The english translation of Paptimis' last words to Camille are misleading. He literally says he will take Camille's heart with him. So if one looks at how the heart works traditionally in Japanese psychology, as the center of feelings, thought, memory, good, evil, and almost everything else, Paptimus' newtype attack is more of a heart-melting and than a brain-frying. Consciousness in this case is rooted in the heart rather than the brain, just as human relationships define who Camille is.
The real moment of maturity for Camille is when he recognizes what evil is and decides wholeheartedly to eliminate it. Evil for him are the people who refuse to open their hearts to others and seek only destruction or selfish gain. For example, the conflict between Zeon and Earth emerged because the Zabi family twisted Char's father's newtype theory of empathy into a weapon of war. Paptimus doesn't kill Camille's body but murders his heart, retarding his power of empathy and relating to others.
Notice how the most powerful newtype mobile suit pilots, Amuro and Camille (and to an extent Char, who grieves over Lalah's death and a need for earth to return to nature), are the most sensitive individuals who form bonds with many characters throughout their gundam timeline. Both are crybabies who lose their family members and are forced to look for surrogate siblings and parents as they suffer their ordeals on their journeys.
The gundam universe revolves around the newtype theory, that with being born in space you use more of your brain and people become able to understand each other better.What separates people like Haman / Paptimus from Camille is the fact that the former refuse to use their newtype abilities to form deep bonds with people, whereas Camille goes through the entire series making connections with friends as well as enemies. It is precisely Camille's affinity for bonding with people that powers Z Gndm
Camille having to kill Haman / Paptimus is the same as Amuro taking out Char later. The gundam villains typically use newtype abilities to just manipulate people for selfish reasons, leading to war and things like nuclear winter. In fact, it is the combined wills of both friendly and enemy mobile suit pilots that powers the psycho frame of the Nu Gundam, allowing Amuro to save earth, proving that building relationships with people is a powerful force (the same used by Camille to kill Paptimus).
Jesus Christ, all this AC vs UC bull is what rips communities apart. Aside from saying oh my gundam series that I watched is the best and what not can't we all agree that Gundam is pure awesome and leave our animosity behind? This is precisely why people like Ngee Khiong abandoned his blog and what not. Grow up guys. There are more pressing matters at hand worth shouting for other than my Gundam is the best and what not. Take a look at Libya, Bahrain, parts of North Africa, ME etc. Geez
@Autoramen i wish what your comment would come true not just for gundam but for every thing but as long as there stupid people stuff like that will alway be around
No it's NOT whose the original. Coming first doesn't give a work a pass for sucking. Zeta fails on every concievable level. Even the creator admits it's garbage, and actually crafted a STORY with ZZ. Zeta's just a string of shock deaths and nonsensical dialouge.
@malkura90210 You do realize the reason he doesn't like it is because it's too dark for him(Tomino), not because he necessarily thinks it's a bad show.
Wrong, all of you. Obviously, Tomino's works are one of the best. Firstly, Mobile Suit Gundam. The Father of Gundams. Without it, you wouldn't be able to watch more Gundam shows. Next, the Zeta Gundam. It's got things to make you realize. The story even tops that off. It's not who's the strongest. it's who's the original. Yes, I agree. Gundam Wing >.> ugly show. It's all about the double ketchup gun was that? Wing Gundam lacks the blocky body of Gundams.
hmmm I aint afraid of that ghost...well maybe alittle but I could kick her newtype butt with the most powerful gundam ever created....The Dangerous Wing Gundam Zero!!
@heeriyujaxhunin HAHAHAHA! No way, Amuro's Nu Gundam is the most powerful, it saved Earth from the asteriod the size of texas! plus Gundam Wing was not made by yoshiyuki tomino (the creator of gundam) so its shouldnt even count!
@malkura90210 Your obviously a Gundam noob. I been to Japan, and over there Gundam Wing is called "Gundam for girls" only faggots and women love Gundam wing
@Mortskcab I don't care what a sexist homophobe such as yourself considers proper entertainment for men. I also don't care about the opinion of a bunch of dolts who think meaningless shock deaths, piss poor characters and nonsensical ramblings that passes for dialouge are what qualifies as grand storytelling. Wing is superior in every single way. All Zeta has are nostalgia goggles and a ridiculous fan base.
@Mortskcab U.C was the only universe that had ever made Gundams realistic in any way but it was still in the line of science fiction but those AU's were beyond that line.
00 Raiser can quantize itself and generate a large sword that may even destroy the colony.,Nu Gundam can push a giant asteroid that was even being pulled down by the earth's gravity.Hi-Nu Gundam can destroy a fragment of axis with just a single shot of it's giant rifle.
@heeriyujaxhunin perhaps Gundam Wing is the only gundam show you ever watch. those Twin Mustard Rifle is nothing againts Turn A's Moonlight Butterfly. just bcoz it can destroy colony doesnt mean its powerful. heck the only reason it look so powerful bcoz OZ trooper didnt know how to shot and evade.
Haman is the most feared woman in the Gundam universe...I mean even when I play games she intimidates me lol...oh and when Kamille caught her with the wires I wanted him to yell "GET OVER HERE"
scorpion is selfish, how do you know he'll let you borrow them? those his only words. besides, kamille didn't really want to come near haman. he wants to kill her. so it makes sense why he wouldn't scream it. if anything, it's safer if she stayed a distance from him anyway since that's her fighting style with those stupid little pointy shooty things she always uses.
@odin047 OMG NO FOR REAL??? REALLY???? I didnt know that..o wait..YEA I DID. Dude I was usin a metaphor, and regardless of what you say, she is STILL "The Warrior PRINCESS of Space!"
The whole point of the scene isn't who's more powerful, it's about the kind of misunderstanding that creates conflict. They both deep down...have a connection we all have (according to this), and understand eachother...but it starts with Haman succumbing to paranoia and jumping to conclusions...then after she does stuff, Kamille giving into anger until neither of them are listening to what their "souls" are telling them.
@Kiyosuki Maybe that was Tomino's intent, but the execution was atrocious. Pretty much all of Zeta is like this. The narrative is so convoluted and disjointed that it loses all significance. I mean watch the scene. Haman doesn't so much "succumb to paranoia" as much as randomly dismiss what is right in front of her. No gradual descent into fear/madness. Just one second the light is on, and the next it is off. The same kind of shoddy writing and poor characterization that plagued the whole show.
@mtpenguin1 I don't disagree that Zeta works just fine from a big picture standpoint. What I'm saying is that it doesn't flow well when actually watching the show.
the right after he faked his death on 0079. he went on hiding and later joined the aueg. char wasn't a member of the federation because he hates earth.
Main theme of Gundam has been how small an individual is in wars.
Kamile was a civilian not soldier
he is rather forced to fight in the war regardless of his own will. He loses
his family, friends, and lovers.
He is only treated as a elite soldier rather than a human being. His childish behavior which is caused by the fact that he is a child only meets with scorn and beating.
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whatever =P 00-Raiser is awesome PERIOD. Who wouldn't want a gundam that does pure pwnage and makes the human consciousness expand into others harmonizing the feelings of both our allies and enemies ending confllict and war then finally attaining true peace and happiness. Who would want to have a out of date MS that only furthers destruction and hate not me and not anyone else wants conflict to end.
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My friend wrxjai328, who probably prefers breath taking animation over anything else leaving your mind comletely empty. I mean come on making fun of something so little as an animated MS...that's WEAK SAUCE.
Do me a favor and don't bother me about which MS is better because if you are, Zeta Gundam is out class, out matched and obsolete both in performance and function to the 00-Raiser.
You're pretty stupid if you think Zeta is outmatched against 00-Raiser. Biosensor gives complete invincibility + the power to completely shut down enemy MS.
Furthermore, Reborns Gundam, with Tau drives, BEAT 00-Raiser. Yeah it was in no condition to fight afterwards, but it stole a drive and left 00 dead in space.
Lastly, Setsuna's not a very good pilot. He needs his Trans-Am to actually fight well. Prior to getting Raiser, he just complains about how he couldn't trans-am. Against grunts.
As good as Kamille is, and he is one of the best, I doubt even he can take on Trans-Am Raiser. Shit's broken.
Not to mention I doubt Kamille would get serious with Setsuna. Their ideals are too similar, and I doubt they would fight each other, let alone to the point Kamille gets insane like he did with Yazan or Scirocco, where the biosensor abilities were at their peak.
i also agree with you zeta is in my top 5 of favorite gundam series.
p.s i cant wait for unicorn the way that wiki talks about the main villain it makes it sound like char and until proven otherwise im going to assume its him. char wont trick me for a third time. making me think hes dead.
my fav is actually 08MS team and Stardust, not that big of a fan of Zeta, Kamille complains too much like Shin.... in a way shin complains way more... "is all your fault!" thats like his only line
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I agree with the Kamille complaining, It's just that as the series progress, Kamille becomes a hypocrite whereas Shinn always aim his anger at his opponent even though they may not have killed his/her loved ones. (ex: thinking of Stellar dying when facing Athrun).
To me, I think of 08th MS team as Gundam as it's most realistic point. I heard stardust was bad from other people, is this true?
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Oy buddy. don't mess with the innovator, cuz he'll understand yo feelings and totaly make you and Kamille cry. That or Amuro will shoot Zeta down with his headless RX-78 2. PWN =P.
Tomino, Gundam's creator, has said the Kamille is the most powerful Newtype in the UC era, but Amuro is the better pilot, and Char...well he's freaking immortal it seems...^_^
that's the same with kamile...he's so powerful that char, amuro, haman, and sirocco can both sense strong pressure on him. tomino creator of gundam even said he's the most powerful.
thats just freaky in my opinion yea shes pretty but just too damn evil for m tastes yea she got her reasons the whole Char betrayal thing but dammit she just plain evil to everybody exept to judau ashta n i don entirely understand that one either
@Mortskcab well, she's even cuter in that xD and she's naked a few times... (you can't see much though) It's a really great manga but not all the volumes are up, so it ended like a cliffhanger =(
@kuronin All I'm saying is that since Haman is an evil hardcore smoking hot bitch, she needs a hardcore bad ass burly man to please her.... the only male character that I believe could do this is Char. Char is the most masculine bad ass in all of the gundam universe.... Char is the "Chuck Norris" of gundam.
Hmm....I think what's more ironic is that Nobuo Tobita (Kamille) and Yoshikibo's (Haman) roles were actually switched around in Hellsing with Tobita being the Crazy Major and Yoshikibo the heroine Integra Wingates Hellsing.
agreed i found that odd 2 hell at first when i read the hellsing cast list i'm like damn were did i hear those name b4 the it hit me n i'm like wow thats wierd
Somehow, this clip reminds me of the 6th episode of G Gundam. Think about it: the acid trip, the "beloved" character getting involved in the fight, "I'll never forgive you for what you did!", and then a Shining Finger Sword.
The group that subtitled this, 2xX, was somewhat spotty in quality. Generally, it was okay-ish, but there were some major errors in places. Still, I wasn't willing to completely re-translate these scenes, and I wouldn't feel right rewriting only certain portions of another's work, so I left the subtitles for these videos as-is.
Yoshiko Sakakibara did awesome voice work in tons of classic 80s anime -- but even though Miyazaki's _Nausicaa_ came first (where she was a great Kushana) I ALWAYS think of her voice as Haman. "Oh sh*t, that's Haman playing Kushana."
Top 10 anime villain, I think -- esp. in her lean-and-mean, original incarnation in Zeta Gundam. That simple black tunic and short cape were always far cooler than the crazy baroque Ming the Merciless getups they had her in during ZZ.
The english translation of Paptimis' last words to Camille are misleading. He literally says he will take Camille's heart with him. So if one looks at how the heart works traditionally in Japanese psychology, as the center of feelings, thought, memory, good, evil, and almost everything else, Paptimus' newtype attack is more of a heart-melting and than a brain-frying. Consciousness in this case is rooted in the heart rather than the brain, just as human relationships define who Camille is.
Eskendale 10 months ago 2
The real moment of maturity for Camille is when he recognizes what evil is and decides wholeheartedly to eliminate it. Evil for him are the people who refuse to open their hearts to others and seek only destruction or selfish gain. For example, the conflict between Zeon and Earth emerged because the Zabi family twisted Char's father's newtype theory of empathy into a weapon of war. Paptimus doesn't kill Camille's body but murders his heart, retarding his power of empathy and relating to others.
Eskendale 10 months ago
Notice how the most powerful newtype mobile suit pilots, Amuro and Camille (and to an extent Char, who grieves over Lalah's death and a need for earth to return to nature), are the most sensitive individuals who form bonds with many characters throughout their gundam timeline. Both are crybabies who lose their family members and are forced to look for surrogate siblings and parents as they suffer their ordeals on their journeys.
Eskendale 10 months ago
The gundam universe revolves around the newtype theory, that with being born in space you use more of your brain and people become able to understand each other better.What separates people like Haman / Paptimus from Camille is the fact that the former refuse to use their newtype abilities to form deep bonds with people, whereas Camille goes through the entire series making connections with friends as well as enemies. It is precisely Camille's affinity for bonding with people that powers Z Gndm
Eskendale 10 months ago
Camille having to kill Haman / Paptimus is the same as Amuro taking out Char later. The gundam villains typically use newtype abilities to just manipulate people for selfish reasons, leading to war and things like nuclear winter. In fact, it is the combined wills of both friendly and enemy mobile suit pilots that powers the psycho frame of the Nu Gundam, allowing Amuro to save earth, proving that building relationships with people is a powerful force (the same used by Camille to kill Paptimus).
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Eskendale 10 months ago
Kamille's so cute when he was young :3
jaika90 11 months ago
Jesus Christ, all this AC vs UC bull is what rips communities apart. Aside from saying oh my gundam series that I watched is the best and what not can't we all agree that Gundam is pure awesome and leave our animosity behind? This is precisely why people like Ngee Khiong abandoned his blog and what not. Grow up guys. There are more pressing matters at hand worth shouting for other than my Gundam is the best and what not. Take a look at Libya, Bahrain, parts of North Africa, ME etc. Geez
Autoramen 11 months ago 4
@Autoramen i wish what your comment would come true not just for gundam but for every thing but as long as there stupid people stuff like that will alway be around
negima47 10 months ago
hama !!
breerex123 1 year ago 2
No it's NOT whose the original. Coming first doesn't give a work a pass for sucking. Zeta fails on every concievable level. Even the creator admits it's garbage, and actually crafted a STORY with ZZ. Zeta's just a string of shock deaths and nonsensical dialouge.
malkura90210 1 year ago
@malkura90210 You do realize the reason he doesn't like it is because it's too dark for him(Tomino), not because he necessarily thinks it's a bad show.
ndalum75 1 year ago
@malkura90210
Well, actually its the opposite. Tomino said that ZZ was shit and not Zeta.
3TimesFaster 1 year ago
Wrong, all of you. Obviously, Tomino's works are one of the best. Firstly, Mobile Suit Gundam. The Father of Gundams. Without it, you wouldn't be able to watch more Gundam shows. Next, the Zeta Gundam. It's got things to make you realize. The story even tops that off. It's not who's the strongest. it's who's the original. Yes, I agree. Gundam Wing >.> ugly show. It's all about the double ketchup gun was that? Wing Gundam lacks the blocky body of Gundams.
xXLaggerFlyXx 1 year ago
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Stop talking about wing, wing is terrible
narutoman876 1 year ago
このシーンって、1stガンダムでのアムロとララァの共鳴と対になってるんじゃないかって、最近気づいた。
zitterbewegung09 1 year ago
The Turn A Gundam >>> Wing Zero
HybridSnake 1 year ago 5
@HybridSnake How? It has a goddamn moustache.
MrLunitunz 1 year ago
@HybridSnake yes, fucking yes
BrotherhoodOfTheDead 1 year ago
This sub is SOOOO terrible...
vrtnerus 1 year ago
hmmm I aint afraid of that ghost...well maybe alittle but I could kick her newtype butt with the most powerful gundam ever created....The Dangerous Wing Gundam Zero!!
heeriyujaxhunin 1 year ago
@heeriyujaxhunin HAHAHAHA! No way, Amuro's Nu Gundam is the most powerful, it saved Earth from the asteriod the size of texas! plus Gundam Wing was not made by yoshiyuki tomino (the creator of gundam) so its shouldnt even count!
Mortskcab 1 year ago 2
@Mortskcab Wrooong you fool, The Wing Zero is the most powerful gundam! it destroyed a colony...even saved the earth from battleship libra
heeriyujaxhunin 1 year ago
@heeriyujaxhunin Back in Japan Gundam wing was a show targeted towards pre-teen girls... U.C. Gundams owns.
Mortskcab 1 year ago 7
@Mortskcab The only UC Gundam show that could possibly surpass Wing, would be Unicorn. MSG-sucks. Zeta-oh god it sucks. ZZ was good though.
malkura90210 1 year ago
@malkura90210 Your obviously a Gundam noob. I been to Japan, and over there Gundam Wing is called "Gundam for girls" only faggots and women love Gundam wing
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab I don't care what a sexist homophobe such as yourself considers proper entertainment for men. I also don't care about the opinion of a bunch of dolts who think meaningless shock deaths, piss poor characters and nonsensical ramblings that passes for dialouge are what qualifies as grand storytelling. Wing is superior in every single way. All Zeta has are nostalgia goggles and a ridiculous fan base.
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Mortskcab 1 year ago
@malkura90210 People like you are pussifing men across the world. Take your political correctness bull shit somewhere else.
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab U.C was the only universe that had ever made Gundams realistic in any way but it was still in the line of science fiction but those AU's were beyond that line.
hhamor 1 year ago
@heeriyujaxhunin
Of course not..Who cares about the Colony?
00 Raiser can quantize itself and generate a large sword that may even destroy the colony.,Nu Gundam can push a giant asteroid that was even being pulled down by the earth's gravity.Hi-Nu Gundam can destroy a fragment of axis with just a single shot of it's giant rifle.
RakManX8 1 year ago
@heeriyujaxhunin perhaps Gundam Wing is the only gundam show you ever watch. those Twin Mustard Rifle is nothing againts Turn A's Moonlight Butterfly. just bcoz it can destroy colony doesnt mean its powerful. heck the only reason it look so powerful bcoz OZ trooper didnt know how to shot and evade.
devilhacker86 1 year ago
Fantastic scene from Zeta
Caznable88 1 year ago
ハマーン・カーンって高橋留美子の漫画とかに出てきそうなキャラ・・・
noumen75 1 year ago
Haman is the most feared woman in the Gundam universe...I mean even when I play games she intimidates me lol...oh and when Kamille caught her with the wires I wanted him to yell "GET OVER HERE"
Bonesdman 1 year ago
@Bonesdman Haha that would be perfect!
GundamGuy10 1 year ago
@Bonesdman
don't steal the only words scorpion uses from him. let's be reasonable.
lilprincekilla 1 year ago
@lilprincekilla hahahaha...its not stealing, its borrowing
Bonesdman 1 year ago
@Bonesdman
scorpion is selfish, how do you know he'll let you borrow them? those his only words. besides, kamille didn't really want to come near haman. he wants to kill her. so it makes sense why he wouldn't scream it. if anything, it's safer if she stayed a distance from him anyway since that's her fighting style with those stupid little pointy shooty things she always uses.
lilprincekilla 1 year ago
kamilles a mans name !!
emperorpsivamp 1 year ago
was this released in japan only?
CartoonSam229z 1 year ago
これまでだな、俗物！
gtrsujryru 1 year ago
暗黒の世界へ帰れ！ハマーンカーン！
shin0natume 1 year ago
English plzzzzzzzzz!!!!!!!!!! or was this released only in japan?
CartoonSam229z 1 year ago
@CartoonSam229z tell me about it if copyrights woud let us do there stuff for them we'd have this in english
ellnats 1 year ago
@CartoonSam229z The English dub of Zeta Gundam is godawful.
mtpenguin1 1 year ago
this is what i love about mobile suit gundam
yeah its just meachs but the newtypes and what types make it a whole diffrent battle
and it makes it epic
heeropat 1 year ago
Neo Zeon under char is the future
GreyVallorean 2 years ago
この、俗物が！
GF91MS 2 years ago 5
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what happened next?
sammynt 2 years ago
so this is what i've been watchin' in childhood =)
plandercozeron 2 years ago
Haman Khan is sooo HOTT!!! She is the Warrior Princess of SPACE!!
Nosidag87 2 years ago 25
@Nosidag87 She isn't a princess.
odin047 1 year ago
@odin047 OMG NO FOR REAL??? REALLY???? I didnt know that..o wait..YEA I DID. Dude I was usin a metaphor, and regardless of what you say, she is STILL "The Warrior PRINCESS of Space!"
Nosidag87 1 year ago
The whole point of the scene isn't who's more powerful, it's about the kind of misunderstanding that creates conflict. They both deep down...have a connection we all have (according to this), and understand eachother...but it starts with Haman succumbing to paranoia and jumping to conclusions...then after she does stuff, Kamille giving into anger until neither of them are listening to what their "souls" are telling them.
Kiyosuki 2 years ago 42
@Kiyosuki ...... damn....... that is deep, man!
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Kiyosuki Maybe that was Tomino's intent, but the execution was atrocious. Pretty much all of Zeta is like this. The narrative is so convoluted and disjointed that it loses all significance. I mean watch the scene. Haman doesn't so much "succumb to paranoia" as much as randomly dismiss what is right in front of her. No gradual descent into fear/madness. Just one second the light is on, and the next it is off. The same kind of shoddy writing and poor characterization that plagued the whole show.
tonberrykid02 1 year ago
@tonberrykid02 You're taking the scene out of context. It's clear from Haman's behavior that she's too far gone to accept that deep link.
Zeta Gundam has fine writing if you pay attention.
mtpenguin1 1 year ago
@mtpenguin1 I don't disagree that Zeta works just fine from a big picture standpoint. What I'm saying is that it doesn't flow well when actually watching the show.
tonberrykid02 1 year ago
I wonder why Tomino always emphesizes the characters' issues with childhood, adulthood, and women?
LelouchVsGundam 2 years ago
is it just me or was it that kamille just swapped gundams cause i thought he still had that black gundam that look similar to RX-78-2
Hakuru15 2 years ago
Yep. From Mk 2 to Zeta. Started the gundam changing trend.
Rich0591 2 years ago
It's pretty obvious because they don't look no where close to the same.
They painted that '' Back Gundam'' white.
He designed the Zeta Gundam and he needed it because the Federation were getting powerful suits with more potent weapons.
MidShipCivic 2 years ago
i thought judau used it 1st, then it was roux wasnt it?
sammynt 2 years ago
i know japanese very well.
but I really cant believe that he said go to hell haman khan in japanese. this is at 5:07
what an awesome video keep up the good work internetvagrant.
553205 2 years ago
You're right.
This subtitiles, to say the least, is imperfect.
Actually, Camille says,
Back to the world of darkness!! Haman Khan!!
Anyway, good video, good work, though.
truthquest 2 years ago 3
does anyone remember how char sided with the federation after zion lost the war?
fd3srx7 2 years ago
the right after he faked his death on 0079. he went on hiding and later joined the aueg. char wasn't a member of the federation because he hates earth.
rematche 2 years ago
wow thanks ! :-) but I thought aeug was federation. theres so many things I dont remember since I watched the episodes when I was 5-6 years old.
fd3srx7 2 years ago
aeug- anti-earth united government...part of federation?
rematche 2 years ago
oh ok !! my mistake ... lol
fd3srx7 2 years ago
Don't you mean Anti-Earth-Union-Group?
WaywardRyu 2 years ago
that's what they can it in japanese though. but it's still the same.
rematche 2 years ago
Ahhh, I see. Touche' rematche.
WaywardRyu 2 years ago
gundam destiny sucks and seed is not much better. Zeta is awesome, same goes for the other old gundam series
b09h 2 years ago 5
yeah,gundam seed and seed destiny are just a copy of old gundam series
chunyin2003 2 years ago 4
.....it seems that the new gundams tended to follow to same stroyline
ruilin1228 2 years ago
Haman is a the warrior princess of space! so hott :)
Nosidag87 2 years ago 2
How can stealing gundams go back to something older then 0083
Kamile stealing a gundam was in 0087
Kuroitsubasa
sombodi100 2 years ago
You lack research man, Gundams were being stolen already during the One Year War....
FallenWings63 2 years ago
ehh...no man. you lack research. the first gundamjack was in 0083.
ruilin1228 2 years ago
Hahahah you fail, clearly you don't know the Gundam Side Story... Do you even know Blue Destiny? If you don't, you fail as a Gundam Fan...
FallenWings63 2 years ago
blue destiny was never a serie man. side stroy was a game made in the late 90s man. cant even complete with the original
ruilin1228 2 years ago
Gundam seed destiny toke things from alot of gundam series
Stealing the gundams and using it agasin them. that from gundam 0083.
Falling in love with the cybernew type and she being kill is from zeta gundam. There alot more but I can't think of them right now
sombodi100 2 years ago 5
Pity it didn't pull it off anywhere near as well as the original source material.
I felt for Four. Stellar was just an irritating moron who couldn't be happier to have dead.
Omnicrom 2 years ago
Destiny took them and made them all worse.
redcomet55 2 years ago 4
Stealing Gundams goes back to something older...
Kamille jacked the MK-II and used it against the Titans... unless you meant antagonists taking Gundams
but... to add on more stuff you've been saying-
Having the guy in a red mobile suit in the previous series mentor the new guy
(Shinn-Athrun, Kamille-Char)
A girl getting the main character's previous mobile suit who upgraded to a better one
(Lunamaria gaining the Impulse, Emma getting the MKII)
kuroitsubasaES 2 years ago
seriously? comparing destiny with Zeta?
Main theme of Gundam has been how small an individual is in wars.
Kamile was a civilian not soldier
he is rather forced to fight in the war regardless of his own will. He loses
his family, friends, and lovers.
He is only treated as a elite soldier rather than a human being. His childish behavior which is caused by the fact that he is a child only meets with scorn and beating.
seabard77 2 years ago
people who treats Kamiyu as an individual either dies to protect Kamiyu or by Kamiyu himself.
If I quote someone, Kamiyu is in eternal darkenss called war which isolates him from everyone else.
At the end after Kamiyu goes insane,
Kamiyu says he is suffocating, he wants to get out.
Gundam in old days had complicity,
new types weren't just steroid seed cracking in your eyes.
seabard77 2 years ago
G Gundam FTW!
Blitzkakashi 2 years ago
lol, I could never forget the words that were said whenever the shining or burning fingers were done in G gundam.
Zenotile 2 years ago
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Haman and Starscream would make a very good couple.
starscream6000 2 years ago
やはり英語版ではなく日本語版の方がしっくり来ますね・・・アメリカ人に、こういった深い話はわかるのでしょうか、賢い人はわかりそうですが・・・、ハリウッド映画なんか見慣れてる連中には難しすぎてわからないのでは・・・
junjapan00 2 years ago 7
そうですね。Ｚの良さは内面からくる感情ですからね。自分も他人に伝えにくくてスミマセン。
おっしゃることトテモ同感です。
kafooman 2 years ago
amuro would of easily pwned zeta
deidara173 2 years ago
nods*
MakuMake 2 years ago
Hmm, none of you praise Fa's braveness?
Josui2000 2 years ago
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how can you not understand Setsuna is the best PERIOD. INNOVATOR POWER!!!
MakuMake 2 years ago
why dont u get out, gundam doesnt need stupid fans like you ^^ go back to admiring your gundam with the giant marble in the chest k thx bai
makumake, wakata, you an idiot!!
wrxjai328 2 years ago 5
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whatever =P 00-Raiser is awesome PERIOD. Who wouldn't want a gundam that does pure pwnage and makes the human consciousness expand into others harmonizing the feelings of both our allies and enemies ending confllict and war then finally attaining true peace and happiness. Who would want to have a out of date MS that only furthers destruction and hate not me and not anyone else wants conflict to end.
MakuMake 2 years ago
maybe because Turn A and Victory Gundam can make the same thing :) Period.
kos83 2 years ago
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My friend wrxjai328, who probably prefers breath taking animation over anything else leaving your mind comletely empty. I mean come on making fun of something so little as an animated MS...that's WEAK SAUCE.
Do me a favor and don't bother me about which MS is better because if you are, Zeta Gundam is out class, out matched and obsolete both in performance and function to the 00-Raiser.
MakuMake 2 years ago
You're pretty stupid if you think Zeta is outmatched against 00-Raiser. Biosensor gives complete invincibility + the power to completely shut down enemy MS.
Furthermore, Reborns Gundam, with Tau drives, BEAT 00-Raiser. Yeah it was in no condition to fight afterwards, but it stole a drive and left 00 dead in space.
Lastly, Setsuna's not a very good pilot. He needs his Trans-Am to actually fight well. Prior to getting Raiser, he just complains about how he couldn't trans-am. Against grunts.
AlteisenZeta 2 years ago
As good as Kamille is, and he is one of the best, I doubt even he can take on Trans-Am Raiser. Shit's broken.
Not to mention I doubt Kamille would get serious with Setsuna. Their ideals are too similar, and I doubt they would fight each other, let alone to the point Kamille gets insane like he did with Yazan or Scirocco, where the biosensor abilities were at their peak.
IncandescentBlaze 2 years ago
wow in your many haters of you you still are fighting you must be desperate lol
stikfas23 2 years ago
No, the fans that need to get out are the ones that proclaim gundam xxxxxx (UC, CE, 00, etc) is the best while the others suck.
True gundam fans will accept whatever gundam series there are. For me, Zeta is my fav. series.
Looking forward to Unicorn.
KiraXBara123 2 years ago 7
I agree with you 100%. I may not like CE that much, but I won't diss it or berate it. I prefer Zeta as well, but I also like G Gundam and Wing.
-Tansho S.E.
Miroku1218 2 years ago
i also agree with you zeta is in my top 5 of favorite gundam series.
p.s i cant wait for unicorn the way that wiki talks about the main villain it makes it sound like char and until proven otherwise im going to assume its him. char wont trick me for a third time. making me think hes dead.
cgonza10 2 years ago
my fav is actually 08MS team and Stardust, not that big of a fan of Zeta, Kamille complains too much like Shin.... in a way shin complains way more... "is all your fault!" thats like his only line
stupidjay2 2 years ago
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I agree with the Kamille complaining, It's just that as the series progress, Kamille becomes a hypocrite whereas Shinn always aim his anger at his opponent even though they may not have killed his/her loved ones. (ex: thinking of Stellar dying when facing Athrun).
To me, I think of 08th MS team as Gundam as it's most realistic point. I heard stardust was bad from other people, is this true?
KiraXBara123 2 years ago
..... speechless
seabard77 2 years ago
yeah, you're right, shinn whines more. i at least felt sorry for camille, but, for shinn, his continuous whining really gets on my nerves.
starscream6000 2 years ago 3
i agree with you worship your gundam with a marble boob
stikfas23 2 years ago
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BOOO Setsuna F. Seiei is the best in any universe. Innovator POWER!!!
MakuMake 2 years ago
why don't you shut up, what the hell do you know about gundam.
wrxjai328 2 years ago 2
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Oy buddy. don't mess with the innovator, cuz he'll understand yo feelings and totaly make you and Kamille cry. That or Amuro will shoot Zeta down with his headless RX-78 2. PWN =P.
MakuMake 2 years ago
i dont understand what yo talking about totalyyyyyyyy
man i told u to shut up fool.
wrxjai328 2 years ago
i agree
xgrimreaper911 2 years ago
that makes sense
kamillezg 3 years ago
i think amuro ray is the most powerful newtype in the uc era, he could've totally owned haman in this battle lol
kamillezg 3 years ago
Tomino, Gundam's creator, has said the Kamille is the most powerful Newtype in the UC era, but Amuro is the better pilot, and Char...well he's freaking immortal it seems...^_^
DannytheRoboguy 3 years ago 4
yeah amuro ray is best
deidara173 2 years ago
Kamille Bidan is the most powerful newtype ever!" :D
sleiks 3 years ago 3
thats not true. i believe lala is. the girl can sense people from like miles and miles away.
ruilin1228 2 years ago
that's the same with kamile...he's so powerful that char, amuro, haman, and sirocco can both sense strong pressure on him. tomino creator of gundam even said he's the most powerful.
rematche 2 years ago
Zeta, you have made me feel a loss! I'll repay you!
InsertSh33p 3 years ago 3
She must really love char to wanna kill him so badly.
heavymetalking98 3 years ago 3
tough love
deathcroZERO 2 years ago
Char's disturbing habit of flirting with young woman certainly had left a trail of destruction!
seminolePP 3 years ago
Yeah if he wasn't such a Miky Momo Otaku Hamam would have kept her hairstyle
impsuit 3 years ago 2
Minky momo.
osakanone 3 years ago
In my opinion, Haman is one of the hottest babes in gundam history! Damn I bet she is a freak in bed! ^^
Mortskcab 3 years ago 16
thats just freaky in my opinion yea shes pretty but just too damn evil for m tastes yea she got her reasons the whole Char betrayal thing but dammit she just plain evil to everybody exept to judau ashta n i don entirely understand that one either
lycan343 3 years ago
@Mortskcab lol have you seen her in Char's Deleted Affair? lol.
soldier4670 1 year ago
@soldier4670 no...... tell me more!
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab well, she's even cuter in that xD and she's naked a few times... (you can't see much though) It's a really great manga but not all the volumes are up, so it ended like a cliffhanger =(
soldier4670 1 year ago
@soldier4670 I bet haman loves it rough and heavy. And I bet no man could please her.... except Char.
Mortskcab 1 year ago
@Mortskcab Or Judau...
kuronin 1 year ago
@kuronin All I'm saying is that since Haman is an evil hardcore smoking hot bitch, she needs a hardcore bad ass burly man to please her.... the only male character that I believe could do this is Char. Char is the most masculine bad ass in all of the gundam universe.... Char is the "Chuck Norris" of gundam.
Mortskcab 1 year ago 4
@Mortskcab Correction, Char is above Chuck Packard Norris.
christlubas 1 year ago 3
@soldier4670
Well, at least we all know the fate of this fair lady. What a waste, isn't it?
MrBS4 1 year ago
@Mortskcab You should see her in Char's Deleted Affair (the Manga), she is one spicy babe!
GundamGuy10 1 year ago
Hmm....I think what's more ironic is that Nobuo Tobita (Kamille) and Yoshikibo's (Haman) roles were actually switched around in Hellsing with Tobita being the Crazy Major and Yoshikibo the heroine Integra Wingates Hellsing.
Magilegend 3 years ago
agreed i found that odd 2 hell at first when i read the hellsing cast list i'm like damn were did i hear those name b4 the it hit me n i'm like wow thats wierd
lycan343 3 years ago
judau^
octoslut 3 years ago
Is Haman's newtype ability a natural or artificial?
shishihenge 3 years ago
natural the artificial one "ple n ple two" were created in a test tube hence the name cyber newtypes
lycan343 3 years ago
so the experiments that happened in "Char's Deleted Affair" Manga is not meant to turn Haman into Newtype?
shishihenge 3 years ago
nope from what i understand it was to test if she was/had the potential to become a newtype
lycan343 3 years ago
Kamille on the other hand I think could've beaten her.
kamillezg 3 years ago
He HAD her just now, but he screwed up.
KDavisJr86 3 years ago
Good I thought maybe Judau killed her, that would've sucked because he would be no match for Hamman.
kamillezg 3 years ago
hudau is as good gud as kamille. in the end hamman just couldn't handle it that a kid was better then her and so she comitted suicide.
octoslut 3 years ago
What happens to Hamman in ZZ Gundam? Lol sorry I still haven't seen it yet!
kamillezg 3 years ago
she commits suicide.
octoslut 3 years ago 2
which episode is that? which number?
shishihenge 3 years ago
haman is sooo kool =)
animefan388 3 years ago
Somehow, this clip reminds me of the 6th episode of G Gundam. Think about it: the acid trip, the "beloved" character getting involved in the fight, "I'll never forgive you for what you did!", and then a Shining Finger Sword.
alHalwima 3 years ago
Which subber is this?
XxFulgrimxX 3 years ago
It was done by 2xX.
InternetVagrant 3 years ago
Is Haman's "It's just a simple trick" a suitable translation?
rwsquf 3 years ago
Uh, I'm afraid not.
How about "impudent"?
I have no idea who the translator is,,, but probably a Japanese hired by Bandai agency.
I hate to bring this up, but there could've been a better translator at that time.
At least, I still believe like that.
truthquest 3 years ago 3
Not really.
The group that subtitled this, 2xX, was somewhat spotty in quality. Generally, it was okay-ish, but there were some major errors in places. Still, I wasn't willing to completely re-translate these scenes, and I wouldn't feel right rewriting only certain portions of another's work, so I left the subtitles for these videos as-is.
InternetVagrant 3 years ago
i think that's OK. a big thank you for updating. this sequence is very important in understanding the idea of Tomino.
rwsquf 3 years ago 3
What a true statement that is.
simdaddy 3 years ago
Kamille could've killed her, but he didn't.
"Lalah's voice" made him hesitate about it.
truthquest 4 years ago
Also looked like Haman could've killed him if Pha and Katz hadn't dropped in to say "Hello." :P
2112Trees 3 years ago 2
That would be so good! Fa was annoying.
Very good for Tomino to add more people to the death count.
KiraXBara123 3 years ago
Yoshiko Sakakibara did awesome voice work in tons of classic 80s anime -- but even though Miyazaki's _Nausicaa_ came first (where she was a great Kushana) I ALWAYS think of her voice as Haman. "Oh sh*t, that's Haman playing Kushana."
Top 10 anime villain, I think -- esp. in her lean-and-mean, original incarnation in Zeta Gundam. That simple black tunic and short cape were always far cooler than the crazy baroque Ming the Merciless getups they had her in during ZZ.
classof77 4 years ago 3
She was 29 when this episode was on air, in 1985.
It's surprise that she also acted as Mauer, of Titans.
truthquest 3 years ago