the sad thing is that some of the participant in the cult, just want to do some good. but they dont understand the overall actions and behaviour of the entire cult. nor are they open to know. thats also why this is so dangerious.
but i wonder where scientolgist have learned their actions, and on what reality they are allowing their behaviour to continue. i belive that scientologist and alike, needs to be stopped and should be banned. like the officials want in france and germany. despite that one has the freedom of speech. we dont have the freedom to act however we want. therefor there is a lawbok in every country.
and the camera man says. he knows what he is doing. but he doesnt know why. then neither can he understand the affect or comprehend the konsekvenses of his actions. and to talk to a person like theese two is fairly impossible. unless they brake loose and starts to admit to their actions and reasons they do it for. which is not benefitial for both parties. only one.
what is the most scariest about this intervju is that one of the scientologist, that is interviewd here was also in a bbc intervju explaining that all the bbc reporter claimed, when he was screaming was correct. and looking at the face of the other scientologist and the words he chooses it is clear he has no bounderies and find nothing wrong in his behaviour. their sins knows no bounderies.
Lol, you know shit. You got garbage in your head from Scientology.
That you dont believe anything from unwitting outsider, yeah that i can understand. But here you got one of the faces of Scientology, and your so brainwashed you cant even think there might be any truth to his experiences.
Yeah the old numbers game,.. You realize they pull that off in every other cult too? Makes you people feel the organization is going the right way, it supposed to confirm how great the group is doing.
Ahh so you have signed up for the Sea Org, so how do you enjoy being used for slave labour ay? But i doubt you signed up for the Sea Org, you wouldnt be allowed to get even near a fucking computer with an internet connection.
Wow so even Mike Rinder got paid 50 dollars a week. Incredible. You would think a member with that rank gets loads of money. I mean he was just under David Miscavage for crying out loud.
Rinder needs forgiveness. Having said this, he did some less then wonderful things. There are individuals in $cientology that he needs to apologize to, if that is possible. Those of us out here, who have never been in the cult, need to listen to what he is telling us and not get into judgement and blame. He brings insight and is a valuable ally in the fight to bring down the dangerous cult. I commend him for leaving and coming forward.
Life's been a little hard on Rinder. He's been in the Church since his youth, and for a little screw-up, it turns its back on all his years of service.
I respect any former scientologist who frees his/herself and then speaks out against the church to protect others. Mike Rinder is a great dude, forget the past
mike rinder has nothing to lose by spilling the beans, so lets not get too nasty towards him. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. No doubt hes having problems with scifis goons. He really doesnt need uncalled for anger from us on youtube. What he has done is monumental.
Fuck of Rinder. You're still a brainwashed moron that wants to start an 'independent' $cientology believing it actually works! Heck, people have the right to believe in what they want. But when it is simply a money grabbing, family destroying, wife beating CULT, there has to be a limit. I'm glad Rinder is getting fair gamed by those freaks, after all he ruined many ex-$cilons lives. Go use your OT powers and top yourself you c@nt. Same with Marty, you're all still corrupt, just not as bad as DM
That's a really good point by Today Tonight -- if Rinder was such a scumbag (acc'g to the cult) why would they hire him? I wish an interviewer would ask Tom Cruise if he's seen Shelly Miscavige recently; surely he would know what's up with his BFF's wife? Wouldn't hurt to ask Katie Holmes, either: or at least she should ask herself where Shelly is. Why couldn't Miscavige make Katie disappear as well?
If Rinder was stripped of his duty in 2002 as those docs from the CO$ says, then how was he right beside Tommy Davis in 2007 in the first Panorama show? OOOPS, CO$, ya messed up with that one...lol. They can never keep their lies straight which is a common occurrence with CO$. They forget what is known and just throw out whatever lie they think sounds good at the time.
@P660925 deserved his family? has the diet of rice and beans in the desert done something to your comment writing skills? how are you OSA agent? did you mean to say DESERTED his own family? I think you did. But given the recent news that everyone has with pretty boy Tommy Davis being recorded on the record about disconnection, everyone is well aware what really goes on!. nice try though p660925 :D
Attorney Gur Finkelstein, who represents the Scientology Center in Israel, was detained several weeks ago for allegedly hiring [a] gang to supply him with weapons and assist him in his own endeavors...A string of high-profile crimes have been attributed to Finkelstein, include attempts to burn down the Scientology Center, and also the assault and plot to assassinate the director of Tel Aviv's planning and construction department, Shoteh Hovel.
I commend u Mr, Mike Rinder!! U show great courage to walk out on ur family and that sham of cult!! Ur sacrafice will never wont go unoticed, i, we all appriciate for speaking the truth about $cientology, and welcome back to the real world and thank u so so very much!
Their unaturally close!! Hhmm sounds like that david and tom ole boy r goin down on each other with days of thunder on the big screen!! Fuckin fags inside each other inside a cult!! Ofcourse u hasnt seen that senerio
The problem is not the guy's in the organization hitting each other,it is the humiliation tactic of doing it in front of others like the female in the video.This tactic has become very common and has found it's way to the street level.The CO.S. didn't invent it but are using it as a control tool and assaults are all to common when C.O.S. staffers and public are in an area.
All the scientology videos on youtube have several thousand views but just a handful of comments. Why? Because they only allow comments they approve. They must sift through a shit storm every day to try find the deluded nuggets of approval to put up.
This cult ruined my life. Imagine having zero privacy, imagine all of your rights to lie being removed, imagine beyond that because that is just the beginning., Imagine women speaking down to you constantly and continuously your whole life for the rest of your life in front of others. Mothers if you let you son fall into this trap you are condeming them to a life of sadness/depression especially in the US.
As much as Rinder knows about Scientology. He needs to come out and speak some more. WHat does he know about Lisa McPherson. Now! Tell us. Tell us some more.
How many coerced $cientology confessions (auditing interviews) have been divulged to the public when it would best serve the cult that these secrets should come out? Proof positive, these goons don't want to help you but want to have dirt with which to bribe you later.
No matter what Mike has done in the past, the fact of the matter is he escaped a cult and he is now speaking against them. Telling him to bugger off is like telling a person to go back into an abusive relationship.
misanthropes leading religions,cults,leaders of fashist or comunist regimes is not a novelty and they often did (still do) surround themself with "like minded" people.
In this case , what I fail to understand is how many actors/actresses who are usually known for their independent thinking have been duped into this cult....
That's because they are not treated like other members of Scientology.
Celebreties are their "front", so they take good care of them and treat them well.
So it's perhaps not so strange celebs themselves thinks Scientology is a good thing, since they get a "special" treatment of it so they can talk well about the brainwashing cult.
@AtlasRedux They is also evidence that Co$ takes special precautions and procedures to ensure that celebrity members of the organization are never exposed or told of the truth of what really goes on.
a lot of the abuse and scandals are hidden from the scientologists that are really famous and successfull.. guys like tom cruise and travolta and will smith don't have the same problems with scientology other normal people do, just because its really a benifit just for celebrities like that to have their names attached to the cult.. so they don't need to suck all of their money off. they are taken care off very well so they don't want to leave the cult.
Scientology stands on weak legs. It's only a matter of time before someone comes, and kicks those legs from under this despicable "religion".
If there are any Scientologists reading this, please get out of Scientology now before it is too late. Your self is not without your blood family and success in life isn't necessary to be someone or help thousands of unfortunate people.
Don't let this fiction doctrine take hold of your mind. It is a massive fraud!
Good for Mike Rinder; at the very least, he's come to his senses and left, and no longer has to take the abuse of such a shady organization, much less David Miscavige himself.
Can ANY $cientologist please explain how that goomba changed the second dynamic from sex and family to creativity? Sounds like the high crime of squirreling with Hubbards tech.
Yes, I went as far as to say that the writings of a third rate pulp fiction writer and his 40s lie detector are tech...
How close is he to Tom Cruise? "unnaturally extrememly close" LOL! That`s always been my theory, that Miscavige is Toms BF which is why Cruise supports it so much. When people bash Scientology they are bashing his "wife" which is why he gets pissed.
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can't stand this reporter,you can tell he is just doing it for the money.he doesn,t give shit about the truth.so sad the a news reporter need to put down religion to make himself famous.........SO SAD.
@c0810543030 They have been doing the "religion" scam for a long time now (all the way back to LRH days). After trying the "self-help" psychology track for a while (& receiving much heat from Psychology associations), he figured out that he could make a lot more money with the tax-exempt thing. Also part of the reason for changing the name from Dianetics.
Rinder didn't even say anything that meant anything, because he has nothing to say. what did he actually say? At the end of the show it's like, what? who? when? POINTLESS JOURNALISM. Deep down he knows he has f****d up. count the moments of silence between the question and his answers. Yeah, STUMPED. Rinder is full of shit.
@Nopatienceanymore - He said that David Miscavige is violent, comulsive and evil. Does that mean anything to you? And are you a Scientologist by any chance? Just wondering.
@jdtrickster4 - It means nothing to me because I know he is lying. It has been proven that he is a liar. He has a vested interested along with his bum chum Marty Rathbun who just got arrested the other week for drunk and disorderly. Ha - real "authorities" on Scientology aren't they.
Rinder deserves a medal for getting out an tellin the truth. Lord knows he does not sleep at night considering they have his family....so karma is being tended to..
Mike Rinder speaks with no evidence or proof. Though I am not a Scientologist, I am tired of all this controversy-stirring "news" which has no real impact on society. It bothers me that seemingly credible news entities such as "today tonight" give undue weight to such stories, when the "witness" himself admits to hitting other people, and claims that other people do it too, again, with no proof. I would think for myself and not jump on the religious hatred bandwagon.
@sharpedge62 Ah..yes, I'm tired of these "victimized" clowns such as Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder going on TV just because they were left disgruntled by their religion. Someone give me proof. Right now it's all hearsay - it's his word against Scientology's. I am not a Scientologist either - just an individual thinker.
@twistedchurros18 Um twisted, it's rather obvious that you and sharpedge are in fact one and the same. Why are you pretending to agree with sharp when sharp is you?
TYPICAL $cientology dishonesty and incompetence. Nah, you're not a $cientologist. Geez dude, next time make it a little less obvious that you're a liar.
@sharpedge62 Yea sure your not a Scientologist, you've favorited all their garbage videos. Another attempt at Scientology discrediting or stifling critics. What a surprise that twistedchurros18 also has the same favorites. They must think people are as stupid as they'd like to believe. Go favorite some more Scientology propaganda you fucking bots.
@sharpedge62 Tommy Davis and the ex-wives themselves acknowledged that abuse was within the church. They disagreed with Rinder and Rathbun over whom was responsible -- but inadvertently they admitted that something is horribly wrong at Gold.
Scientology = "International Psychological Power Brokerage Inc." and making this fact legally binding would inevitably make them accountable to the IRS.. kinda reminds me of Al Capone vs Eliot Ness and we all knew who won that battle...lol :) ~
Rinder has been interviewed by John Sweeney, the BBC most definitely do want to go there again. The Panorama crew were not intimidated by the Cult's insistance on harassing anybody and everybody who gets in the way. At the moment it's awaiting the usual legal wrangling.
Also, has anybody seen the quality of the average written responses from Scientologists here?
Ron's Tech really works! Honest! Don't look behind the curtain...
ratings ratings ratings!!!... lol Today Tonight I think are doing this purely for exposure something that the (cult-ure) within Scientology would inevitably utilize against this current affairs show. A good example would be how the scientologists wounded up John Sweeney from the BBC.
I like seeing all these ex-members speaking out. Hopefully the ones sucked into LRon's scam will notice. Thousands and thousands of people can't all be lying! lol
I heard scientology helped cure Tom Cruise of a learning disability and also helped him to live out his potential into a great career and a great family life and social life too. Psychs or professors or priests didn't but Scientology did!
What could it do for you?
Take a free test and find out. There's many things happening and many ways to get involved.
AHh......Finally the truth about the lies. The lies about the truth come out. I felt they were lying when they said it was the truth but the truth about the lies was just too much. Now finally, the truth speaks badly of the lies. Of course the lies deny the truth and truth speaks boldly to expose the lies. We were told it was lies. Then we were told I was lying about that. Then those trying to tell the truth were called liers. But now we know the truth tellers were really liers.
I wonder which Scientologist planted the rumor that one of the biggest google search personalities(Bieber) was joining the Cult Of Scientology JUST AS this story/report was about to be aired? Hmmm....
@deptsd $cientology helps people lose their assets, their families, their friends, their sanity, their critical thinking abilities and, sometimes, their very lives.
Mike and the rest of these guys need to "speak out" about the sheer ridiculousness of the whole concept of Scientology in general or they are nothing more than someone looking to cash in on the money brought into the cult in the way of selling books and courses. OT powers only exist inside the cult's money-grubbing pyramid scheme as a carrot dangling in front of gullible frightened rabbits. Come on Mike....tell the REAL truths about Scientology...EVERYTHING about it is a lie and a scam.
We know for a fact that Mike Rinder has lied to the world about Scientology. The only question is, as Brian asked him, was he lying then or is he lying now? Either way, what does it say about an organization claiming to be a church that a known liar was their spokesperson for years?
Interesting how the church claims that ALL the high level $cientologists that helped run the cult for many, many years and are speaking out now have been "known, violent criminals" for years. LOL
What happened to the days of real journalism??? All this sounds really plausible...but, reall, how hard is it to find an ex-member of anything, one who left on bad terms, to say bad stuff about the company they used to represent? Not very hard at all. While it's interesting, the story isn't credible. Check out the reporter, too...he hates scientology for some reason. When that gets boring, look out Jehovas, Excl Bretherens, etc...you guys will be next.
Not true at all. This is about 'abuse' and it is the same stuff that happened in the Catholic Church and we would hear about it for years. It is the "consistent" testimony that keeps popping up, from people who have left over the years. They all tell the same story. That DM is out of control and is violent. They are not attacking 'the church' as much as they are attacking the person who is running it.
@kungfumel75 Try over 1100 ex-members who have left and spoken out about the abuses they suffered while in this nefarious organization. I find them very credible.
I've "checked out" the reporter. He's done a fantastic job in his reports on the cult, and $cientology always comes across as a creepy, bullying, duplicitous crime syndicate.
Mike Rinder speaks with no evidence or proof. Though I am not a Scientologist, I am tired of all this controversy-stirring "news" which has no real impact on society. It bothers me that seemingly credible news entities such as "today tonight" give undue weight to such stories, when the "witness" himself admits to hitting other people, and claims that other people do it too, again, with no proof. I would think for myself and not jump on the religious hatred bandwagon.
@cultssuck ...again, why not 'find out for yourself'. It's a novel idea, but alas, it seems people are content to make their minds up on a broad subject from a few interviews. I could make Mother Theresa look sinister with sweeping close-ups of her eyes, twisted camera shots and some ominous music...in fact, for a laff, I may do just that to prove my point.
@kungfumel75 Yeah good luck making MT look "sinister", as if how one appears on camera has anything to do with anything. Show me documents or witnesses that say MT covered up child molestation, coerced women to have abortions, ran a slave labor camp, fair gamed critics, destroyed families with a disconection policy and charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn the basic tenents of her religion and we'll talk.
@kungfumel75 -This has nothing to do with "looks." It has to do with "deeds." You can't separate Scientology, the subject from Scientology, the organization for one simple reason: You must "study" & "apply" the subject IN the organization & abide by the org's policies, etc.
So even if I DIDN'T think Scientology was quackery & a money scam, it's still used as such by said organization or as I like to call it these days, David Miscavige's $cientology crime syndicate. The pl are good but duped.
@kungfumel75 You need look no further than the church's contradictory statements in response to the accusations. Last year Tommy Davis accused Marty Rathbun of beating Rinder. This year Rinder's ex-wife, speaking on behalf of the church, says she never saw signs of beating.
The church says it discharged Rinder in 2002 for malfeasance, yet there he is in 2004 speaking at the IAS event.
Don't worry about the journalism. Worry about the church's changing story.
@EpicSwordGuy@EpicSwordGuy I hear ya...my point is: don't believe what you see in the media. Their job is to 'persuade', it's not journalism. If you believe it, you've been tricked (remember the WMDs? That's an). I'm a Scientologist, I've never experienced anything like this. I go with what I see and know, not what tabloids tell me. Most people I know that oppose Scn have never done it and couldn't even define the word. They've been tricked if you ask me...and they call us brainwashed.
@kungfumel75 Don't believe what you see in the media. Does that mean I shouldn't believe the official responses from Tommy Davis and the ex-wives of Rinder, Rathbun and DeVocht as given on CNN?
So you need to "do" Scn before you can oppose it? Do you need to "do" Catholicism to be opposed to the sex abuse by Catholic priests, and the church's subsequent cover-up?
@EpicSwordGuy ...yeah, don't believe Davis or the others either. They're only people giving you their own opinions. If you're really that interested in the subject then find out for yourself if Scn is a crock or not. Same with Catholism, aside from media rhetoric about priests and abuse, if you really want. But, if you still don't like Scn, no skin off my nose. I made up my own mind abt it so I'll keep doing it. Cheers.
Scientology systematically robs a person of his ability to question things. In Scientology, they tell you, "If it's true for you, then it's true," resulting in objective reality becoming sort of fuzzy as it is based on whatever you believe. Over time, your beliefs are systematically supplanted with the beliefs that they instill in you through training drills.
In essence, Scientology's pseudo-philosophy is that 2+2 = whatever you want it to be.
the sad thing is that some of the participant in the cult, just want to do some good. but they dont understand the overall actions and behaviour of the entire cult. nor are they open to know. thats also why this is so dangerious.
choice69able 1 day ago
but i wonder where scientolgist have learned their actions, and on what reality they are allowing their behaviour to continue. i belive that scientologist and alike, needs to be stopped and should be banned. like the officials want in france and germany. despite that one has the freedom of speech. we dont have the freedom to act however we want. therefor there is a lawbok in every country.
choice69able 1 day ago
and the camera man says. he knows what he is doing. but he doesnt know why. then neither can he understand the affect or comprehend the konsekvenses of his actions. and to talk to a person like theese two is fairly impossible. unless they brake loose and starts to admit to their actions and reasons they do it for. which is not benefitial for both parties. only one.
choice69able 1 day ago
what is the most scariest about this intervju is that one of the scientologist, that is interviewd here was also in a bbc intervju explaining that all the bbc reporter claimed, when he was screaming was correct. and looking at the face of the other scientologist and the words he chooses it is clear he has no bounderies and find nothing wrong in his behaviour. their sins knows no bounderies.
choice69able 1 day ago
Truth is, politics, with all the dirt and grime, is most probably part of all organized religions.
bubbyeater 1 week ago
pause the video at 5:51
BrandonBLG 1 week ago
This is disgusting. "Unlike the Pope who shares with his believers a belief in divine providence..." Garbage.
ZachRose88 3 weeks ago
watch
jason beghe hamburg court
2Xyousee 4 weeks ago
why is "fear and brutality to rule" different than the Pope??????
rmutt4 1 month ago
GARBAGE ...GARBAGE...GARBAGE...ONLY GARBAGE...STUPID VIDEO!
LucianoPiz 1 month ago
@LucianoPiz
Lol, you know shit. You got garbage in your head from Scientology.
That you dont believe anything from unwitting outsider, yeah that i can understand. But here you got one of the faces of Scientology, and your so brainwashed you cant even think there might be any truth to his experiences.
Why dont you sign up for the Sea Org, i dare you!
Kaandorpius 1 month ago
@Kaandorpius WE ARE EXPANDING AND EXPANDING AND EXPANDING MORE THAN EVER IN SPITE OF BARKING DOGS LIKE YOU .
AND WHEN I SIGN FOR SEA ORG YOU WERE IN THE BALLS OF YOUR FATHER ..STUPID CHILD !
LucianoPiz 1 month ago
@LucianoPiz
Yeah the old numbers game,.. You realize they pull that off in every other cult too? Makes you people feel the organization is going the right way, it supposed to confirm how great the group is doing.
Ahh so you have signed up for the Sea Org, so how do you enjoy being used for slave labour ay? But i doubt you signed up for the Sea Org, you wouldnt be allowed to get even near a fucking computer with an internet connection.
Your either stupid, or a liar, maybe both.
Kaandorpius 1 month ago
unnaturally extremely close? meaning tom and david are lovers
cbarrett34 1 month ago
@cbarrett34
Unaturally because Tom is a good guy, and is nothing like David Miscavige.
Kaandorpius 1 month ago
it's a pyramid scam
cbarrett34 1 month ago
Wow so even Mike Rinder got paid 50 dollars a week. Incredible. You would think a member with that rank gets loads of money. I mean he was just under David Miscavage for crying out loud.
CaramelHoteI 1 month ago
I would like to see Daniel Craig play Miscavage in a version of the downfall of Scientology
linear23 1 month ago
Its alright, anonymous will take these guys down
ScrumpyJack1234 1 month ago
Rinder needs forgiveness. Having said this, he did some less then wonderful things. There are individuals in $cientology that he needs to apologize to, if that is possible. Those of us out here, who have never been in the cult, need to listen to what he is telling us and not get into judgement and blame. He brings insight and is a valuable ally in the fight to bring down the dangerous cult. I commend him for leaving and coming forward.
netjryt 1 month ago
Life's been a little hard on Rinder. He's been in the Church since his youth, and for a little screw-up, it turns its back on all his years of service.
bubbyeater 1 month ago
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I respect any former scientologist who frees his/herself and then speaks out against the church to protect others. Mike Rinder is a great dude, forget the past
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robotfreshpies 1 month ago
mike rinder has nothing to lose by spilling the beans, so lets not get too nasty towards him. Give the guy the benefit of the doubt. No doubt hes having problems with scifis goons. He really doesnt need uncalled for anger from us on youtube. What he has done is monumental.
TheBobbsey 1 month ago
L. Ron wishes he could spend Tom Cruise's money. HAHA. Tommy Davis belongs in a prison for the criminally insane,right next to Slappy Miscarraige.
bumcheek7 2 months ago 2
Fuck of Rinder. You're still a brainwashed moron that wants to start an 'independent' $cientology believing it actually works! Heck, people have the right to believe in what they want. But when it is simply a money grabbing, family destroying, wife beating CULT, there has to be a limit. I'm glad Rinder is getting fair gamed by those freaks, after all he ruined many ex-$cilons lives. Go use your OT powers and top yourself you c@nt. Same with Marty, you're all still corrupt, just not as bad as DM
managerhex 3 months ago
That's a really good point by Today Tonight -- if Rinder was such a scumbag (acc'g to the cult) why would they hire him? I wish an interviewer would ask Tom Cruise if he's seen Shelly Miscavige recently; surely he would know what's up with his BFF's wife? Wouldn't hurt to ask Katie Holmes, either: or at least she should ask herself where Shelly is. Why couldn't Miscavige make Katie disappear as well?
309temporary 4 months ago
@309temporary What happened to the THE LITTLE SMALL MAN AKA "Slappy" or known by his Sheep MISCAVIGE's wife?????Thanks
mattdaddyful 4 months ago
miscabage is a criminal. he will be investagated for sure. he cannot run away. unless he commits suicide like ron.
seank62 4 months ago
@seank62 Or gets murdered, like his predecessor.
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Acharmye 4 months ago
Go Rinder Go................
MrTheEvilgerman 5 months ago
i wonder if Scientology has a HR dept...LOL.....
onefugowie 5 months ago
If Rinder was stripped of his duty in 2002 as those docs from the CO$ says, then how was he right beside Tommy Davis in 2007 in the first Panorama show? OOOPS, CO$, ya messed up with that one...lol. They can never keep their lies straight which is a common occurrence with CO$. They forget what is known and just throw out whatever lie they think sounds good at the time.
imnotlookinganyway 5 months ago
Why didnt someone who wanted to get out just beat the shit out of Miscavige, just pound him and then walk out!
Allanlegacy43 6 months ago
How come MR. Rinder deserved his own family, including a son with cancer, AFTER leaving the church?
P660925 6 months ago
@P660925 deserved his family? has the diet of rice and beans in the desert done something to your comment writing skills? how are you OSA agent? did you mean to say DESERTED his own family? I think you did. But given the recent news that everyone has with pretty boy Tommy Davis being recorded on the record about disconnection, everyone is well aware what really goes on!. nice try though p660925 :D
nbrado 5 months ago
I want to say thank you to all the countries that have banned scientology.
UnitedEuropa 6 months ago
Attorney Gur Finkelstein, who represents the Scientology Center in Israel, was detained several weeks ago for allegedly hiring [a] gang to supply him with weapons and assist him in his own endeavors...A string of high-profile crimes have been attributed to Finkelstein, include attempts to burn down the Scientology Center, and also the assault and plot to assassinate the director of Tel Aviv's planning and construction department, Shoteh Hovel.
jnycnuk 6 months ago
I commend u Mr, Mike Rinder!! U show great courage to walk out on ur family and that sham of cult!! Ur sacrafice will never wont go unoticed, i, we all appriciate for speaking the truth about $cientology, and welcome back to the real world and thank u so so very much!
myownruin187 7 months ago
Their unaturally close!! Hhmm sounds like that david and tom ole boy r goin down on each other with days of thunder on the big screen!! Fuckin fags inside each other inside a cult!! Ofcourse u hasnt seen that senerio
Play out!! Lol
myownruin187 7 months ago
Sounds like David mc scabage got aDHD :\
MrFox1231 7 months ago
3:04 "I know what I'm doing, but I don't know why."
Brilliant.
HellRehab 7 months ago
The complaint was made to the FBI who have started investigating Miscavige .
gombis666 7 months ago
The problem is not the guy's in the organization hitting each other,it is the humiliation tactic of doing it in front of others like the female in the video.This tactic has become very common and has found it's way to the street level.The CO.S. didn't invent it but are using it as a control tool and assaults are all to common when C.O.S. staffers and public are in an area.
sCIAntology101 7 months ago
Again...I get kicked out of youtube after watching this....yeah, a religion.
isabellehebert 8 months ago
Creepy Cult.
markymark7717 8 months ago
i love that the newscaster so easily said "cult." lol bullseye, man. they have been trying to package this as some kind of religious persecution.
somebodyjones2 8 months ago
Dave is like a Dr Evil or an enemy of 007 - he likes playing that kind of role in real life
DhunamiCE 8 months ago
"How close is he to Tom Cruise?" "Unnaturally Close." I knew Tom and Dave were gay for each other
cmau14 8 months ago
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Scientology ? No one cares.. next topic
madass21 8 months ago
All the scientology videos on youtube have several thousand views but just a handful of comments. Why? Because they only allow comments they approve. They must sift through a shit storm every day to try find the deluded nuggets of approval to put up.
twistplank 9 months ago 2
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why do people join this group? seriously!
LuvinLinkinPark16 9 months ago
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why do people join this group? seriously, wtf.
LuvinLinkinPark16 9 months ago
why do people join this group? seriously, the fuck.
LuvinLinkinPark16 9 months ago 3
This kind of ends any doubt about Scientology. He really drives the nails into the coffin.
MrUltraworld 9 months ago in playlist Scientology Bullshit
@DopeDethrone yeah but he still exposed them
youlittlerocket 10 months ago
This cult ruined my life. Imagine having zero privacy, imagine all of your rights to lie being removed, imagine beyond that because that is just the beginning., Imagine women speaking down to you constantly and continuously your whole life for the rest of your life in front of others. Mothers if you let you son fall into this trap you are condeming them to a life of sadness/depression especially in the US.
aironeous 10 months ago
Give Rinder a pat on the back for coming clean about such a dangerous cult, thier time is coming.
darred090 11 months ago
@darred090
He needs to go to the FBI or something though.
TheAsfaloth 10 months ago
Who chopped down the Cherry Tree?
LandingCraft1969 11 months ago
When is this cult going to be stopped?
ASDJFHVGADJHBDAVHBAV 11 months ago
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ASDJFHVGADJHBDAVHBAV 11 months ago
You can tell that Miss Cabbage is a psychopath; he's got the thousand-yard stare.
Aishiya1 1 year ago
As much as Rinder knows about Scientology. He needs to come out and speak some more. WHat does he know about Lisa McPherson. Now! Tell us. Tell us some more.
darkspecteranon 1 year ago
How many coerced $cientology confessions (auditing interviews) have been divulged to the public when it would best serve the cult that these secrets should come out? Proof positive, these goons don't want to help you but want to have dirt with which to bribe you later.
alexeykh 1 year ago
What's that weird thing that Davis does with his mouth and tongue when screaming?
MrBadguitar 1 year ago
David Miscavidge... I always want to say David Miscarriage.
ShhhhhItsasecret 1 year ago 2
Are Tom Cruise and David Miscavidge having sex together????
Anon7547 1 year ago 5
@Anon7547 I wouldn't be surprised.
felixn65 4 days ago
@Anon7547 I hope so
ClickChristopher 3 days ago
@Anon7547 that would be interesting if they were
GraceAnnHawkins 2 days ago
Hey, Mike - bugger off back to Scientology. It's where you belong. Stay away from decent people.
elsteviolee 1 year ago
@elsteviolee
No matter what Mike has done in the past, the fact of the matter is he escaped a cult and he is now speaking against them. Telling him to bugger off is like telling a person to go back into an abusive relationship.
FindTheBlue1 1 year ago 19
Unnaturally and extremely close? Hmmmmmmm.
TheKimdunn 1 year ago
"L. Ron Hubbard had developed a written procedure for driving people insane."
-Carl Sagan
draxys 1 year ago 4
3:00: "Well I know what I am but doing, but I don’t know why I am doing it..." Right on! LOL...
boi187 1 year ago
Maybe he wants to take over the leadership of the Scientology? If he says he still believes in it, maybe he has not burned all his bridges?
LRonScarface 1 year ago
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HarryBeLulzFonte 1 year ago
@HarryBeLulzFonte
They're too busy harassing wikileaks and file sharers...
thaibites 1 year ago 2
six $cientologists have watched this video so far...
WithCompany 1 year ago 5
This was the guy that David Miscavage (head of $cientology)used to physically beat up.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
What a dangerous, despicable cult.
ank2000 1 year ago
he only "came out" because he got fired, and isn't getting money anymore, so whatever he does it's all because of the money.
ggnub100 1 year ago
its a cult an a money scam end of story!
TheKurtChaney 1 year ago 58
Unnaturaly close, i always knew Cruse was stuck in the clsoet :(
Wtfgames 1 year ago
Meh..all I can say is this quote:
Yami Yugi (Yu Gi Oh the abridged series):
'Oh great, another brainwashing evil cult. That's what, 5 now?!'
ShiraHyo 1 year ago
I don't care if Rinder has left CoS. He is still a goon. I wouldn't trust him as far as I can spit.
Chopinsnocturnes 1 year ago 2
Makes my blood boil that they use the cross for their business logo
omcguigan 1 year ago
Can't wait for the day cruise or tavolta leave and they fuck them up with blackmail shit and lies as well, then the whole thing just explodes.
james9689 1 year ago
the man (David Miscavige) is a sociopath with violent tendencies. its just a matter of time before he kills someone in the name of CoS,
this is the same behavior that is exhibited by serial killers and rapists.
its about violent domination.
I AM OT99....FUCK XEBU....THEY MOCKED IT UP THEMSELVES!
zencat999 1 year ago
Two short little men with huge napoleon complexes.......hmmmm...gee I wonder why Dave and Tom are such good friends?
velveetaslingshot 1 year ago 2
misanthropes leading religions,cults,leaders of fashist or comunist regimes is not a novelty and they often did (still do) surround themself with "like minded" people.
In this case , what I fail to understand is how many actors/actresses who are usually known for their independent thinking have been duped into this cult....
tscholent 1 year ago
@tscholent
because most of them (not all) are incredibly shallow and naive.
zencat999 1 year ago
@tscholent
That's because they are not treated like other members of Scientology.
Celebreties are their "front", so they take good care of them and treat them well.
So it's perhaps not so strange celebs themselves thinks Scientology is a good thing, since they get a "special" treatment of it so they can talk well about the brainwashing cult.
AtlasRedux 1 year ago
@AtlasRedux They is also evidence that Co$ takes special precautions and procedures to ensure that celebrity members of the organization are never exposed or told of the truth of what really goes on.
Coffee1zCrack 1 year ago
a lot of the abuse and scandals are hidden from the scientologists that are really famous and successfull.. guys like tom cruise and travolta and will smith don't have the same problems with scientology other normal people do, just because its really a benifit just for celebrities like that to have their names attached to the cult.. so they don't need to suck all of their money off. they are taken care off very well so they don't want to leave the cult.
Frequent2001 1 year ago
Scientology stands on weak legs. It's only a matter of time before someone comes, and kicks those legs from under this despicable "religion".
If there are any Scientologists reading this, please get out of Scientology now before it is too late. Your self is not without your blood family and success in life isn't necessary to be someone or help thousands of unfortunate people.
Don't let this fiction doctrine take hold of your mind. It is a massive fraud!
LOLDISNEYLAND 1 year ago
Thank god we have anti-stalking laws here.
badnewswade 1 year ago
0:56 - 1:01
WOOOOOOOOOOOOO! [/bender]
chenalos 1 year ago
Rat jumping ship. He shows no remorse. He's psychotic.
WeeblesRebellion 1 year ago
@WeeblesRebellion
So the ship is sinking then?
chenalos 1 year ago
Good for Mike Rinder; at the very least, he's come to his senses and left, and no longer has to take the abuse of such a shady organization, much less David Miscavige himself.
sangreal2999 1 year ago
David Miscavige is an abusive little cult creep.
Can ANY $cientologist please explain how that goomba changed the second dynamic from sex and family to creativity? Sounds like the high crime of squirreling with Hubbards tech.
Yes, I went as far as to say that the writings of a third rate pulp fiction writer and his 40s lie detector are tech...
LRonAnonymous 1 year ago
What are your crimes Mr Miscavage? lol
aslanmaskadov 1 year ago
How close is he to Tom Cruise? "unnaturally extrememly close" LOL! That`s always been my theory, that Miscavige is Toms BF which is why Cruise supports it so much. When people bash Scientology they are bashing his "wife" which is why he gets pissed.
JamesTKirkCobain 1 year ago
Ooooh shiit! I just saw this same guy in another video on some old talk show defending Scientology now he left? LOL!
JamesTKirkCobain 1 year ago
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can't stand this reporter,you can tell he is just doing it for the money.he doesn,t give shit about the truth.so sad the a news reporter need to put down religion to make himself famous.........SO SAD.
wildtiger34 1 year ago
@wildtiger34
Scientology is a religion now? When did that happen?
c0810543030 1 year ago 2
@c0810543030 They have been doing the "religion" scam for a long time now (all the way back to LRH days). After trying the "self-help" psychology track for a while (& receiving much heat from Psychology associations), he figured out that he could make a lot more money with the tax-exempt thing. Also part of the reason for changing the name from Dianetics.
alexeykh 1 year ago
When is Render going to come out with the alternative to scientology that he was destined to do. "Divide and conquer."
Seveen1 1 year ago
Rinder didn't even say anything that meant anything, because he has nothing to say. what did he actually say? At the end of the show it's like, what? who? when? POINTLESS JOURNALISM. Deep down he knows he has f****d up. count the moments of silence between the question and his answers. Yeah, STUMPED. Rinder is full of shit.
Nopatienceanymore 1 year ago
@Nopatienceanymore - He said that David Miscavige is violent, comulsive and evil. Does that mean anything to you? And are you a Scientologist by any chance? Just wondering.
jdtrickster4 1 year ago
@jdtrickster4 corr: *compulsive
jdtrickster4 1 year ago
@jdtrickster4 - It means nothing to me because I know he is lying. It has been proven that he is a liar. He has a vested interested along with his bum chum Marty Rathbun who just got arrested the other week for drunk and disorderly. Ha - real "authorities" on Scientology aren't they.
Nopatienceanymore 1 year ago
Scientology is even not a religion, it's just a commercial capitalist brainwash.
dontlayeggs 1 year ago 5
@dontlayeggs I guess you are commie scum?
MrJosephMarzullo 1 year ago
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FreedumbFighter28 1 year ago
All religions use "fear and brutality to control"
Somai82 1 year ago
Rinder deserves a medal for getting out an tellin the truth. Lord knows he does not sleep at night considering they have his family....so karma is being tended to..
FreedumbFighter28 1 year ago 38
Mike Rinder speaks with no evidence or proof. Though I am not a Scientologist, I am tired of all this controversy-stirring "news" which has no real impact on society. It bothers me that seemingly credible news entities such as "today tonight" give undue weight to such stories, when the "witness" himself admits to hitting other people, and claims that other people do it too, again, with no proof. I would think for myself and not jump on the religious hatred bandwagon.
sharpedge62 1 year ago
@sharpedge62 Ah..yes, I'm tired of these "victimized" clowns such as Marty Rathbun and Mike Rinder going on TV just because they were left disgruntled by their religion. Someone give me proof. Right now it's all hearsay - it's his word against Scientology's. I am not a Scientologist either - just an individual thinker.
twistedchurros18 1 year ago
@twistedchurros18 Um twisted, it's rather obvious that you and sharpedge are in fact one and the same. Why are you pretending to agree with sharp when sharp is you?
TYPICAL $cientology dishonesty and incompetence. Nah, you're not a $cientologist. Geez dude, next time make it a little less obvious that you're a liar.
Too funny.
cultssuck 1 year ago
@sharpedge62 Yea sure your not a Scientologist, you've favorited all their garbage videos. Another attempt at Scientology discrediting or stifling critics. What a surprise that twistedchurros18 also has the same favorites. They must think people are as stupid as they'd like to believe. Go favorite some more Scientology propaganda you fucking bots.
zacharos 1 year ago
@sharpedge62 Tommy Davis and the ex-wives themselves acknowledged that abuse was within the church. They disagreed with Rinder and Rathbun over whom was responsible -- but inadvertently they admitted that something is horribly wrong at Gold.
EpicSwordGuy 1 year ago 2
The problem is, too many people misinterpret their observations to arrive at a flawed conclusion.
If you start taking credit for imposing your will on real life, like controlling traffic lights, you are one step closer to total insanity.
You can't say something is false because you haven't experienced it yourself. You are basing truth on what you yourself experienced.
I was walking down the road yesterday and got hit by a bus. Fortunately, the bus wasn't true for me so I got away unscathed.
OpenComments 1 year ago
Hitler.
truvelocity 1 year ago
Scientology = "International Psychological Power Brokerage Inc." and making this fact legally binding would inevitably make them accountable to the IRS.. kinda reminds me of Al Capone vs Eliot Ness and we all knew who won that battle...lol :) ~
netsight 1 year ago
Are you serious?
Rinder has been interviewed by John Sweeney, the BBC most definitely do want to go there again. The Panorama crew were not intimidated by the Cult's insistance on harassing anybody and everybody who gets in the way. At the moment it's awaiting the usual legal wrangling.
Also, has anybody seen the quality of the average written responses from Scientologists here?
Ron's Tech really works! Honest! Don't look behind the curtain...
CrotchConfidence 1 year ago
oh my god..i had no idea he had left the church!!!
elsoda 1 year ago
ratings ratings ratings!!!... lol Today Tonight I think are doing this purely for exposure something that the (cult-ure) within Scientology would inevitably utilize against this current affairs show. A good example would be how the scientologists wounded up John Sweeney from the BBC.
netsight 1 year ago
Satanic cult.
krazygreen 1 year ago 5
@krazygreen : *Thetanic* cult
Kitsune1282 1 year ago
@Kitsune1282
"Could it be.....THETAN?!?!?!
--Dana Carvey, Church Lady
SchroederkilledLucy 1 year ago
Love how this reporter uses the word "cult" time after time in place of "church."
MrDunedon 1 year ago 2
@MrDunedon That is the correct word.
23throwaway 1 year ago
I like seeing all these ex-members speaking out. Hopefully the ones sucked into LRon's scam will notice. Thousands and thousands of people can't all be lying! lol
EnturbulationStation 1 year ago
Ohh...Jeezz...
The usual story and the usual suspects!
No wonder BBC did not wanted something to do (again) with this shit.
Is there something really new, aside that SCN is expanding like never before?
The question is: Is BBC John Sweeney realized that he had been set up by those
ex-scientologists liars before and he doesn't want have anything to do with it again?
Well, some Australian journalists seem to no get it yet! LOL
marcotai 1 year ago
I heard scientology helped cure Tom Cruise of a learning disability and also helped him to live out his potential into a great career and a great family life and social life too. Psychs or professors or priests didn't but Scientology did!
What could it do for you?
Take a free test and find out. There's many things happening and many ways to get involved.
daveyork0 1 year ago
where is sparrow???????
ddbd 1 year ago
Bryan Seymour does an amazing job putting these pieces together. Bravo!
whereisrinder 1 year ago
AHh......Finally the truth about the lies. The lies about the truth come out. I felt they were lying when they said it was the truth but the truth about the lies was just too much. Now finally, the truth speaks badly of the lies. Of course the lies deny the truth and truth speaks boldly to expose the lies. We were told it was lies. Then we were told I was lying about that. Then those trying to tell the truth were called liers. But now we know the truth tellers were really liers.
998987987698765 1 year ago
I wonder which Scientologist planted the rumor that one of the biggest google search personalities(Bieber) was joining the Cult Of Scientology JUST AS this story/report was about to be aired? Hmmm....
FreeTheRocks 1 year ago
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at least Mike Rinder told the truth about one thing, that Scientology does help people, checkout the scientology youtube channel for more.
deptsd 1 year ago
@deptsd $cientology helps people lose their assets, their families, their friends, their sanity, their critical thinking abilities and, sometimes, their very lives.
That's "help" $cientology crime syndicate style.
cultssuck 1 year ago 3
@deptsd u retard. not under the management
coolvidsrule 1 year ago
You had me at "Highway To Hell."
lockitinurpocket 1 year ago
Mike and the rest of these guys need to "speak out" about the sheer ridiculousness of the whole concept of Scientology in general or they are nothing more than someone looking to cash in on the money brought into the cult in the way of selling books and courses. OT powers only exist inside the cult's money-grubbing pyramid scheme as a carrot dangling in front of gullible frightened rabbits. Come on Mike....tell the REAL truths about Scientology...EVERYTHING about it is a lie and a scam.
FreeTheRocks 1 year ago
We know for a fact that Mike Rinder has lied to the world about Scientology. The only question is, as Brian asked him, was he lying then or is he lying now? Either way, what does it say about an organization claiming to be a church that a known liar was their spokesperson for years?
11Jamie11 1 year ago
@11Jamie11
Interesting how the church claims that ALL the high level $cientologists that helped run the cult for many, many years and are speaking out now have been "known, violent criminals" for years. LOL
AnonRanGER01 1 year ago
What happened to the days of real journalism??? All this sounds really plausible...but, reall, how hard is it to find an ex-member of anything, one who left on bad terms, to say bad stuff about the company they used to represent? Not very hard at all. While it's interesting, the story isn't credible. Check out the reporter, too...he hates scientology for some reason. When that gets boring, look out Jehovas, Excl Bretherens, etc...you guys will be next.
kungfumel75 1 year ago
@kungfumel75
Not true at all. This is about 'abuse' and it is the same stuff that happened in the Catholic Church and we would hear about it for years. It is the "consistent" testimony that keeps popping up, from people who have left over the years. They all tell the same story. That DM is out of control and is violent. They are not attacking 'the church' as much as they are attacking the person who is running it.
babystinky 1 year ago 15
@kungfumel75 Try over 1100 ex-members who have left and spoken out about the abuses they suffered while in this nefarious organization. I find them very credible.
I've "checked out" the reporter. He's done a fantastic job in his reports on the cult, and $cientology always comes across as a creepy, bullying, duplicitous crime syndicate.
He's also incredibly good-looking, but I digress.
cultssuck 1 year ago 37
@cultssuck hey c.s. why wont val check out any other anti Co$ vids?
fzappa007 1 year ago
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Mike Rinder speaks with no evidence or proof. Though I am not a Scientologist, I am tired of all this controversy-stirring "news" which has no real impact on society. It bothers me that seemingly credible news entities such as "today tonight" give undue weight to such stories, when the "witness" himself admits to hitting other people, and claims that other people do it too, again, with no proof. I would think for myself and not jump on the religious hatred bandwagon.
sharpedge62 1 year ago
@cultssuck ...again, why not 'find out for yourself'. It's a novel idea, but alas, it seems people are content to make their minds up on a broad subject from a few interviews. I could make Mother Theresa look sinister with sweeping close-ups of her eyes, twisted camera shots and some ominous music...in fact, for a laff, I may do just that to prove my point.
kungfumel75 1 year ago
@kungfumel75 Yeah good luck making MT look "sinister", as if how one appears on camera has anything to do with anything. Show me documents or witnesses that say MT covered up child molestation, coerced women to have abortions, ran a slave labor camp, fair gamed critics, destroyed families with a disconection policy and charged hundreds of thousands of dollars to learn the basic tenents of her religion and we'll talk.
cultssuck 1 year ago
@kungfumel75 -This has nothing to do with "looks." It has to do with "deeds." You can't separate Scientology, the subject from Scientology, the organization for one simple reason: You must "study" & "apply" the subject IN the organization & abide by the org's policies, etc.
So even if I DIDN'T think Scientology was quackery & a money scam, it's still used as such by said organization or as I like to call it these days, David Miscavige's $cientology crime syndicate. The pl are good but duped.
jdtrickster4 1 year ago
@cultssuck duplicitous = win word of the day, good going =D
alexp9999 1 year ago
@kungfumel75 You need look no further than the church's contradictory statements in response to the accusations. Last year Tommy Davis accused Marty Rathbun of beating Rinder. This year Rinder's ex-wife, speaking on behalf of the church, says she never saw signs of beating.
The church says it discharged Rinder in 2002 for malfeasance, yet there he is in 2004 speaking at the IAS event.
Don't worry about the journalism. Worry about the church's changing story.
EpicSwordGuy 1 year ago 4
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kungfumel75 1 year ago
@EpicSwordGuy @EpicSwordGuy I hear ya...my point is: don't believe what you see in the media. Their job is to 'persuade', it's not journalism. If you believe it, you've been tricked (remember the WMDs? That's an). I'm a Scientologist, I've never experienced anything like this. I go with what I see and know, not what tabloids tell me. Most people I know that oppose Scn have never done it and couldn't even define the word. They've been tricked if you ask me...and they call us brainwashed.
kungfumel75 1 year ago
@kungfumel75 Don't believe what you see in the media. Does that mean I shouldn't believe the official responses from Tommy Davis and the ex-wives of Rinder, Rathbun and DeVocht as given on CNN?
So you need to "do" Scn before you can oppose it? Do you need to "do" Catholicism to be opposed to the sex abuse by Catholic priests, and the church's subsequent cover-up?
EpicSwordGuy 1 year ago
@EpicSwordGuy ...yeah, don't believe Davis or the others either. They're only people giving you their own opinions. If you're really that interested in the subject then find out for yourself if Scn is a crock or not. Same with Catholism, aside from media rhetoric about priests and abuse, if you really want. But, if you still don't like Scn, no skin off my nose. I made up my own mind abt it so I'll keep doing it. Cheers.
kungfumel75 1 year ago
@kungfumel75 Excuse me? Davis is the church spokesman (the role previously filled by Rinder).
Would you care to specify what one should to do find out about Scientology?
I don't like what I have found out: that an organization can get away with high crime under the guise of religion.
And that is why I fight.
EpicSwordGuy 1 year ago
@EpicSwordGuy "Don't believe Davis"? Makes you wonder if Miscavige is preparing to throw Davis under the bus.
Pretty funny to see a $cientologist say that Davis shouldn't be believed though. As if anyone ever believed a word that came out of his mouth.
cultssuck 1 year ago
@kungfumel75
Scientology systematically robs a person of his ability to question things. In Scientology, they tell you, "If it's true for you, then it's true," resulting in objective reality becoming sort of fuzzy as it is based on whatever you believe. Over time, your beliefs are systematically supplanted with the beliefs that they instill in you through training drills.
In essence, Scientology's pseudo-philosophy is that 2+2 = whatever you want it to be.
OpenComments 1 year ago
Why is it taking so long for this video to load?
lestat02882 1 year ago