Regardless of the width of the cycle lane cyclists are not required by law to use it at all. Highway Code Rules 61 and 63 state that use of cycle lanes is not compulsory. If it were and riders got injured because they were not allowed to take avoiding action, just think of the law suits that would be going on all the time. Motorists on the other hand are not allowed to enter optional cycle lanes (with broken lines) if a cyclist is there or mandatory cycle lanes (solid line) at all.
It's sad to know there are that many people in possession of driving licences who've commented on this video suggesting that the driver was even the slightest bit blameless. In fact, it's rather worrying don't you think? The camera is always on when I'm riding, just as you say, you never know what might happen or when you might need video evidence.
That "perfectly adequate cycle lane" has the paint worn out from all the drivers who cut the corner. It is therefore not a safe place to ride, as demonstrated by this video. Perhaps if you are not "sufficiently competent" a driver you should surrender your driving licence? Remember, cyclists are not compelled to use cycle lanes (Highway Code 61 & 63). Drivers are required to drive with due care and attention. 3 feet is the recommended passing distance, not the width of a white line.
@lsbrother Oi oi oi oi oi......... what ARE you on about!? Clearly this man is doing his best to cycle when he could very easily drive, and in a totally legal and competent manner, not hugging the kerb (which is asking to be hit). Could you please explain your somewhat bizarre point?
At least she apologized, how many drivers out there would have opened their window or got out of the car and yelled "GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU FUCKING CUNT".
Yes she apologised but only because she knew she couldn't drive away from me, even though she tried. Despite being very angry with her, I wasn't going to let my anger have the better of me and say something which I'd later regret. You've only got one chance to get your point across and I wasn't going to waste it. Hopefully she learned something about exercising patience and driving safely from that experience.
I'd have told you seriously where to go!!! Who the hell are you?! No way would I take damage form another car just to avoid a cyclist. You weren't even in the cycle lane properly!
There was no need to risk damage to your car. If you were in this driver's place, you could have simply slowed down, let the other car go and passed me at a safe distance. The only compulsory thing with cycle lanes is not to drive in them. Cyclists don't have to use them but drivers should give at least 3 feet of room when passing cyclists.
I know the bike lane is poor and not practical to ride in, but you are just inviting trouble riding like that. Even get in the bike lane or occupy the car lane. That sort of inbetween position is just begging for close passes.
This is true. I'd become complacent here but this incident reminded me not to let my guard down. Since that moment I've stayed away from the cycle lane there. The corner is habitually cut by drivers to the point where the paint is wearing out. Riding next to the cycle lane, all drivers since this accident have kept their distance from me and I pass through in safety.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
as a cyclist, i was nearly run over by a women, reversing her car, while talking on a mobile phone. it amazes me sometimes how some people actually pass a driving test. you can be the most safest cyclist in the world, but you will allways get the odd idiot driver, who doesnt give 2 hoots about the cyclist. hope you were ok though
That's an unpleasant experience you had, sounds like you had a lucky escape as did I here. The contact was not enough to have me off the bike and so I escaped injury thankfully! It is true though, you have to consider that not all drivers conduct themselves well and there are those who have little regard for the safety of others. Hopefully this incident reminded this driver how quickly things can change if you're prepared to take risks on the road.
Thanks for saying so. Yes I was furious at the time too. However I wasn't going to give that driver the slightest impression that they could somehow excuse their actions by taking my anger out on them or their car. Far better to speak sense to them in the hopes they learn how to drive safely in future.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
Traffic can be very busy that's true but like anywhere else, if you leave enough time for your journey that shouldn't be a problem. Of course in London we also enjoy a great public transport network so you're not compelled to take your car everywhere you go. Although, in the rush hour the trains, buses and tubes can become as congested as the roads, which is why I choose the bike. It takes no longer than the train and is by far quicker than the car.
This is a poorly designed section of road. Waiting at the lights immediately before there are two lanes. For a very short section these become one wide lane and then back to two again. The RH lane becomes the right turn only lane. These two drivers had some sort of get together and were so involved that neither of them could give way to the other. I still blame the woman who hit me though as she had the best view of me and the opportunity to avoid the accident. Only she didn't.
Oh I do like the smiley face on your comment. That's about all I like though. Please search other comments on this video for some useful information on the non-existent-road-tax. You might just learn that it was replaced by Vehicle Excise Duty and that I too pay that tax - at the higher rate as I own a Band K car. Although, I am considering trading it in for a Band A car, which is exempt just like cyclists are, only so I can leave replies that say I own a car but still pay no road tax!
@mjp1511 shame she didnt? are you kidding? she was driving recklessly with disregard to others safety, the uploader COULD have been killed if she steered a little more to the left, or badly injured at the least, and if this didnt happen she could have had an accident with the other car involved, common sense helps in this case, i suggest you use some before posting next time
Cycling on the path is illegal but I can understand why you might prefer it to the road. The thing to do is ride with confidence and you become much safer simply by not letting the fear of what might happen take hold. Have you considered Bikeability training?
@kmcyc I live in a small town so it's not so bad here, but I also ride a motorbike and it just seems natural for pushbikes to be on the path and motorbikes on the road, especially in suburbia where you hardly ever see anyone on the footpaths.
Also, I don't really ride often enough on pushbikes and it's bad enough for bikers that have all the prtective gear and who can keep up with the traffic.
I admire you guys, but I'm happier and safer on the path.
Be honest dude, you swerved out to avoid the drain cover, at which point she beeped a warning and managed to only hit you with her mirror, which folded back harmlessly like it's supposed to. She WAS cutting into your lane just a bit, or on the line anyway - but so were you. If in doubt, both brake levers...
And drivers don't also steer around potholes? This is the reason why you are supposed to leave 3 feet when passing cyclists, to give them room to make small adjustments like this. She beeped because she panicked. She knew it was too late to avoid hitting me. Yes I was lucky it was only her mirror but there is no such thing as a harmless accident. When you hit someone from behind, you are entirely to blame. You can see them they may not be able to see you. She should have braked.
@kmcyc Spoken like a true cyclist instead of a driver. As a driver the very first thing your'e taught is "mirror, signal, move". You don't even have any mirrors on that bike let alone use them, do you? It's a fallacy that the driver behind is always at fault; if you swerve out of your lane into theirs then YOU are at fault. The earlier part of the vid shows you clearly over the line in the car lane, you go back to the cycle lane - then suddenly swerve out again. You have no lane discipline.
If I have no lane discipline, then neither does she. After all, we were both in the cycle lane when the collision occurred. "Spoken like a true cyclist instead of a driver" that's insightful. Ok, so when I drive my car I leave at least 3 feet when passing cyclists, knowing full well that they may need to move around to avoid potholes etc. When I ride my motorbike, I do the same. And no, it is not a "fallacy", when you hit from behind you're at fault if you cannot follow safely.
Thank you. Despite being very angry at being hit I knew there was nothing to gain by taking it out on the driver who hit me. You only get one chance to get your point across and I wasn't prepared to let this one drive away thinking they were in their 'right' to drive so recklessly. Hopefully she has a lasting positive memory of this incident and doesn't take the same chance when there are cyclists on the road with her.
What's this? Payment of a tax entitles you to run people over if they don't use engines?
OK, here it is again: Road Tax was abolished by Sir Winston Churchill in 1937 precisely because of this false entitlement. I pay Vehicle Excise Duty because I own a Band K car so pay more "road tax" than most car owners. I choose to cycle because it's the quickest way for me to get to work. What I expect, regardless of my choice of travel, is safe passage on the public roads.
@kmcyc i just don't understand why certain cyclists have such a militant attitude towards any others who do not ride bicycles. Learn to tolerate others.
Possibly some riders might feel that way but there's little to be gained with that attitude. Don't forget that like most cyclists I also drive, you can't have it both ways. However, what becomes clear when you ride is that small mistakes by either party can have significant consequences for the rider. When I spoke to her, I tolerated her pathetic excuse for the reckless driving which lead to her hitting my bike with her car. Any closer and I would have been going to hospital.
@kmcyc I am a motorcyclist, so I know how dangerous things can be and how quick things can happen. "Possibly some riders might feel that way but there's little to be gained with that attitude." I totally agree.
Ive got a dashcam and the shit the cycles do in london is terrible. overtake on left and right and even both at the same time... On Weekends they go round in big posseys. up to 20 of them blocking the whole road, cycling next to each other so no one can overtake, Knocking on car roofs if they are unhappy with how they drive!!
Its goes both ways and cycles need to be a little more considerate of the car users..
The only part of your comment that makes any sense are the words "more considerate", which really should have been phrased in a sentence that goes along the lines of "drivers and cyclists need to be a little more considerate of each other". Both have equal rights on the roads and equal rights to use the road safely. Yes there are riders who take silly risks but by the same token, there are drivers who also take silly risks. Yet drivers are more likely to kill than be killed.
If there was no room for the two cars side-by-side in this single lane road, she should have backed off and let them pass, not try to block them. Concentrating more on staying ahead of them she forgot to watch the road ahead of her and so she caused the accident. As for "get in the bike lane more" I avoid the lane completely now. Riding beside it, drivers give me more room and so am able to pass through with improved safety.
What good would that do? Two wrongs do not make a right and violence toward her or her car is enough to have you arrested and any wrong-doings on her part would not be taken seriously by the police. That attitude only breeds bad feelings from motorists towards cyclists and that driver may later take her anger out on another innocent cyclist. Consider the longer term consequences of your actions please! Stay calm, you'll get a better end result.
Maybe if she hadn't driven into the cycle lane she wouldn't have hit me. Are you another that believes the thickness of a white line is safety margin enough? Never heard that you should leave 3 feet when passing another? Particularly if that other is a cyclist? So, drivers cross into that cycle lane so often the paint is wearing out. Result: I ride next to the cycle lane these days and drivers ensure they leave me plenty of space and don't cut that corner while I'm there.
Now, you really are making stuff up. "The driver never left his lane". Two things: 1. yes the driver left their lane as they entered the cycle lane and 2. the driver was a 'she'. Your observations skills are therefore somewhat dubious if you failed to note these two rather obvious facts. Anyone who hits another from behind is at fault, either following too close or not paying attention or both.
That's nice. Still though, as I'd have your car, number plate and by talking to you, your face and abusive language captured on video, it would be a simple matter to hand that footage over to the police, now wouldn't it? Show a little more consideration, you'll avoid accidents and end up having a better day.
The twats who are giving the cyclist in this clip a hard time are probably the same people who drive cars and think they shouldn't have to pay speeding fines and parking fines - claiming they are an extra tax on motorists.
Sometimes you wonder how stupid people can be, then you find out they can be very stupid indeed.
@churchmike The guy in the video wasn't even in the bike lane! How can you defend him? The driver couldn't veer out of the way because she had traffic to the right while this asshole cyclist had a bike lane and a sidewalk
@NuclearD420 At the moment he was hit he WAS in the bike lane, and so was the car that hit him, watch again! But before he wasn't, probably because the problem with bike lanes is that they frequently have storm drains that aren't up at the same level as the road and they need to be avoided because they are dangerous and very slippery, so sometimes cyclists temporarily go in the other lanes. It is illegal to cycle on pavements with no cycle lane in them. They call them footpaths for a reason.
Thanks for pointing out the critical piece that somehow was missed - the fact that the collision occurred in the bike lane! And of course the fact that cycling on the footpath - not that there is much of one there - is illegal.
@NuclearD420 By using the words "asshole" and "sidewalk", I deduce you are American. The USA, the land where the car is king. So, no bias there then ...
@churchmike I have to agree with the yank, the bike lane is there for a reason, if he was fully in the bike lane he wouldn't have been hit.
However, ultimately the driver was unable to deal with an unusual situation safely, hopefully both of them will learn a lesson from this, but I doubt it.
Are you serious? You believe that the thickness of a white line is protection enough? You should leave 3 feet when passing a car or a cyclist. You should not drive in a cycle lane. Had both these rules been adhered to, this video would not exist. The driver caused the "unusual situation" by concentrating on blocking another rather than paying attention to what was ahead. I hope she did learn, I certainly did. I learned not to use this cycle lane at all, it's too dangerous.
@kmcyc I think you may have misunderstood my coment, I agree with you she was in the wrong for not braking, that was her inability to handle being sandwiched like that properly. but as a biker you've got to plan on things like that to happening and riding in the centre of the bike lane (where most drivers expect a biker to be) is a great way to minimise risk to yourself, especially in this example since it would have avoided the accident completely.
I got what you were saying, apart from being in centre of the bike lane. Bike lanes are often installed without any consultation from cyclists, who are then expected to use them. This bike lane has the paint worn out by so many drivers cutting the corner, which contributed to this lady driving into me. As a result I avoid using the lane altogether. This makes me more visible as I'm more in the driver's view while at the same time providing space to move left if needed.
@kmcyc Yea I realise some bike lanes aren't very intelligently designed, but if there is a bike in the lane drivers make an effort to stay out of the lane, even in this situation she barely entered the bike lane and that has to be one of the worst cases with two cars side by side.
You may be more visible to drivers but this instance illustrates that sometimes it just doesn't matter. The safest place is always going to be in the bike lane out of the path of traffic.
I don't know if you ride or not but I have to say that with 16 years of cycling experience, 8000 miles cycled per year into Central London and back daily for the last 7 years I know that keeping left isn't the safest option. This video shows precisely that. Drivers habitually cut the corner of the cycle lane where the collision happened so much that the paint is faded and worn. Cycle tyres won't have done that. Keep right and you have space to avoid those who come too close.
@kmcyc I do ride, not as much as you, I respect your experience but I disagree with your interpritation of this video. the idea of being more visible to drivers and being able to move left is a good idea in theory, but in this video you didn't exactly do a good job of getting out the way, I think this is simply because you can't have eyes in the back of your head, but I'm curious as to why you think you were unable to get out of the way.
That's a fair question. I'd become complacent and allowed my familiarity with this road to lull me into a false sense that licensed drivers would drive sensibly when approaching a cyclist in particular! I knew nothing of the approaching danger because I hadn't checked behind, so didn't know to move or react at all. At least that's one good thing to come from this, I'll always remember to check behind here and be sure to avoid that cycle lane where the corner is cut especially!
@kmcyc Yea definitely never rely on drivers acting sensibly, while most do, it only takes one. I think I still believe you're safest in the bike lane though, I have never had any problems spotting bikers who ride in the lanes because they're still very much in your field of view.
I think instead of being in the road and checking behind to see if you need to move left, you'd be better off being left all the time, the cars in the video which did cut the corner didn't do so by much really.
Sadly it doesn't take much to have an accident. That's pretty much what happened in this video TBH. And since I've stopped using this cycle lane, drivers have all left me plenty of room. The shoulder-checks help in that respect too as both of us know that I know the driver is there. Sounds daft maybe but that also seems to have a calming effect on those following me. Staying left on encourages drivers to come closer and leaves no space to escape to if you need it.
Are we talking about the same video? You don't see the car enter the cycle lane where it hits me? The driver didn't "veer out of the way" because she was so intent on blocking another, while on a single lane road I'll point out, that she failed to see me. All she had to do was back off, let that driver pass if they were the aggressor or not attempt to undertake them if it were her that started it. Then she would have had plenty of time and space to avoid causing an accident.
@NuclearD420 So if there isn't a bike lane, the cyclist shouldn't be on the road at all? The bottom line is this: that driver just got angry that she was about to lose her place in the queue and didn't think about the cyclist at all. Whether there's a bike lane or not, cyclists are on the road (and have a right to be). As responsible drivers, we should take care to avoid killing them (as we have to avoid killing pedestrians who cross the road at a crossing).
Thanks for the comment and observations on the additional costs drivers incur when they flout the rules. Avoiding those extra expenses is really easy and makes the roads safer and more pleasant to use for everyone else.
nobody owns the road and everybody should pay more attention of what's happening around them.. in this case i believe it was the driver's fault because the cyclist was in front of her..
no matter if the bike was exactly in the cycle lane.. who's fault would be if there was a small child standind with one foot on the sidewalk and one foot on the road and a car hits the child..? think again guys, i would blame for sure the car..
Thanks for the comment and observations. Everyone has a responsibility to use the road safely and the example you give of a child running in the road is a clear one that reinforces that point! If you run into the back of someone, its your fault, either following too closely or not paying attention or both. Road raging as she was with the other driver contributed to this incident too as can be seen how she carried on blocking them after hitting me.
@SaintDapiea aye you see the drain cover he was avoiding, if he was in the cycle lane then swerved to avoid the drain you can get hit because your unpredidctable.
I was in the bike lane. That's how I got hit. When the driver also joined me in the bike lane. Do you really think bike lanes make cycling any safer? Motorists are compelled not to drive in them yet they do. Cyclists are not compelled to ride in them and this one, I avoid completely since this moment and have had no problems with drivers trying to smash me off my bike at all. Instead they all leave plenty of room, just as this woman should have done that morning.
I do believe that these videos - while often being able to point out actively inconsiderate and spiteful driving towards cyclists - also have the ability to overexaggerate honest driving mistakes that even the most experienced driver driver makes, making the driver in question look bad. I won't argue, that was poor driving, but your tone of voice and choice of words was inconsiderate in that case, when the driver openly apologised to you. You have to give *some* people the benefit of the doubt.
This wasn't an "honest driving mistake" it was road rage. She was trying her best to block the other driver and failed to notice me until it was too late. As for my tone and what I said, remember I've narrowly avoided leaving the scene in an ambulance. Had she been any closer when she hit me I would have been on the floor, possibly run over as well. I didn't threaten nor did I swear or shout. She should have braked and driven responsibly. What would you have said to her?
@kmcyc Perhaps I just see it differently, I don't know. I don't live in London, in fact, I don't live in a highly populated area at all, so can't claim to know how bad road rage/fighting is in such places, but if I did encounter that situation, from what she said and in the way she said it, I would have taken that as a moment of lost sense. As for your words, the "braking advice" seemed to be incredibly patronising and shouting "what's all this then?", very provocative.
Well, given we were on a single lane road and she was side by side with another car, that would indicate some pretty bad driving. Use of the brakes there would have been a good idea. Instead you can see as the road becomes two lanes again, she is still attempting to block the other driver. As for my opening comment, you'll note it took two attempts to get her to stop and apologise. Otherwise she would have left the scene of an accident altogether, which is illegal.
Instead of losing my temper with someone who has just hit me I remained calm and spoke rationally. Lets not forget I was on my bike and so narrowly escaped injury. Why is it that when drivers overtake other cars they leave 2-3 feet gap yet when they overtake another human who just happens NOT to be sitting inside a metal safety cage, they feel it's ok to pass within inches? Her initial aggression towards me by hitting me with her car was pretty provocative IMO.
@kmcyc It just looks to me that these videos on youtube seek to completely demonise these single drivers as hell-bent road ragers who drive like their car is on fire, when really, very few people actually can claim that they either know these people personally, or their driving sense on a regular basis, only on chance encounter. I agree with you whole-heartedly, don't get me wrong. Driving like this is inconsiderate and dangerous, but don't be so quick to tar everyone with the same brush.
Cycling 30 miles a day to and from Central London, I encounter a lot of motorists. The vast majority of which are perfectly fine. Do they all see bikes? I don't know if they do but at least they drive sensibly enough not to cause problems to other road users, bikes included. Sure a momentary lapse of concentration can lead to an incident but when a bike is involved, no matter who is at fault, the rider will come off worse. These videos highlight what can happen from a rider's POV.
@NickPwnsUTube No, it's drivers who think they own the public highway, and so often refuse to share it with cyclists and horse riders as they are legally obliged to.
@CyclingMikey Admittedly, yes. Some drivers are reckless and 100% opposed to cyclists. I however, feel that if a cyclist is responsible enough and follows the rules of the road, then they can use the road too. But there are too many who do not. The amount of times I have seen a cyclist go through a red light, or swerve out in front of a car without looking is ridiculous. Bright green jacket and helmet? Wear them. If a cyclist is wearing all-black, at 2am, and gets hit. Who's fault is it really?
@NickPwnsUTube Sure, but everyone tends to focus on the bad cyclists, and then forgets and excuses the elephant in the room, being all the bad drivers. They're a similar proportion to good drivers, as bad cyclists:good cyclists, since we're all the same humans.
Remember also that that elephant in the room is killing and injuring hundreds of thousands of people per year in the UK. Cyclists don't do that, plus most cyclists are also drivers.
@CyclingMikey I think you (from a cyclist's perspective) and I (from a drivers perspective) have a similar view here. As much as we focus on the bad cyclists, you too, focus on the bad drivers. It's just how society works these days. 2% ruin it for the 98%.
@NickPwnsUTube I hate to tell you this, but no, like most of the camera users I don't only focus on bad drivers, but on all bad road users. You'll note I have quite a few contributions to the Silly Cyclists series here on YouTube. You might enjoy it, btw, there's some amazing stuff on there.
Like most cyclists, I'm also a driver and a pedestrian. I also don't like driving in central London traffic, well rather waiting in the queues.
I see you've had a good debate with @CyclingMikey. As Mikey says, most of us are really looking out for unsafe road users, who could endanger themselves or others. Doesn't matter if they ride or drive, everyone has a responsibility to use the road safely. Of course, inexperience can be a factor and I've posted videos "Filtering Is Not Compulsory..." in the hope that riders may learn from them. Although I think impatience rather than experience was this driver's issue.
Of what I see she was on the bike lane limit and you was on the bike lane limit ... So no one was in fault... Just ride in the middle and don't try to take more space than your suppose to have . The little white line on the road is not a path to follow ! It's the limit between bike lane and car lane.... Camera on your helmet don't give you the right to do anything ! Just ride in the bike lane and not on the limit there will be no problem... Learn to ride before crying on youtube.
You wouldn't be another one who thinks the white line is sufficient safety margin would you? Why is it they say to give 3 feet when passing? Drivers leave that space when passing another driver, yet believe inches are fine when passing a cyclist, who doesn't have the safety cage surrounding them. Accidents don't happen they're caused and where there's cause there's blame. You cannot hit someone from behind without taking that blame. I don't use that bike lane at all now it's safer.
always same answer.... well done robot ! hahaha.. I am a bike rider too, and mister, you are all we give us a bad name. Thank you very much to don't make difference between some who pass you near you and someone who tried to get out of a situation with an other car... Of what I see she wasn't at 3 feet of the other car and she doesn't enter the bike lane ... Just fucking ride in the middle like everyone else and things like that, wont append.
@NickPwnsUTube im sorry, but he was riding in the cycle lane. he was as responsible as he could be and yet the driver moved into the cycle lane and hit him. So cyclists think they own the road?
Hmm, so I guess you feel that the thickness of a white line is plenty of safety margin? How come everyone else here managed to leave the recommended 3 feet, yet this driver was so involved in a road rage with another motorist they hit me while I was in the cycle lane? Given that the paint has been worn out by the number of drivers who drift into it, I no longer use this cycle lane at all, instead I ride 2-3 feet to the right of it and am left plenty of space.
@kmcyc The white lines seem perfectly fine to me, it was the pot hole which you went round caused you to have an altercation with the driver and yes I agree the driver was in dispute with another motorist which they were both at fault for
"The white lines seem perfectly fine to me" this implies that you are quite comfortable driving dangerously close to cyclists. Three feet is the recommended safe passing distance to leave, a good example of why is for when it is necessary to ride around pot holes. Oh, goodness me, isn't that what we see in this video? A cyclist avoiding a pothole getting hit by a driver who drives too close to cyclists?
@kmcyc Like most people who post things or make comments on youtube they see things only in back and white,"The white lines seem perfectly fine to me" does not imply that I am quite comfortable driving dangerously close to cyclists, you should take some responsibility. You at that time chose to swerve round the pot hole without checking behind you on a busy road and before you say it YES the WOMAN was at FAULT as well in fact both cars were.
Well thank you for clearing that up. I guess I misinterpreted your comment then. Given the fact that this is a single lane road with a cycle lane and everyone else was able to give plenty of space I was surprised to find one who was more concerned with their road rage episode than with looking out for what was in front of them. My lasting reaction to this has been to avoid using the cycle lane here. Riding further from the kerb I am easier to see and as a result safer.
Very true. The thing is, if their incorrect road use involves a bike then then regardless of whether it is the rider or another at fault, it will be the one on the bike who ends up paying a higher price and possibly even the ultimate price for that mistake.
Two wrongs do not make a right. Tempting as it may be to retaliate if you commit criminal damage in response to being hit by a driver, that will only weaken your case if the police are involved. It may also provide the driver with some mis-guided justification for continuing to drive dangerously near cyclists.
Cyclists expect everyone to be alert for them, and fair enough, but it is hard to care about 'cyclists rights' when on a daily basis I see them break the rules of the road and put themselves in danger. If I hit you because you are being an asshole, guess what? I have to live with knowing I killed you. Drive safe, I do. I don't want your death on my conscience. I have a enough shit going on thanks. I drive a truck and trailer that is 35 feet long and I still wouldn't have been in your lane.
Thanks for the comment. Yes sadly there are a number of riders who think the rules don't apply to them but they are in the minority. Just as good drivers are in the majority for motorists. Whenever you are on the road be it walking, riding or driving you always have to be alert. Everyone has the responsibility to use the road safely and with consideration for others.
@Hortgeek That may be true, but then on a daily basis I see drivers flouting the rules of the road just as badly. Who kills and injures hundreds of thousands of people a year on the roads in the UK then? It's drivers who do that, not cyclists. Cyclists wouldn't even be measurable in that statistic.
pfffffft
greatergreen 3 hours ago
I never understood this: if there is a narrow cycle lane, are cyclists obliged to stick to it and not the wider car lanes?
12tod 6 hours ago
@12tod
Regardless of the width of the cycle lane cyclists are not required by law to use it at all. Highway Code Rules 61 and 63 state that use of cycle lanes is not compulsory. If it were and riders got injured because they were not allowed to take avoiding action, just think of the law suits that would be going on all the time. Motorists on the other hand are not allowed to enter optional cycle lanes (with broken lines) if a cyclist is there or mandatory cycle lanes (solid line) at all.
kmcyc 5 hours ago
lol i love the people saying its your fault, keep that camera rolling man you never know whats going to happen and theres no arguing with video proof
ryansatmcc 7 hours ago
@ryansatmcc
It's sad to know there are that many people in possession of driving licences who've commented on this video suggesting that the driver was even the slightest bit blameless. In fact, it's rather worrying don't you think? The camera is always on when I'm riding, just as you say, you never know what might happen or when you might need video evidence.
kmcyc 5 hours ago
if you are not sufficiently competent a cyclist to ride in a perfectly adequate cycle lane then stop cycling.
lsbrother 15 hours ago
@lsbrother
That "perfectly adequate cycle lane" has the paint worn out from all the drivers who cut the corner. It is therefore not a safe place to ride, as demonstrated by this video. Perhaps if you are not "sufficiently competent" a driver you should surrender your driving licence? Remember, cyclists are not compelled to use cycle lanes (Highway Code 61 & 63). Drivers are required to drive with due care and attention. 3 feet is the recommended passing distance, not the width of a white line.
kmcyc 9 hours ago
@lsbrother Oi oi oi oi oi......... what ARE you on about!? Clearly this man is doing his best to cycle when he could very easily drive, and in a totally legal and competent manner, not hugging the kerb (which is asking to be hit). Could you please explain your somewhat bizarre point?
Rabbitbunvoo 4 hours ago
At least she apologized, how many drivers out there would have opened their window or got out of the car and yelled "GET OUT OF THE WAY YOU FUCKING CUNT".
MikeIllusion92 19 hours ago
@MikeIllusion92
Yes she apologised but only because she knew she couldn't drive away from me, even though she tried. Despite being very angry with her, I wasn't going to let my anger have the better of me and say something which I'd later regret. You've only got one chance to get your point across and I wasn't going to waste it. Hopefully she learned something about exercising patience and driving safely from that experience.
kmcyc 9 hours ago
I'd have told you seriously where to go!!! Who the hell are you?! No way would I take damage form another car just to avoid a cyclist. You weren't even in the cycle lane properly!
Darwinion 1 day ago
@Darwinion
There was no need to risk damage to your car. If you were in this driver's place, you could have simply slowed down, let the other car go and passed me at a safe distance. The only compulsory thing with cycle lanes is not to drive in them. Cyclists don't have to use them but drivers should give at least 3 feet of room when passing cyclists.
kmcyc 9 hours ago
Peugeot vs Renault, guess they love french cars over there
RonSpeirs101th 1 day ago
good response mate
1RebelDog1 1 day ago
@1RebelDog1
Thanks.
kmcyc 9 hours ago
She wa more interested in getting one over the other driver than the cyclist.
baubaleena 1 day ago
@baubaleena
Yep. She really wasn't interested in me at all - until she hit me that is.
kmcyc 9 hours ago
Woman driver was thinking, "middle pedal? I only have left and right pedal..."
dan10024 1 day ago
I know the bike lane is poor and not practical to ride in, but you are just inviting trouble riding like that. Even get in the bike lane or occupy the car lane. That sort of inbetween position is just begging for close passes.
myforwik 1 day ago
@myforwik
This is true. I'd become complacent here but this incident reminded me not to let my guard down. Since that moment I've stayed away from the cycle lane there. The corner is habitually cut by drivers to the point where the paint is wearing out. Riding next to the cycle lane, all drivers since this accident have kept their distance from me and I pass through in safety.
kmcyc 1 day ago
I would've smacked her mirror off.
getrdone52 2 days ago
@getrdone52
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
kmcyc 1 day ago 2
@kmcyc My doctor said I shouldn't bottle up my emotions :)
getrdone52 1 day ago
stupid fat ignorant bitch
beamprimary 2 days ago
as a cyclist, i was nearly run over by a women, reversing her car, while talking on a mobile phone. it amazes me sometimes how some people actually pass a driving test. you can be the most safest cyclist in the world, but you will allways get the odd idiot driver, who doesnt give 2 hoots about the cyclist. hope you were ok though
reallovesearchers 2 days ago
@reallovesearchers
That's an unpleasant experience you had, sounds like you had a lucky escape as did I here. The contact was not enough to have me off the bike and so I escaped injury thankfully! It is true though, you have to consider that not all drivers conduct themselves well and there are those who have little regard for the safety of others. Hopefully this incident reminded this driver how quickly things can change if you're prepared to take risks on the road.
kmcyc 1 day ago
It wasn't me...it was you...but I'm so f. boiling inside...
lucaseq77 2 days ago
@lucaseq77
Thanks for saying so. Yes I was furious at the time too. However I wasn't going to give that driver the slightest impression that they could somehow excuse their actions by taking my anger out on them or their car. Far better to speak sense to them in the hopes they learn how to drive safely in future.
kmcyc 1 day ago
Odd looking toaster
bobofucknuckle 3 days ago
Odd looking toaster
bobofucknuckle 3 days ago
Is your camera mounted on the right side of your handlebar?
andyb112358 3 days ago
@andyb112358
The camera is mounted on my helmet.
kmcyc 1 day ago
I would of took her wing mirror off.
EinkOLED 3 days ago
@EinkOLED
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
kmcyc 1 day ago
Thats when you smash there mirror as you go by
BryceShuster 3 days ago
@BryceShuster
Two wrongs do not make a right. Criminal damage is not an appropriate response, even if the driver nearly killed you. Stay calm, control your temper and you get a better response. Take revenge and you only provide the driver with the mis-guided justification to drive dangerously the next time they meet a cyclist on the road.
kmcyc 1 day ago
I love london but the congestion is horrific, no wonder people are going mad.
loslogo 4 days ago
@loslogo
Traffic can be very busy that's true but like anywhere else, if you leave enough time for your journey that shouldn't be a problem. Of course in London we also enjoy a great public transport network so you're not compelled to take your car everywhere you go. Although, in the rush hour the trains, buses and tubes can become as congested as the roads, which is why I choose the bike. It takes no longer than the train and is by far quicker than the car.
kmcyc 1 day ago
another stupid driver refusing to merge with traffic sensibly .... has to beat the outside car ...just stupid!.
123kasabian 6 days ago
@123kasabian
This is a poorly designed section of road. Waiting at the lights immediately before there are two lanes. For a very short section these become one wide lane and then back to two again. The RH lane becomes the right turn only lane. These two drivers had some sort of get together and were so involved that neither of them could give way to the other. I still blame the woman who hit me though as she had the best view of me and the opportunity to avoid the accident. Only she didn't.
kmcyc 5 days ago
@kmcyc you are right to blame the woman driver....no excuse for it.
123kasabian 5 days ago
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shame she didnt run you over, one less non-road-tax paying cyclist about :)
mjp1511 6 days ago
@mjp1511
Oh I do like the smiley face on your comment. That's about all I like though. Please search other comments on this video for some useful information on the non-existent-road-tax. You might just learn that it was replaced by Vehicle Excise Duty and that I too pay that tax - at the higher rate as I own a Band K car. Although, I am considering trading it in for a Band A car, which is exempt just like cyclists are, only so I can leave replies that say I own a car but still pay no road tax!
kmcyc 5 days ago 2
@mjp1511 shame she didnt? are you kidding? she was driving recklessly with disregard to others safety, the uploader COULD have been killed if she steered a little more to the left, or badly injured at the least, and if this didnt happen she could have had an accident with the other car involved, common sense helps in this case, i suggest you use some before posting next time
kpsnnf 3 days ago
@mjp1511 Shame people like you can't be shot and used for fuel.
setra23 1 day ago
That's why I always cycle on the path, it's alot safer for all concerned, there are too many maniacs on the road.
Drobium77 6 days ago
@Drobium77
Cycling on the path is illegal but I can understand why you might prefer it to the road. The thing to do is ride with confidence and you become much safer simply by not letting the fear of what might happen take hold. Have you considered Bikeability training?
kmcyc 5 days ago
@kmcyc I live in a small town so it's not so bad here, but I also ride a motorbike and it just seems natural for pushbikes to be on the path and motorbikes on the road, especially in suburbia where you hardly ever see anyone on the footpaths.
Also, I don't really ride often enough on pushbikes and it's bad enough for bikers that have all the prtective gear and who can keep up with the traffic.
I admire you guys, but I'm happier and safer on the path.
Drobium77 5 days ago
i got side swiped while a women was trying to turn left into a angle park gone off biking since then makes me too tired
apache1234657 1 week ago
@apache1234657
Sorry to hear that you got hit too. Shame it put you off cycling though. Understandable but still a shame...
kmcyc 5 days ago
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apache1234657 1 week ago
Be honest dude, you swerved out to avoid the drain cover, at which point she beeped a warning and managed to only hit you with her mirror, which folded back harmlessly like it's supposed to. She WAS cutting into your lane just a bit, or on the line anyway - but so were you. If in doubt, both brake levers...
bigglyguy 1 week ago
@bigglyguy
And drivers don't also steer around potholes? This is the reason why you are supposed to leave 3 feet when passing cyclists, to give them room to make small adjustments like this. She beeped because she panicked. She knew it was too late to avoid hitting me. Yes I was lucky it was only her mirror but there is no such thing as a harmless accident. When you hit someone from behind, you are entirely to blame. You can see them they may not be able to see you. She should have braked.
kmcyc 5 days ago
@kmcyc Spoken like a true cyclist instead of a driver. As a driver the very first thing your'e taught is "mirror, signal, move". You don't even have any mirrors on that bike let alone use them, do you? It's a fallacy that the driver behind is always at fault; if you swerve out of your lane into theirs then YOU are at fault. The earlier part of the vid shows you clearly over the line in the car lane, you go back to the cycle lane - then suddenly swerve out again. You have no lane discipline.
bigglyguy 3 days ago
@bigglyguy
If I have no lane discipline, then neither does she. After all, we were both in the cycle lane when the collision occurred. "Spoken like a true cyclist instead of a driver" that's insightful. Ok, so when I drive my car I leave at least 3 feet when passing cyclists, knowing full well that they may need to move around to avoid potholes etc. When I ride my motorbike, I do the same. And no, it is not a "fallacy", when you hit from behind you're at fault if you cannot follow safely.
kmcyc 1 day ago
I usually find an excuse to blame the cyclist, but that woman is a typical woman driver, mirrors all facing her.
joecooper18 1 week ago
@joecooper18
You realise that her mirror is turned that way after she hit my handlebar with it don't you?
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc
I really respect the way you handled that, no sense flipping out making things get out of hand. Good on you, stay safe.
TKO52286 1 week ago
@TKO52286
Thank you. Despite being very angry at being hit I knew there was nothing to gain by taking it out on the driver who hit me. You only get one chance to get your point across and I wasn't prepared to let this one drive away thinking they were in their 'right' to drive so recklessly. Hopefully she has a lasting positive memory of this incident and doesn't take the same chance when there are cyclists on the road with her.
kmcyc 5 days ago
@TKO52286 You too man
dogwafter 5 days ago
pay road tax like the rest of us
dogwafter 1 week ago
@dogwafter
What's this? Payment of a tax entitles you to run people over if they don't use engines?
OK, here it is again: Road Tax was abolished by Sir Winston Churchill in 1937 precisely because of this false entitlement. I pay Vehicle Excise Duty because I own a Band K car so pay more "road tax" than most car owners. I choose to cycle because it's the quickest way for me to get to work. What I expect, regardless of my choice of travel, is safe passage on the public roads.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc 'Payment of a tax entitles you to run people over'
Exactly
dogwafter 1 week ago
@dogwafter
Hmm, so speaks the elephant in the room. By quoting what was said to them.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc i just don't understand why certain cyclists have such a militant attitude towards any others who do not ride bicycles. Learn to tolerate others.
dogwafter 1 week ago
@dogwafter
Possibly some riders might feel that way but there's little to be gained with that attitude. Don't forget that like most cyclists I also drive, you can't have it both ways. However, what becomes clear when you ride is that small mistakes by either party can have significant consequences for the rider. When I spoke to her, I tolerated her pathetic excuse for the reckless driving which lead to her hitting my bike with her car. Any closer and I would have been going to hospital.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc I am a motorcyclist, so I know how dangerous things can be and how quick things can happen. "Possibly some riders might feel that way but there's little to be gained with that attitude." I totally agree.
dogwafter 1 week ago
@dogwafter
Well thanks for writing back, it's good to know we're of the same opinion after all. Stay safe mate!
kmcyc 5 days ago
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dhrider4895 1 week ago
if in doubt middle pedal.... stupid cagers
bates2099 1 week ago
Ive got a dashcam and the shit the cycles do in london is terrible. overtake on left and right and even both at the same time... On Weekends they go round in big posseys. up to 20 of them blocking the whole road, cycling next to each other so no one can overtake, Knocking on car roofs if they are unhappy with how they drive!!
Its goes both ways and cycles need to be a little more considerate of the car users..
ant10011001 1 week ago
@ant10011001
The only part of your comment that makes any sense are the words "more considerate", which really should have been phrased in a sentence that goes along the lines of "drivers and cyclists need to be a little more considerate of each other". Both have equal rights on the roads and equal rights to use the road safely. Yes there are riders who take silly risks but by the same token, there are drivers who also take silly risks. Yet drivers are more likely to kill than be killed.
kmcyc 1 week ago
the other car pushed her over.. oh and yea get in the bike lane more
jcolcord5 1 week ago
@jcolcord5
If there was no room for the two cars side-by-side in this single lane road, she should have backed off and let them pass, not try to block them. Concentrating more on staying ahead of them she forgot to watch the road ahead of her and so she caused the accident. As for "get in the bike lane more" I avoid the lane completely now. Riding beside it, drivers give me more room and so am able to pass through with improved safety.
kmcyc 1 week ago
I would hit her in the face or kick in a dent in the car door... at least yell at her, call her a cunt or a bitch.
marek112675 1 week ago
@marek112675
What good would that do? Two wrongs do not make a right and violence toward her or her car is enough to have you arrested and any wrong-doings on her part would not be taken seriously by the police. That attitude only breeds bad feelings from motorists towards cyclists and that driver may later take her anger out on another innocent cyclist. Consider the longer term consequences of your actions please! Stay calm, you'll get a better end result.
kmcyc 1 week ago
Maybe if you were actually in the cycle line she wouldn't have hit you
supers54 1 week ago
@supers54
Maybe if she hadn't driven into the cycle lane she wouldn't have hit me. Are you another that believes the thickness of a white line is safety margin enough? Never heard that you should leave 3 feet when passing another? Particularly if that other is a cyclist? So, drivers cross into that cycle lane so often the paint is wearing out. Result: I ride next to the cycle lane these days and drivers ensure they leave me plenty of space and don't cut that corner while I'm there.
kmcyc 1 week ago
Why is her left side mirror folded in? WTF?
distortion041 1 week ago
@distortion041
Her mirror folded in when it hit my handlebar. I'm thankful that mirrors fold, otherwise I would never have kept control of the bike.
kmcyc 1 week ago
stupid woman drivers
gtino195 1 week ago
See the white line? You're supposed to be left of that. In the BIKE lane. The driver never left his lane, you are obviously at fault.
NuclearD420 1 week ago
@NuclearD420
Now, you really are making stuff up. "The driver never left his lane". Two things: 1. yes the driver left their lane as they entered the cycle lane and 2. the driver was a 'she'. Your observations skills are therefore somewhat dubious if you failed to note these two rather obvious facts. Anyone who hits another from behind is at fault, either following too close or not paying attention or both.
kmcyc 1 week ago
tosspot, stay off the road, giving bloody advice, I'd have told you to f**k off
badgern100 1 week ago
@badgern100
That's nice. Still though, as I'd have your car, number plate and by talking to you, your face and abusive language captured on video, it would be a simple matter to hand that footage over to the police, now wouldn't it? Show a little more consideration, you'll avoid accidents and end up having a better day.
kmcyc 1 week ago
I like that saying "if in doubt,middle pedal, ok!?" That is a badass saying that is good job :)
MrPcgamer93 1 week ago
@MrPcgamer93
Thanks! Much appreciated!
kmcyc 1 week ago
The twats who are giving the cyclist in this clip a hard time are probably the same people who drive cars and think they shouldn't have to pay speeding fines and parking fines - claiming they are an extra tax on motorists.
Sometimes you wonder how stupid people can be, then you find out they can be very stupid indeed.
churchmike 1 week ago
@churchmike The guy in the video wasn't even in the bike lane! How can you defend him? The driver couldn't veer out of the way because she had traffic to the right while this asshole cyclist had a bike lane and a sidewalk
NuclearD420 1 week ago
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Inimbrium 1 week ago
@NuclearD420 At the moment he was hit he WAS in the bike lane, and so was the car that hit him, watch again! But before he wasn't, probably because the problem with bike lanes is that they frequently have storm drains that aren't up at the same level as the road and they need to be avoided because they are dangerous and very slippery, so sometimes cyclists temporarily go in the other lanes. It is illegal to cycle on pavements with no cycle lane in them. They call them footpaths for a reason.
Inimbrium 1 week ago
@Inimbrium
Thanks for pointing out the critical piece that somehow was missed - the fact that the collision occurred in the bike lane! And of course the fact that cycling on the footpath - not that there is much of one there - is illegal.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@NuclearD420 By using the words "asshole" and "sidewalk", I deduce you are American. The USA, the land where the car is king. So, no bias there then ...
churchmike 1 week ago
@churchmike I have to agree with the yank, the bike lane is there for a reason, if he was fully in the bike lane he wouldn't have been hit.
However, ultimately the driver was unable to deal with an unusual situation safely, hopefully both of them will learn a lesson from this, but I doubt it.
JustOneQuestion 1 week ago
@JustOneQuestion
Are you serious? You believe that the thickness of a white line is protection enough? You should leave 3 feet when passing a car or a cyclist. You should not drive in a cycle lane. Had both these rules been adhered to, this video would not exist. The driver caused the "unusual situation" by concentrating on blocking another rather than paying attention to what was ahead. I hope she did learn, I certainly did. I learned not to use this cycle lane at all, it's too dangerous.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc I think you may have misunderstood my coment, I agree with you she was in the wrong for not braking, that was her inability to handle being sandwiched like that properly. but as a biker you've got to plan on things like that to happening and riding in the centre of the bike lane (where most drivers expect a biker to be) is a great way to minimise risk to yourself, especially in this example since it would have avoided the accident completely.
JustOneQuestion 1 week ago
@JustOneQuestion
I got what you were saying, apart from being in centre of the bike lane. Bike lanes are often installed without any consultation from cyclists, who are then expected to use them. This bike lane has the paint worn out by so many drivers cutting the corner, which contributed to this lady driving into me. As a result I avoid using the lane altogether. This makes me more visible as I'm more in the driver's view while at the same time providing space to move left if needed.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc Yea I realise some bike lanes aren't very intelligently designed, but if there is a bike in the lane drivers make an effort to stay out of the lane, even in this situation she barely entered the bike lane and that has to be one of the worst cases with two cars side by side.
You may be more visible to drivers but this instance illustrates that sometimes it just doesn't matter. The safest place is always going to be in the bike lane out of the path of traffic.
JustOneQuestion 1 week ago
@JustOneQuestion
I don't know if you ride or not but I have to say that with 16 years of cycling experience, 8000 miles cycled per year into Central London and back daily for the last 7 years I know that keeping left isn't the safest option. This video shows precisely that. Drivers habitually cut the corner of the cycle lane where the collision happened so much that the paint is faded and worn. Cycle tyres won't have done that. Keep right and you have space to avoid those who come too close.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc I do ride, not as much as you, I respect your experience but I disagree with your interpritation of this video. the idea of being more visible to drivers and being able to move left is a good idea in theory, but in this video you didn't exactly do a good job of getting out the way, I think this is simply because you can't have eyes in the back of your head, but I'm curious as to why you think you were unable to get out of the way.
JustOneQuestion 1 week ago
@JustOneQuestion
That's a fair question. I'd become complacent and allowed my familiarity with this road to lull me into a false sense that licensed drivers would drive sensibly when approaching a cyclist in particular! I knew nothing of the approaching danger because I hadn't checked behind, so didn't know to move or react at all. At least that's one good thing to come from this, I'll always remember to check behind here and be sure to avoid that cycle lane where the corner is cut especially!
kmcyc 5 days ago
@kmcyc Yea definitely never rely on drivers acting sensibly, while most do, it only takes one. I think I still believe you're safest in the bike lane though, I have never had any problems spotting bikers who ride in the lanes because they're still very much in your field of view.
I think instead of being in the road and checking behind to see if you need to move left, you'd be better off being left all the time, the cars in the video which did cut the corner didn't do so by much really.
JustOneQuestion 2 days ago
@JustOneQuestion
Sadly it doesn't take much to have an accident. That's pretty much what happened in this video TBH. And since I've stopped using this cycle lane, drivers have all left me plenty of room. The shoulder-checks help in that respect too as both of us know that I know the driver is there. Sounds daft maybe but that also seems to have a calming effect on those following me. Staying left on encourages drivers to come closer and leaves no space to escape to if you need it.
kmcyc 1 day ago
@NuclearD420
Are we talking about the same video? You don't see the car enter the cycle lane where it hits me? The driver didn't "veer out of the way" because she was so intent on blocking another, while on a single lane road I'll point out, that she failed to see me. All she had to do was back off, let that driver pass if they were the aggressor or not attempt to undertake them if it were her that started it. Then she would have had plenty of time and space to avoid causing an accident.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@NuclearD420 So if there isn't a bike lane, the cyclist shouldn't be on the road at all? The bottom line is this: that driver just got angry that she was about to lose her place in the queue and didn't think about the cyclist at all. Whether there's a bike lane or not, cyclists are on the road (and have a right to be). As responsible drivers, we should take care to avoid killing them (as we have to avoid killing pedestrians who cross the road at a crossing).
churchmike 1 week ago
@churchmike
Thanks for the comment and observations on the additional costs drivers incur when they flout the rules. Avoiding those extra expenses is really easy and makes the roads safer and more pleasant to use for everyone else.
kmcyc 1 week ago
nobody owns the road and everybody should pay more attention of what's happening around them.. in this case i believe it was the driver's fault because the cyclist was in front of her..
no matter if the bike was exactly in the cycle lane.. who's fault would be if there was a small child standind with one foot on the sidewalk and one foot on the road and a car hits the child..? think again guys, i would blame for sure the car..
Nikost1987 1 week ago
@Nikost1987
Thanks for the comment and observations. Everyone has a responsibility to use the road safely and the example you give of a child running in the road is a clear one that reinforces that point! If you run into the back of someone, its your fault, either following too closely or not paying attention or both. Road raging as she was with the other driver contributed to this incident too as can be seen how she carried on blocking them after hitting me.
kmcyc 1 week ago
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Nikost1987 1 week ago
DIDN'T HIT YOU HARD ENOUGH YOU TWAT!
woolcroft 1 week ago
@woolcroft Errrm?
door2doorman 1 week ago
Get in the bike lane.
SaintDapiea 1 week ago 4
@SaintDapiea aye you see the drain cover he was avoiding, if he was in the cycle lane then swerved to avoid the drain you can get hit because your unpredidctable.
theamazinbagman 1 week ago
@SaintDapiea
I was in the bike lane. That's how I got hit. When the driver also joined me in the bike lane. Do you really think bike lanes make cycling any safer? Motorists are compelled not to drive in them yet they do. Cyclists are not compelled to ride in them and this one, I avoid completely since this moment and have had no problems with drivers trying to smash me off my bike at all. Instead they all leave plenty of room, just as this woman should have done that morning.
kmcyc 1 week ago
This has been flagged as spam show
Respond to this video... The guy's voice just demands a 'You Slag!' after each sentence. xD
The505Guys 1 week ago
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The505Guys 1 week ago
you should as her for a blowjob as a compensatio0n hahaahah
soton000 1 week ago
I do believe that these videos - while often being able to point out actively inconsiderate and spiteful driving towards cyclists - also have the ability to overexaggerate honest driving mistakes that even the most experienced driver driver makes, making the driver in question look bad. I won't argue, that was poor driving, but your tone of voice and choice of words was inconsiderate in that case, when the driver openly apologised to you. You have to give *some* people the benefit of the doubt.
SQUIZZLER24 1 week ago
@SQUIZZLER24
This wasn't an "honest driving mistake" it was road rage. She was trying her best to block the other driver and failed to notice me until it was too late. As for my tone and what I said, remember I've narrowly avoided leaving the scene in an ambulance. Had she been any closer when she hit me I would have been on the floor, possibly run over as well. I didn't threaten nor did I swear or shout. She should have braked and driven responsibly. What would you have said to her?
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc Perhaps I just see it differently, I don't know. I don't live in London, in fact, I don't live in a highly populated area at all, so can't claim to know how bad road rage/fighting is in such places, but if I did encounter that situation, from what she said and in the way she said it, I would have taken that as a moment of lost sense. As for your words, the "braking advice" seemed to be incredibly patronising and shouting "what's all this then?", very provocative.
SQUIZZLER24 1 week ago
@SQUIZZLER24
Well, given we were on a single lane road and she was side by side with another car, that would indicate some pretty bad driving. Use of the brakes there would have been a good idea. Instead you can see as the road becomes two lanes again, she is still attempting to block the other driver. As for my opening comment, you'll note it took two attempts to get her to stop and apologise. Otherwise she would have left the scene of an accident altogether, which is illegal.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@SQUIZZLER24
Instead of losing my temper with someone who has just hit me I remained calm and spoke rationally. Lets not forget I was on my bike and so narrowly escaped injury. Why is it that when drivers overtake other cars they leave 2-3 feet gap yet when they overtake another human who just happens NOT to be sitting inside a metal safety cage, they feel it's ok to pass within inches? Her initial aggression towards me by hitting me with her car was pretty provocative IMO.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc It just looks to me that these videos on youtube seek to completely demonise these single drivers as hell-bent road ragers who drive like their car is on fire, when really, very few people actually can claim that they either know these people personally, or their driving sense on a regular basis, only on chance encounter. I agree with you whole-heartedly, don't get me wrong. Driving like this is inconsiderate and dangerous, but don't be so quick to tar everyone with the same brush.
SQUIZZLER24 1 week ago
@SQUIZZLER24
Cycling 30 miles a day to and from Central London, I encounter a lot of motorists. The vast majority of which are perfectly fine. Do they all see bikes? I don't know if they do but at least they drive sensibly enough not to cause problems to other road users, bikes included. Sure a momentary lapse of concentration can lead to an incident but when a bike is involved, no matter who is at fault, the rider will come off worse. These videos highlight what can happen from a rider's POV.
kmcyc 1 week ago
Got it all wrong. If in doubt flat out !!! not middle pedal
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rob123474 1 week ago
fuck cyclists
riddlydiddly1 2 weeks ago
@riddlydiddly1 although it is funny to see cars fighting to get ahead to sit in a traffic jam
riddlydiddly1 2 weeks ago
Cyclists think they own the road. They have a responsibility too.
NickPwnsUTube 2 weeks ago
@NickPwnsUTube No, it's drivers who think they own the public highway, and so often refuse to share it with cyclists and horse riders as they are legally obliged to.
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
@CyclingMikey Admittedly, yes. Some drivers are reckless and 100% opposed to cyclists. I however, feel that if a cyclist is responsible enough and follows the rules of the road, then they can use the road too. But there are too many who do not. The amount of times I have seen a cyclist go through a red light, or swerve out in front of a car without looking is ridiculous. Bright green jacket and helmet? Wear them. If a cyclist is wearing all-black, at 2am, and gets hit. Who's fault is it really?
NickPwnsUTube 2 weeks ago
@NickPwnsUTube Sure, but everyone tends to focus on the bad cyclists, and then forgets and excuses the elephant in the room, being all the bad drivers. They're a similar proportion to good drivers, as bad cyclists:good cyclists, since we're all the same humans.
Remember also that that elephant in the room is killing and injuring hundreds of thousands of people per year in the UK. Cyclists don't do that, plus most cyclists are also drivers.
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
@CyclingMikey I think you (from a cyclist's perspective) and I (from a drivers perspective) have a similar view here. As much as we focus on the bad cyclists, you too, focus on the bad drivers. It's just how society works these days. 2% ruin it for the 98%.
NickPwnsUTube 2 weeks ago
@NickPwnsUTube I hate to tell you this, but no, like most of the camera users I don't only focus on bad drivers, but on all bad road users. You'll note I have quite a few contributions to the Silly Cyclists series here on YouTube. You might enjoy it, btw, there's some amazing stuff on there.
Like most cyclists, I'm also a driver and a pedestrian. I also don't like driving in central London traffic, well rather waiting in the queues.
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
@NickPwnsUTube
I see you've had a good debate with @CyclingMikey. As Mikey says, most of us are really looking out for unsafe road users, who could endanger themselves or others. Doesn't matter if they ride or drive, everyone has a responsibility to use the road safely. Of course, inexperience can be a factor and I've posted videos "Filtering Is Not Compulsory..." in the hope that riders may learn from them. Although I think impatience rather than experience was this driver's issue.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago 3
@kmcyc she should have cut you
misterbateman808 1 week ago
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@kmcyc
Of what I see she was on the bike lane limit and you was on the bike lane limit ... So no one was in fault... Just ride in the middle and don't try to take more space than your suppose to have . The little white line on the road is not a path to follow ! It's the limit between bike lane and car lane.... Camera on your helmet don't give you the right to do anything ! Just ride in the bike lane and not on the limit there will be no problem... Learn to ride before crying on youtube.
dhrider4895 1 week ago
@dhrider4895
You wouldn't be another one who thinks the white line is sufficient safety margin would you? Why is it they say to give 3 feet when passing? Drivers leave that space when passing another driver, yet believe inches are fine when passing a cyclist, who doesn't have the safety cage surrounding them. Accidents don't happen they're caused and where there's cause there's blame. You cannot hit someone from behind without taking that blame. I don't use that bike lane at all now it's safer.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@kmcyc
always same answer.... well done robot ! hahaha.. I am a bike rider too, and mister, you are all we give us a bad name. Thank you very much to don't make difference between some who pass you near you and someone who tried to get out of a situation with an other car... Of what I see she wasn't at 3 feet of the other car and she doesn't enter the bike lane ... Just fucking ride in the middle like everyone else and things like that, wont append.
dhrider4895 1 week ago
@NickPwnsUTube im sorry, but he was riding in the cycle lane. he was as responsible as he could be and yet the driver moved into the cycle lane and hit him. So cyclists think they own the road?
lukewill783 1 week ago
know what if you knocked on my window i would have told you to fuck off and get your dirty hands off
dublinairportplanes 2 weeks ago
what a surprise a stupid fat WOMEN behind the wheel
bigjr535 2 weeks ago
To be fair the cyclist did drift out of the cycle lane so take some of the blame
SuperSpartan3000 2 weeks ago
@SuperSpartan3000
Hmm, so I guess you feel that the thickness of a white line is plenty of safety margin? How come everyone else here managed to leave the recommended 3 feet, yet this driver was so involved in a road rage with another motorist they hit me while I was in the cycle lane? Given that the paint has been worn out by the number of drivers who drift into it, I no longer use this cycle lane at all, instead I ride 2-3 feet to the right of it and am left plenty of space.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc The white lines seem perfectly fine to me, it was the pot hole which you went round caused you to have an altercation with the driver and yes I agree the driver was in dispute with another motorist which they were both at fault for
SuperSpartan3000 2 weeks ago
@SuperSpartan3000
"The white lines seem perfectly fine to me" this implies that you are quite comfortable driving dangerously close to cyclists. Three feet is the recommended safe passing distance to leave, a good example of why is for when it is necessary to ride around pot holes. Oh, goodness me, isn't that what we see in this video? A cyclist avoiding a pothole getting hit by a driver who drives too close to cyclists?
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
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@kmcyc Like most people who post things or make comments on youtube they see things only in back and white,"The white lines seem perfectly fine to me" does not imply that I am quite comfortable driving dangerously close to cyclists, you should take some responsibility. You at that time chose to swerve round the pot hole without checking behind you on a busy road and before you say it YES the WOMAN was at FAULT as well in fact both cars were.
SuperSpartan3000 2 weeks ago
@SuperSpartan3000
Well thank you for clearing that up. I guess I misinterpreted your comment then. Given the fact that this is a single lane road with a cycle lane and everyone else was able to give plenty of space I was surprised to find one who was more concerned with their road rage episode than with looking out for what was in front of them. My lasting reaction to this has been to avoid using the cycle lane here. Riding further from the kerb I am easier to see and as a result safer.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc Unfortunately too many road users use the road incorrectly weather they be motorists, bikers, cyclists or pedestrians.
SuperSpartan3000 2 weeks ago
@SuperSpartan3000
Very true. The thing is, if their incorrect road use involves a bike then then regardless of whether it is the rider or another at fault, it will be the one on the bike who ends up paying a higher price and possibly even the ultimate price for that mistake.
kmcyc 1 week ago
@DmechNorth
Two wrongs do not make a right. Tempting as it may be to retaliate if you commit criminal damage in response to being hit by a driver, that will only weaken your case if the police are involved. It may also provide the driver with some mis-guided justification for continuing to drive dangerously near cyclists.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
Cyclists expect everyone to be alert for them, and fair enough, but it is hard to care about 'cyclists rights' when on a daily basis I see them break the rules of the road and put themselves in danger. If I hit you because you are being an asshole, guess what? I have to live with knowing I killed you. Drive safe, I do. I don't want your death on my conscience. I have a enough shit going on thanks. I drive a truck and trailer that is 35 feet long and I still wouldn't have been in your lane.
Hortgeek 2 weeks ago
@Hortgeek Don't generalise all cyclists with those idiots that break the law and don't know how to cycle properly. Kthx.
Cerebz2011 2 weeks ago
@Cerebz2011 Re-read the post Kthx
Hortgeek 2 weeks ago
@Hortgeek "Cyclists Expect..." - Generalisation. kthx
Cerebz2011 2 weeks ago
@Cerebz2011 Half my sentence. ....'and fair enough' Kthx
Question - do you or do you not expect motorists to be alert for you?
Go split hairs somewhere else. If you are worried about generalizations, see the poster here who said it was because of 'typical women'
Hortgeek 2 weeks ago
@Hortgeek
Thanks for the comment. Yes sadly there are a number of riders who think the rules don't apply to them but they are in the minority. Just as good drivers are in the majority for motorists. Whenever you are on the road be it walking, riding or driving you always have to be alert. Everyone has the responsibility to use the road safely and with consideration for others.
kmcyc 2 weeks ago
@kmcyc Yessir!
Hortgeek 2 weeks ago
@Hortgeek That may be true, but then on a daily basis I see drivers flouting the rules of the road just as badly. Who kills and injures hundreds of thousands of people a year on the roads in the UK then? It's drivers who do that, not cyclists. Cyclists wouldn't even be measurable in that statistic.
CyclingMikey 2 weeks ago
@CyclingMikey Yes and I avoid them too. I am trying to keep myself alive first, then you. Simple. If everybody did that there would be no issue.
Hortgeek 2 weeks ago
typical woman they all think they own the road
hawkertruffelsnout 2 weeks ago
this guy sounds like the guy off little Britain who plays the flute all the time
frazeb12 2 weeks ago