So if I want to be a personality-less mannequin, I should shop old navy? Thanks to this brilliant marketing, I will never, ever shop at old navy again.
In the end,negative comments don't matter at all.Standing for goodness and Christianity is what matters most.Even if alotta people have lost their way/don't
care.Love is a Sweet thing and can help direct you back home:^)!
To hell with this commercial. It's not as catchy as the one that included the names of other winter celebrations. Happy Winter Solstice, even though AFA should have been sued for evangelizing. Their argument was horrible and Gap should have not backed down from their weak boycott.
Still laughing that the "merry christmas" types are depicted as fake, non-humans. Plastic mannequins. Ha! Oh, and be sure to have a non-specific, generic, warm-n-fuzzy jolly holly-day, including any myths and/or superstitions about virgins giving birth if you so choose, but such is not mandatory, of course.
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There are myths associated with Christmas, unfortunately, but much of that revolves around the "Santa Clause" tradition that has had many falsehood attachments added in.The devil is a liar, and flying reindeer, and northpole "elves" have been introduced to countless children and dubbed as part of the Christmas celebration. It is sad that many children who are told these lies, often will doubt the Scriptures because of their parent's &/or trusted adult's failure to speak the truth of "Santa".
"The devil is a liar" so why do you cede "him" any power at all? It's all made up myths, all meant to control people. Just remember to have a jolly happy holly-day, warm and fuzzy and non-threatening, all feel-good, li'l baby and whatnot and all. "Santa" is myth, so is "Jesus".
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The Holy Word of God give testimony of the Son of God. You are a fool to think Jesus Christ is a "myth". It may be that you have heard of "another Jesus" which is not the same as the Scriptures testify of.
I was not a "li'l baby" when I was converted, but I was a thirty year old man crying out to God to save me from my sins. It is only by the grace of God that I can be forgiven and walk in right paths and turn away from my sins. The truth makes free. Jesus is the TRUTH!
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2Co11:2-4For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:for I have espoused you to one husband,that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.But I fear,lest by any means,as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,whom we have not preached,or if ye receive another spirit,which ye have not received,or another gospel,which ye have not accepted,ye might well bear with him.
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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
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Jesus isn't a myth just because you want him to be, you know.
The "Santa Claus" of modern culture is an amalgamation of many things, including real people like the so-called Saint Nicholas and the genius of a long-dead Coca-Cola marketing guy.
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well first of all jesus will not be proud he just loves and cries. god forbids his children from being proud and taking pride in what we do in our lives (it reads just that in the old testament)
So, millions of people in the world are starving. AIDS still runs rampant in parts of the globe. Wars are being fought over people's right to freedom. And this is what Christians have decided to focus on: Old Navy sorta-saying Merry Christmas. Good job, everyone. I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
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cruelfeline,
You are welcome to your opinion, obviously. but people HAVE GOT TO STOP ACTING AS THOUGH BEING INVOLVED IN ONE ACTION MEANS THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANOTHER!!! Sheesh. Being angry about companies that want us to spend our money on Christmas gifts and decor at their store but won't say Christmas, and being pleased when they do acknowledge Christmas does not say ONE THING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER about a persons involvement in various charities.
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Oh, we focus on all that stuff. Broad attention, doncha know.
Anyway, the mandate was to make disciples of all nations so that as many as possible may be saved, and we're doing that. Fixing all the world's problems would matter little if everybody were to burn later on, after all. The AFA does what it can to help.
The AFA is nothing but a front to fleece the flock of funds, nothing more. Find something that gets the little old ladies in a dither and they'll send off a check so Donny "Neckwattles" Wildmon will fight the bogeyman, meanwhile Donny, et al., jet around the world in lavish luxury. Yeah, the AFA does what it can to help itself to the cookie jar.
(cont.) But when the American Family Association decided to boycott your store because they thought you were, to quote them, "disrespecting" Christmas by associating it with holidays of other spiritual practices, you caved. Apparently showing respect for other cultures is disrespectful to the bigots at the AFA, but you could have at least taken some sort of stand. Disgusting.
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These are corporate execs. They're in the business for money. This is why boycotts work. Integrity is best left to churches, charities, and other nonprofits.
Pathetic. This will probably be removed by the video poster, but oh well.
Way to crack under pressure, Gap. Your first holiday commercial this year with the chanting dancers (as obnoxious as I thought it was) promoted all winter season holidays, including Christmas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa.
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Great to see that they actually said MERRY CHRISTMAS. What is this phobia about saying these two words when it's still a federal holiday and December 25th is what it is...the birth of Christ.
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First off, it's Christmas and should be treated as so. Second: It has become too commercialized. Third: Is Old Navy that cheap that they can't use real people?, using dummies is demeaning to the cause of this fight. Fourth: It keeps their pockets lined with more cash to fund their lavish lifestyle with cloths made in CHINA not in the U.S.A. (700% markup by the way). They really need to fire the retard who comes up with those useless cheap crappy commericals. Shame on you Old Navy.
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I don't care that they used it in a ad. I only care if its 'BANNED' from the store. Makes no sense to ban the name of the holiday. Weather you are a Christian or not its called Christmas and has been for a long time why change it now? We don't randomly ban the name of other holidays do we? We don't go change the name of a other religious holidays. There still marked on the calender normal.
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What a retard. If you are a Christian or not you would know that its celebrated as his birth. If you don't believe in it then how can you say Jesus hates it? According to Christianity thats when his birth was. If you want to argue its all a lie then you don't believe in the entire bible i guess? If you don't believe in it at all then shut up because you don't know what your talking about. Learn about something before trying to say its all a lie.
LOL, YOU call me a retard???? You actually think it says that Jesus was born on Dec. 25 in the bible!!? WRONG.
You are the one who has no clue what they are talking about. The bible doesn't even mention for anyone to celebrate Jesus's birth at all.
Christmas is nothing but a materialistic, profit making scheme where parents feel guilty if they don't go in to debt to buy their already spoiled children a bunch of worthless junk. With a bunch of pagan crap thrown in to add insult to injury.
I assume you don't know any thing about the bible. So you don't celebrate His birth at all? Even if it wasn't His REAL DOB its still the time its celebrated. Its like many other holidays that aren't not the day they happened but we are celebrating them.
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Erm, the mannequins appear to be part of a GAP marketing campaign. Not including them would deprive the ad of the momentum generated by the campaign and it would not be as effective.
How have they outsmarted Christians? Goal was to remove non-Christmas celebrations from the ad, and that's what happened.
We don't know Jesus' actual birthday, and this way people keep their celebrations! Win win.
Why would Jesus hate His birthday, and its representing the salvation of the human race?
Happy warm-fuzzy December holidays of a non-specific, general and inoffensive, unreligious variety to all, especially the fake mannequin "Christians".
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While everyone here can celebrate being able to hear Merry Christmas from a corporate ad, how about we also take some time to pray for the world. And pray that none of your places of worship ever have to experience a suicide bomber like those folks in Pakistan did yesterday. You think to yourself it was just a mosque, but whose to say next time, they target a sister church, or missionaries in the field. Pray that children everywhere are able to keep warm and have enough food to eat. Just pray.
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Gap has heard you loud and clear. After thousands of phone calls, emails and petitions, Gap has just released a very "Merry Christmas" television commercial.
On November 28, Gap's Old Navy division broadcast a television commercial featuring its "Supermodelquins" proudly cheering "Merry Christmas," along with Christmas trees, lights and ornaments.
I think the manufacturer will do whatever it takes to make money. Just wait two weeks for the kwanza ad to come out. Eventually there will be muslim advertisements as soon as the american population is brainwashed that the muslims (religion) are o.k.
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@crashgrab - We celebrate Christmas by giving gifts to our friends and loved ones because God gave us the greatest gift of all with the birth of his Son, Jesus. Jesus IS the reason for the season. I'm glad Gap and Old Navy listened to the people. Thank you AFA!
2,000 years after Christ's birth, this is what the movement Jesus started has come to: a bunch of his followers watching TV, cheering for ice-skating mannequins who just now sorta-kinda said his name, in their own crusade to sell fleece clothing for dogs and children. This is the front line of Christianity.
A lot of the fuss is due to a Christian organization's boycott of Gap until they started using the word "Christmas". They link to this video as proof of the boycott's success.
You should read it direct from the AFA site. Google "afa boycott"--it'll be near the top.
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There's nothing like a religious discussion to bring out the idiots. I tell praestant "spoken like a true athiest", he responds by calling me a hypocrite. Does that make any sense? Then he calls me a "religious fundamentalist" Did I say anything about being religious? Scroll down and look at all the comments he's made. My guess is he is a 50 something formerly abused child, minimum wage, just-looking-for-a-fight, carnival worker who spends all his disposable income on recreational medications.
It must be disheartening if your faith is so weak that it's threatened by a lack of endorsement in retail advertisements. Also, congratulations on AFA on spending time and money tackling the important social ills. I guess all the children of the world have been clothed and fed.
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There is some truth to your backhanded complement, but I'm not sure you fully understand. Christians and people of faith give more money and time than any other group of people. This is not an either/or choice. It is a part of who most Christians are.
Flip side is most Christians don't care what Gap does. I venture to guess that most understand that Christmas is about the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It isn't about hoodies, no matter what Gap wants you to believe.
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No, not really. See, ads are a communications medium. Getting one to carry your message -and not your enemy's- is a help, in this case a blow against the insane PC factions of our society.
The AFA exists to help organize people to help change society. In this case, to try to stem the subtle de- and anti-Christianization of things. When faith is the only salvation from eternal damnation, this stuff becomes very important.
No point in making the world a better place to go to Hell from, is there?
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Amazing that it's Christianity that is SOLELY responsible for the holiday season and yet there's people out there who refuse to acknowledge that, yet want to make money off it. So sad that we have to 'reign' those corporations in and remind them why their sales goes up in Dec. Thank God, there are finally groups that have organized to let Christian traditionalists voices be heard! Amen..and MERRY CHRISTMAS, AMERICA!
What I want to know is why it took so long to switch back? 90% of Americans are gonna say "Merry Christmas".That counts people that believe in God and most Athiesis'.Who's gonna hurt you more?? 90% or 10%.
WWII - You know, the Jews are only a certain percentage of people. We'll let Hitler BURN them. Because "who's gonna hurt you more"? The 90% of Christians or the 10% of Jews?
A few hundred years ago - 90% of Americans are not Black. Since only 10% of Americans are Black let's KEEP slavery. "Who's gonna hurt you more?"
When I talk about hurting,I'm talking about hurting The Gap,Old Navy etc. 90% of Americans want to hear "Merry Christmas" not "Happy Holidays". That 90% not shopping there will hurt them more than the 10% not shopping there. I think your trying to find something in my comments that is'nt there!
What I'm saying is your "majority rules" mentality can be corruptive. Even if it is just about economics.
Companies shouldn't do something just because it'll otherwise hurt their profits. They should do something because it's what's right. Because if the opposite were true, slavery, a VERY profitable institution, would still be legal.
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Yes,and the right thing to do is say "Merry Christmas"!! We've been saying it for CENTURIES!! But because of political correctness,the libs want everything to be different.
Yeah, and Gap INC wrote that letter to AFA because it was the right thing to do. Please. They didn't have an "ah-ha!" moment, they want your silly Christian dollars.
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And we want them to refrain from saying that one faith/tradition is as good as any other. It would be nice if they acted out of the goodness of their corporate little hearts, but this will do for now. A war is won in battles, not all at once.
Villain68, does it matter what you do or what others do? If you're a shopper, no one can stop you from saying Merry Christmas to someone. Who cares what corporations do?
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No, but considering I only set up a nativity scene during Christmas and know the real meaning of it,it's nice to hear a "Merry Christmas" when I go to a retailer than a "Happy Holidays".Since the moral decline in this world,everybody's trying to take Christ out of Christmas.
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Finally. Old Navy is realizing in trying not to offend anyone (by previously not using "Merry Christmas in their ads) they were offending a lot of Christians who celebrate Christmas. Everyone needs to quit trying to be so politically correct. It's Christmas for goodness sake. Get over it. If you want to go celebrate some other pagan holiday, go for it. But in the U.S., most of us celebrate Christmas. Good for Old Navy, even if it did take them a while to figure this out. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
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Thank you Dish Network for not being afraid of a small percentage of the population and actually saying "Merry Christmas". Seeing as it is a Federal holiday anyway I dont get why people who are miserable want to make everyone else miserable. I am switchin to Dish Network! Merry Christmas!
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Why the heck don't my comments post in reply to the comments I click "reply" to... no it shouldn't have been a wall-o-text, dear apotheosis who also took *3* comments, seemingly ALL to me, rather than mine which were replies to comments all no different pages. Stupid comment system. Must be developed by some anti-christ, god-hating, christmas censoring anti-american.
artistcolor- You are right, the one other holiday commercial they had used real people. However, many of their other commercials used mannequins- not just the Christmas one.
I am a Christian, and it's good to see that Christians uniting got something done.
I think we would be foolish to get too excited about a non-Christian company falling in line... I mean, let's get real. Did they REALLY have a change of heart, or did they make a wise business decision to help them capture more money from Christians in a tough economy?
I think we can all answer that one honestly. Based on these facts, shop their if you want to. Don't do it to reward a smart business move.
american family raido lied! GAP INC has been able to say merry christmas since the season started! they lied they lied they lied! what else have they been lying about??? makes your wonder huh... i work in the hoildays for gap inc and i know for a fact we can say merry christmas or whatever you personal stand is! and we even have christmas music that talks about jesus! i mean really american family radio needs to get the facts straight! they're boycott did nothing!!!
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Um, MrDeafnproud, the fact that this commercial came out is a direct result of a strong appeal to GAP/Old Navy on the part of One Million Moms and other conservatives like myself. The boycott in fact DID work. Don't believe me? Check out OMM yourself.
AFA and the other right wing nuts want you to believe it's thanks to your efforts, so you'll send more money to them. AFA thinks they nearly bankrupted Ford with their boycott, yet Ford was the only US automaker who didn't need the gov't bailout. Think about it. Oops, right wingers don't think, do they!
News flash, pal: right up until a few decades ago, the sorts of people that you find in the AFA today were the average citizen in terms of their placement on the political spectrum. It's you left-wing nuts that have dragged the midpoint, kicking and screaming, towards yourselves.
ok well on our time clock u can watch all the adds on air and pre air... and its kinda funny that this one and a few more was on there abour 4 weeks ago... its was already made... sooo whatever info you got from one million moms is a load of crap cause i work in season i started season the end of october and we had or CMAS meeting and they said we can say christmas in october... like i said where your info came from i dunno but ads was made weeks ago... just not aired until after thanksgiving
just being honest.. i 100% believe that christ needs to be the center of christmas . but gap inc did in fact allow their employees to say christmast his year BEFORE AFA said anything! swear it! 100% and it really made i had ppl come in with other ppl to my store and ask about it and i'm like well listen to the raido oh what its away in the manager playing and afa said we dont do christmas.. made afa like dumb..i know many ppl who after they found out its a lie has stopped their support~ sad.
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Must I say " Opinion's are like @ssholes everyone has one. Can't believe how much 1 store can start up so much controveries to people But, know we Christian's see how much hatred there really is here in America . If you believe in God thered be no Controversie's. As,he who believe's in Christ will have everlasting Life. Amen !! God Bless and Merry Christmas Everyone !
um... is anyone else disturbed about how much fuss is being made over the commercialization of religion... rather... the lack of sectarian commercialization... "they're selling Jesus again..."
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Ads are a social force as well as a means to get people to buy things. In this case, the social force was directed to help redirect society from its relatively new anti-Christian course.
My Christian faith is my belief, between me and my God. No one can take that from me - it is personally my own. While I do not agree with Bible-beating people, I also refuse to hide my faith. People I work with... Christians, Jews, Atheists and New-Age folks all know my religion, and is it not a problem. The problem comes when people use our differences as a means to argue and bicker, because deep down inside that is what they enjoy,and that enjoyment comes from accepting evil temptations.
I love atheist, and Christians, and Jews and Arabs. I love you ALL!!!
Sorry I am so happy. Funny commercial. Enjoy the reasons and the seasons people and remember I LOVE YOU ALL no matter what you say about me xoxoxoxoxoxo.
For a nation that is not "Christian", I find it odd that available statistics reveal that 78.4% of Americans consider themselves of the Christian faith, 1.7% are Jewish, 0.7%%- Buddhist, 0.6 - Muslims, 0.4 - Hindu, 1.2% are other faiths, including New Agers, 16.1% are unaffiliated, and 0.8% either don't know or would not answer the question. Sure are a lot of Christians in the USA, for it not to be a "Christian" nation.
There's a difference between a nation with a lot of Christians in it and a "Christian nation".
Do ANY of America's founding texts talk about religion - and I mean Christianity in particular? If you answer anything other than "No" you're shitting yourself.
And until there are laws that MAKE us do Christian things (say, "you have to go to church") then this is NOT a Christian nation.
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"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." -Supreme Court Decision, 1892 Church of the Holy Trinity Decision v United States.
There are no laws which force us to "do Christian things," yet this Supreme Court decision states that we ARE a "Christian Nation."
I like how you just totally bypass the Bill of Rights or our Constitution. You know, the things our country is FOUNDED ON.
If you want to start throwing quotes around, how about "as the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" from the Treaty of Tripoli.
Um... what does the Bill of Rights have to do with this? Please explain how I am "bypassing" them because I don't get it. Lol, "throwing quotes around"? That was a SUPREME COURT Decision; it was much more than just a quote. I only provided the quote so that you'd understand what the decision was.
In my opinion, a Supreme Court Decision means more than a quote from a treaty.
Get "MY" facts straight? Are you saying what I said is not a fact? If you are; prove that it's false.
Please don't act like Supreme Court decisions are infallible. The Dred Scott case, Bowers v. Hardwick, or Plessy v. Ferguson anyone?
The Bill of Rights/Constitution is important because it is what frames this country - it's what this country is all about. If it had stated that we were in fact a Christian, or even a religious country, your argument might hold some water. But it doesn't. The First Amendment even goes so far as to prohibit a national religion.
Just because some of our Founding Fathers were Christian it doesn't mean they meant for America to become a Christian nation or that that inherently means USA is a Christian nation.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood might have been a racist asswipe. That doesn't mean PP is a racist organization intended on killing minorities through abortions, or some other twisted conspiracy-ish theory.
And there's a difference between culture and what's Constitutional and/or lawful.
Christmas has been part of western tradition for more than one thousand years. It is also an official national holiday of the United States. Whats wrong with saying Merry Christmas? I have a lot of non-Christian friends celebrating Christmas too. Those radical left who want to ban the word Christmas are the real intolerant bigot.
I agree. As an atheist, I celebrate Christmas and it pisses me off just as much as the Christians when pussy retailers and other businesses are too scared to say freaking "Christmas".
motomom- they do have a commercial where they mention the other holidays. I thought it was a pretty neat commercial- but others were offended by it.
American is not a Christian nation- there are millions of people who live here from every religion. And most of them are not trying to 'take away' Christianity- they just want to be able to live their religion or non-religion without being put down or preached at by Christians.
Once you are identified as a Christian, you have athieist telling you about their faith or lack of, Muslims, Buddist....I have had a wide range of people witness to me.
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This nation's people have been predominantly Christian for its entire history, ergo it is historically a Christian nation.
We have no problem with other faiths, beyond them leading to certain death and damnation.
The problem here are the people who *are* trying to eradicate Christianity; they seem to have seized the reins of society, and we would kindly ask them to stop.
What's especially ironic is, the ones who are so gung-ho over the word "Christmas" are the religious descendants of Puritans and Protestants who would never have associated themselves with anything that ends in the word "Mas[s]" for its overt popishness or connection to Roman Catholicism. Yet another example of religious ignorance, but they'll deny it, just like the right wing has decided to take credit for ending slavery and allowing women's suffrage. Hypocrites!
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And funny how the Republicans of today aren't anything like Lincoln. Republicans today are the most offensive people in the nation, supporters of injustice, working to make sure corporations can rob people blind, and then blind them with products that the Republicans won't allow to be properly tested and regulated. Republicans = evil.
Actually, I would have been less offended if they DID mention all the religious holidays instead of the generic, PC Happy Holidays. However, the majority of shopping done this time of year is for Christmas gifts. They need to remember who their target consumers are. On a totally different subject--an adopted friend doesn't know exactly what day she was born on either, but still celebrates the day she was born nonetheless.
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Get over it Christ haters. Christmas is and has always been about celebrating Jesus Christ! You can TRY to neutralize Him, mock and ridicule Him, circumvent Him with other false gods, or hide from Him, but you WILL stand before Him one day, hopefully not on your way to hell! Merry CHRISTmas!
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AMEN!! I could not have said it better. Thanks. Acts 4:12, and Philippians 2:9-11, 15. God bless you and Merry Christmas, I also like to tell people to "Have a Meaningful Christmas."
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Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night... oops some atheist better change all our CHRISTMAS traditions before one of the 1% that is offended by it hears it. Kudos to Gap for finally using the word Christmas in an ad. Hopefully next year they will use it in there marketing like numerous other large corporations did this year.
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AMEN. Thanks so very much. 2 Corinthians 4:3-7 puts things in perspective so very well and wonderfully, as all the Word of God does. Merry Christmas and the Lord bless you now and forever. Praise Jesus.
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I want to say thank you to Old Navy for hearing the voice of the Christians all over this nation.
Like it or not, JESUS is the ONLY way and the ONLY true reason for this season.
My prayer is that the Church rise up and use our influence to see things like this change. No longer can we disengage from society! Rise up Church!!! It time to be a voice of righteousness.
People who think their religious superstition is superior to others are intolerant and arrogant. And uptight, too. There wouldn't be a "season" for there to be a "reason" without the crass commercialism that infests Christmas. Did you even know that the true "Christmas season" does not begin until the 25th of December and goes for 12 days until the Feast of the Epiphany? I know that, and I don't even celebrate it!
I've not problem with true Christians, but the ones who use their religious nutbaggery to push a thoroughly political line, those are the ones who are revolting, the types who follow AFA or FOTF. Why do these organizations exist? Because they can rake in the money.
A true Christian recognizes that the United States is a secular country. A true Christian doesn't pick and choose which scripture to follow only to then condemn another for doing the same thing. A true Christian does not worship an infallible inerrant book. For starters.
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I'm sure there are a lot of "Christians" who are okay with heaven but not okay with hell, who think there's nothing wrong with sprinkling a little Jesus in their life as long as they can still do/not do whatever they want, who think all roads lead to salvation. That infallible book would probably make them uncomfortable if they actually chose to believe its words.
An "infallible, inerrant" book is one thing, and one thing only: it is bibliolatry, elevating a book to the level of a "god," and that's something your infallible book forbids. Oops! It also forbids wearing fabrics woven of different fibers, and eating shellfish, but you choose to ignore those parts of that infallible book too. Such a cafeteria "Christian"!
That's a very convenient way for you to pick and choose what you want to follow. Or are you saying we don't have to follow the ten commandments anymore either? He fulfilled the law, right? Except by fulfilling the law he didn't take it away, at least that's how it was explained to me in religion classes. Fundamentalist religious myth is still just myth.
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Where did you take a "religious class"? Have you read the Bible? Is the Comforter abiding with you? Read John14:15-21. This speaks about those who are chosen out of the world, because the world can not recieve the Spirit of truth.
I said religion class, not religious. I hope you're more careful in reading from your idol, the "infallible bible" than you are reading most everything else.
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Sorry for the typo.Please forgive me for misquoting. As for the comment you made about the Bible being an idol,where would you get such an idea?When a person obeys God,they are showing love for God.The Bible gives the commands,and the Holy Spirit enables us to obey them, and Jesus Christ has given the example.
My question was to have you re-examine your views. Some people view Christianity incorrectly and assume it is just another false religion. Christian=disciple & disciples follow Christ.
So if I want to be a personality-less mannequin, I should shop old navy? Thanks to this brilliant marketing, I will never, ever shop at old navy again.
bergstromthesecond 1 year ago
In the end,negative comments don't matter at all.Standing for goodness and Christianity is what matters most.Even if alotta people have lost their way/don't
care.Love is a Sweet thing and can help direct you back home:^)!
faithsally 2 years ago
To hell with this commercial. It's not as catchy as the one that included the names of other winter celebrations. Happy Winter Solstice, even though AFA should have been sued for evangelizing. Their argument was horrible and Gap should have not backed down from their weak boycott.
VincentTheValentine 2 years ago 2
Hey all, have yourself a merry little X (as in non-specific, warm-fuzzy holiday type) mas!
praestant 2 years ago 3
I boycott Old Navy because their clothes fall apart in the dryer.
UnconcernedCitizen 2 years ago
Lol, it took a boycott for them to say Merry Christmas.
utuber586 2 years ago
Still laughing that the "merry christmas" types are depicted as fake, non-humans. Plastic mannequins. Ha! Oh, and be sure to have a non-specific, generic, warm-n-fuzzy jolly holly-day, including any myths and/or superstitions about virgins giving birth if you so choose, but such is not mandatory, of course.
praestant 2 years ago 11
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There are myths associated with Christmas, unfortunately, but much of that revolves around the "Santa Clause" tradition that has had many falsehood attachments added in.The devil is a liar, and flying reindeer, and northpole "elves" have been introduced to countless children and dubbed as part of the Christmas celebration. It is sad that many children who are told these lies, often will doubt the Scriptures because of their parent's &/or trusted adult's failure to speak the truth of "Santa".
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago
"The devil is a liar" so why do you cede "him" any power at all? It's all made up myths, all meant to control people. Just remember to have a jolly happy holly-day, warm and fuzzy and non-threatening, all feel-good, li'l baby and whatnot and all. "Santa" is myth, so is "Jesus".
praestant 2 years ago
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The Holy Word of God give testimony of the Son of God. You are a fool to think Jesus Christ is a "myth". It may be that you have heard of "another Jesus" which is not the same as the Scriptures testify of.
I was not a "li'l baby" when I was converted, but I was a thirty year old man crying out to God to save me from my sins. It is only by the grace of God that I can be forgiven and walk in right paths and turn away from my sins. The truth makes free. Jesus is the TRUTH!
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago
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2Co11:2-4For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy:for I have espoused you to one husband,that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.But I fear,lest by any means,as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty,so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus,whom we have not preached,or if ye receive another spirit,which ye have not received,or another gospel,which ye have not accepted,ye might well bear with him.
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago
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Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago
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Jesus isn't a myth just because you want him to be, you know.
The "Santa Claus" of modern culture is an amalgamation of many things, including real people like the so-called Saint Nicholas and the genius of a long-dead Coca-Cola marketing guy.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
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well first of all jesus will not be proud he just loves and cries. god forbids his children from being proud and taking pride in what we do in our lives (it reads just that in the old testament)
jillimac1 2 years ago
wow why do they use dummies instead of real humen
jillimac1 2 years ago
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jillimac1 2 years ago
So, millions of people in the world are starving. AIDS still runs rampant in parts of the globe. Wars are being fought over people's right to freedom. And this is what Christians have decided to focus on: Old Navy sorta-saying Merry Christmas. Good job, everyone. I'm sure Jesus would be proud.
cruelfeline 2 years ago 17
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cruelfeline,
You are welcome to your opinion, obviously. but people HAVE GOT TO STOP ACTING AS THOUGH BEING INVOLVED IN ONE ACTION MEANS THEY ARE NOT INVOLVED IN ANOTHER!!! Sheesh. Being angry about companies that want us to spend our money on Christmas gifts and decor at their store but won't say Christmas, and being pleased when they do acknowledge Christmas does not say ONE THING ONE WAY OR ANOTHER about a persons involvement in various charities.
theemeraldmartini 2 years ago
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Oh, we focus on all that stuff. Broad attention, doncha know.
Anyway, the mandate was to make disciples of all nations so that as many as possible may be saved, and we're doing that. Fixing all the world's problems would matter little if everybody were to burn later on, after all. The AFA does what it can to help.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
The AFA is nothing but a front to fleece the flock of funds, nothing more. Find something that gets the little old ladies in a dither and they'll send off a check so Donny "Neckwattles" Wildmon will fight the bogeyman, meanwhile Donny, et al., jet around the world in lavish luxury. Yeah, the AFA does what it can to help itself to the cookie jar.
praestant 2 years ago
(cont.) But when the American Family Association decided to boycott your store because they thought you were, to quote them, "disrespecting" Christmas by associating it with holidays of other spiritual practices, you caved. Apparently showing respect for other cultures is disrespectful to the bigots at the AFA, but you could have at least taken some sort of stand. Disgusting.
clintf 2 years ago 11
apparently sales > integrity
clintf 2 years ago 3
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These are corporate execs. They're in the business for money. This is why boycotts work. Integrity is best left to churches, charities, and other nonprofits.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
Pathetic. This will probably be removed by the video poster, but oh well.
Way to crack under pressure, Gap. Your first holiday commercial this year with the chanting dancers (as obnoxious as I thought it was) promoted all winter season holidays, including Christmas, Hanukkah, and Kwanzaa.
clintf 2 years ago 10
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Why should they promote all winter season holidays?
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harrisdesign 2 years ago
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I'm glad to see companies saying, "Merry Christmas!"
captaineothan 2 years ago
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Great to see that they actually said MERRY CHRISTMAS. What is this phobia about saying these two words when it's still a federal holiday and December 25th is what it is...the birth of Christ.
maria1125 2 years ago
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AWESOME! I am so glad to FINALLY hear the phrase Merry Christmas from them! Time to shop then!
nycpilot 2 years ago
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First off, it's Christmas and should be treated as so. Second: It has become too commercialized. Third: Is Old Navy that cheap that they can't use real people?, using dummies is demeaning to the cause of this fight. Fourth: It keeps their pockets lined with more cash to fund their lavish lifestyle with cloths made in CHINA not in the U.S.A. (700% markup by the way). They really need to fire the retard who comes up with those useless cheap crappy commericals. Shame on you Old Navy.
jillimac1 2 years ago
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I don't care that they used it in a ad. I only care if its 'BANNED' from the store. Makes no sense to ban the name of the holiday. Weather you are a Christian or not its called Christmas and has been for a long time why change it now? We don't randomly ban the name of other holidays do we? We don't go change the name of a other religious holidays. There still marked on the calender normal.
glamdring92 2 years ago
KAYLA MADE A VOICE
MegaArtGirl 2 years ago
Kayla was in this
aka theskype111
cerys120 2 years ago
They finally say "Merry Christmas" with a bunch of mannequins? Touche' Old Navy. You have out smarted dumb christians once again.
Dec. 25 is a pagan holiday that the roman catholic church called Jesus's birthday.
Who doesn't realize that Jesus hates christmas and everything it represents.
okvideos5 2 years ago 5
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What a retard. If you are a Christian or not you would know that its celebrated as his birth. If you don't believe in it then how can you say Jesus hates it? According to Christianity thats when his birth was. If you want to argue its all a lie then you don't believe in the entire bible i guess? If you don't believe in it at all then shut up because you don't know what your talking about. Learn about something before trying to say its all a lie.
glamdring92 2 years ago
LOL, YOU call me a retard???? You actually think it says that Jesus was born on Dec. 25 in the bible!!? WRONG.
You are the one who has no clue what they are talking about. The bible doesn't even mention for anyone to celebrate Jesus's birth at all.
Christmas is nothing but a materialistic, profit making scheme where parents feel guilty if they don't go in to debt to buy their already spoiled children a bunch of worthless junk. With a bunch of pagan crap thrown in to add insult to injury.
okvideos5 2 years ago 4
You really are a flamer i guess?
I assume you don't know any thing about the bible. So you don't celebrate His birth at all? Even if it wasn't His REAL DOB its still the time its celebrated. Its like many other holidays that aren't not the day they happened but we are celebrating them.
Wow you must be real Grinch?
glamdring92 2 years ago
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Erm, the mannequins appear to be part of a GAP marketing campaign. Not including them would deprive the ad of the momentum generated by the campaign and it would not be as effective.
How have they outsmarted Christians? Goal was to remove non-Christmas celebrations from the ad, and that's what happened.
We don't know Jesus' actual birthday, and this way people keep their celebrations! Win win.
Why would Jesus hate His birthday, and its representing the salvation of the human race?
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
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If a company is going to make money on Christmas, they should at least acknowledge Christmas. That's the point.
Tlea1015 2 years ago
Happy warm-fuzzy December holidays of a non-specific, general and inoffensive, unreligious variety to all, especially the fake mannequin "Christians".
praestant 2 years ago 3
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While everyone here can celebrate being able to hear Merry Christmas from a corporate ad, how about we also take some time to pray for the world. And pray that none of your places of worship ever have to experience a suicide bomber like those folks in Pakistan did yesterday. You think to yourself it was just a mosque, but whose to say next time, they target a sister church, or missionaries in the field. Pray that children everywhere are able to keep warm and have enough food to eat. Just pray.
silkstarlight 2 years ago
Happy generic, non-specific holiday of your choice, and/or non-holiday seasonal good feeling warm-n-fuzzyness.
praestant 2 years ago 3
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Gap has heard you loud and clear. After thousands of phone calls, emails and petitions, Gap has just released a very "Merry Christmas" television commercial.
On November 28, Gap's Old Navy division broadcast a television commercial featuring its "Supermodelquins" proudly cheering "Merry Christmas," along with Christmas trees, lights and ornaments.
ArticleTen 2 years ago
I think the manufacturer will do whatever it takes to make money. Just wait two weeks for the kwanza ad to come out. Eventually there will be muslim advertisements as soon as the american population is brainwashed that the muslims (religion) are o.k.
lovegraceanswers 2 years ago
What does crass consumerism have to do with Christ's birth?
crashgrab 2 years ago 5
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@crashgrab - We celebrate Christmas by giving gifts to our friends and loved ones because God gave us the greatest gift of all with the birth of his Son, Jesus. Jesus IS the reason for the season. I'm glad Gap and Old Navy listened to the people. Thank you AFA!
gobroncoes 2 years ago
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Wherever there is opportunity, there you will find a guy selling stuff.
Salvation -the point of Christmas- is Jesus' gift to mankind. It gets commemorated with celebrations and gift-giving.
Then some people decide that they like the gifting and partying but not the Jesus and the salvation, so they shift emphasis to what they like.
Next thing you know, the populace thinks that the gifts are the point, and the entrepreneurs latch on and WHAM! Instant consumerism extravaganza!
You're welcome :D
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
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MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!
SullyIsNotTheMonster 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas Charlie Brown
stormylane 2 years ago
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praestant 2 years ago 16
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Grow up!
Merry Christmas!
jabs307
jabs307 2 years ago
2,000 years after Christ's birth, this is what the movement Jesus started has come to: a bunch of his followers watching TV, cheering for ice-skating mannequins who just now sorta-kinda said his name, in their own crusade to sell fleece clothing for dogs and children. This is the front line of Christianity.
jondissed 2 years ago 9
Hey Jon, what you said is funny. I didn't hear anything about Christmas in this commercial but maybe I just missed it.
I do not agree that the existance of this commercial and the people watching it are the frontline of Christianity.
I really think I have missed the jist of this conversation anyway. It must've started on a previous page.
3girlsmom1 2 years ago 2
A lot of the fuss is due to a Christian organization's boycott of Gap until they started using the word "Christmas". They link to this video as proof of the boycott's success.
You should read it direct from the AFA site. Google "afa boycott"--it'll be near the top.
jondissed 2 years ago 4
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That's right Moron
Merry Christmas !
scottdaddy 2 years ago
Guys, this is pretty much Christmas jumping the shark.
jondissed 2 years ago 10
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BTW, everyone Merry Christmas!
canamm 2 years ago
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Anyways...... Kudos to Old Navy! I'll enjoy doing my Christmas shopping there this year.
tomdib 2 years ago
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There's nothing like a religious discussion to bring out the idiots. I tell praestant "spoken like a true athiest", he responds by calling me a hypocrite. Does that make any sense? Then he calls me a "religious fundamentalist" Did I say anything about being religious? Scroll down and look at all the comments he's made. My guess is he is a 50 something formerly abused child, minimum wage, just-looking-for-a-fight, carnival worker who spends all his disposable income on recreational medications.
canamm 2 years ago
Ooops, my bad. I should have called you ignorant, too.
praestant 2 years ago
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You did, moron.
canamm 2 years ago
The truth always bears repeating.
praestant 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas
canamm 2 years ago
Happy Generic Non-specific Holiday
praestant 2 years ago 7
Lol! That's funny.
canamm 2 years ago
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That's awfully unkind.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas - I love it!
Bumblebee12495 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas!
kjogar 2 years ago
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Awesome!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS
jsheld03 2 years ago
i read it "holiday in the hood" LOL
Quy4life 2 years ago 9
Lol! Funny.
canamm 2 years ago
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imissbrett 2 years ago
It must be disheartening if your faith is so weak that it's threatened by a lack of endorsement in retail advertisements. Also, congratulations on AFA on spending time and money tackling the important social ills. I guess all the children of the world have been clothed and fed.
jmheather 2 years ago 22
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There is some truth to your backhanded complement, but I'm not sure you fully understand. Christians and people of faith give more money and time than any other group of people. This is not an either/or choice. It is a part of who most Christians are.
Flip side is most Christians don't care what Gap does. I venture to guess that most understand that Christmas is about the birth of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. It isn't about hoodies, no matter what Gap wants you to believe.
mnvacation 2 years ago
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No, not really. See, ads are a communications medium. Getting one to carry your message -and not your enemy's- is a help, in this case a blow against the insane PC factions of our society.
The AFA exists to help organize people to help change society. In this case, to try to stem the subtle de- and anti-Christianization of things. When faith is the only salvation from eternal damnation, this stuff becomes very important.
No point in making the world a better place to go to Hell from, is there?
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
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It is just a shame that the only reason they're saying Christmas is for the money. I'll just continue to pray for them.
hzbld4me 2 years ago
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Amazing that it's Christianity that is SOLELY responsible for the holiday season and yet there's people out there who refuse to acknowledge that, yet want to make money off it. So sad that we have to 'reign' those corporations in and remind them why their sales goes up in Dec. Thank God, there are finally groups that have organized to let Christian traditionalists voices be heard! Amen..and MERRY CHRISTMAS, AMERICA!
cpkolenda 2 years ago
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Amen :)
OneCoolPr 2 years ago
What I want to know is why it took so long to switch back? 90% of Americans are gonna say "Merry Christmas".That counts people that believe in God and most Athiesis'.Who's gonna hurt you more?? 90% or 10%.
villain68 2 years ago
Do you have ANY idea how you sound?
WWII - You know, the Jews are only a certain percentage of people. We'll let Hitler BURN them. Because "who's gonna hurt you more"? The 90% of Christians or the 10% of Jews?
A few hundred years ago - 90% of Americans are not Black. Since only 10% of Americans are Black let's KEEP slavery. "Who's gonna hurt you more?"
WTF?
KrisKreations 2 years ago 5
When I talk about hurting,I'm talking about hurting The Gap,Old Navy etc. 90% of Americans want to hear "Merry Christmas" not "Happy Holidays". That 90% not shopping there will hurt them more than the 10% not shopping there. I think your trying to find something in my comments that is'nt there!
villain68 2 years ago
What I'm saying is your "majority rules" mentality can be corruptive. Even if it is just about economics.
Companies shouldn't do something just because it'll otherwise hurt their profits. They should do something because it's what's right. Because if the opposite were true, slavery, a VERY profitable institution, would still be legal.
KrisKreations 2 years ago 6
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Yes,and the right thing to do is say "Merry Christmas"!! We've been saying it for CENTURIES!! But because of political correctness,the libs want everything to be different.
villain68 2 years ago
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They lose profits they go outta business,and that means people are outta jobs and everybodies hurtin'.
villain68 2 years ago
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You got that one right! It's about the birth of the Savior of mankind-Jesus the CHRIST--mas.
Therefore..MERRY CHRISTMAS!!! :)
whomtheSonsetsfree 2 years ago
Yeah, and Gap INC wrote that letter to AFA because it was the right thing to do. Please. They didn't have an "ah-ha!" moment, they want your silly Christian dollars.
KrisKreations 2 years ago 2
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And we want them to refrain from saying that one faith/tradition is as good as any other. It would be nice if they acted out of the goodness of their corporate little hearts, but this will do for now. A war is won in battles, not all at once.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
Villain68, does it matter what you do or what others do? If you're a shopper, no one can stop you from saying Merry Christmas to someone. Who cares what corporations do?
crashgrab 2 years ago 2
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No, but considering I only set up a nativity scene during Christmas and know the real meaning of it,it's nice to hear a "Merry Christmas" when I go to a retailer than a "Happy Holidays".Since the moral decline in this world,everybody's trying to take Christ out of Christmas.
villain68 2 years ago
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Finally. Old Navy is realizing in trying not to offend anyone (by previously not using "Merry Christmas in their ads) they were offending a lot of Christians who celebrate Christmas. Everyone needs to quit trying to be so politically correct. It's Christmas for goodness sake. Get over it. If you want to go celebrate some other pagan holiday, go for it. But in the U.S., most of us celebrate Christmas. Good for Old Navy, even if it did take them a while to figure this out. MERRY CHRISTMAS!
ChristianAmericanVet 2 years ago
I want one!
linkx15 2 years ago
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I love hearing MERRY CHRISTMAS!
gonnhead 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas! (Now, was that so hard?)
lndani 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas, Old Navy!
SBQ9882 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas!
SBQ9882 2 years ago
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Thank you Dish Network for not being afraid of a small percentage of the population and actually saying "Merry Christmas". Seeing as it is a Federal holiday anyway I dont get why people who are miserable want to make everyone else miserable. I am switchin to Dish Network! Merry Christmas!
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snughabor 2 years ago
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Why the heck don't my comments post in reply to the comments I click "reply" to... no it shouldn't have been a wall-o-text, dear apotheosis who also took *3* comments, seemingly ALL to me, rather than mine which were replies to comments all no different pages. Stupid comment system. Must be developed by some anti-christ, god-hating, christmas censoring anti-american.
artistcolor 2 years ago
artistcolor- You are right, the one other holiday commercial they had used real people. However, many of their other commercials used mannequins- not just the Christmas one.
24jennrose 2 years ago
I am a Christian, and it's good to see that Christians uniting got something done.
I think we would be foolish to get too excited about a non-Christian company falling in line... I mean, let's get real. Did they REALLY have a change of heart, or did they make a wise business decision to help them capture more money from Christians in a tough economy?
I think we can all answer that one honestly. Based on these facts, shop their if you want to. Don't do it to reward a smart business move.
MrFoxRox2 2 years ago
I was under the impression the controversy was over their advertising, not whether or not they played Christmas music in their stores or not.
alid136 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas! And thanx, Old Navy for saying that n your commercial. Good job!
lizzabbott 2 years ago
american family raido lied! GAP INC has been able to say merry christmas since the season started! they lied they lied they lied! what else have they been lying about??? makes your wonder huh... i work in the hoildays for gap inc and i know for a fact we can say merry christmas or whatever you personal stand is! and we even have christmas music that talks about jesus! i mean really american family radio needs to get the facts straight! they're boycott did nothing!!!
MrDeafnproud 2 years ago 19
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Um, MrDeafnproud, the fact that this commercial came out is a direct result of a strong appeal to GAP/Old Navy on the part of One Million Moms and other conservatives like myself. The boycott in fact DID work. Don't believe me? Check out OMM yourself.
Aant0ni0carman 2 years ago
AFA and the other right wing nuts want you to believe it's thanks to your efforts, so you'll send more money to them. AFA thinks they nearly bankrupted Ford with their boycott, yet Ford was the only US automaker who didn't need the gov't bailout. Think about it. Oops, right wingers don't think, do they!
praestant 2 years ago 6
News flash, pal: right up until a few decades ago, the sorts of people that you find in the AFA today were the average citizen in terms of their placement on the political spectrum. It's you left-wing nuts that have dragged the midpoint, kicking and screaming, towards yourselves.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
New flash: AFA types are dying off at a rapid pace, Don Wildmon has been dead from the neck up for decades. You're on the way out, give up already.
praestant 2 years ago
ok well on our time clock u can watch all the adds on air and pre air... and its kinda funny that this one and a few more was on there abour 4 weeks ago... its was already made... sooo whatever info you got from one million moms is a load of crap cause i work in season i started season the end of october and we had or CMAS meeting and they said we can say christmas in october... like i said where your info came from i dunno but ads was made weeks ago... just not aired until after thanksgiving
MrDeafnproud 2 years ago 14
just being honest.. i 100% believe that christ needs to be the center of christmas . but gap inc did in fact allow their employees to say christmast his year BEFORE AFA said anything! swear it! 100% and it really made i had ppl come in with other ppl to my store and ask about it and i'm like well listen to the raido oh what its away in the manager playing and afa said we dont do christmas.. made afa like dumb..i know many ppl who after they found out its a lie has stopped their support~ sad.
MrDeafnproud 2 years ago 10
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MERRY CHRISTMAS ...!!!!!
voxmanx 2 years ago
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Must I say " Opinion's are like @ssholes everyone has one. Can't believe how much 1 store can start up so much controveries to people But, know we Christian's see how much hatred there really is here in America . If you believe in God thered be no Controversie's. As,he who believe's in Christ will have everlasting Life. Amen !! God Bless and Merry Christmas Everyone !
ampangel1 2 years ago
um... is anyone else disturbed about how much fuss is being made over the commercialization of religion... rather... the lack of sectarian commercialization... "they're selling Jesus again..."
granmadave 2 years ago 2
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Ads are a social force as well as a means to get people to buy things. In this case, the social force was directed to help redirect society from its relatively new anti-Christian course.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
My Christian faith is my belief, between me and my God. No one can take that from me - it is personally my own. While I do not agree with Bible-beating people, I also refuse to hide my faith. People I work with... Christians, Jews, Atheists and New-Age folks all know my religion, and is it not a problem. The problem comes when people use our differences as a means to argue and bicker, because deep down inside that is what they enjoy,and that enjoyment comes from accepting evil temptations.
wjalex4 2 years ago
That MFin' Jesus split time in half! Shiiii
I love atheist, and Christians, and Jews and Arabs. I love you ALL!!!
Sorry I am so happy. Funny commercial. Enjoy the reasons and the seasons people and remember I LOVE YOU ALL no matter what you say about me xoxoxoxoxoxo.
Have a great day!
Uchrst777 2 years ago
For a nation that is not "Christian", I find it odd that available statistics reveal that 78.4% of Americans consider themselves of the Christian faith, 1.7% are Jewish, 0.7%%- Buddhist, 0.6 - Muslims, 0.4 - Hindu, 1.2% are other faiths, including New Agers, 16.1% are unaffiliated, and 0.8% either don't know or would not answer the question. Sure are a lot of Christians in the USA, for it not to be a "Christian" nation.
laurie1684 2 years ago
There's a difference between a nation with a lot of Christians in it and a "Christian nation".
Do ANY of America's founding texts talk about religion - and I mean Christianity in particular? If you answer anything other than "No" you're shitting yourself.
And until there are laws that MAKE us do Christian things (say, "you have to go to church") then this is NOT a Christian nation.
KrisKreations 2 years ago 6
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"These, and many other matters which might be noticed, add a volume of unofficial declarations to the mass of organic utterances that this is a Christian nation." -Supreme Court Decision, 1892 Church of the Holy Trinity Decision v United States.
There are no laws which force us to "do Christian things," yet this Supreme Court decision states that we ARE a "Christian Nation."
Get your facts straight.
Nuff said.
KiaSofia1 2 years ago
I like how you just totally bypass the Bill of Rights or our Constitution. You know, the things our country is FOUNDED ON.
If you want to start throwing quotes around, how about "as the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion" from the Treaty of Tripoli.
Get YOUR facts straight.
KrisKreations 2 years ago 11
Um... what does the Bill of Rights have to do with this? Please explain how I am "bypassing" them because I don't get it. Lol, "throwing quotes around"? That was a SUPREME COURT Decision; it was much more than just a quote. I only provided the quote so that you'd understand what the decision was.
In my opinion, a Supreme Court Decision means more than a quote from a treaty.
Get "MY" facts straight? Are you saying what I said is not a fact? If you are; prove that it's false.
KiaSofia1 2 years ago
Please don't act like Supreme Court decisions are infallible. The Dred Scott case, Bowers v. Hardwick, or Plessy v. Ferguson anyone?
The Bill of Rights/Constitution is important because it is what frames this country - it's what this country is all about. If it had stated that we were in fact a Christian, or even a religious country, your argument might hold some water. But it doesn't. The First Amendment even goes so far as to prohibit a national religion.
KrisKreations 2 years ago 8
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YES, but it's distributed, and NO, they don't need laws for that, just culture, and most of the Founders were Christian.
There's a book you might enjoy, "The 5,000 Year Leap," that goes into all this.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
Just because some of our Founding Fathers were Christian it doesn't mean they meant for America to become a Christian nation or that that inherently means USA is a Christian nation.
Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood might have been a racist asswipe. That doesn't mean PP is a racist organization intended on killing minorities through abortions, or some other twisted conspiracy-ish theory.
And there's a difference between culture and what's Constitutional and/or lawful.
KrisKreations 2 years ago
Christmas has been part of western tradition for more than one thousand years. It is also an official national holiday of the United States. Whats wrong with saying Merry Christmas? I have a lot of non-Christian friends celebrating Christmas too. Those radical left who want to ban the word Christmas are the real intolerant bigot.
myhome1100 2 years ago
I agree. As an atheist, I celebrate Christmas and it pisses me off just as much as the Christians when pussy retailers and other businesses are too scared to say freaking "Christmas".
Slacktoo 2 years ago
motomom- they do have a commercial where they mention the other holidays. I thought it was a pretty neat commercial- but others were offended by it.
American is not a Christian nation- there are millions of people who live here from every religion. And most of them are not trying to 'take away' Christianity- they just want to be able to live their religion or non-religion without being put down or preached at by Christians.
24jennrose 2 years ago 2
Don't forget the other religions that preach to Christians who don't want to hear it either!
frugalwife 2 years ago 2
Well, honestly, I've never had anyone from any other religion 'preach' to me.
24jennrose 2 years ago
Once you are identified as a Christian, you have athieist telling you about their faith or lack of, Muslims, Buddist....I have had a wide range of people witness to me.
frugalwife 2 years ago
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This nation's people have been predominantly Christian for its entire history, ergo it is historically a Christian nation.
We have no problem with other faiths, beyond them leading to certain death and damnation.
The problem here are the people who *are* trying to eradicate Christianity; they seem to have seized the reins of society, and we would kindly ask them to stop.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago
I still find it humorously ironic that the "Merry Christmas" ad depicts the "Merry Christmas" folks as mannequins. They're utterly fake!
praestant 2 years ago 6
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Merry Christmas!! Happy Birthday Jesus...We love you!! Thank you for the many blessings you have bestowed to this beautiful earth!!!
aishcollins 2 years ago
What's especially ironic is, the ones who are so gung-ho over the word "Christmas" are the religious descendants of Puritans and Protestants who would never have associated themselves with anything that ends in the word "Mas[s]" for its overt popishness or connection to Roman Catholicism. Yet another example of religious ignorance, but they'll deny it, just like the right wing has decided to take credit for ending slavery and allowing women's suffrage. Hypocrites!
praestant 2 years ago
Guess what! Lincoln was... A REPUBLICAN! And guess what Lincoln did! He signed THE EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION! THAT FREED SLAVES!
Funny how that works out.
SonofPencilHead 2 years ago 6
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And funny how the Republicans of today aren't anything like Lincoln. Republicans today are the most offensive people in the nation, supporters of injustice, working to make sure corporations can rob people blind, and then blind them with products that the Republicans won't allow to be properly tested and regulated. Republicans = evil.
praestant 2 years ago
Actually, I would have been less offended if they DID mention all the religious holidays instead of the generic, PC Happy Holidays. However, the majority of shopping done this time of year is for Christmas gifts. They need to remember who their target consumers are. On a totally different subject--an adopted friend doesn't know exactly what day she was born on either, but still celebrates the day she was born nonetheless.
motomom28 2 years ago
Happy Mythrasmas!
thezpn 2 years ago 6
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Get over it Christ haters. Christmas is and has always been about celebrating Jesus Christ! You can TRY to neutralize Him, mock and ridicule Him, circumvent Him with other false gods, or hide from Him, but you WILL stand before Him one day, hopefully not on your way to hell! Merry CHRISTmas!
darinrush 2 years ago
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AMEN!! I could not have said it better. Thanks. Acts 4:12, and Philippians 2:9-11, 15. God bless you and Merry Christmas, I also like to tell people to "Have a Meaningful Christmas."
ColonialPetersen 2 years ago
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Merry Christmas to all and to all a good night... oops some atheist better change all our CHRISTMAS traditions before one of the 1% that is offended by it hears it. Kudos to Gap for finally using the word Christmas in an ad. Hopefully next year they will use it in there marketing like numerous other large corporations did this year.
npohlman95 2 years ago
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AMEN. Thanks so very much. 2 Corinthians 4:3-7 puts things in perspective so very well and wonderfully, as all the Word of God does. Merry Christmas and the Lord bless you now and forever. Praise Jesus.
ColonialPetersen 2 years ago
I agree we should have "Freedom Without Discrimination" to celebrate any holiday whether it's Ramadan, Hanukkah, or Christmas.
RebelsFury 2 years ago 4
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I want to say thank you to Old Navy for hearing the voice of the Christians all over this nation.
Like it or not, JESUS is the ONLY way and the ONLY true reason for this season.
My prayer is that the Church rise up and use our influence to see things like this change. No longer can we disengage from society! Rise up Church!!! It time to be a voice of righteousness.
PastorJohnLeger 2 years ago
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You're right, Pastor. We are called to be salt and light. Light drives away darkness. Salt burns in an open wound, but it preserves and heals.
Mark 16:16 - "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
John 14:6 - "Jesus saith unto him, 'I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.' "
Believe it, or not. If you don't, it is your loss.
Merry Christmas! Happy Birthday to Jesus, the Son of God and our Savior!!
MrFoxRox2 2 years ago
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People taking offense at "Merry Christmas" are extremely intolerant and uptight.
ericcarroll 2 years ago
People who think their religious superstition is superior to others are intolerant and arrogant. And uptight, too. There wouldn't be a "season" for there to be a "reason" without the crass commercialism that infests Christmas. Did you even know that the true "Christmas season" does not begin until the 25th of December and goes for 12 days until the Feast of the Epiphany? I know that, and I don't even celebrate it!
praestant 2 years ago
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praestant, I never said anything about superiority, although Jesus Christ said he was the only way to the Father (John 14:6).
I'm sorry if you've been treated poorly by Christians, in the past, but your response portrays the very intolerance and arrogance you speak of.
ericcarroll 2 years ago
I've not problem with true Christians, but the ones who use their religious nutbaggery to push a thoroughly political line, those are the ones who are revolting, the types who follow AFA or FOTF. Why do these organizations exist? Because they can rake in the money.
praestant 2 years ago
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I'm asking because I am curious: What is your definition of a "true Christian?"
ericcarroll 2 years ago
A true Christian recognizes that the United States is a secular country. A true Christian doesn't pick and choose which scripture to follow only to then condemn another for doing the same thing. A true Christian does not worship an infallible inerrant book. For starters.
praestant 2 years ago
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I'm sure there are a lot of "Christians" who are okay with heaven but not okay with hell, who think there's nothing wrong with sprinkling a little Jesus in their life as long as they can still do/not do whatever they want, who think all roads lead to salvation. That infallible book would probably make them uncomfortable if they actually chose to believe its words.
GregoryOrme 2 years ago
An "infallible, inerrant" book is one thing, and one thing only: it is bibliolatry, elevating a book to the level of a "god," and that's something your infallible book forbids. Oops! It also forbids wearing fabrics woven of different fibers, and eating shellfish, but you choose to ignore those parts of that infallible book too. Such a cafeteria "Christian"!
praestant 2 years ago 2
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uh, u must not know much, because that was for the Jews BEFORE Christ came and fulfilled the law.
alid136 2 years ago
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He talks a lot, but all the sword rattling is nothing more than overcompensation for the lack of knowledge.
A person that does not believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God cannot be a true Christian. It's an all or nothing proposition.
MrFoxRox2 2 years ago
That's a very convenient way for you to pick and choose what you want to follow. Or are you saying we don't have to follow the ten commandments anymore either? He fulfilled the law, right? Except by fulfilling the law he didn't take it away, at least that's how it was explained to me in religion classes. Fundamentalist religious myth is still just myth.
praestant 2 years ago 3
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Where did you take a "religious class"? Have you read the Bible? Is the Comforter abiding with you? Read John14:15-21. This speaks about those who are chosen out of the world, because the world can not recieve the Spirit of truth.
blueletterBible(dot)org
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago
I said religion class, not religious. I hope you're more careful in reading from your idol, the "infallible bible" than you are reading most everything else.
praestant 2 years ago
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Sorry for the typo.Please forgive me for misquoting. As for the comment you made about the Bible being an idol,where would you get such an idea?When a person obeys God,they are showing love for God.The Bible gives the commands,and the Holy Spirit enables us to obey them, and Jesus Christ has given the example.
My question was to have you re-examine your views. Some people view Christianity incorrectly and assume it is just another false religion. Christian=disciple & disciples follow Christ.
ReadPsalms1 2 years ago