sadly, just the cardboard stuff. Home builders here stopped building solid homes a long time ago. The house I grew up in is about 100 years old now and it had lathen plaster walls (brick foundation and exterior walls too). But that ended in the 1950s when drywall (the cardboard stuff) came about. The drywall is cheaper to use and a lot faster to install. Of course, with cardboard, if you sneeze in one room, the person in the room next you you will hear it.
I love the 870,was the first shotgun I shot with me da when I was 10, with a pistol grip and loaded double odd buck,slug,doubleodd buck,slug etc. I still shoot it today and have no need for any other shotgun ever.
@usframe appreciate it! Throwin a pumpkin behind the first wall like your other vid would be nice, not sure if you can find one now so maybe a cantelope lol, nevertheless great videos and i subscribed! I live in the city of pgh but love getting away to the wooded parts of our state, love your area man it's BEAUTIFUL!
"Hurp durp.. I use da shotgun in da house so I don't hooourt any buddy in de odder room" Looks like all the shit we've been reading on forums is bullshit! As knowledgeable people were already aware of.
Personally with home defense I use birdshot. Dont have to worry about shooting through walls and hurting others. And birdshot is going to call massive internal damage because of the pellet size and spread is so grouped. Personally mine was within 12 inch grouping at about 25 yards. With mod choke.
@aaronscrewme Wrong, it will. With the amount of bleeding it will cause massive pain as well as bleeding. Within 25 yards it will punch through the skin.
Your live tree there with the OO is your neighbor out walking the dog who will sue you now and win. I have 7.5 bird in my coach gun so I don't get unnecessary over penetration. Sheets 3 and 4 with the 7.5 are when the round energy is finally being dumped. At 12 feet the hole in teh first 2 seets will likely be the hole through a human. If you can, test on a foot thick ballistic gelitian target.
@Robbob9933 first off, yay! some fun feedback. Yeah, we have a lot more stuff planned for this year, perhaps getting back to shotgun results. What are you thinking? gel behind the wall? That is my concern, as I know what happens to the body at close range with small pellet shot. Did you see the video where we have a pumpkin behind the first wall?
My reminder is this, the series of wall penetration vids is based on missing or accidental discharges, and that small gauge shot is "safe."
@usframe I live in a condo and must be concerned about over penetration as well as penetration from a miss. From my bedroom there are 6 to 8 sheets of sheetrock to a room of a neighbor. I don't believe in sharing the pain. Your pumpkin vid with the 7.5 affirms my choice of 7.5 for in the house defence. It actually out performed the OO on the pumpkin behind the wall. Plus only a few pellets entered the second wall cavity. Gel behind wall was my idea, pumpkin is a good analog too however.
But dry wall is much easier to penetrate then skin and bone so i still wouldn't trust this load with home defense because i don't honestly believe this would kill somebody now i know it may well like a standard.22 but i'm saying it's not a guarantee and if somebody does something bad enough to make me want to shoot them then i want to use the military grade00 buck .30 caliber 9 pellet 2 3/4shotgun shell, i trust that will do the job because i've seen the power and spread on that shot shell.
"if somebody does something...to make me shoot them...I want to use the military grade 00 buck"
Why not just use a bazooka to be sure? That will do the job. Well, that would be crazy because of the collateral damage to your neighbors, right? What do you think firing a 12 gauge in the middle of a crowded neighborhood might do to your neighbors after watching this test?
If you accidentally shoot your neighbors with over-penetration you are going to prison, period.
@ 1:49 It's momentum formula for momentum= mass X velocity. Inertia is objects ability to resist acceleration. Sorry I'm a physics nerd Junior in high school. Nice 12 GA. though I'm going to get one to go along with the 9MM glock 17.
they said muzzle to wall 12 feet. my 00 buck has opened to 6 to 8 inches . Lets not forget, we arent trying to shoot walls. if you hit your target there is no need to redrywall.
@Davidautofull on our other vids we used 00, and it stayed tight at those distances. These vids are designed to illustrate misses, that is the point. We were reacting to many comments that birdshot was "safe" in the home. Thanks for watching!
Remember Cheney? He shot a guy with birdshot, no walls and he didn't die. Granted Only kids are grandkids,rarely, but I have a Short Barrel Shotgun, 14 inch 870 loaded with 00 or 000 buck. People overthink things. I have a 52 inch TV but if someone breaks into my house and I'm here, I will shoot this place to hell to KILL an invader. they will sue you if you dont. M-16 is my back-up. Better call first.
@Davidautofull I don't know if they gave the distance from which he shot the guy, but it wasn't close. Stories like that lead to ideas that lead further to carelessness.
@usframe I have the same feeling. My uncle used to go boar hunting with slugs. He dogs to run them down and missloaded a 7.5 round instad of a slug and killed the 250lb boar from about 20 feet as he recalled. These peeps the internet dismissing 7.5 bird as ineffective are clueless.
@Davidautofull Look man, you really can't go wrong with birdshot or buckshot. If you're talking about ripping a shotgun down the hallway of an average home, you could shoot the guy with duckload, it doesn't quite matter, he's gunna feel it. Damn shotgun will do some serious damage.
Wow, after this I'm taking the 00 out of my HD gun (870), birdshot all the way. Lower recoil with the low-brass birdshot as well, faster follow-ups. Also SUPER CHEAP! Thanks so much for this video, excellent test.
don't forget that fiberglass insulation has some properties that will slow down the shot, while it will not completely stop all of the shot, it may prevent or slow down the one pellet that may otherwise be the one to cause irreversible, lethal collateral damage.
I suggest setting up a larger test with all of the building materials found in between drywall.
@juufa72 we have at least one vdeo with fiberglas on YT, nothing changed. Except for around shower enclosures and perhaps, only maybe perhaps, occasionally insulation is between rooms, that is very rare. We did a lot of shooting on various mterials since, and stopped bothering with fiberglas as the results at these distances was always the same, with or without. Panel type insulations, styrofoam did minimal alteration, if anything at close range.Thanks for stopping by.
Given what I have seen, perhaps I should take out all the shot and put in an extra couple of wads. They go through the first drywall. I am guessing three wads would take all the intruder out of a felon.... Has anyone ever engaged in return fire when their neighbors missed the intruder?
@usframe That sounds like you agree with me. I am serious about looking for a round that stops [rather than kills] while NOT going through drywall with insulation. These "Personal Defense" rounds may be a lethal weapon, but I do not want to take a chance of a homocide of the innocent.
No problem, I own two shotguns and I dont think I would break them out if i heard something in my house, also im from Canada so I dont even think its legal to blast a robber here lol
@kev987654321 In most States, if they are threatening your life or others, lethal force can be used. I would argue that the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence have this as an inalienable or "unalienable" right.
@kev987654321 I have heard of an instance like that elderly guy a year or so ago. And, I am always up for seeing statistics...but "most" I think is not even applicable. Thanks for watching.
You hear alot of people say, something along the line of it going into your neighbors house and hurting/killing them, do you really think it would go thru sheetrock then a brick wall more then likely thru a fence and another brick wall and actually do harm to your neighbor?........
@miah022 that is a scenario where I would say no if it's a shotgun. But, that is only one possible material arrangemant out of many. I think in this instance we were thinking about damage within the home.
have you ever shot 1 ounce slugs during this test? alot of people say it would go through multi walls and down the street & so on... I'll like to know what it's really capable of, thanks!
@vcha143 At close range the round does not even deform. It passes right through. WIth a slug the over penetration would go through the intruder, the wall, and your neighbor.
excellent test. So (as I am about to pick up my 870 tomorrow yay), would u say I go with buck or birdshot for home defense? I'll always have slugs for distance shots..
@usframe no prob, i will check them out! I have a bunch of videos too, feel free to check them out and comment, i am in the process of putting up a .22lr ammo comparison test. Keep the cool videos coming!
and all this time i thought BIRDshot was for BIRDS!!! it is very small, light shot that has no need for deep penitration. those 7 /12 loads are meant for shooting clays and sparros, not a criminal in you home. even for turkeys (ask any hunter) thyey will opt for a larger and heavier shot size; and that is just a bigger bird! if you are going to load a shotgun for home defense, use a real load and quit dicking around with birdshot...it is for BIRDS!!!!
@damarei if you shoot someone with a gun, doesn't matter what type of ammo you use... it is lethal, some say that 9 mm doesn't have enough stopping power, well it's a piece of metal flying at nearly 900km/h...lethal enough, can't stress this enough..if you get shot you will most likely die;)
@Korrupt101 if you shoot someone with a gun, doesn't matter what type of ammo you use... it is lethal, some say that 9 mm doesn't have enough stopping power, well it's a piece of metal flying at nearly 900km/h...lethal enough
@Korrupt101 the logic isn't flawed in that this was done to show different shot penetrations regarding interior walls. Check your local ER for shotgun injury reports, if possible. Thanks for watching!
My appartment mainly consists out of dry wall aswell. I figured that a load such as 12ga 00 buck whould go straigt through my wall into my neigbour so i spend e little extra and got a box of bean bag rounds and some "rubber rocket" shells. (That sounds like something else doesn't it?) wat I was going for is the takedown power but not the penetration power. used the bean bag in iraq and loved it!
Do you have any idea how much energy that shot would need to have once passing through the second sheet of dry wall to do the kind of damage it did to the third and fourth sheet?
Do you also know that you don't need to hit "major arteries or veins" to cause a person to bleed out?
After passing through 2 sheets of drywall, that shot was still lethal. No matter how much more 'superior' you try to sound than everyone else.
i love the bitching of certain posters. i think the over all moral of this story is a shotgun will mess stuff up if shot inside. Dont shoot indiscriminately and know just because Militia Jims website says use 00 to take down the baddies in your house it doesnt necessarily make it a good idea. (BTW if there really is a militia jim dont hunt me down. I chose the first thing that came to mind.)
As i was watching your video i was amazed at how much damage 71/2 shot can REALLY do...you always hear birdshot would never inflict true damage but i beg to disagree. Maybe not as much as 00 but surely as you said the BG can definitely bleed out from that type of wound trauma..
since this topic is being discussed way more than 30 years ago, it is interesting to hear the different takes on certain shot. I think bird shot was used by the perps in the "In Cold Blood" killings in the late 50s.
I think Hickok45 uses birdshot in his tree trimming videos.
From this vid, I'm changing from #4 to maybe a dove/target load. An underestimated weapon. I dont want my shot doing an "Elvis" and leaving the building or exiting my "target" and hitting a bystander. Thanks
Spoken like the expert that you are with your years of experience. Tell me expert....give me the stats on the average police fire fight. How many rounds are shot in how much time and how many rounds actually HIT the target? I highly doubt the opinion of a wet nosed 22 year old pre med student over the facts of highly trained people that have actually been IN the situation. Thanks. Now go study for your tests rookie
Police don't use birdshot because birdshot contains an assload (that is the technical term) of projectiles, which must then be removed if the person who was shot happens to survive.
Police aren't there to kill bad guys, they are there to stop bad guys, so they generally try to do as little damage as possible. While #00 or #1 shot may have more penetration, it is much easier for doctors to remove from organs and tissue.
Not an accurate test. You need 16 inch on center 2 x 4's with the dry wall. The loading on 16 in centers is different than with 4 or 6 inches between your studs. As close as your dry wall is it doesnt accurately show the damage.
maybe if we were talking punching or kicking power that would be a factor.
The gap here is 9" as opposed to 14 1/2" in household construction. That said, many spacings are less than 16" center anyway within the home. Either way, the results you see here match any interior shooting I had done in the past. This was much easier than patching, mud and tape, and repainting :)
I had never before seen an experiment like this and the results provide valuable information that every home owner should be mindful of. Thank you for all your effort and expense in setting up your outdoor ballistics lab.
Thanks for stopping in and viewing. Looks like rain for most of this week, so we will not be getting to wreck anything new for a bit. lol, but it does give us more time to think up more stuff :)
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MultiTrackyBoyz 3 weeks ago
It's the hulk!!'
jamgabem 1 month ago
great vid butt you need a pig carcass to simulate a intruder body then the dry wall
MrGreblin 2 months ago
Dont you americans have any real walls in your homes? You know, like from brick or other stones? Just that cardboard-stuff?
dispatcher7007 2 months ago
sadly, just the cardboard stuff. Home builders here stopped building solid homes a long time ago. The house I grew up in is about 100 years old now and it had lathen plaster walls (brick foundation and exterior walls too). But that ended in the 1950s when drywall (the cardboard stuff) came about. The drywall is cheaper to use and a lot faster to install. Of course, with cardboard, if you sneeze in one room, the person in the room next you you will hear it.
bloodangel160 1 month ago
Thanks for the video. A lot of people say birdshot won't do much harm after going through a wall.
1s1t1e1v1e1 2 months ago
I love the 870,was the first shotgun I shot with me da when I was 10, with a pistol grip and loaded double odd buck,slug,doubleodd buck,slug etc. I still shoot it today and have no need for any other shotgun ever.
3sjh3 3 months ago
@3sjh3 thanks for visiting and the comment!
usframe 3 months ago
@usframe Very helpful and informative vid! I was wondering if you did a similar video using a 410 shotgun/S & W governor/taurus judge??
steelcurtain41286 1 month ago
@steelcurtain41286 I'll look around and see if we have a 410 handy
usframe 1 month ago
@usframe appreciate it! Throwin a pumpkin behind the first wall like your other vid would be nice, not sure if you can find one now so maybe a cantelope lol, nevertheless great videos and i subscribed! I live in the city of pgh but love getting away to the wooded parts of our state, love your area man it's BEAUTIFUL!
steelcurtain41286 1 month ago
"Hurp durp.. I use da shotgun in da house so I don't hooourt any buddy in de odder room" Looks like all the shit we've been reading on forums is bullshit! As knowledgeable people were already aware of.
Friedstuffsable 4 months ago
Great video, man! Was wondering if you did the same test with #4 buckshot, and if you hadn't if you plan to in the future? Thanks again for this vid!
targetbuttmonkey 6 months ago
Very interesting. I always thought that bird shot would be a relatively safe option for home defense, but perhaps not. Good video.
ryangi5 6 months ago
@ryangi5 thanks for checking it out
usframe 6 months ago
Yes yes yes yes yes, awesome vid guys! I have wanted to do this test myself thank you for provideing some safety material for concerned gun owners.
selfdefensepath 7 months ago
@selfdefensepath glad that the demo was meaningful for you
usframe 7 months ago
Excellent vid. good stuff man
SnkyCyanTurtle 7 months ago
@SnkyCyanTurtle thanks for watching!
usframe 7 months ago
If you shot a big fat guy in the leather jacket in the head, his size and clothing doesn't matter so much does it?
Straften 8 months ago
@Straften birdshot has very poor penetration. People don't even use it to hunt 150 lb deer...
aaronscrewme 6 months ago
Yes birdshot is very lethal at average distances.
SpaceExplorer31 8 months ago
@SpaceExplorer31 as long as the intruder isint a big fat guy wearing a leather jacket
MegaDanbo 8 months ago
Can you run some tests with walls about 10 feet or more apart to simulate shooting through bedrooms or average size rooms.
Thanks
SpaceExplorer31 8 months ago
@TheMunchKinney perhaps if they were, keep in mind we are talking interior walls of a home. Thanks for watching!
usframe 8 months ago
Personally with home defense I use birdshot. Dont have to worry about shooting through walls and hurting others. And birdshot is going to call massive internal damage because of the pellet size and spread is so grouped. Personally mine was within 12 inch grouping at about 25 yards. With mod choke.
bigbob6556 10 months ago
@bigbob6556 No it wont.
aaronscrewme 6 months ago
@aaronscrewme Wrong, it will. With the amount of bleeding it will cause massive pain as well as bleeding. Within 25 yards it will punch through the skin.
bigbob6556 6 months ago
why is his voice so familiar?
MillerTime008 11 months ago
@MillerTime008 he sounds like Paul senior from American Choppers!!.. i had to think about it for a minute lol
thechrispychicken 9 months ago
Your live tree there with the OO is your neighbor out walking the dog who will sue you now and win. I have 7.5 bird in my coach gun so I don't get unnecessary over penetration. Sheets 3 and 4 with the 7.5 are when the round energy is finally being dumped. At 12 feet the hole in teh first 2 seets will likely be the hole through a human. If you can, test on a foot thick ballistic gelitian target.
Robbob9933 1 year ago
@Robbob9933 first off, yay! some fun feedback. Yeah, we have a lot more stuff planned for this year, perhaps getting back to shotgun results. What are you thinking? gel behind the wall? That is my concern, as I know what happens to the body at close range with small pellet shot. Did you see the video where we have a pumpkin behind the first wall?
My reminder is this, the series of wall penetration vids is based on missing or accidental discharges, and that small gauge shot is "safe."
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe I live in a condo and must be concerned about over penetration as well as penetration from a miss. From my bedroom there are 6 to 8 sheets of sheetrock to a room of a neighbor. I don't believe in sharing the pain. Your pumpkin vid with the 7.5 affirms my choice of 7.5 for in the house defence. It actually out performed the OO on the pumpkin behind the wall. Plus only a few pellets entered the second wall cavity. Gel behind wall was my idea, pumpkin is a good analog too however.
Robbob9933 1 year ago
But dry wall is much easier to penetrate then skin and bone so i still wouldn't trust this load with home defense because i don't honestly believe this would kill somebody now i know it may well like a standard.22 but i'm saying it's not a guarantee and if somebody does something bad enough to make me want to shoot them then i want to use the military grade00 buck .30 caliber 9 pellet 2 3/4shotgun shell, i trust that will do the job because i've seen the power and spread on that shot shell.
jake51515 1 year ago
@jake51515
"if somebody does something...to make me shoot them...I want to use the military grade 00 buck"
Why not just use a bazooka to be sure? That will do the job. Well, that would be crazy because of the collateral damage to your neighbors, right? What do you think firing a 12 gauge in the middle of a crowded neighborhood might do to your neighbors after watching this test?
If you accidentally shoot your neighbors with over-penetration you are going to prison, period.
CaneFu 2 months ago
@ 1:49 It's momentum formula for momentum= mass X velocity. Inertia is objects ability to resist acceleration. Sorry I'm a physics nerd Junior in high school. Nice 12 GA. though I'm going to get one to go along with the 9MM glock 17.
tytig94 1 year ago
Look man I dont want him to feel it. Im trying to get across you better kill him or he will pull out a gun and kill you.
Davidautofull 1 year ago
@Davidautofull are you addressing me or the youtube audience?
usframe 1 year ago
they said muzzle to wall 12 feet. my 00 buck has opened to 6 to 8 inches . Lets not forget, we arent trying to shoot walls. if you hit your target there is no need to redrywall.
Davidautofull 1 year ago
@Davidautofull on our other vids we used 00, and it stayed tight at those distances. These vids are designed to illustrate misses, that is the point. We were reacting to many comments that birdshot was "safe" in the home. Thanks for watching!
usframe 1 year ago
Remember Cheney? He shot a guy with birdshot, no walls and he didn't die. Granted Only kids are grandkids,rarely, but I have a Short Barrel Shotgun, 14 inch 870 loaded with 00 or 000 buck. People overthink things. I have a 52 inch TV but if someone breaks into my house and I'm here, I will shoot this place to hell to KILL an invader. they will sue you if you dont. M-16 is my back-up. Better call first.
Davidautofull 1 year ago
@Davidautofull I don't know if they gave the distance from which he shot the guy, but it wasn't close. Stories like that lead to ideas that lead further to carelessness.
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe Sheriff's report said the distance was 30 to 40 yards.
Robbob9933 1 year ago
@Robbob9933 at close range, 3-5 yds, I highly suspect we would still be talking about, "remember when the VP killed a guy?"
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe I have the same feeling. My uncle used to go boar hunting with slugs. He dogs to run them down and missloaded a 7.5 round instad of a slug and killed the 250lb boar from about 20 feet as he recalled. These peeps the internet dismissing 7.5 bird as ineffective are clueless.
Robbob9933 1 year ago
@Robbob9933 That's impossible.
aaronscrewme 6 months ago
@Davidautofull Look man, you really can't go wrong with birdshot or buckshot. If you're talking about ripping a shotgun down the hallway of an average home, you could shoot the guy with duckload, it doesn't quite matter, he's gunna feel it. Damn shotgun will do some serious damage.
DanSVT03 1 year ago
i advise people to have walls of brick not this plates
ArminS 1 year ago
Great video - thank you for saving me the trouble of doing this myself! Question... about how far away were you from the first wall?
motofabio 1 year ago
@motofabio muzzle was about 12 feet away
usframe 1 year ago
Wow, after this I'm taking the 00 out of my HD gun (870), birdshot all the way. Lower recoil with the low-brass birdshot as well, faster follow-ups. Also SUPER CHEAP! Thanks so much for this video, excellent test.
Maat922 1 year ago
i found this video very helpful thank you for making it i now understand the risk i take to protect my wife and kids thanks keep it up
bobbygib0622 1 year ago
Wow! It's like a handful of .22's
mikeb1444 1 year ago
momentum, but we know what you mean. Thanks
followthemoney100 1 year ago
don't forget that fiberglass insulation has some properties that will slow down the shot, while it will not completely stop all of the shot, it may prevent or slow down the one pellet that may otherwise be the one to cause irreversible, lethal collateral damage.
I suggest setting up a larger test with all of the building materials found in between drywall.
Other than that, thanks for sharing! Peace, -j
juufa72 1 year ago
@juufa72 we have at least one vdeo with fiberglas on YT, nothing changed. Except for around shower enclosures and perhaps, only maybe perhaps, occasionally insulation is between rooms, that is very rare. We did a lot of shooting on various mterials since, and stopped bothering with fiberglas as the results at these distances was always the same, with or without. Panel type insulations, styrofoam did minimal alteration, if anything at close range.Thanks for stopping by.
usframe 1 year ago
Given what I have seen, perhaps I should take out all the shot and put in an extra couple of wads. They go through the first drywall. I am guessing three wads would take all the intruder out of a felon.... Has anyone ever engaged in return fire when their neighbors missed the intruder?
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago
@JohnLloydScharf many years ago, knew a fella that had several operations to remove wad fragments from the lower abdomen.
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe That sounds like you agree with me. I am serious about looking for a round that stops [rather than kills] while NOT going through drywall with insulation. These "Personal Defense" rounds may be a lethal weapon, but I do not want to take a chance of a homocide of the innocent.
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago
No problem, I own two shotguns and I dont think I would break them out if i heard something in my house, also im from Canada so I dont even think its legal to blast a robber here lol
kev987654321 1 year ago
@kev987654321 In most States, if they are threatening your life or others, lethal force can be used. I would argue that the US Constitution and the Declaration of Independence have this as an inalienable or "unalienable" right.
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago
Dont most people end up killing their wife of kids by mistaking them as robbers?
kev987654321 1 year ago
@kev987654321 I have heard of an instance like that elderly guy a year or so ago. And, I am always up for seeing statistics...but "most" I think is not even applicable. Thanks for watching.
usframe 1 year ago
@kev987654321 No. Most do not. That is far more rare than an intruder killing your wife and kids, particularly during a home invasion.
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago
@kev987654321 honestly more people are killed by elephants then people mistaking family members for intruders
BALJIT147 1 year ago
Great Video! This is a test that I have always wanted to do and now I don't have to. Keep up the good work!
adavisamity442 1 year ago
I can't say if it would have made a drastic difference, but I would have liked to see what would have happened if you put insulation in the walls.
mrpuddlemrpuddle 1 year ago
@mrpuddlemrpuddle when it has been fiberglass, we noticed nothing. I think we have some placed in the "exit wounds" for walls vid.
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe interesting. :)
mrpuddlemrpuddle 1 year ago
You hear alot of people say, something along the line of it going into your neighbors house and hurting/killing them, do you really think it would go thru sheetrock then a brick wall more then likely thru a fence and another brick wall and actually do harm to your neighbor?........
miah022 1 year ago
@miah022 that is a scenario where I would say no if it's a shotgun. But, that is only one possible material arrangemant out of many. I think in this instance we were thinking about damage within the home.
usframe 1 year ago
From what distance was this test done?
bedheadben 1 year ago
@bedheadben muzzle was 12 feet from target
usframe 1 year ago
funny, but also good examples of shot damage. love that 870 Remington
870slideaction 1 year ago
have you ever shot 1 ounce slugs during this test? alot of people say it would go through multi walls and down the street & so on... I'll like to know what it's really capable of, thanks!
vcha143 1 year ago
@vcha143 lol, yeah, we have plans for more stuff, I guess we were being cheap and skipping slugs at the time
usframe 1 year ago
@vcha143 At close range the round does not even deform. It passes right through. WIth a slug the over penetration would go through the intruder, the wall, and your neighbor.
JohnLloydScharf 1 year ago
excellent test. So (as I am about to pick up my 870 tomorrow yay), would u say I go with buck or birdshot for home defense? I'll always have slugs for distance shots..
RRViper800TT 1 year ago
Nice demo!
m1shadow 1 year ago
@m1shadow thanks for the comment, we have more on YT, easy to find at the eclectic guyland site
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe no prob, i will check them out! I have a bunch of videos too, feel free to check them out and comment, i am in the process of putting up a .22lr ammo comparison test. Keep the cool videos coming!
m1shadow 1 year ago
@m1shadow subbed to you, enjoyed the .22lr demos!
usframe 1 year ago
So.. where is the insulation?
fusionstar916 1 year ago
@fusionstar916 in the video for exterior walls
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe theres insulation in interior walls also. But hey nice video, I appreciate the time taken for our learning purposes...
JFJ212 1 year ago
@JFJ212 yep, we often put it between the shower enclosure walls and other rooms to keep it quiet. thanks for the comments!
usframe 1 year ago
Looks like the Blair witch project Background
tacticoolness 1 year ago
Thank you for telling about these videos, I may try the same loads on my Box of truth to see if I get the same results.
fredhart 1 year ago
What choke is in the 870? How far away were you guys standing from the first sheet of drywall?
griffin86666 1 year ago
@griffin86666 I believe it was modified, and for the shooter's safety, he was 12 feet from the target.
usframe 1 year ago
@usframe Thanks for the info.
griffin86666 1 year ago
Very well done video, I found this extremely informative.
Acidicheartburn 1 year ago
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and all this time i thought BIRDshot was for BIRDS!!! it is very small, light shot that has no need for deep penitration. those 7 /12 loads are meant for shooting clays and sparros, not a criminal in you home. even for turkeys (ask any hunter) thyey will opt for a larger and heavier shot size; and that is just a bigger bird! if you are going to load a shotgun for home defense, use a real load and quit dicking around with birdshot...it is for BIRDS!!!!
hills214 1 year ago
@damarei if you shoot someone with a gun, doesn't matter what type of ammo you use... it is lethal, some say that 9 mm doesn't have enough stopping power, well it's a piece of metal flying at nearly 900km/h...lethal enough, can't stress this enough..if you get shot you will most likely die;)
kiddimeister 1 year ago
@Korrupt101 if you shoot someone with a gun, doesn't matter what type of ammo you use... it is lethal, some say that 9 mm doesn't have enough stopping power, well it's a piece of metal flying at nearly 900km/h...lethal enough
kiddimeister 1 year ago
@Korrupt101 the logic isn't flawed in that this was done to show different shot penetrations regarding interior walls. Check your local ER for shotgun injury reports, if possible. Thanks for watching!
usframe 1 year ago
My appartment mainly consists out of dry wall aswell. I figured that a load such as 12ga 00 buck whould go straigt through my wall into my neigbour so i spend e little extra and got a box of bean bag rounds and some "rubber rocket" shells. (That sounds like something else doesn't it?) wat I was going for is the takedown power but not the penetration power. used the bean bag in iraq and loved it!
pepschmidt 1 year ago
Do you have any idea how much energy that shot would need to have once passing through the second sheet of dry wall to do the kind of damage it did to the third and fourth sheet?
Do you also know that you don't need to hit "major arteries or veins" to cause a person to bleed out?
After passing through 2 sheets of drywall, that shot was still lethal. No matter how much more 'superior' you try to sound than everyone else.
KurNorock 2 years ago
yes
usframe 2 years ago
and just to think thats wood ten times harder then flesh that would blow of a limb.
MrDip02 1 year ago
you have experience?
usframe 2 years ago
hi how far was you shooting and choke to thanks
1hunterdale 2 years ago
shots were fired from 12 feet, and using a modified choke
usframe 2 years ago
i love the bitching of certain posters. i think the over all moral of this story is a shotgun will mess stuff up if shot inside. Dont shoot indiscriminately and know just because Militia Jims website says use 00 to take down the baddies in your house it doesnt necessarily make it a good idea. (BTW if there really is a militia jim dont hunt me down. I chose the first thing that came to mind.)
vulgarrc 2 years ago
The 2x4 isn't bad but I have Remington buckload for Home Defense. 25x6mm and I gues it is the best for this stage...
KomoroKid 2 years ago
As i was watching your video i was amazed at how much damage 71/2 shot can REALLY do...you always hear birdshot would never inflict true damage but i beg to disagree. Maybe not as much as 00 but surely as you said the BG can definitely bleed out from that type of wound trauma..
KLmatt3006 2 years ago
since this topic is being discussed way more than 30 years ago, it is interesting to hear the different takes on certain shot. I think bird shot was used by the perps in the "In Cold Blood" killings in the late 50s.
I think Hickok45 uses birdshot in his tree trimming videos.
usframe 2 years ago
From this vid, I'm changing from #4 to maybe a dove/target load. An underestimated weapon. I dont want my shot doing an "Elvis" and leaving the building or exiting my "target" and hitting a bystander. Thanks
charlitunaman2002 2 years ago
What?!?
For defensive purposes?
Ridiculous.
If you don't want your shot doing an Elvis, then don't MISS.
damarei 2 years ago
Spoken like the expert that you are with your years of experience. Tell me expert....give me the stats on the average police fire fight. How many rounds are shot in how much time and how many rounds actually HIT the target? I highly doubt the opinion of a wet nosed 22 year old pre med student over the facts of highly trained people that have actually been IN the situation. Thanks. Now go study for your tests rookie
charlitunaman2002 2 years ago
Leave it to a youtube user to question credentials and age.
1.) not pre-med 2.) who mentioned police? 3.) there's a reason police DON'T use birdshot, genuius.
One would find it extremely difficult to "bleed out" from a shallow wound, however messy it may be.
damarei 2 years ago
1. Pre med 2. pre ass 3. premature 4. premadonna. Now, how about coughing up those facts I asked for sport
charlitunaman2002 2 years ago
Your assumption that the wound would be shallow is amusing.
KurNorock 2 years ago
Police don't use birdshot because birdshot contains an assload (that is the technical term) of projectiles, which must then be removed if the person who was shot happens to survive.
Police aren't there to kill bad guys, they are there to stop bad guys, so they generally try to do as little damage as possible. While #00 or #1 shot may have more penetration, it is much easier for doctors to remove from organs and tissue.
Genius.
KurNorock 2 years ago
Not an accurate test. You need 16 inch on center 2 x 4's with the dry wall. The loading on 16 in centers is different than with 4 or 6 inches between your studs. As close as your dry wall is it doesnt accurately show the damage.
Chuckousley 2 years ago
maybe if we were talking punching or kicking power that would be a factor.
The gap here is 9" as opposed to 14 1/2" in household construction. That said, many spacings are less than 16" center anyway within the home. Either way, the results you see here match any interior shooting I had done in the past. This was much easier than patching, mud and tape, and repainting :)
usframe 2 years ago
very nice videos. They are very helpful.
grabmygoobers 2 years ago
maybe try a shorter barrel, if that was over 18"
spankmyzep 2 years ago
Thanks,
I missed if I you said it already, but in this video how far back were you standing when taking the shots?
bblauter 2 years ago
bblauter-- 12'
usframe 2 years ago
thanks for the videos...
bogey19018 2 years ago
Thanks again for another informative video. Happy Black Friday!!
gplayer01 2 years ago
I had never before seen an experiment like this and the results provide valuable information that every home owner should be mindful of. Thank you for all your effort and expense in setting up your outdoor ballistics lab.
theKGB65 2 years ago
Thanks for stopping in and viewing. Looks like rain for most of this week, so we will not be getting to wreck anything new for a bit. lol, but it does give us more time to think up more stuff :)
usframe 2 years ago
good info
snewso 2 years ago
looks like fun!
Timisso1337 2 years ago
O yeah, other than being safe, it is all about fun!
usframe 2 years ago
The UFRAME Myth Busters Crew!
I like Jared's comment on the 00 Buck test . . . "oopps!"
Great stuff guys and very eye opening!
USNERDOC 2 years ago
Thanks for stopping by!
usframe 2 years ago
An eye opener for sure
After seeing that 000 I wonder how much siding would stop it (if at all)
GunWebsites 2 years ago