@triviumgibson Yea its an 7 note A harmonic minor pattern on 2 strings moved over 3 octaves (he repeats the same shape on 3 different string groupings)
So you can get a really good view of his picking technique..there is ALOT more to alternate picking than just picking up and down. Watching people with great technique and copying theirs is one of the best ways to improve, I used to looove (and still do) videos like this where you get a big closeup on the picking hand, never cared much for the fretting because they always play it slowly so you can just do that part by ear but you learn a hell of alot from watching a great altpickers right hand
not really, i mean apart from picking up and down and keeping your pick close to the strings their is really anything else. people focus too much on that stuff, it should come naturally by working with a metronome or learning a song. the important thing is what they do with their left hand because that is where the notes come from. the right hand hand is there to serve the left hand.
No I couldnt disagree more. The right hand is far and away the most difficult part of shredding, as far as the left hand goes there are only a few mistakes you can make technique wise and they are easily overcome but with the right hand there are many and some can take years to get over. Any professional guitar player will tell you that. If you dont focus on the details then you will not be able to pick fast CLEANLY. You may be able to pick fast just not with any clarity unless you obsess over
i did obsesses over speed at the beginning, taking etudes, john petrucci dvds, dragonforce tab books, children of bodom songs etc... the way i got my right hand used to alternate picking cleanly was focusing on 16th note patterns and making sure i was down picking on each beat. i also used a clean channel to make sure i sort out any imperfections.
and if you were take influence from anyone i would go with petrucci or malmsteen not trivium, these guys can be really sloppy.
The more important thing to focus on is the string changes, a big mistake most people make is consistantly clipping the string they started on when attempting a string change, it is difficult to hear unless you are really listening out for it or you record yourself at which point it sounds very messy. Rather than just focus on picking down each beat (which is good too) you should constantly record yourself and then slow down the recording to pick up on minor imperfections then work them out.
@MetalguitarlessonsUK dude I am very envious of the amount of time you have. The day will come when I will travle to the "city of music" you call London. I sure hope we get to meet some day. Your one of the smartest dudes I have run into on youtube. You make me remember how cool being a real shredder is. When you get time go listen to my imperfect babies and witches parts 1-4 on amie street.
the little details I guarantee you that, unless you get very very lucky but its rare. I have been teaching guitar for several years and the thing which holds back people the most is the right hand, doing fast legato runs is relatively easy and does not take too much work but getting good picking chops down takes far far more practice and attention to detail.
If you think you can pick fast and cleanly and that the right hand is easy then post a video/audio recording of you doing it...I suspect
im not posting anything, i dont need to prove anything. if you dont believe me thats fine. people have different ways of getting their technique down. also if you are that obsessed i dont know why you picked trivium.
little issues like that make ALL the difference. It takes a hell of alot more than looking through tab books..
I didnt say I got my technique off trivium, I honed most of my chops yeaaars ago before I was aware of their existance, my favourites were Angelo Batio,Shawn Lane and Vinnie moore. That said Corey from Trivium IS a very good alternate picker he is more consistantly clean than Yngwie is nowadays,has FAR better picking chops than Alexi and is way cleaner than any of the Dragonforce guys
trivium are cleaner than those guys live but i dont practice along to live records. and im sorry alexi back in the day (2001) was a much better picker who doesnt need to rely on the neck pickup. i got the batio dvd and learned the no boundaries solo as well, that was extremely helpful. you are right about the recording yourself bit though, i got that from satriani.
'doesnt need to rely on the neck pickup.'...eh? People dont use the neck pickup when shredding to cover up their mistakes y'know...If anything its the opposite, the neck pickup gives off a far clearer signal so each note comes out smooth and clear. On the bridge pickup it is much harder to hear each note (especially in the case of someone like alexi who mutes heavily when he picks making it even dirtier). My guess is he plays without neck pickups because he likes to use the whammy bar alot
"People dont use the neck pickup when shredding to cover up their mistakes y'know"
you obviously dont know a lot of guitarists. it can be used skillfully and well but often it is not. for example trivium crank a shit load of distortion and use the neck pick-up,
"bridge pickup it is much harder to hear each note"
have you even played guitar lol? almost every guitarist agrees that the bridge pickup gives a clearer harsher sound which is why it is often used when people do riffs.
'almost every guitarist agrees that the bridge pickup gives a clearer harsher sound which is why it is often used when people do riffs.' Just no seriously you dont know what you are talking about..Rock/metal bands use the bridge pickup for riffs because it gives off the 'crunch' tone which is not possible on the neck pickup. Ask any guitar player and they will tell you that the neck pickup is used for shredding because it gives off a FAR clearer tone with distortion. The notes themselves are
uh you have no idea what you are talking about. even george lynch says that the neck pick up gives it a smoother tone good for legato. and guess what rhythm playing is generally not legto based is it? the crunch comes from the bridge pickup, playing the neck up while doing riffs sounds like a mess.
when soloing and obviously harmonics and such do not come out so clearly on the neck pickup so perhaps he got tired of constantly having to toggle between them, its also probably to distance himself from all the other shredders, it does give his solos a unique instantly recognizable tone...Im not that keen on it though myself, I MUCH prefer the smoother cleaner one you get from the neck.
In 2001 I still dont think he was better at picking than Corey, listen to the live album (toyko warhearts)
he was pretty sloppy at picking then too..still good but not as good as corey with regards to picking, nowhere near his level. The picking pattern in exercise 9 here alone is far beyond anything i have heard alexi do alt picking wise, although I admit he does not play it crystal cleanly here but well enough (if he was using the rhythm pickup and muting like alexi does the mistakes would be inaudiable).
less distorted (hence you cannot get decent pinch harmonics on a neck). Your ignorance is startling...the only way I could think of where using the neck pickup could be constituted as easier for shredding is that strings ring out significantly less, you have to hit them harder to get them going so you are less likely to get unwanted string noise. This is (presumably) why Alexi palm mutes so heavily when picking fast, on the flip side it makes the sound even less clear.
My ignorance is startling? at least I know speed lives exists, which you still havent apologised for calling me out on.
umm... do you listen to alexi at all? his shredding is very clear, much easier to pick out than trivium. and you keep on going about muting which is what ALL guitarists do to an extent to make it cleaner.
not every guitarist palm mutes as heavily as alexi does, many just mute the strings they are not playing rather than palm mute the individual notes, marty friedman for one does this and I try and copy it too, I dont like the sound of heavily palm muted notes when shredding.
I do apologize about speed lives, when you said you had 'THE' batio instructional I thought you meant his most famous one speed kills which as I recall is mostly a bunch of exercises.
suggesting that guys like yngwie, Rusty Cooley, Theodore Ziras, Petrucci, Shawn Lane,Mohammed Suicimez, Chris Amott etc use the neck pickup to hide their mistakes wheras guys like Kirk Hammet use the bridge pickup because their playing is so clean they have nothing to hide? Utter nonsense.
Listen to someone like Van Halen, great player but not a very clean alternate picker hence he sticks to the bridge pickup when alt picking, he can just about get away with some of the sloppyness there
suggesting that guys like yngwie, Rusty Cooley, Theodore Ziras, Petrucci, Shawn Lane,Mohammed Suicimez, Chris Amott etc use the neck pickup to hide their mistakes.
did i say that asshole? no. i said it can be used well and it can be used like how DRAGONFORCE or trivium use it. you dont think dragonforce are trying to hide their mistakes? i cant imagine how much more awful they would sound if they were using their bridge pick ups.
...I have been saying all this time that the neck pickup gives a smoother tone and just said that the bridge is crunchier hence people use the bridge for rhythm playing. Read my comments before responding to them perhaps?
Oh and with regards to your other comment sam tottman from dragonforce pretty much only uses the bridge pickup...so uh there goes that.
We should continue this via personal messaging rather than continue to clog up this comment section, I sent you a message, check ya inbox.
In response to this comment though dragonforce use the bridge pickup considerably more than the neck, hence they throw in harmonics all over the place, not possible when using the neck.
Sam pretty much never uses the neck and he plays around half of the solos so yes that is relevant,herman uses it a little but the bridge waaay more. Poor example :P
but if he used the neck? No way, erruption would have sounded appauling on a neck pickup. Or what about chuck schuldiner? Certainly one of my favourite guitarists buut his alt picking during solos tended to be quite messy so he stuck to the bridge pickup, if he went to the neck the sloppyness would be too much and VERY noticable. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, because of the dirty 'wall of noise' type sound you get from the bridge its good for classic rock and over the top
you have to be a lot cleaner when working with a bridge pickup compared to a neck pickup. the neck pickup is a lot smoother and therefore easier to play with.
what wall of noise? please stop talking rubbish. for example compare the solo to kissing the shadows to anthem (we are are the fire). which fast bits sound clearer. you cant seriously say the anthem solo sounds clearer. bridge pickup gives A LOT more clarity. neck pickup has almost a fatter smoother tone.
Lolwut? Not a guitar player I take it? Its pretty widely accepted that the neck pickup should be used for shredding because it is clearer and easier to hear each note. I also hate to break it to you but pretty much every lick on each solo in anthem is actually played on the bridge pickup (I think only one or two are on the neck). Why get into an argument about a topic you clearly dont understand..I just dont get the thought process behind that.
"its pretty widely accepted that the neck pickup should be used for shredding"
no they use it for shredding because the sound is smoother. for example it is much easier to pick out what notes alexi laiho is playing compared to yngwie malmsteen.
trivium almost always use the neck pick-up with solos and that is a fact. the bridge pick-up cuts through the mix A LOT better because each note is clearer ESPECIALLY when you are playing fast. it is A LOT easier to play on your neck pick-up as well.
out of control sounding stuff like Van Halen but if you want clear controlled precision shredding the neckpickup is best because the notes come out significantly more clearly, you just need to be very carefull you dont accidentally clip any strings which you CAN get away with if you are using the bridge and muting heavily but not a chance on the neck.
Rusty cooley or shawn lane style really fast picking would be pointless on the bridge because you just dont have the clarity to hear each note.
it would just sound like a jumbled noise, no clarity. Anyone who has been playing that kind of music for a few years would know this..hence I think you are talking bullshit when you claim to be able to play angelo batio solos. Id be interested to be proved wrong though, you said you record yourself when practicing to spot mistakes so why not put it up there? You could take it down immediately if you wanted to, it would certainly prove me wrong instantly!
at alternate picking..that just plain wrong, i dont know how else to put it. Listen to 'tokyo warhearts' then watch this video again, his picking is way better than alexis was in its prime, find me a recording of alexis most impressive alt picking lick and ill see if i can find one of coreys which will top it.
Oh and for the record for a metal band trivium use a fairly limited amount of distortion, certainly less than bodom.
Gotta say though I really dont believe you at all when you say you learned the no boundaries solo (which he does not actually teach in his dvd, the one I presume you are referring to is actually just full of exercises with no boundaries simply being a demonstration at the end) you are talking so much nonsense that I find it very hard to believe...
I found the dvd helpful but not so much with regards to what he says or even the exercises that much, I had seen them all before in various forms, it
"you are talking so much nonsense that I find it very hard to believe..."
you are speaking like a jackass who has no idea you what they are talking, and resulting to personal attacks. SPEED LIVES is the dvd look it up and learn something. he teaches no boundaries braniac.
So I dont know what point you are trying to make there...my original comment was in response to yours which was questioning why magazines bother showing peoples picking hands, I explained that you can learn alot from them. Before youtube videos like this were pretty much the only way to see people shredding and are very valuable as material to study to hone your chops and perfect your technique. Paying attention to details is very important if you want to get clean as well as fast.
@bonfirejovi Its to show the position on there hand, you can tell quite alot from there picking hand. Eg Wheather they asnchor there hand or use economy picking or strict alternate :)
@bonfirejovi It's not always alternate picking, some techniques in this video he was using wasnot taught cause that his own technique. Picking hand is important when you play fast. Sometimes, alternate picking cannot make you play fast perfectly
If you cannot figure out ex 9 out from this video then I do not think you are at a level where you should be attempting to play it.
I know that sounds harsh but it is quite a complicated lick and would be very counterproductive for a beginner to try and learn. Start on the easier licks first and work your way up to the trickier ones, it sounds dull but I guarantee you it is the quickest way to improve and reach Coreys level CLEANLY. Good luck!
@MetalguitarlessonsUK Dude this is a simple 4 grouping sequence corey was playing when he was 14 years old. Anyone can play this. Just gotta play it verrrryyy slow. So any beginner can play it. because when Corey was a beginner I taught it to him. And his speed hit 200bpm within 5 years. My point is. anyone can do anything if they work at it.
@teacherofrockstars I disagree, the pattern contains multiple string changes within one note or two, to play this up to speed without clipping strings requires you to be very proficient at outside picking.
Sure any one could play it really really really slowly but the people watching this are clearly ones who want to play fast licks, this would be a counterproductive one for a begginner to attempt to learn fast due the the vast number of string changes (taking place on both down AND upstrokes)
@MetalguitarlessonsUK Indeed not ALL beginners should try this sequence. but these are not licks man. They are exercises. Last time I jammed with Corey,he was turning into a improv freak.I have taught 100s of others that did the basic 3,4,6,8 sequences at speeds pushing 200. I can see that you are a very smart dude and man your only 21. Your response was so s much like what I woulda said when I was 21.Practicing 5-7 hour/day and giging 3-7 night/week and going to UMA full time playing Jazz.
@teacherofrockstars Well its the main lick in the trivium song 'vengeance' so I still think its a lick..I think there are better ones for beginners to spend time on if they wish to learn a solo. Other than of course stuff like large string skipping licks this is pretty much the most difficult type of alternate picking pattern to learn seeing as string changes are the hardest part of picking and this one has about as many as its possible to cram into one pattern. If you can play this perfectly
@teacherofrockstars then your alternate picking is pretty much sorted, there are no yngwie picking patterns trickier than this, or angelo batio or paul gilbert etc. You can of course make it trickier by placing it in different areas of the fretboard and adding in different fingerings and all that but the right hand work itself is pretty much as complex as its going to get in metal. I think a beginner would either get frustrated or worse try to play it fast even though its sloppy as hell and then
You are of course a much more experienced guitarist and teacher than me (and I have much respect for what you have achieved), but I would say alternate picking is something I know alot about as I struggled very very hard with it when I first got into shredding and encountered many problems, nearly gave up several times before I reached the point I am at today which I think helps me get a good perspective on how to and how not to approach it.
@MetalguitarlessonsUK I know what you are saying. Trivium is rather noobish in the shred world too. I can play all their type of licks with ease. I am on much harder stuff now.
@teacherofrockstars i can do 3,4,6,8 sequences at about 205-210. It doesnt sound cool to do sixteenth notes at that quick of tempo though. I like to stick around 140-160. I am 20. I want to go to music school. I am working on improvising with modes and trying intricate phrasings.
@teacherofrockstars of course anyone can do anything if they work at it but some things are just stupidly counterproductive for a beginner to learn and will most likely lead to them getting frustrated and giving up. It makes considerably more sense to learn some simpler licks first so that improvement can be seen straight away and the player will thus be inspired to push themselves further and further.
There is a young guitar video on here somewhere where even Petrucci screws up a lick similar
@teacherofrockstars to this, getting every single one of those string changes dead on without clipping any strings takes a long time (hell even corey clipped a few here).
It would be like giving someone who has only just started playing guitar a sweep arpeggio sequence to learn...sure anyone can play anything if they work at it but giving something like that to a beginner is just silly and will lead to frustration for most players.
@MetalguitarlessonsUK i dont fully agree with that statement, as a pretty decent guitarist( in my opnion) i have trouble watching this video and figuring out that exercise. On the other hand i have no problem playing any Trivium song or solo. its just difficult to watch from a video sometimes
@bobjoemoe8 Harsh though this may be to say I suspect you probably THINK you are playing the solos perfectly and without mistakes but I would say with 99% certainty that you are not. I see it in students all the time, when you get to a certain level of guitar playing where you are able to start learning some more advanced solos its very easy to think you are doing a great job of them and that you are unstopable and all that when really you are just not experienced enough to hear all the
@bobjoemoe8 mistakes you are making, its not necessarily a bad thing as it can mean you enjoy playing even more so you practice more and thus hopefully overcome these problems but it is also important to be aware of your mistakes. If you are unable to figure out the licks when he plays them this slowly then I would be utterly astounded if you really could play all of their solos easily and cleanly.
Try recording yourself playing plugging your amp directly to your sound card (maximum audio
@bobjoemoe8 clarity) listen out for mistakes such as with sweeping not being able to hear every single note in the sweep, a common mistake is to perhaps only catch the first note and the top ones bit become a mess in the middle. With alternate picking if you are playing well it should be impossible to hear string changes, your tone should be consistant and clear as though you are always playing on one string almost, sloppy players tend to make a 'boink' noise as they change strings (due to
@bobjoemoe8 clipping the strings as they cross them) these sorts of things may be tricky to recognise for an amature and are the kind of things many people tend to think are just down to not having good enough equipment but in reality its all down to technique and an experienced player will spot this immediately, try and record an album in a proper studio with sloppy shredding like that and it will sound real obvious and real bad.
Ahem, so in conclusion I stand by my original comment hehe.
iv tried but my guitar sounds nothing like his so even if i was hitting the right fret it would sound nothing like his. so doing it by ear doesn't work for me.
You probably have a gibson then I guess? Maybe a schecter. Anyways, I had that same problem, what you have to do is listen to the pattern. He starts at the 7, then the 9, then the 10.
It took me about 2 months to finally get the pattern down and then still, four months later still don't have it perfect. It's tough I'll agree but sounds awesome.
its not really that complicated, you just go down 4 notes in the scale and each time move down a note. its used in most of their solos. it takes a long time to build it up but it's very useful
nah, one day matt putt his signature 7 string ml standing up against the drumset during a show and he fell forward and the headstock broke off and corey was like "yeah dean guitars are made out of crap" i think thats why they left
i don't like the dean guitars anyways. they look like toys pulled out from the bottom shelf of the guitar center store. I prefer matt heafy's custom alpine white les paul with emg pickups and cory's randy rhoads jackson.
nope because the people at Ultimate Guitar are a bunch of dickheads and rejected my tab even though there was nothing wrong with it and trust me it was 100% correct
no, in C major all the notes are natural right? yes move everything up half a step and everything accept B and E are sharp :) I love wining F# is essentially the same though :S who cares I only really use Cmaj and Gmaj
my fucking god O_o WTF!
igor230693 1 month ago
can somebody PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE tell me the name of this DVD? PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
chrisjgarman7 7 months ago
@chrisjgarman7 It isn't from a DVD. It's from a CD Released by the Japanese Guitar publication "Young Guitar"
They're like Guitar World, when they release issues, they include a CD that has videos of lessons and interviews with the artists.
shreddybits 6 months ago
whats with the gain here? the guitars sound like polnish harps
Wintersun93 7 months ago
@Wintersun93 sounds like old maxon tubescreamer
rocknrolf6 1 week ago
Well I figured out ex 9 from this video :D Am I worthy to practice it now?
xlRainlx 8 months ago
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rocknrolf6 9 months ago
Oh man, motherf*cking speed!
heynerdsutmig 1 year ago
ex. 8 is by Malmsteen
borko92 1 year ago
those sweeps are just awesome!
filrocklove 1 year ago
I don't know, im not a guitar master, but sometimes i think corey misses the tempo, adding one more note which shouldnt be there...
TTyuyTT 1 year ago
how does he do the first one so fast lol
thisryanthe 1 year ago
exercise 10 is from tread the floods
borko92 2 years ago
Ex-8 Is that the harmonic minor? I think it is but i can´t really tell, so can somebody please answer my question?
triviumgibson 2 years ago
@triviumgibson: Kind of, I forget what that mode was but it was kind of like a Harmonic minor.. I'll get back at you with that
DoomScytheBand 1 year ago
@triviumgibson Yea its an 7 note A harmonic minor pattern on 2 strings moved over 3 octaves (he repeats the same shape on 3 different string groupings)
WilliamBonneau 1 year ago
His right hand says "Fuck you".
Muahah.
KristasLP 2 years ago
Dude corey's guitar is sick!!!
ShadowFalcon12 2 years ago 2
i never understood why they showed the picking hand. its always alternate picking anyway.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago 8
so you can see if he did inside or outside picking, also to see if he does legato... thats why i think they put but who knows
N1nja32 2 years ago
Presentation purposes yano
rofl wanna look as professional as possible lol
SoundOfAShark 2 years ago
sweep picking?
a7xflo 2 years ago
So you can get a really good view of his picking technique..there is ALOT more to alternate picking than just picking up and down. Watching people with great technique and copying theirs is one of the best ways to improve, I used to looove (and still do) videos like this where you get a big closeup on the picking hand, never cared much for the fretting because they always play it slowly so you can just do that part by ear but you learn a hell of alot from watching a great altpickers right hand
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
not really, i mean apart from picking up and down and keeping your pick close to the strings their is really anything else. people focus too much on that stuff, it should come naturally by working with a metronome or learning a song. the important thing is what they do with their left hand because that is where the notes come from. the right hand hand is there to serve the left hand.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
No I couldnt disagree more. The right hand is far and away the most difficult part of shredding, as far as the left hand goes there are only a few mistakes you can make technique wise and they are easily overcome but with the right hand there are many and some can take years to get over. Any professional guitar player will tell you that. If you dont focus on the details then you will not be able to pick fast CLEANLY. You may be able to pick fast just not with any clarity unless you obsess over
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
i did obsesses over speed at the beginning, taking etudes, john petrucci dvds, dragonforce tab books, children of bodom songs etc... the way i got my right hand used to alternate picking cleanly was focusing on 16th note patterns and making sure i was down picking on each beat. i also used a clean channel to make sure i sort out any imperfections.
and if you were take influence from anyone i would go with petrucci or malmsteen not trivium, these guys can be really sloppy.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
The more important thing to focus on is the string changes, a big mistake most people make is consistantly clipping the string they started on when attempting a string change, it is difficult to hear unless you are really listening out for it or you record yourself at which point it sounds very messy. Rather than just focus on picking down each beat (which is good too) you should constantly record yourself and then slow down the recording to pick up on minor imperfections then work them out.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
@MetalguitarlessonsUK dude I am very envious of the amount of time you have. The day will come when I will travle to the "city of music" you call London. I sure hope we get to meet some day. Your one of the smartest dudes I have run into on youtube. You make me remember how cool being a real shredder is. When you get time go listen to my imperfect babies and witches parts 1-4 on amie street.
teacherofrockstars 1 year ago
the little details I guarantee you that, unless you get very very lucky but its rare. I have been teaching guitar for several years and the thing which holds back people the most is the right hand, doing fast legato runs is relatively easy and does not take too much work but getting good picking chops down takes far far more practice and attention to detail.
If you think you can pick fast and cleanly and that the right hand is easy then post a video/audio recording of you doing it...I suspect
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
im not posting anything, i dont need to prove anything. if you dont believe me thats fine. people have different ways of getting their technique down. also if you are that obsessed i dont know why you picked trivium.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
little issues like that make ALL the difference. It takes a hell of alot more than looking through tab books..
I didnt say I got my technique off trivium, I honed most of my chops yeaaars ago before I was aware of their existance, my favourites were Angelo Batio,Shawn Lane and Vinnie moore. That said Corey from Trivium IS a very good alternate picker he is more consistantly clean than Yngwie is nowadays,has FAR better picking chops than Alexi and is way cleaner than any of the Dragonforce guys
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
trivium are cleaner than those guys live but i dont practice along to live records. and im sorry alexi back in the day (2001) was a much better picker who doesnt need to rely on the neck pickup. i got the batio dvd and learned the no boundaries solo as well, that was extremely helpful. you are right about the recording yourself bit though, i got that from satriani.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
'doesnt need to rely on the neck pickup.'...eh? People dont use the neck pickup when shredding to cover up their mistakes y'know...If anything its the opposite, the neck pickup gives off a far clearer signal so each note comes out smooth and clear. On the bridge pickup it is much harder to hear each note (especially in the case of someone like alexi who mutes heavily when he picks making it even dirtier). My guess is he plays without neck pickups because he likes to use the whammy bar alot
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
"People dont use the neck pickup when shredding to cover up their mistakes y'know"
you obviously dont know a lot of guitarists. it can be used skillfully and well but often it is not. for example trivium crank a shit load of distortion and use the neck pick-up,
"bridge pickup it is much harder to hear each note"
have you even played guitar lol? almost every guitarist agrees that the bridge pickup gives a clearer harsher sound which is why it is often used when people do riffs.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
'almost every guitarist agrees that the bridge pickup gives a clearer harsher sound which is why it is often used when people do riffs.' Just no seriously you dont know what you are talking about..Rock/metal bands use the bridge pickup for riffs because it gives off the 'crunch' tone which is not possible on the neck pickup. Ask any guitar player and they will tell you that the neck pickup is used for shredding because it gives off a FAR clearer tone with distortion. The notes themselves are
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
uh you have no idea what you are talking about. even george lynch says that the neck pick up gives it a smoother tone good for legato. and guess what rhythm playing is generally not legto based is it? the crunch comes from the bridge pickup, playing the neck up while doing riffs sounds like a mess.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
when soloing and obviously harmonics and such do not come out so clearly on the neck pickup so perhaps he got tired of constantly having to toggle between them, its also probably to distance himself from all the other shredders, it does give his solos a unique instantly recognizable tone...Im not that keen on it though myself, I MUCH prefer the smoother cleaner one you get from the neck.
In 2001 I still dont think he was better at picking than Corey, listen to the live album (toyko warhearts)
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
he was pretty sloppy at picking then too..still good but not as good as corey with regards to picking, nowhere near his level. The picking pattern in exercise 9 here alone is far beyond anything i have heard alexi do alt picking wise, although I admit he does not play it crystal cleanly here but well enough (if he was using the rhythm pickup and muting like alexi does the mistakes would be inaudiable).
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
i just plain disagree, corey is average picker at best. he can down pick pretty well though. neck pickup is easier to play with.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
less distorted (hence you cannot get decent pinch harmonics on a neck). Your ignorance is startling...the only way I could think of where using the neck pickup could be constituted as easier for shredding is that strings ring out significantly less, you have to hit them harder to get them going so you are less likely to get unwanted string noise. This is (presumably) why Alexi palm mutes so heavily when picking fast, on the flip side it makes the sound even less clear.
Are you honestly
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
"Your ignorance is startling"
My ignorance is startling? at least I know speed lives exists, which you still havent apologised for calling me out on.
umm... do you listen to alexi at all? his shredding is very clear, much easier to pick out than trivium. and you keep on going about muting which is what ALL guitarists do to an extent to make it cleaner.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
not every guitarist palm mutes as heavily as alexi does, many just mute the strings they are not playing rather than palm mute the individual notes, marty friedman for one does this and I try and copy it too, I dont like the sound of heavily palm muted notes when shredding.
I do apologize about speed lives, when you said you had 'THE' batio instructional I thought you meant his most famous one speed kills which as I recall is mostly a bunch of exercises.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
suggesting that guys like yngwie, Rusty Cooley, Theodore Ziras, Petrucci, Shawn Lane,Mohammed Suicimez, Chris Amott etc use the neck pickup to hide their mistakes wheras guys like Kirk Hammet use the bridge pickup because their playing is so clean they have nothing to hide? Utter nonsense.
Listen to someone like Van Halen, great player but not a very clean alternate picker hence he sticks to the bridge pickup when alt picking, he can just about get away with some of the sloppyness there
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
suggesting that guys like yngwie, Rusty Cooley, Theodore Ziras, Petrucci, Shawn Lane,Mohammed Suicimez, Chris Amott etc use the neck pickup to hide their mistakes.
did i say that asshole? no. i said it can be used well and it can be used like how DRAGONFORCE or trivium use it. you dont think dragonforce are trying to hide their mistakes? i cant imagine how much more awful they would sound if they were using their bridge pick ups.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
...I have been saying all this time that the neck pickup gives a smoother tone and just said that the bridge is crunchier hence people use the bridge for rhythm playing. Read my comments before responding to them perhaps?
Oh and with regards to your other comment sam tottman from dragonforce pretty much only uses the bridge pickup...so uh there goes that.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
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"Oh and with regards to your other comment sam tottman from dragonforce pretty much only uses the bridge pickup...so uh there goes that."
uh no it doesnt, ever heard of a guitarist called herman li which funnily enough you managed to ignore.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
We should continue this via personal messaging rather than continue to clog up this comment section, I sent you a message, check ya inbox.
In response to this comment though dragonforce use the bridge pickup considerably more than the neck, hence they throw in harmonics all over the place, not possible when using the neck.
Sam pretty much never uses the neck and he plays around half of the solos so yes that is relevant,herman uses it a little but the bridge waaay more. Poor example :P
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
but if he used the neck? No way, erruption would have sounded appauling on a neck pickup. Or what about chuck schuldiner? Certainly one of my favourite guitarists buut his alt picking during solos tended to be quite messy so he stuck to the bridge pickup, if he went to the neck the sloppyness would be too much and VERY noticable. They both have their strengths and weaknesses, because of the dirty 'wall of noise' type sound you get from the bridge its good for classic rock and over the top
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
you have to be a lot cleaner when working with a bridge pickup compared to a neck pickup. the neck pickup is a lot smoother and therefore easier to play with.
what wall of noise? please stop talking rubbish. for example compare the solo to kissing the shadows to anthem (we are are the fire). which fast bits sound clearer. you cant seriously say the anthem solo sounds clearer. bridge pickup gives A LOT more clarity. neck pickup has almost a fatter smoother tone.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
'bridge pickup gives A LOT more clarity'
Lolwut? Not a guitar player I take it? Its pretty widely accepted that the neck pickup should be used for shredding because it is clearer and easier to hear each note. I also hate to break it to you but pretty much every lick on each solo in anthem is actually played on the bridge pickup (I think only one or two are on the neck). Why get into an argument about a topic you clearly dont understand..I just dont get the thought process behind that.
ChrissyChiChi 2 years ago
"its pretty widely accepted that the neck pickup should be used for shredding"
no they use it for shredding because the sound is smoother. for example it is much easier to pick out what notes alexi laiho is playing compared to yngwie malmsteen.
trivium almost always use the neck pick-up with solos and that is a fact. the bridge pick-up cuts through the mix A LOT better because each note is clearer ESPECIALLY when you are playing fast. it is A LOT easier to play on your neck pick-up as well.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
out of control sounding stuff like Van Halen but if you want clear controlled precision shredding the neckpickup is best because the notes come out significantly more clearly, you just need to be very carefull you dont accidentally clip any strings which you CAN get away with if you are using the bridge and muting heavily but not a chance on the neck.
Rusty cooley or shawn lane style really fast picking would be pointless on the bridge because you just dont have the clarity to hear each note.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
it would just sound like a jumbled noise, no clarity. Anyone who has been playing that kind of music for a few years would know this..hence I think you are talking bullshit when you claim to be able to play angelo batio solos. Id be interested to be proved wrong though, you said you record yourself when practicing to spot mistakes so why not put it up there? You could take it down immediately if you wanted to, it would certainly prove me wrong instantly!
As to you stating corey is average
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
at alternate picking..that just plain wrong, i dont know how else to put it. Listen to 'tokyo warhearts' then watch this video again, his picking is way better than alexis was in its prime, find me a recording of alexis most impressive alt picking lick and ill see if i can find one of coreys which will top it.
Oh and for the record for a metal band trivium use a fairly limited amount of distortion, certainly less than bodom.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
Gotta say though I really dont believe you at all when you say you learned the no boundaries solo (which he does not actually teach in his dvd, the one I presume you are referring to is actually just full of exercises with no boundaries simply being a demonstration at the end) you are talking so much nonsense that I find it very hard to believe...
I found the dvd helpful but not so much with regards to what he says or even the exercises that much, I had seen them all before in various forms, it
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
"you are talking so much nonsense that I find it very hard to believe..."
you are speaking like a jackass who has no idea you what they are talking, and resulting to personal attacks. SPEED LIVES is the dvd look it up and learn something. he teaches no boundaries braniac.
bonfirejovi 2 years ago
watching and listening to his picking when demonstrating the exercises to tempo. (once again coming back to the main point of how this got started!)
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
So I dont know what point you are trying to make there...my original comment was in response to yours which was questioning why magazines bother showing peoples picking hands, I explained that you can learn alot from them. Before youtube videos like this were pretty much the only way to see people shredding and are very valuable as material to study to hone your chops and perfect your technique. Paying attention to details is very important if you want to get clean as well as fast.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
you are not playing anywhere near as cleanly as you think you are..
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago
@bonfirejovi Its to show the position on there hand, you can tell quite alot from there picking hand. Eg Wheather they asnchor there hand or use economy picking or strict alternate :)
MartyLoganguitar 1 year ago
@bonfirejovi It's not always alternate picking, some techniques in this video he was using wasnot taught cause that his own technique. Picking hand is important when you play fast. Sometimes, alternate picking cannot make you play fast perfectly
long156ki 7 months ago
ex 10 is from the song tread the floods
borko92 2 years ago
If you cannot figure out ex 9 out from this video then I do not think you are at a level where you should be attempting to play it.
I know that sounds harsh but it is quite a complicated lick and would be very counterproductive for a beginner to try and learn. Start on the easier licks first and work your way up to the trickier ones, it sounds dull but I guarantee you it is the quickest way to improve and reach Coreys level CLEANLY. Good luck!
MetalguitarlessonsUK 2 years ago 5
dude thank you for saying that!! i was thinking it!! haha
slashowns102938 2 years ago
to right lol
SamO315 2 years ago
@MetalguitarlessonsUK Dude this is a simple 4 grouping sequence corey was playing when he was 14 years old. Anyone can play this. Just gotta play it verrrryyy slow. So any beginner can play it. because when Corey was a beginner I taught it to him. And his speed hit 200bpm within 5 years. My point is. anyone can do anything if they work at it.
teacherofrockstars 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars I disagree, the pattern contains multiple string changes within one note or two, to play this up to speed without clipping strings requires you to be very proficient at outside picking.
Sure any one could play it really really really slowly but the people watching this are clearly ones who want to play fast licks, this would be a counterproductive one for a begginner to attempt to learn fast due the the vast number of string changes (taking place on both down AND upstrokes)
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@MetalguitarlessonsUK Indeed not ALL beginners should try this sequence. but these are not licks man. They are exercises. Last time I jammed with Corey,he was turning into a improv freak.I have taught 100s of others that did the basic 3,4,6,8 sequences at speeds pushing 200. I can see that you are a very smart dude and man your only 21. Your response was so s much like what I woulda said when I was 21.Practicing 5-7 hour/day and giging 3-7 night/week and going to UMA full time playing Jazz.
teacherofrockstars 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars Well its the main lick in the trivium song 'vengeance' so I still think its a lick..I think there are better ones for beginners to spend time on if they wish to learn a solo. Other than of course stuff like large string skipping licks this is pretty much the most difficult type of alternate picking pattern to learn seeing as string changes are the hardest part of picking and this one has about as many as its possible to cram into one pattern. If you can play this perfectly
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars then your alternate picking is pretty much sorted, there are no yngwie picking patterns trickier than this, or angelo batio or paul gilbert etc. You can of course make it trickier by placing it in different areas of the fretboard and adding in different fingerings and all that but the right hand work itself is pretty much as complex as its going to get in metal. I think a beginner would either get frustrated or worse try to play it fast even though its sloppy as hell and then
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars pick up bad habbits.
You are of course a much more experienced guitarist and teacher than me (and I have much respect for what you have achieved), but I would say alternate picking is something I know alot about as I struggled very very hard with it when I first got into shredding and encountered many problems, nearly gave up several times before I reached the point I am at today which I think helps me get a good perspective on how to and how not to approach it.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@MetalguitarlessonsUK I know what you are saying. Trivium is rather noobish in the shred world too. I can play all their type of licks with ease. I am on much harder stuff now.
PaulGilbertIsGod2 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars i can do 3,4,6,8 sequences at about 205-210. It doesnt sound cool to do sixteenth notes at that quick of tempo though. I like to stick around 140-160. I am 20. I want to go to music school. I am working on improvising with modes and trying intricate phrasings.
PaulGilbertIsGod2 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars of course anyone can do anything if they work at it but some things are just stupidly counterproductive for a beginner to learn and will most likely lead to them getting frustrated and giving up. It makes considerably more sense to learn some simpler licks first so that improvement can be seen straight away and the player will thus be inspired to push themselves further and further.
There is a young guitar video on here somewhere where even Petrucci screws up a lick similar
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@teacherofrockstars to this, getting every single one of those string changes dead on without clipping any strings takes a long time (hell even corey clipped a few here).
It would be like giving someone who has only just started playing guitar a sweep arpeggio sequence to learn...sure anyone can play anything if they work at it but giving something like that to a beginner is just silly and will lead to frustration for most players.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@MetalguitarlessonsUK i dont fully agree with that statement, as a pretty decent guitarist( in my opnion) i have trouble watching this video and figuring out that exercise. On the other hand i have no problem playing any Trivium song or solo. its just difficult to watch from a video sometimes
bobjoemoe8 1 year ago
@bobjoemoe8 Harsh though this may be to say I suspect you probably THINK you are playing the solos perfectly and without mistakes but I would say with 99% certainty that you are not. I see it in students all the time, when you get to a certain level of guitar playing where you are able to start learning some more advanced solos its very easy to think you are doing a great job of them and that you are unstopable and all that when really you are just not experienced enough to hear all the
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@bobjoemoe8 mistakes you are making, its not necessarily a bad thing as it can mean you enjoy playing even more so you practice more and thus hopefully overcome these problems but it is also important to be aware of your mistakes. If you are unable to figure out the licks when he plays them this slowly then I would be utterly astounded if you really could play all of their solos easily and cleanly.
Try recording yourself playing plugging your amp directly to your sound card (maximum audio
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@bobjoemoe8 clarity) listen out for mistakes such as with sweeping not being able to hear every single note in the sweep, a common mistake is to perhaps only catch the first note and the top ones bit become a mess in the middle. With alternate picking if you are playing well it should be impossible to hear string changes, your tone should be consistant and clear as though you are always playing on one string almost, sloppy players tend to make a 'boink' noise as they change strings (due to
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
@bobjoemoe8 clipping the strings as they cross them) these sorts of things may be tricky to recognise for an amature and are the kind of things many people tend to think are just down to not having good enough equipment but in reality its all down to technique and an experienced player will spot this immediately, try and record an album in a proper studio with sloppy shredding like that and it will sound real obvious and real bad.
Ahem, so in conclusion I stand by my original comment hehe.
MetalguitarlessonsUK 1 year ago
if theres a few of u strugglin with ex 9 ill do a tut vid on how to play n ill tab it out 4 u. jst message me if u want me 2
guitarking9 2 years ago
Everytime I hear example 9, I cum in my ear pussy.
sedativeman 2 years ago 2
srry i ment 9 :P
daveo2992 2 years ago
i need the tabs for EX-2
daveo2992 2 years ago
Figure it out by ear and watching this. Thats what I had to do. It'll be good for you.
sedativeman 2 years ago
iv tried but my guitar sounds nothing like his so even if i was hitting the right fret it would sound nothing like his. so doing it by ear doesn't work for me.
daveo2992 2 years ago
You probably have a gibson then I guess? Maybe a schecter. Anyways, I had that same problem, what you have to do is listen to the pattern. He starts at the 7, then the 9, then the 10.
sedativeman 2 years ago
lol naw i have a bc rich beast s.o.b avenged
and thx
daveo2992 2 years ago
diggin the maiden shirt ^_^
MetallicaTriviumLoG 2 years ago
ex 9 is fucking complicated!
goodguitaristatmetal 2 years ago
It took me about 2 months to finally get the pattern down and then still, four months later still don't have it perfect. It's tough I'll agree but sounds awesome.
Vexus666 2 years ago
Shit I've known it like a year I think and I can still only do it at his "slow" speed clean, the right hand is SOOOO fucking hard here.
sedativeman 2 years ago
its not really that complicated, you just go down 4 notes in the scale and each time move down a note. its used in most of their solos. it takes a long time to build it up but it's very useful
MrNmurray 2 years ago
1:09 sound is so ugly but nice lesson
HeadShooTher 2 years ago
ex1, is that part of trivium's song?
nextmattheafy 2 years ago
anyone know where i can get a tab for these especially ex. 11
XSilverxCrossx 2 years ago
i know them all
brandon2784 2 years ago
how much I respect the level of skill involved, (almost) all of these riffs sound so much better when played slow.
I prefer the slower solos
yes I do realize that this is meant as an exercise to improve speed..
still..
yekshemesh4alig 2 years ago 2
anyone else think his tone is really bad here?
brandon2784 2 years ago 4
Love Trivium but yeah. Most young guitar stuff has sucky tone. Even the Jeff Loomis one.
setyourworldafire 2 years ago
I jus think matts tone is thin its not all THAT bad tho
geicowithdagheko1 2 years ago
yeah no shit dude, sounds like hell
donovanwilder 2 years ago
yea they never give the players there regular setup so it always sounds kinda shitty
jbabcock5630 2 years ago 4
i thing ex8 is of the solo from throes of perdition
FuckBert 2 years ago
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trviumfreaksam 2 years ago
ex 9 is part of a solo in their new album shogun but i forgot wat song
Allodon 2 years ago
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its actually part of solo from vengance from the we are the fire single
just thought i let you know
trviumfreaksam 2 years ago
It's not exaclty that, but it's the same pattern
SpawnCall 2 years ago
EX 10 is Tread The Floods
EternalNick93 2 years ago
I hate his tone it sounds very unorganic
Xmalibur 2 years ago
He is sick!
BarneTvDude 3 years ago 2
the last example sounded very similar to buckethead's finger nubbing
katherineluvswill 3 years ago
wowzers i like all these hehe imma learn
LucidSpore 3 years ago
holy s***
panteraNP 3 years ago 2
i second that
traheemer 3 years ago
i heard that cory and matt are no longer with dean guitars. i think it was the right move b/c i like cory's jackson much better.
ptownboah 3 years ago
yea they arent they went to dbz which is the lead maker of dean but i geuss he made his own company called dbz which is his initials
123456789and10and 3 years ago
really? i thought i saw matt heafy playing a black les paul
ptownboah 3 years ago
He has more than one guitar. For fucks sake.
M1K360 3 years ago
I saw them on feb 11 09, and I saw matt heafy play his dean guitars
ptownboah 3 years ago
well yea he has a black les paul but they signed to dbz which is like dean b. zelinsky or sumthin but he doesnt just have dbz
123456789and10and 3 years ago
i think matt and cory just matured and outgrew the dean guitars.
ptownboah 3 years ago
nah, one day matt putt his signature 7 string ml standing up against the drumset during a show and he fell forward and the headstock broke off and corey was like "yeah dean guitars are made out of crap" i think thats why they left
traheemer 3 years ago
i don't like the dean guitars anyways. they look like toys pulled out from the bottom shelf of the guitar center store. I prefer matt heafy's custom alpine white les paul with emg pickups and cory's randy rhoads jackson.
ptownboah 3 years ago
well to bad cause mat sold that les paul on ebay and crey has a king v not rrv
wrokjon 2 years ago
matt is an awesome dude so he must've found a good reason to do so
ptownboah 2 years ago
if your talking about the lp then yeah he had a good reason. he gave the money to charity
wrokjon 2 years ago
i think that's why they're so successful, they're awesome dudes
ptownboah 2 years ago
i saw that vid...
that so sucks...
i droped my jackson a bunch of times during gigs...
and till this day its still durable
izzyshreds 3 years ago
what video is that?
wrokjon 2 years ago
hes got a good picking technique
guitartistjustin1 3 years ago
that tone is amazing!
devilsmonkey1 3 years ago
neck pickups yeah?
sth209 3 years ago
its so co0l i already got it! hahaha
akosipx 3 years ago
who tabbed it out?
se7en8ight6ix1ne 3 years ago
what magazine is this from?
DJTheRockWizard 3 years ago
Cheers for tabbin them out, much easier then lookin at this vid over and over again.
xycon123 3 years ago
I just tabbed this video.
tabs shuld be up soon on Ultimate Guitar tabs
Sock1122 3 years ago 3
got the link?
pcened 3 years ago
nope because the people at Ultimate Guitar are a bunch of dickheads and rejected my tab even though there was nothing wrong with it and trust me it was 100% correct
Sock1122 3 years ago
can u send me the tab please.
kosong901 3 years ago
Dude can u send me the tabs PLEASE!!!
birdhouse33 3 years ago
could u put it on some thing or email it to me.......
vampreen12356 3 years ago
the first one sounds like an Yngwie type of scale.
k1ng92 3 years ago
the second excersice is from the song vengeance i THINK, dont quote me :P
vengeance1771 3 years ago 3
yup
Rodriguito123456 3 years ago
i decided to quote u becuz ur right!!
smilypsycho 3 years ago
anyone know the tabs or what song the second exercise is?
th3rupture92 3 years ago
i know how to play it, but not that fast
thisryanthe 3 years ago
what do u suppose they have their gain set on? They don't have much gain at all.
mmize2011 3 years ago
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Is Corey married? He's got a ring?
RedShogun13 3 years ago
It's on his right hand and his middle finger so nope
made4tvmovie 3 years ago
no he is not married
doublebassaxisdrummr 3 years ago
the ring is on his right hand :D
Reksa3 3 years ago
Vengeance Solo is gnarly.
IbanezShreds 3 years ago
FUCKING GENIOUS!! COREY IS MY GOD :D
mazi409 3 years ago
Where are the tabs for this?
spazpunheta 3 years ago
where can i find the video and tabs to download from this please? i wanna play like coery
kingofmods15 3 years ago
what i said to corey's fingers
manofmishap 3 years ago
exercise 9 i mean forgot to type that in lol
th3rupture92 3 years ago
i think it goes A Locrian (not sure on the spelling), then B Ionian, then D Dorian.
Thats just my guess, but im pretty sure thats how it is.
SlavesShallServe6 3 years ago
That means the general key would be B major or G# minor.
SlavesShallServe6 3 years ago
woops, i mean B Locrian, C# Ionian and D Dorian.
Sorry.
Key would be:C# major or A# minor, i think
SlavesShallServe6 3 years ago
C# major and A# minor are the same (different tonality)
the C# major modes are as follows:
C# Ionian/Major
D# Dorian
F Phrigian
F# Lydian
G# Mixolydian
A# Aeolian/aka minor
C Locrian
Its the last stop on the Circle of fifths, meaning its going to be sharps where ever possible. Just my 2 cents :)
WilliamBonneau 3 years ago
from my understanding that is f# major were all notes are sharp
espltd12 3 years ago
no, in C major all the notes are natural right? yes move everything up half a step and everything accept B and E are sharp :) I love wining F# is essentially the same though :S who cares I only really use Cmaj and Gmaj
WilliamBonneau 3 years ago
Can someone tell me what scale hes doing for exercise please?
th3rupture92 3 years ago
Why does it sound like he has barely any gain?...hmm
scumbagcarrol 3 years ago
probably because there isnt that much...
LukeBodom 3 years ago
he roles the tone knob all the way down
wrokjon 2 years ago