Also, I think there were multiple reasons why she shot Andy Warhol but the triggering one was that he didn't return her play manuscript back to her (and she was turned away from the Factory when she asked for it) and she suspected that he was going to steal her work. I don't condone what she did, but she was a pretty interesting person.
It's too bad Valerie didn't get around to writing more plays/articles before she died. She gets such a bad rap from her "SCUM Manifesto", but that's because people can't pick up on satire if it hit them in the face. The satirical devices were so blatant (like the 'penis envy'/'pussy envy' thing) - it was brilliant and was clearly not meant to be taken literally (she herself said so), but meant to make people think about some of the backward concepts society still had on gender.
@rammstein11004 He was indeed cheap (though in the 60's he didn't have much money himself), but as for exploiting people, that's impossible since he never tricked anybody into doing anything nor promised anything he didn't deliver. Tales of exploitation mainly result from the fact that the underground dwellers he associated with were often in bad places, usually involving drugs and mental instabilities. I guess that lead people to make a shortcut deduction that life with Andy = downhill.
@xXPinkGoddessXx Hello, and thank you. I have factory girl on dvd also, Andy Warhol superstar lol. I saw him a few times in person when I was in college working as a doorman on Park Ave. He passed by several times. I said hello to him lol. This was in the early 80's. I have his book from A-Z but its hard to read does the book make any sense? I thought if I read it I would become a real cool guy. I seemed to have wasted my money.
@rammstein11004 Oh wow, that is very cool about you passing him by! What brief impression did you make of him? I have read his book (I think you mean A-B?) and I liked it a lot (except for the very tedious phone monologues). It definitely isn't a serious read and only enjoyable if you appreciate Andy's tongue in cheek humour, which I understand some may not. That aside though, I did find myself agreeing with pretty much everything he wrote. I don't know which of us that says more about, lol.
it's amazing that she had more talent in her pinky finger than warhol had over his entire misogynistic life. Too bad it's still the same way in this society. We continue to have male idiots ruling life and culture in all spheres. The only women given half a chance are those who act like dildo men.
@UngodlyGodbags oh yes because some idiot who wrote a manifesto rife with factual errors and demonstrable lies has much more talent one of the leaders of the pop art movement. Please pull your head out of your ass and stop worshiping someone who attempted murdering an innocent person.
Valerie's thinking when the hell am i getting paid, He's actting like he is Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice, meanwhile, paul and Andry probably sat up all night on pharmacutical speed, and thought this up. Already exhasusted such great compelling conceptual themes like, um a man sleeping, a man eatting, OH, and the orginal avant garde provacative notion of Drag queens and transexuals portraying women, Dear God, Andy u had the creative gift that kept giving LOL i liked women in revolt though lol
Thanks for posting this, very interesting footage, especially since I just watched "I Shot Andy Warhol" again for about the eighth or ninth time last night. Warhol's and his factory were fascinating, as was much of his persona and his art work. Solanas was an interesting albeit eccentric woman. I do not think she would have wanted to be viewed as a victim of male oppression, although she partially was. I am still not quite sure what to make of her, although she was indeed a fascinating woman.
I love Andy Warhol, he is a pop/fashion icon <3 I love the "I Shot Andy Warhol" Movie, it was very good. Valerie was a weird person, but I love her mental madness
Beacuse, Andy's Art is for those with even a slight twist in the Mind...the times were war just like now and with all entertainment it's Focus to what amuses us..you should check out 'I shot Andy Warhol"
"I can't find anything to like about Andy Warhol. Business as mystique - that's all I can see."
Andy basically invented the concept of human artwork. He allowed us to appreciate fascinating characters in their natural states, The Factory being like a human zoo full of exotic creatures, beautiful and wild. Andy had a marvellous talent for objectification. Maybe you have to be a little voyeuristic to appreciate that, but personally I find it fascinating.
PinkGoddess - I want to worship you but... I think you're overstating Warhol's inventiveness - Oscar Wilde: "One should be a work of art or wear a work of art."
And what of the innumerable women who, with attention to this or that detail, have presented themselves with full regard to aesthetics. Then there's the 19th century dandies, and Baudelaire etc., not to mention the unemployed hercules' of 1848.
Warhol was, in my view, a marketing person. Nothing more.
I hardly think a self-made visual object is comparable to a person who makes others such, don't you agree? The former type usually just creates an image without any intention of doing so or becoming anything in particular, whereas Warhol, unlike any other artist, purposefully chose to create human art in a blatant, mechanical manner.
If Warhol was purely a marketing person, I certainly think he would have made work that was actually marketable. Especially with his films, he seemed to strive for tediousness. He loved to further the image of himself as a businessman more than he really was one, just like he purposely appeared unintelligent. I think he did this to create a mystique about himself, because compared to the beautiful freaks he hung out with, he was a fairly normal guy. Whatever the intention he certainly succeeded.
I think most of Warhol's work was extremely marketable - this is why he enjoyed success from the 50s onwards and became very wealthy. Most commodity producing artists also produce (manufacture?) a mantle of mystique.
I favour a separation of art from object i.e.commodification (see Baudelaire on dandies, also Nietzsche's The Gay Science and some Foucault - not to mention Solanas!) and I favour art forms that are not dependent on artists (e.g. dance).
Its easier to call someone mentally ill it stops people from taking what they say seriously. I think she was fully aware of herself and others, too aware.
She was convicted of the offence (not 'excused' on the grounds of diminished responsibility). Reliable biographical information is quite difficult to find - can't find anything re psychiatric treatment prior to her imprisonment and nothing definite for the later period (of course, this doesn't mean that it didn't happen). Any details anyone?
Nobody really knows what she was up to between the time she left college and the time she appeared around the factory. You seem a little bit skeptical HowWoird, but to be honest, almost anyone who goes from almost completing a masters degree in psychology to panhandling & prostituting themselves w/o any addictions pretty much qualifies as suffering from mental illness if they say so. At least in my book.
Bitch is crazy
z0mgz0rs 5 months ago
Also, I think there were multiple reasons why she shot Andy Warhol but the triggering one was that he didn't return her play manuscript back to her (and she was turned away from the Factory when she asked for it) and she suspected that he was going to steal her work. I don't condone what she did, but she was a pretty interesting person.
Candlejackify 8 months ago
It's too bad Valerie didn't get around to writing more plays/articles before she died. She gets such a bad rap from her "SCUM Manifesto", but that's because people can't pick up on satire if it hit them in the face. The satirical devices were so blatant (like the 'penis envy'/'pussy envy' thing) - it was brilliant and was clearly not meant to be taken literally (she herself said so), but meant to make people think about some of the backward concepts society still had on gender.
Candlejackify 8 months ago
She's hilarious!
dvinedzine 9 months ago
Solanis had spunk....
I like spunk
AppreciateMuch 1 year ago
wanna go beat my meat
pumpybeanis 1 year ago
@pumpybeanis my brother used to say that all the time (from the 70's on).....i guess she made the phrase famous??
rosskstar 5 days ago
YESTERDAY IS HERE.
AnIntangibleBadge 1 year ago
who are you anyway you sound like a very intelligent person are you someone famous or just like the rest of us here on zoo tube.
rammstein11004 1 year ago
@rammstein11004 LOL no, unfortunately you are wrong on both counts. But thanks for assuming!
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
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@rammstein11004 can't wim em all but then again you wouldn't want to.
rammstein11004 1 year ago
they say andy was a cheap bastard that exploited people and got what he deserved is that true.
rammstein11004 1 year ago
@rammstein11004 He was indeed cheap (though in the 60's he didn't have much money himself), but as for exploiting people, that's impossible since he never tricked anybody into doing anything nor promised anything he didn't deliver. Tales of exploitation mainly result from the fact that the underground dwellers he associated with were often in bad places, usually involving drugs and mental instabilities. I guess that lead people to make a shortcut deduction that life with Andy = downhill.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
@xXPinkGoddessXx Hello, and thank you. I have factory girl on dvd also, Andy Warhol superstar lol. I saw him a few times in person when I was in college working as a doorman on Park Ave. He passed by several times. I said hello to him lol. This was in the early 80's. I have his book from A-Z but its hard to read does the book make any sense? I thought if I read it I would become a real cool guy. I seemed to have wasted my money.
rammstein11004 1 year ago
@rammstein11004 Oh wow, that is very cool about you passing him by! What brief impression did you make of him? I have read his book (I think you mean A-B?) and I liked it a lot (except for the very tedious phone monologues). It definitely isn't a serious read and only enjoyable if you appreciate Andy's tongue in cheek humour, which I understand some may not. That aside though, I did find myself agreeing with pretty much everything he wrote. I don't know which of us that says more about, lol.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
it's amazing that she had more talent in her pinky finger than warhol had over his entire misogynistic life. Too bad it's still the same way in this society. We continue to have male idiots ruling life and culture in all spheres. The only women given half a chance are those who act like dildo men.
UngodlyGodbags 1 year ago
@UngodlyGodbags Warhol a misogynist? Care to explain that one? He was probably one of the most open-minded people I've ever read about.
xXPinkGoddessXx 1 year ago
@UngodlyGodbags hahahaha
johnnyreality 1 year ago
@UngodlyGodbags oh yes because some idiot who wrote a manifesto rife with factual errors and demonstrable lies has much more talent one of the leaders of the pop art movement. Please pull your head out of your ass and stop worshiping someone who attempted murdering an innocent person.
sunset261 1 year ago
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salsburysteakjr 1 year ago
Yhis woman is a true feminist. i support her
Ironandtheshizzelz 1 year ago
Valerie's thinking when the hell am i getting paid, He's actting like he is Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice, meanwhile, paul and Andry probably sat up all night on pharmacutical speed, and thought this up. Already exhasusted such great compelling conceptual themes like, um a man sleeping, a man eatting, OH, and the orginal avant garde provacative notion of Drag queens and transexuals portraying women, Dear God, Andy u had the creative gift that kept giving LOL i liked women in revolt though lol
romeisburningnow 1 year ago 2
Thanks for posting this, very interesting footage, especially since I just watched "I Shot Andy Warhol" again for about the eighth or ninth time last night. Warhol's and his factory were fascinating, as was much of his persona and his art work. Solanas was an interesting albeit eccentric woman. I do not think she would have wanted to be viewed as a victim of male oppression, although she partially was. I am still not quite sure what to make of her, although she was indeed a fascinating woman.
Frownland81 1 year ago
I have to admit that Valerie is making me laugh in this scene.
liepinshtein 1 year ago
whore.
rgmatos2 1 year ago
i think its pretty safe to assume she was molested and abused by her stepfather.
Evil begats evil.
benhameen06 1 year ago 2
that woman shot warhol a couple months later.
benhameen06 1 year ago
Always wanted to see the real one, thanks for sharing!
barkingtree88 2 years ago
Has anyone noticed that Tom moves onto a more mentally unstable woman each time? I wonder if that was intentional on Andy's part.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 years ago
WOW!!!..Valerie Solanas' voice sounds actually like Lili Taylor's voice who played her in I Shot Andy Warhol...such an awesome movie that was
1991ladarius 2 years ago 8
Yeah Lili taylor did a A Great JoB, just caught the movie on tv the other day..ever though I do own the movie LOL Weird
Miapink12 2 years ago 3
Valerie's voice is great I love her
circethesorceress 2 years ago
I love Andy Warhol, he is a pop/fashion icon <3 I love the "I Shot Andy Warhol" Movie, it was very good. Valerie was a weird person, but I love her mental madness
BLACKESTANGEL 2 years ago 2
I can't find anything to like about Andy Warhol. Business as mystique - that's all I can see.
howwoird 2 years ago
That's something.
Miapink12 2 years ago
But why like it (or even love it)?
howwoird 2 years ago
Beacuse, Andy's Art is for those with even a slight twist in the Mind...the times were war just like now and with all entertainment it's Focus to what amuses us..you should check out 'I shot Andy Warhol"
Miapink12 2 years ago
"I can't find anything to like about Andy Warhol. Business as mystique - that's all I can see."
Andy basically invented the concept of human artwork. He allowed us to appreciate fascinating characters in their natural states, The Factory being like a human zoo full of exotic creatures, beautiful and wild. Andy had a marvellous talent for objectification. Maybe you have to be a little voyeuristic to appreciate that, but personally I find it fascinating.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 years ago 2
PinkGoddess - I want to worship you but... I think you're overstating Warhol's inventiveness - Oscar Wilde: "One should be a work of art or wear a work of art."
And what of the innumerable women who, with attention to this or that detail, have presented themselves with full regard to aesthetics. Then there's the 19th century dandies, and Baudelaire etc., not to mention the unemployed hercules' of 1848.
Warhol was, in my view, a marketing person. Nothing more.
howwoird 2 years ago 2
I hardly think a self-made visual object is comparable to a person who makes others such, don't you agree? The former type usually just creates an image without any intention of doing so or becoming anything in particular, whereas Warhol, unlike any other artist, purposefully chose to create human art in a blatant, mechanical manner.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 years ago
If Warhol was purely a marketing person, I certainly think he would have made work that was actually marketable. Especially with his films, he seemed to strive for tediousness. He loved to further the image of himself as a businessman more than he really was one, just like he purposely appeared unintelligent. I think he did this to create a mystique about himself, because compared to the beautiful freaks he hung out with, he was a fairly normal guy. Whatever the intention he certainly succeeded.
xXPinkGoddessXx 2 years ago
Not sure what you mean by 'human art'.
I think most of Warhol's work was extremely marketable - this is why he enjoyed success from the 50s onwards and became very wealthy. Most commodity producing artists also produce (manufacture?) a mantle of mystique.
I favour a separation of art from object i.e.commodification (see Baudelaire on dandies, also Nietzsche's The Gay Science and some Foucault - not to mention Solanas!) and I favour art forms that are not dependent on artists (e.g. dance).
howwoird 2 years ago
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transworId 1 year ago
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vickypae 2 years ago
Its easier to call someone mentally ill it stops people from taking what they say seriously. I think she was fully aware of herself and others, too aware.
I love her and her "madness"
vickypae 2 years ago
She was an incredibly funny and highly intelligent individual. Too bad she was molested and mentally troubled.
MINOTAURESEPT 2 years ago 2
She seems to be amusing and sharp. Someone (below) comments on her being 'so damaged', not sure about that.
howwoird 2 years ago
Yeah she's all of that, but I mean she's got to be "so damaged" if she tried to kill Andy Warhol ya know. Plus she was in a psycho ward before.
Miapink12 2 years ago
She was convicted of the offence (not 'excused' on the grounds of diminished responsibility). Reliable biographical information is quite difficult to find - can't find anything re psychiatric treatment prior to her imprisonment and nothing definite for the later period (of course, this doesn't mean that it didn't happen). Any details anyone?
Also, has anyone seen/read her play Up Your Ass?
howwoird 2 years ago
Nobody really knows what she was up to between the time she left college and the time she appeared around the factory. You seem a little bit skeptical HowWoird, but to be honest, almost anyone who goes from almost completing a masters degree in psychology to panhandling & prostituting themselves w/o any addictions pretty much qualifies as suffering from mental illness if they say so. At least in my book.
MINOTAURESEPT 2 years ago 5
do many women dig squishy asses on men?
rocknrollphilip 3 years ago
Depends, How squishy? But no Not really lol hehehe
Miapink12 3 years ago
i think valerie comes across as very funny and intelligent, ity is a shame she was so damaged.
xoffender74 3 years ago 3
wow! mrs. taylor did a wonderful job... nailed it, even down to the way the real valerie says "ass". check out "i shot andy warhol". this is great
rhearay22 3 years ago
wow. she's as weird as they said. kinda funny tho. tom baker must be soo grateful he wasn't lorena bobbitted by her....
great upload, mia, always wanted to see this scene
desertshore 3 years ago 2
This is the single person in the whole world I'm most afraid of, even though she's dead.
fetpipan77 3 years ago
scared cause she was cabable of killing?
Miapink12 3 years ago
no no, everyone is that. I read her SCUM-Manifesto and I went into some sort of anxious confusion. It was beyond horrifying..
fetpipan77 3 years ago