, looking forward to see more .. stay conservative! :)
OchotaJack 1 year ago
Funny the book was originally published by General Motors, which has now been renamed Government Motors. And then the owners of Government Motors have started to badmouth a competitor, Toyota.
We have already dangerously gone down this road, and it is truly frightening.
Everywhere in the mainstream media is lies. I have to turn to the alternative press and Russia Today just to find out what is really happening.
jmelkis 2 years ago 4
This reminds me of Obama's State of the Union Address. The ignorant voters just didn't get the brilliance of his plan for health care.
saw4fire 2 years ago 21
@saw4fire Look at the facts, US spends most money on the health care and still far behind the European countries with central planned health with quality of service.
Shangha1 1 year ago
@Shangha1 Those are not the facts. Sure, everybody has coverage in those countries, but coverage does not mean care. To say that our care is "far behind" shows your ignorance. When a Saudi prince needs health care, where does he go? He goes to the US, because it has the best care available. No, "central planned health care" is another way of saying rationed health care.
saw4fire 1 year ago
@saw4fire When a Saudi prince needs health care a goes to the US, then its not health care what he needs.
Shangha1 1 year ago
@saw4fire And those of us who don't see the brilliance of his plan are in line to be "reeducated".
exmarine66 8 months ago
@saw4fire
Dumb fuck, this is a libertarian video. Libertarians support abolishing Obamacare, Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, Social Security.
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bhstwo 2 years ago
Do you know what music this is?
septrenarion 2 years ago
No, sorry.
jfpboro 2 years ago
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@jfpboro It is Wagner's Tannhauser overture.
MrCastanamir 1 year ago
@jfpboro Tannhauser overture by Wagner
scottysmo88 1 year ago
It's by Richard Wagner. I'm pretty sure it's from Tannhauser (maybe the Overture). Try it on YouTube
notsureization 8 months ago
It's the overture from the opera Tannhäuser by Richard Wagner. It's an awesome powerful work. I had the chance to see it performed live some years back.
watch?v=QRHizA6IdzU
jmelkis 2 years ago 3
Thanks!
septrenarion 2 years ago
@septrenarion It's from Wagner's "Der Ring des Nibelungen".
ChuckMartel 1 year ago
@septrenarion It is Richard Wagner I can't remember which song it is specifically but it is from The Ring
M14Mann 1 year ago
@septrenarion Sorry for getting to you so late, but it's Tannhauser by Richard Wagner
Bellantoni 1 year ago
@septrenarion Rienzi overture by Wagner
dripsollig 1 year ago
@septrenarion Tannhauser Pilgrim's Chorus, by Wagner.
Worldslargestipod 1 year ago 2
@septrenarion Wagner, the pilagrims of Tannhauser or something I believe.
BinniLee2 1 year ago
@septrenarion It's from Richard Wagner's Tannhauser; the "Pilgrim's Chorus"
MaggieLeber 1 year ago
@septrenarion It's from Richard Wagner's Tannhauser; the "Pilgrim's Chorus".
MaggieLeber 1 year ago
@septrenarion This music is the Prelude to Richard Wagners "Tannhauser".
The Preludes to Lohengrin, Parsifal and Tristan and Isolde by the same composer are also brilliant.
Innyorkshire 1 year ago
@septrenarion It is the overture to Tannhauser by Wagner.
1914jk 10 months ago
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@septrenarion It is the overture to Tannhauser by Wagner.
1914jk 10 months ago
@septrenarion
If you don't already have the answer, it's the Wagner Pilgrim's Chorus, i'm not sure of the specific arrangement.
Worldslargestipod 9 months ago
@septrenarion . It's the Overture from Tannhauser by Wagner. Ironic choice, considering the Nazis (Hitler in particular) tried to co-opt Wagner's work as evidence of Teutonic or Aryan Supremacy. No doubt that's partly why it was chosen for this video. Anyway, the music can be enjoyed for it's own sake, now that you can access it in full.
notsureization 8 months ago
@septrenarion It is Wagner but I don't know which opera it is.
Pitacle2009 8 months ago
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sconigli 7 months ago
@Pitacle2009 Its the Overture from Tannhauser.
sconigli 7 months ago
the stupidest people are the most dangerous
freedominsomalia 2 years ago
phantastickyle your a cynical bitch. good video
moessinger5654 2 years ago
That gave me the chills. To think 75 years ago we came THAT close to becoming a socialist dictatorship thanks to that fraud FDR. FDR Iread was a secret admirer of Adolph Hitler and his national socialism. He even opposed civil rights.
phantastickyle 2 years ago
Don't be so harsh, he went to war against Hitler and his national socialism.
jfpboro 2 years ago 2
But secretly admired him. So did that cigar chomping new world order eugenicist schmuck Churchill.
phantastickyle 2 years ago
Churchill was one of the first to see Hitler as the threat he was.
jfpboro 2 years ago 14
@jfpboro Churchill invented carpet bombing of civilian areas. If anyone deserves blame for the war, it is England, or rather the jews who dominated the proceedings at Versailles, parcelled Germany's land to create new countries (which Hitler then reunited). Hitler didn't agree to Versailles, and blamed those responsible, the jewish communists, and communism is indisputably a jewish ideology. Jews ran the gulags where tens of millions were killed.
hughtub 1 year ago
@jfpboro He was a sociopath who thought waging war successfully was the highest form of human endeavor. He also was a big admirer of Mussolini, and as late as 1940 was lauding him as a "great leader".
pretorious700 1 year ago
@phantastickyle another NWO fanatic. fuck off, seriously. there is no new world order in the way you claim. this is as dumb at the christian's rapture or flat earthers, well, flat earth.
superstition and speculation, keep it to yourself.
TheAttackRat 1 year ago
@phantastickyle yeah, to claim churchill admired hitler is beyond laughable. infact i can't even think of a comparable analogy to show how outrageously stupid that comment is. i mean WTF, you'd have to be brought up in orwell's nightmare of intense self-contradicting double-talk propaganda to believe what you just said.
CytherLynx 1 year ago
@jfpboro But WHY? To save the Jews? Or for his own power and glory? And How? By Deceit. Read "Day of Deceit".
hallmobility 1 year ago
@jfpboro
I don't see where socialism has anything to do with Hitler or Roosevelt.
amartin7889 1 year ago
@phantastickyle FDR, whose cabinet was so full of jews, you think may have admired Hitler? His supreme court nominees are the entire reason most of the anti-white, unconstitutional civil rights legislation got through decades later.
hughtub 1 year ago
@phantastickyle I disagree completely. Look into the attempted coupe by American Fascists. They hoped to use General Smedley Butler to lead 500,000 men against the president. However, Butler exposed the attempt. If you are looking for Nazi-sympathizers, find out who asked Butler to lead the coupe; here is a clue, it was not FDR
shishkabobby 1 year ago
@phantastickyle As Hayek says, most socialists simply do not see the end game for their ideology. They aren't totalitarians, eugenicists, or fascists. They honestly believe - foolishly - that their utopia is obtainable through democratic means, and don't realized the hell trying for it will bring. It doesn't excuse their stupidity and ignorance, but it is wrong to paint them as evil.
brainiacgames 1 year ago 15
@brainiacgames That is so true. There is actually an old saying that best explains trying to create heaven on earth, but I can't find it.
HVACSoldier 1 year ago
@brainiacgames -- My problem with people like Hayek is they assume that socialism actually has an "end game". This is totalitarianism within economic theory, to say that if you don't subscribe to total non-regulation then you must be a totalitarian. This is what allows conservatives today to load all their arguments into the sensationalized meaning of words that connote totalitarianism. That is, if you don't vaguely believe in "freedom" and "values" then you're a Stalinist.
theseanze 6 months ago
I think us going to war with Hitler kept FDR from totally poisoning us.
toddclemmer 1 year ago
FREEDOM! It's worth fighting for!
SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!
DEO VINDICE!
RebelStangII 2 years ago 4
excellent!Great job!
mainestategop 2 years ago 7