We have to answer a philosophical question...what is life? Scientist have found the soul...or at least the chemical in our brain that makes us conscious and dream (DMT)
and that isn't produced in the fetus until the fourth month of gestation before hand it's just as alive as cum ....no awareness no soul
So when 2 gametes meet and join together producing a new human organism with 2 sets of 23 chromosomes and DNA that is separate from the DNA of the mother. You don't think that's a human life?
The fact that you can facilitate conception in a petri dish, grow that human in a cow uterus, and still have a human should be proof enough that you were you at conception and not implantation. Your gender, race, hair and eye color were all determined at conception not implantation.
It is illogical to verbally change the definition of when a human becomes a human according to stages of structural development. One characteristic that all humans have in common through all stages of life is cell division. From the moment you were conceived you were a living human organism that began dividing your cells. Your humanity is not dependent on geographic location in a woman's body. Nor are you less human for being less developed. Puberty is another stage in human development.
A law must be in accord with the reality of nature or else it is a bad law. Laws in favor of slavery were bad laws because it is impossible for a person's free will to be dependent upon the will of another person. You can't buy the ability to own another person's free will. You can make an erroneous law that supports such action. A law that is not grounded in reality. But the law falls short regardless of how many people approve of the law.
With regard to abortion, a woman's rights end where another human being begins. It is not her DNA. It is not her body. It is not her so called "choice". Otherwise the we have to reclassify the female person who is pregnant and say that a woman has 4 sets of 23 chromosomes and 2 sets of DNA. It's just not true in reality. At conception there is a new human being on this earth. A sperm is 1 set of 23 chromosomes and an egg is also 1 set. Humans have 2 sets of 23, not 4 sets.
Finally, your exact words were that "life starts when the embryo attaches to the uterus and starts growing". This is an erroneous statement because in fact, the human has begun growing from the moment of conception. By the time the human implants, its cells have already divided many times. You become a blastocyst before you implant in your mother's uterus. It's typically 5 days after conception that you form into a blastocyst, and you still aren't implanted yet.
Right, but aren't most conceptions "naturally aborted" because they don't implant? It's "illogical" to define life by potential to implant. Nature prevents our pregnancy to conception ratio from being 100%, because 10% (or whatever it is) yields a better survival rate for the species, due to women being more valuable than just being constant baby carriers. A birth control technology that prevents implantation, like a "morning after pill" is not an abortion in my book.
I believe there is a misunderstanding between several key elements here. You need to understand what "Fecundity" is and how often the female body produces a gamete that can join with a male gamete. Women can only get pregnant inside a window of opportunity during the month.
You also use the term "constant baby carriers". What do you mean? Do you understand the biological dynamics of pregnancy, fertility, and fecundity?
"naturally aborted". Are you talking about a miscarriage? Don't be fooled by doing a google search on the word "miscarriage" and seeing a bunch of sites calling it a "spontaneous abortion" Abortion is a procedure. Miscarriage is an event. Abortion is willfully intended. Miscarriage is not willfully intended otherwise it would be a form of abortion. It is paramount that you are specific in your terminology here because we are talking about human life.
The morning after pill doesn't cause a miscarriage, it is an introduction of chemicals to a woman's body that is meant to subvert the natural process of implantation.
You are chemically frustrating a natural biological process. It is not healthy for the woman. It is not natural. It is a willfully committed act done to exact a certain end, to exterminate a growing human organism.
Contraception is not a difficult concept. Man does not approve of the way nature designed the female reproductive system. Man tries to chemically alter the female reproductive system. Since there are so many variables involved in this natural process, man can't account for all of them and so his contraceptives fail. Since his contraceptives fail, man thinks he should be able to use medical instruments to evacuate the growing human from a female body. Enter Roe v. Wade.
You take medicine to promote the body's health. The pill is not intended for the health of the body but to frustrate a healthy process in the body. Popular opinion is that a robust sex life is more important than promoting the natural health of the female body. Not only has this mentality harmed the female body but it has also caused chemically induced reproductive problems and the advent of in-vitro fertilization to solve them. Not to mention a sexualizing of the female person. Girls gone Wild.
We have to answer a philosophical question...what is life? Scientist have found the soul...or at least the chemical in our brain that makes us conscious and dream (DMT)
and that isn't produced in the fetus until the fourth month of gestation before hand it's just as alive as cum ....no awareness no soul
1984killlies2012 2 years ago
my biggest fear on the subject is that every pro-life nutbag will turn into the crazy bastards of the west bro baptist church.
fukiu45 2 years ago
yeah they are not a nice group
1984killlies2012 2 years ago
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So when 2 gametes meet and join together producing a new human organism with 2 sets of 23 chromosomes and DNA that is separate from the DNA of the mother. You don't think that's a human life?
The fact that you can facilitate conception in a petri dish, grow that human in a cow uterus, and still have a human should be proof enough that you were you at conception and not implantation. Your gender, race, hair and eye color were all determined at conception not implantation.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
It is illogical to verbally change the definition of when a human becomes a human according to stages of structural development. One characteristic that all humans have in common through all stages of life is cell division. From the moment you were conceived you were a living human organism that began dividing your cells. Your humanity is not dependent on geographic location in a woman's body. Nor are you less human for being less developed. Puberty is another stage in human development.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
A law must be in accord with the reality of nature or else it is a bad law. Laws in favor of slavery were bad laws because it is impossible for a person's free will to be dependent upon the will of another person. You can't buy the ability to own another person's free will. You can make an erroneous law that supports such action. A law that is not grounded in reality. But the law falls short regardless of how many people approve of the law.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
With regard to abortion, a woman's rights end where another human being begins. It is not her DNA. It is not her body. It is not her so called "choice". Otherwise the we have to reclassify the female person who is pregnant and say that a woman has 4 sets of 23 chromosomes and 2 sets of DNA. It's just not true in reality. At conception there is a new human being on this earth. A sperm is 1 set of 23 chromosomes and an egg is also 1 set. Humans have 2 sets of 23, not 4 sets.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
Finally, your exact words were that "life starts when the embryo attaches to the uterus and starts growing". This is an erroneous statement because in fact, the human has begun growing from the moment of conception. By the time the human implants, its cells have already divided many times. You become a blastocyst before you implant in your mother's uterus. It's typically 5 days after conception that you form into a blastocyst, and you still aren't implanted yet.
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KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
Right, but aren't most conceptions "naturally aborted" because they don't implant? It's "illogical" to define life by potential to implant. Nature prevents our pregnancy to conception ratio from being 100%, because 10% (or whatever it is) yields a better survival rate for the species, due to women being more valuable than just being constant baby carriers. A birth control technology that prevents implantation, like a "morning after pill" is not an abortion in my book.
TheJoeyPantoShow 2 years ago
"aren't most conceptions..."
I believe there is a misunderstanding between several key elements here. You need to understand what "Fecundity" is and how often the female body produces a gamete that can join with a male gamete. Women can only get pregnant inside a window of opportunity during the month.
You also use the term "constant baby carriers". What do you mean? Do you understand the biological dynamics of pregnancy, fertility, and fecundity?
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
"naturally aborted". Are you talking about a miscarriage? Don't be fooled by doing a google search on the word "miscarriage" and seeing a bunch of sites calling it a "spontaneous abortion" Abortion is a procedure. Miscarriage is an event. Abortion is willfully intended. Miscarriage is not willfully intended otherwise it would be a form of abortion. It is paramount that you are specific in your terminology here because we are talking about human life.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
The morning after pill doesn't cause a miscarriage, it is an introduction of chemicals to a woman's body that is meant to subvert the natural process of implantation.
You are chemically frustrating a natural biological process. It is not healthy for the woman. It is not natural. It is a willfully committed act done to exact a certain end, to exterminate a growing human organism.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
Contraception is not a difficult concept. Man does not approve of the way nature designed the female reproductive system. Man tries to chemically alter the female reproductive system. Since there are so many variables involved in this natural process, man can't account for all of them and so his contraceptives fail. Since his contraceptives fail, man thinks he should be able to use medical instruments to evacuate the growing human from a female body. Enter Roe v. Wade.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
You take medicine to promote the body's health. The pill is not intended for the health of the body but to frustrate a healthy process in the body. Popular opinion is that a robust sex life is more important than promoting the natural health of the female body. Not only has this mentality harmed the female body but it has also caused chemically induced reproductive problems and the advent of in-vitro fertilization to solve them. Not to mention a sexualizing of the female person. Girls gone Wild.
KrestaInTheAfternoon 2 years ago
i hate u
GLADE1312 2 years ago