People who keep on bashing these drummers, specially MP, should put up vidz that they can do better.
Mike Portnoy = multi awarded Prog-rock drummer and youngest HoF inductee in the Modern Drummer + Dave Weckl compliments him ( you dont hear Dave compliment metal drummers )
Accomplishments speak for him. So, if you can do better, post it... Or STFU.
The best drummers are those hwo play for the MUSIC even when soloing. And they keep time. And the listen to the other guys in the band and acenting them. Music is questions and answers. And a good drummer never feels that he need to show off. He play for the music.... These guys are the best in their styles.... Enough said....
I'm sorry people, I just think Sabian's roster of endorsers is just insane. Weckl, Mayer, Bozzio, DeJohnette, Zoro, Peart, Haake, the list goes and and on. I've tried all cymbals in a lot of stores. Heard all the big brands in almost every setting. Sabian wins hands down for me, just almost no contest. Zildjian has a little weight left within Jazz, but for the rest I'm not using another brand anytime soon. That's not hype, that's not ego, that's musical quality to me.
Props to Sabian for actually including the artists' unfavorable critiques towards the cymbals as well as the good. That's some honesty that you won't see in many companies. And it's only right; different players will want different sounds.
@bevocjohnson Yeah, like Weckl really meant it. If he did he's apparently unaware just how ridiculously higher his, and the other drummers level is compared to Portnoy. The guy is so brutally overrated, it's utter nonsense. Portnoy's a good drummer, that's it. I can easily think of 30 drummers by heart that would blow him away.
@Redspy27 Stop hating man. I'll GUARANTEE that you know 2 drummers (MAYBE) that could "blow Portnoy away". You seem to forget that being a good drummer doesn't mean having the most licks, having the best groove, having the fastest hands, etc. It's about mastering the style that you enjoy. Portnoy has gone far beyond that. How can you say that someone is overrated when he/she could play a Dream Theater set flawlessly for 25 years? Get an education man.
@XxStrongDrums1996xX Contrary to what you might think there are quite a lot of things to do on a drumkit that are a lot harder and take a lot more musical finesse than playing Dream Theater songs. And if we're equating being a great drummer with mastering a certain style than I guess we can lump in a whole bunch of more drummers in the "great drummer" category. Portnoy IS a great drummer and he is indeed very good in what he does. But overall as a drummer he doesn't impress me that much.
@Redspy27 Your supreme arrogance and lack of understanding of music astounds me. Go watch the Dance of Eternity and you will see how unbelievably difficult it is to play. There's so many time signature changes that I sincerely doubt you can even clap your hands properly to the song. I admit Portnoy isn't nearly as finesse-capable as some of the other guys you mentioned but that's simply because his aread of focus is completely different - power and speed and exacting meter-changes.
@Redspy27 Let's see Mayer, Chambers, Vinnie or Terry play a the Dance of Eternity or a Nightmare to Remember and I will gladly change my opinion and concede your argument. But honestly, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind actually believing that they are capable of; what with none of them mastering double kick to the degree Portnoy has. Do you honestly think Weckl has the feel for rock or metal that Portnoy has? I mean really..Weckl himself has only mastered jazz and fusion.
@85Aheadstix Peart hasn't mastered it all and neither has Bozzio. Neither of those drummers can do what Portnoy and Weckl are capable of. I dunno why you think Portnoy's overrated but if you listen to Dance of Eternity, Nightmare to Remember and the youtube video "Mike Portnoy's Killer Parts" you will see he is an elite drummer on par with anyone who has ever sat behind the kit.
@metalmike83 Pft!, hahahaha, What else does Weckly play beside boring jazz fusion?, Both Bozzio and Pearts styles have everything!, Geez man Bozzio is more musically minded than all of them!, his set up is simply a piano in disguise!(thats chromatonic and diatonic), lets see weckl play that!, And i dont get why Portnoys is there, he should be in a school rock ensemble, not with those masters.
Weckl is just an arrogant cunt, hes not that good!.
@85Aheadstix Just because Bozzio's kit has the full capability of a piano doesn't mean it sounds anything like it. To the contrary, I find his playing incredibly annoying and wish he would use his talents on a much more standard kit. As far as Weckl is concerned, was it not Bozzio that commented on how beautifully he played? Wasn't it Neil that said "thanks for the lesson" after hearing Dave play? Dave's one of the finest drummers of all time. Portnoy is too, in his own genre.
@metalmike83 Forget the size of Bozzios kit, its about what he plays!, Bozzio is a musician, the others are drummers, thats it and are you serious?, Portnoys boring as bat shit!, ive seen video of him being shown up by Ex DEATH drummer Richard christie and hes a Neanderthal in comparison!, get your ears checked!, and Peart was clearly kissing arse and being nice, hes such a humble guy, unlike that arrogant wank Weckl
@85Aheadstix I personally think Dave has the most finesse of any drummer alive. While Portnoy has power, badassary and raw intensity of metal and rock drumming which is coupled with his astounding creativity and culminates as a force of rock and metal drumming unto itself. Bozzio is a generalist who has some amazing grooves and independence and Neil has a fancy solo and not much else. What I wrote about Mike can be applied to Dave in regards to Jazz drumming.
@metalmike83 Finesse?, well i dunno maybe, i still thin portnoys the most overrated drummer, badassary?, serious?, everthing he plays is the same, Bozzio and Peart are progerssive drummers, they do shit the others would never think of, Bozzio is very experimental and he did play for Zappa remember?, only zappa had the best musos, i dont think mike could touch on Dave either.
@metalmike83: Mike Portnoy... The master of the single strokes. It really amazes me the amount of accolades that he received as a drummer. He survived the age in which drummers should apply paraddiles and ostinato stuffs on their playing. Musically, most of these guys in the room (specially Bozzio and Weckl) will blow him away in technicallity. BUT, MP has this something in his playing that these guys don't really have... And that mystique makes him a great prog-rock drummer!
@XxStrongDrums1996xX Oh and as for drummer's who can blow him away? Jojo Mayer, Virgil Donati, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Terry Bozzio, Dennis Chambers, Tony Royster jr, aaaand I could continue. Anyone who says those drummers just have "licks" or "fast hands" has no idea how much musical diversity these guys put in a performance. Portnoy's a great musician but showing a mastery in one or two styles does not make you one of the best drummers in the world imo.
@Redspy27 I think you are underestimating Mike's abilities. You don't get viewed as such a great player by NOT being such a great player. I don't find that each of the players you listed BLOW Mike away, but merely portray different musicality. Either way, I find it ridiculous to call drummers "overrated" and to say "this guy is better than that guy".
@Redspy27 As musicians, it is our job to practice the necessary material to get where we want to be. Mike, along with all the drummers you mentioned, have done just that. Saying that a drummer isn't good (in most cases) is like telling him/her that he/she has the wrong taste in music. This is immature, and shows lack of education. Now, I'm not trashing you personally, I'm just stating a point.
@Redspy27 That's ironic you say that because in no way have Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dave Weckl, Terry Bozzio, Jojo Mayer, or Tony Royster jr demonstrated an ability to play some of the intense metal that Portnoy has played. I mean, shit, dog; only Virgil, Royster, and Bozzio even sure a fervent love of double kick yet you assert that all of these players are somehow light-years ahead of Portnoy. I will admit though, that Virgil is far more technically advanced.
@metalmike83 Hahahaha, Portnoy?, plays "intense" metal?, where and when?
When was dream theater "intense" or really metal?, and if you mean Evenged gay-fold then im laughing at you, they are whiniest pop shit i've ever heard.
Sure Portnoy blows their shitty rev out of the water, but Neanderthals like Hoglan destroy portnoy.
@85Aheadstix: Andrenalie Mob.... and btw, MP doesn't play "intense metal". The best metal you'll get from him is on the Train Of Thought and Systematic Chaos albums.
He's not a "metal" drummer. He's a Prog-rock/metal drummer.
ive met portnoy a couple times and his face will turn red if you tell him how much you like his playing,im not lying dude will blush! and how can anyone think that terry bozzio sucks,his playing is incredible!
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casekw01 5 days ago
People who keep on bashing these drummers, specially MP, should put up vidz that they can do better.
Mike Portnoy = multi awarded Prog-rock drummer and youngest HoF inductee in the Modern Drummer + Dave Weckl compliments him ( you dont hear Dave compliment metal drummers )
Accomplishments speak for him. So, if you can do better, post it... Or STFU.
danceofeternity3824 5 days ago
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Weckl complimenting Portnoy:
"Son, forget your Dream Theater career. Btw, great drumming..." =))
danceofeternity3824 5 days ago
Whats that overrated hack portnoy doing there!?.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago in playlist SABIAN
I wish Dave Weckl would tell me my playing was awesome.
haX0r3 1 week ago 2
just wondering... how many times have they rehearsed this dialogue?
CaraminTim 1 week ago
0:26, MP :[off camera] gonna shit my pants gonna shit my pants DONT SAY I PLAY GOOD!
0:29, DW :great playing!
0:30 MP :oh shit!
Clancedrums 1 month ago in playlist Meer video's van SabianVault 3
The best drummers are those hwo play for the MUSIC even when soloing. And they keep time. And the listen to the other guys in the band and acenting them. Music is questions and answers. And a good drummer never feels that he need to show off. He play for the music.... These guys are the best in their styles.... Enough said....
123LarsUlrich 1 month ago
i like how well neil fits in with these guys
shed412 1 month ago
lol Discussions on drums.....
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thomaslejon 2 months ago
I'm sorry people, I just think Sabian's roster of endorsers is just insane. Weckl, Mayer, Bozzio, DeJohnette, Zoro, Peart, Haake, the list goes and and on. I've tried all cymbals in a lot of stores. Heard all the big brands in almost every setting. Sabian wins hands down for me, just almost no contest. Zildjian has a little weight left within Jazz, but for the rest I'm not using another brand anytime soon. That's not hype, that's not ego, that's musical quality to me.
Redspy27 2 months ago
Playing in front of Dave Weckl...no pressure...
Phiznat5000 2 months ago 4
1:30
Bozzio was verbally shitted on. lol
pErCusSIOn240 2 months ago
bozzio is a wack-job
jackthedrummer96 2 months ago
1:35 Weckl to Bozzio - "you have 65,000 cymbals on your set"
manuelergcruz 2 months ago
1:28 lol hilarious how the 3 roast bozzio
ru4c 3 months ago
Props to Sabian for actually including the artists' unfavorable critiques towards the cymbals as well as the good. That's some honesty that you won't see in many companies. And it's only right; different players will want different sounds.
rigemeister 3 months ago 7
screw the dream theater career, when Dave Weckl says 'great playing,' you know you've made it.
bevocjohnson 3 months ago 8
@bevocjohnson Yeah, like Weckl really meant it. If he did he's apparently unaware just how ridiculously higher his, and the other drummers level is compared to Portnoy. The guy is so brutally overrated, it's utter nonsense. Portnoy's a good drummer, that's it. I can easily think of 30 drummers by heart that would blow him away.
Redspy27 2 months ago
@Redspy27 Stop hating man. I'll GUARANTEE that you know 2 drummers (MAYBE) that could "blow Portnoy away". You seem to forget that being a good drummer doesn't mean having the most licks, having the best groove, having the fastest hands, etc. It's about mastering the style that you enjoy. Portnoy has gone far beyond that. How can you say that someone is overrated when he/she could play a Dream Theater set flawlessly for 25 years? Get an education man.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 1 month ago
@XxStrongDrums1996xX Contrary to what you might think there are quite a lot of things to do on a drumkit that are a lot harder and take a lot more musical finesse than playing Dream Theater songs. And if we're equating being a great drummer with mastering a certain style than I guess we can lump in a whole bunch of more drummers in the "great drummer" category. Portnoy IS a great drummer and he is indeed very good in what he does. But overall as a drummer he doesn't impress me that much.
Redspy27 1 month ago
@Redspy27 Your supreme arrogance and lack of understanding of music astounds me. Go watch the Dance of Eternity and you will see how unbelievably difficult it is to play. There's so many time signature changes that I sincerely doubt you can even clap your hands properly to the song. I admit Portnoy isn't nearly as finesse-capable as some of the other guys you mentioned but that's simply because his aread of focus is completely different - power and speed and exacting meter-changes.
metalmike83 1 week ago
@Redspy27 Let's see Mayer, Chambers, Vinnie or Terry play a the Dance of Eternity or a Nightmare to Remember and I will gladly change my opinion and concede your argument. But honestly, I can't imagine anyone in their right mind actually believing that they are capable of; what with none of them mastering double kick to the degree Portnoy has. Do you honestly think Weckl has the feel for rock or metal that Portnoy has? I mean really..Weckl himself has only mastered jazz and fusion.
metalmike83 1 week ago
@metalmike83 I agree!, i think the only ones that have mastered it all are Peart and Bozzio, the others are kinda overrated in my opinion.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago in playlist SABIAN
@85Aheadstix Peart hasn't mastered it all and neither has Bozzio. Neither of those drummers can do what Portnoy and Weckl are capable of. I dunno why you think Portnoy's overrated but if you listen to Dance of Eternity, Nightmare to Remember and the youtube video "Mike Portnoy's Killer Parts" you will see he is an elite drummer on par with anyone who has ever sat behind the kit.
metalmike83 6 days ago
@metalmike83 Pft!, hahahaha, What else does Weckly play beside boring jazz fusion?, Both Bozzio and Pearts styles have everything!, Geez man Bozzio is more musically minded than all of them!, his set up is simply a piano in disguise!(thats chromatonic and diatonic), lets see weckl play that!, And i dont get why Portnoys is there, he should be in a school rock ensemble, not with those masters.
Weckl is just an arrogant cunt, hes not that good!.
Weckl could never touch Bozzio!
85Aheadstix 6 days ago
@85Aheadstix Just because Bozzio's kit has the full capability of a piano doesn't mean it sounds anything like it. To the contrary, I find his playing incredibly annoying and wish he would use his talents on a much more standard kit. As far as Weckl is concerned, was it not Bozzio that commented on how beautifully he played? Wasn't it Neil that said "thanks for the lesson" after hearing Dave play? Dave's one of the finest drummers of all time. Portnoy is too, in his own genre.
metalmike83 6 days ago
@metalmike83 Forget the size of Bozzios kit, its about what he plays!, Bozzio is a musician, the others are drummers, thats it and are you serious?, Portnoys boring as bat shit!, ive seen video of him being shown up by Ex DEATH drummer Richard christie and hes a Neanderthal in comparison!, get your ears checked!, and Peart was clearly kissing arse and being nice, hes such a humble guy, unlike that arrogant wank Weckl
85Aheadstix 6 days ago
@85Aheadstix I personally think Dave has the most finesse of any drummer alive. While Portnoy has power, badassary and raw intensity of metal and rock drumming which is coupled with his astounding creativity and culminates as a force of rock and metal drumming unto itself. Bozzio is a generalist who has some amazing grooves and independence and Neil has a fancy solo and not much else. What I wrote about Mike can be applied to Dave in regards to Jazz drumming.
metalmike83 6 days ago
@metalmike83 Finesse?, well i dunno maybe, i still thin portnoys the most overrated drummer, badassary?, serious?, everthing he plays is the same, Bozzio and Peart are progerssive drummers, they do shit the others would never think of, Bozzio is very experimental and he did play for Zappa remember?, only zappa had the best musos, i dont think mike could touch on Dave either.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago
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@metalmike83: Mike Portnoy... The master of the single strokes. It really amazes me the amount of accolades that he received as a drummer. He survived the age in which drummers should apply paraddiles and ostinato stuffs on their playing. Musically, most of these guys in the room (specially Bozzio and Weckl) will blow him away in technicallity. BUT, MP has this something in his playing that these guys don't really have... And that mystique makes him a great prog-rock drummer!
danceofeternity3824 5 days ago
@XxStrongDrums1996xX Oh and as for drummer's who can blow him away? Jojo Mayer, Virgil Donati, Dave Weckl, Vinnie Colaiuta, Terry Bozzio, Dennis Chambers, Tony Royster jr, aaaand I could continue. Anyone who says those drummers just have "licks" or "fast hands" has no idea how much musical diversity these guys put in a performance. Portnoy's a great musician but showing a mastery in one or two styles does not make you one of the best drummers in the world imo.
Redspy27 1 month ago
@Redspy27 I think you are underestimating Mike's abilities. You don't get viewed as such a great player by NOT being such a great player. I don't find that each of the players you listed BLOW Mike away, but merely portray different musicality. Either way, I find it ridiculous to call drummers "overrated" and to say "this guy is better than that guy".
XxStrongDrums1996xX 1 month ago
@Redspy27 As musicians, it is our job to practice the necessary material to get where we want to be. Mike, along with all the drummers you mentioned, have done just that. Saying that a drummer isn't good (in most cases) is like telling him/her that he/she has the wrong taste in music. This is immature, and shows lack of education. Now, I'm not trashing you personally, I'm just stating a point.
XxStrongDrums1996xX 1 month ago
@Redspy27 That's ironic you say that because in no way have Dennis Chambers, Vinnie Colaiuta, Dave Weckl, Terry Bozzio, Jojo Mayer, or Tony Royster jr demonstrated an ability to play some of the intense metal that Portnoy has played. I mean, shit, dog; only Virgil, Royster, and Bozzio even sure a fervent love of double kick yet you assert that all of these players are somehow light-years ahead of Portnoy. I will admit though, that Virgil is far more technically advanced.
metalmike83 1 week ago
@metalmike83 Hahahaha, Portnoy?, plays "intense" metal?, where and when?
When was dream theater "intense" or really metal?, and if you mean Evenged gay-fold then im laughing at you, they are whiniest pop shit i've ever heard.
Sure Portnoy blows their shitty rev out of the water, but Neanderthals like Hoglan destroy portnoy.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago
@85Aheadstix: Andrenalie Mob.... and btw, MP doesn't play "intense metal". The best metal you'll get from him is on the Train Of Thought and Systematic Chaos albums.
He's not a "metal" drummer. He's a Prog-rock/metal drummer.
danceofeternity3824 5 days ago
@danceofeternity3824 Well no shit, so whats your point?, your just backing my argument up.
85Aheadstix 4 days ago
@85Aheadstix: NO MORE COFFEE FOR YOU.
danceofeternity3824 4 days ago
@Redspy27 I agree!, Portnoys is the most overrated drummer i know, then its Wengren from disturbed who i hate.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago
I appreciate the kind of "Pro's and Con's" idea with these videos. Tell it how it is, not how you think we should believe it.
Good job with these, Sabian.
ccraven95 3 months ago 4
I love Mike's reaction to Dave saying that his playing was great. Very sincere.
DrMorbid 3 months ago
Really enjoyed watching all of these videos. And I'm not even a drummer.
PaddyShadowMusic 3 months ago
Dave Weckl: Great playing! Portnoy´s reaction 0:31 :D
Eddie147741 3 months ago 3
Add Chuck Norris in this vid and you can rule the world!!!
SkataKPonos 3 months ago 2
I love this. Keep these videos coming
fabioadias 3 months ago
ive met portnoy a couple times and his face will turn red if you tell him how much you like his playing,im not lying dude will blush! and how can anyone think that terry bozzio sucks,his playing is incredible!
MrDrums76 3 months ago 4
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TERRY BOZZIO SUX
pufinhor 3 months ago
@pufinhor that is your opinion and you are entitled to it, but before you just say someone sucks, at least put a bit of research into them
sakishiya 3 months ago
I love how modest Portnoy is
Weckl: Great playing man
Portnoy: *Shaking head and looking down* as in "naww you're just saying"
Gotta love him
letterheads 3 months ago 12
@letterheads Haha that's true, but imagine getting a complement from Weckl... I wouldn't be able to speak for years...
blablasak 3 months ago
I love the honesty.
Thanks for letting this be "real". :)
dww0902 3 months ago 6
5 gods in 1 room
DAMN
InsaneDrumer18 3 months ago 79
@InsaneDrumer18 I thought there was only one God D:
acethegreat101 2 months ago
@InsaneDrumer18 No no, Peart=The GOD, the others demi Gods.
85Aheadstix 6 days ago in playlist SABIAN
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Lol. They just shit all over that ride.
Pandanobear 3 months ago
No More coffee for you...
winduapiang 3 months ago 103
@winduapiang FRESH POT!
iCe1984zz 3 months ago
@winduapiang and thats from neil peart...........
347xTOM 3 months ago