@Erap1muzik The Father speaks in the Son Heb.1 in these last days, he himself spoke in times past by the prophets, how in divers manners, by his spirit. 1Peter says the spirit of Christ was in them, not the son, but his spirit, holy spirit. After Christ returned to heaven his spirit sent in his name, speaks as he speaks,his words,his presence in us.
So its a conceptual, like a speaker (voice), phone is the (receptor)
TRINITY IS A 3 GOD ABOMINATION!! WHO EVER WANTS TO BE A 3 GOD PAGAN WORSHIPER PLEASE CONSIDER HINDU OR GREEK MYTHOLOGY. LEAVE MY 1 GOD JESUS OUT OF IT.
@musicmusing Man, just realize that god cannot lie. He never explains this so called trinity. You know Isaiah says that Jesus is god. Remember Trinity was added by Constantine. Read Galatians 1:7-9 if any angel or MAN preach a different message. Let him be accursed. Constantine added to the bible. Trinity is not even in the bible.
@jiedialuren17 Amen to you to. Keep up the truth. 1 God Acts 2:38. Read Acts 14:1-2 it explains what these trinitarians are. They hear the truth but don't except it. So they go out to the world and deceive others to believe a lie.
James White said, Jesus had glory before the world was, then he later says Jesus emptyied this glory prior to the incarnation. You cant have glory before the incarnation and pray for the glory before the world was.James wants it both ways, yet its contradictoin, only as a man was he given the fathers glory, because he is the father existing as a man.
The wrong view: 4th century philosphers determine what the New Testament says and that cancels out the Old Testament revelation of God. Right View: The Old Testament must inform the new testament, and who cares what 4th century philosophers made up in a drunken brawl? Let God be true and every man a liar!
ONENESS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD IS, I CAN SAY HE IS A HE,NOT THEM.
HE IS IN SON, THATS HIS VEIL,LAMB,ARM,WORD,LIFE, SO MUCH SO, GOD CLAIMS HIM,AND HIS BLOOD. HE CLAIMS GOD. IF OUR GOD CAME TO SAVE US, WHO WAS IN CHRIST DOING ONLY WHAT GOD ALONE CAN DO, WHO DID CHRIST SAY DID IT? THEN WHO WAS BEING REVEALED? JEHOVAH-JESUS, OUR GOD EVEN SON.
@jiedialuren17 Oneness and Trinity are both one. The question is how is the one define. Oneness has to redefine God word to include Jesus, the Son of God or flesh where as the Trinity is literal. IE Jesus, the Son of God, said God forsaken in M28.19. Jesus knows God has left him, so who is Jesus at this point? 1. Empty of soul. 2. a man. 3 God. all with a God forsaken Jesus, the flesh or the Son of God, already.
My reason for showing error is love. Logically onenss is false. Jesus being God said he has Father, so Jesus has Father. If you say Jesus is his own Father, role, or half man/half God, then your theology is refining God word.
@MrHellowwww1 You have a wrong view of Oneness. True Oneness believers believe in the duality of Christ. He was 100% man, 100% God. We believe the man Christ Jesus is the Son of God. The begotten son, who is the only God we will see in heaven. God is a Spirit, and Jesus Christ is His express image. So who is Jesus' father then? The Holy Spirit or the Father. Jesus says he's the son of the father, but Matthew one says the Holy Spirit conceived Mary. So which one's His real Dad?
@JBoling33 Oneness and Trinity are both one. The question is how is the one define. Oneness has to redefine God word to include Jesus, the Son of God or flesh where as the Trinity is literal. IE Jesus, the Son of God, said God forsaken in M28.19. Jesus knows God has left him, so who is Jesus at this point? 1. Empty of soul. 2. a man. 3 God. all with a God forsaken Jesus, the flesh or the Son of God, already.
Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one anothe
13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. :::::::::
On this video James white mentions passages of distinction. It was a trinitarian author who wrote this had to be Jesus' humanity praying because if One God prays to another he un-gods himself. So when Jesus talks about the glory he had with the father, we must understand the foreknowledge of God. Jesus has always been, the Bible says Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever. It says that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. This verse cannot mean 2 persons
sharing God's glory up in heaven, that's absurd. He shares his glory with none other. For the Holy Ghost to be poured out Jesus who has always existed as the only begotten son in the mind of God from before the foundation of the world, had to be glorified as who he was. God manifest in the flesh.
@MrHellowwww1 Right, amen! But how can both baptismal modes be correct when the book of Acts 4:12 tells us there is no other name wehreby we must be saved. The Bible tells us that the name of Jesus must be inovked over us in baptism. Acts 2, 8, 10, and 19 show how the apostles baptized. Every single one of them baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Don't you believe that Jesus is the name of the Son? If so then you're admitting son is not a name, and are not baptizing according to matthew 28
@JBoling33 Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin.
@MrHellowwww1 Ok so let's talk about Elohim. Elohim is a UNI PLURAL NOUN. The reasons why those Jews believe in a trinity is because they were taught that's what Christians believe, or indoctrinated. Elohim is a uniplural noun, so it only means plural when used with plural verbs. Of the 2396 times it is used, to describe the one true God of Israel, it is used with a singular modifier, like in Genesis 1:1 Bara is a singular modifier. The reasons why the Jews crucified Jesus was he said he was God
@MrHelowww1 and every time elohim is used to describe more than one false god, it is accompanied by a plural modifier.Moreover, every time a new testament writer copies Hebrew from greek, or quotes an elohim verse to greek the word theos, the singular form of God in greek is used.
@JD2010CWS you do understand that they crucified Jesus because he claimed to be God, the very father. They were enraged and wanted to stone him because when Jesus said he was glad to see abrahams day, then said before Abraham was, I am, or ego eimi, the same words YHWH used speaking to Moses in the burning bush. The Jews don't believe Jesus is God because they don't believe Jesus is the messiah. They understand the scriptures like Is. 43:11, to mean the messiah will be Jehovah come in flesh
1 Timothy 3:16 says God was manifest in the flesh. It should be that simple. There are truthfully even according to at least the expert trinitarians 4 scriptures that seem to show a co-equal co-eternal trinity. Geneses 1:26, Isaiah 48, and 2 other places (can't remember them right now.) Those verses are really the ones that are mis-understood. The 2,396 scriptures that show God is numerically one are pretty straight-forward. God is unequivocally one.
Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. God has a purpose for everything, so these facts mean something
1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
@143whatsnew John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope,
@143whatsnew 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Matthew 4:3 The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."even satan knows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.hahaha if satan talking to the Father-(Jesus) i think satan will not temp the Father...cause satan knows the authority what the Father have.
Maybe I don't know what concept you are talking about. I do know the trinity of god being 3 distinct persons but 1. Which is an abomination. So tell me what other 3 god system ur talking bout.
@stonecold474. Right on! Jesus was telling them exactly who He was when He walked the earth too. The people were gonna stone Him for saying He could forgive sins---they said only God could do that--that's right only God can forgive sins. In John---Jesus says that He and His Father are one!
Bernard doesnt want to debate Mark McNeil. McNeil knows the pentecostal doctrine perfectly. He graduated from IBC as the best student of his class. Through study of the scriptures McNeil found that pentacostal doctrine was wrong. Bernard refuses to debate him because he knows he will find how wrong UPC movement is.
Very simple. Jesus was fully god and fully man. Prophecy of Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
@dieginho10001 No, no,no, no, no. Don't ever say both doctrines agree. My doctrine believes in 1 God Jesus. I will earnestly contend for the faith which was once giving to the saints. Jude 1:3
@dieginho10001 Trinity was added in AD in the Council of Nicia by Constatine. The Trinity was developed By Nimrod which contained Ishtar, Horus, and Nimrod.
GOOGLE NIMROD TRINITY AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE 3 GOD ABOMINATION CAME FROM
@stonecold474 hmmmmm bro you are mistaken once again. The brief description you gave about the trinity just proves that you don't even know what the doctrine of the trinity teaches. The trinity you are asking me to research is not the trinity trinitarians believe. Study what the real trinity is and you shall know what youre debating against. David Bernard knows it :)
So ur making God a liar because Jesus said to his FATHER in to ur hands I put my spirit and btw I don't believe in 3 Gods but believe in 3 distinct persons in ONE TRUE !! Also tell me why was Jesus praying to himself when he said into ur hands I put my spirit?
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Ok so if Jesus is the father son holy spirit and if he controls those 3 titles. Tell me, how did Jesus resurrect from the dead if he was dead on the cross?? If he is that one person that controls father son and holy spirit. He would not have resurrected because he was dat ONE person who died for US. obviously there had to be a different person that resurrected him which was THE FATHER!!! So the father son and holy spirit are 3 distinct persons but ONE God!!!
@God4l4l So, I am understanding your view of god now. You have 3 gods. Well sir,
I have 1 God and his name is Jesus. You explain to me over and over again that 2 plus
1 equals 1. I still don't understand that math because all you explain is you have 2 gods
and you never explain when this holy spirit guy comes to play. I'm not the smartest math man but I was always taught 2 + 1 = 3. There for sir you have
@God4l4l HOW CAN YOUR PERSON WHO IS GOD ,DIE YOU DEFEND PERSON MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THE MAN GOD BECAME IS WHAT DIED, NOT HIS DEITY, IN HIS DEITY HE RAISED HIMSELF. THE GODHEAD IS IN,IN CHRIST, GOD FULLFILLS ALLTHINGS, AND GETS THE CREDIT. THE SON SAYS J.5 I LIVE BY THE FATHER---SPIRIT, ALLTHINGS HE HAS ARE MINE,AND MINE THINE.
Jesus baptism. Very simple, god is omnipresent and present on earth at the same time. You're saying god is not able to do that? Refer to John 3:13 and Matt 18:20.
is explaining Jesus titles. Your trinity doctrine teaches separate persons. Notice in verse 7 of that chapter KJV only. The script says at the end are 1. The next verse
8 says that the spirit, water, and blood agree in 1. That means 3 separate things agree in one.
@jcs0118 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
LOOK the DIFF.
---->name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..
---->names of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..
@143whatsnew Well here's a question. If Christ be the Son of God, and also a part of the Godhead, would that not mean that He duplicated himself? I mean, define who 'God the Son' is, and where the difference lies between 'God the Son' and the Son of God
@jcs0118 THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ALL THINGS TO THE SON, THE ONE HE PROPHESIZED,BEGOT,RAISED,ANOINTED,AND INDWELT, THE MYSTERY IS ABOUT GOD NAMELY CHRIST, WHO IS HIS IMAGE,SPOKE HIS WORDS,REVEALD HIS NAME,THE EXPRESSION OF HIS PERSON,HE REVEALED GOD AND WILL DECLARE HIM. PRESENT TENSE... THATS ONENESS.
@jiedialuren17 I believe Jesus was literally the son of God. he never said i am the Father. The trinity makes more sense to me as it literally only teaches what the new testament teaches. Jesus is ther son of God, not the Father. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The holy ghost is God. there is one God. these three are one. Do you at least see why some believe the trinity? To me, oneness goes beyond scripture and forcefits everything without just letting all the scriptures speak
@musicmusing I used to believe oneness but many things don't add up. Like the son means the flesh. Where is that? The Son had glory with the father. Before Abraham was I am( the Son speaking). And when the Son has lengthy dialogue with the Father there is no `hidden clue` He is really only talking to Himself. The Son REALLY was God. He really did have a relationship with the Father (loved by the Father). yes one God. Father, Son and Spirit. these three are one.peace man
@musicmusing In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God. not a thought. God. I would rather read it as it is written, plain and simple, not trying to say it must not really mean that, it cannot mean that because it doesnèt fit. sounds to me like the Son was with the father in the beginning, and the Son was God.
@jiedialuren17 but to a trinitarian this also makes perfect sense. He is God, and reveals the Father. But He didn't say I am the father. Actually you need to read the rest of the verses. But you are entitled to your view also. i would not be divisive over these things.
@musicmusing Actually you need to do more studying. Isaiah says Jesus is the father.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
@musicmusing What you`ve read about Jesus being God is true, but you fail to see him speaking and teaching from a 3rd person point of veiw, but to his disciple`s he opened their understanding from the O.T. concerning him. The O.T. references were that of Jehovah, and his future role as son.
And the rest of JOHN 14 Jesus is COMFORTER, SO HE SAYS
I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU AS ORPHANS,I WILL COME TO YOU
hellow!!! the book of 1 john 4:9...john 3 :16..1 john 4:7-21 pls continue to read...that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father in heaven..and continue to read 1 john 5...give me your comment at this and pls don't urge me about every doctrine cause only one i trust and that is Jesus Christ for HE is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE no one comes to the Father except through Him(14:6)
im not expert of the word of God , i have no wisdom came from school but by the Glory of God He revealed me a wonderful thing how to serve Him fully and how to use the wisdom He gave to me...pls read this message of God at the book of 1 John 4:1-6....i believe every close eyes will be opened...the greatest commandment of God is to Love Him 1st.. and then our neighbors (Matthew 22:36-34)We are murderers when we do not love our brothers(1 john 3:15)be careful evry word that comes out in our mouth.
This person "sorens70601" has very heritical views. The person consistently forces their own words and meanings into whatever bible he or she uses. The person goes outside of Scripture to support their claim and points of views. You really have to question the person's salvation. I do not see how anyone can be saved by not having a love for truth. If I could, I would spam the person with this ID. It is sad this person lets satan use them to twist scripture just to be heard.
Genesis 1.26 and Isaiah 6:8 both use us. The Bible use Elohim ,Gods, in Hebrew (2300+) vs El, God, in Hebrew (200+) both with singluar verb. The Shema, d6.4, has 3 names for Gods in Hebrew for the first with 3 parts while Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Since Jesus is God, Jesus knows has he Father. God is not limited to place or person.
Are you serious, James white lost this debate by a long shot. Bernard gave you all the Scriptures and proved his points, while White only gave his opinions on how he viewed certain Scriptures.
if the trinity is true than that means that someday satan is going to accomplish something that God could not, trinitarians have no problem admitting that there is one satan, who is the father of lies, the spirit of iniquity who will one day become the son of perdition when he goes and takes up residence inside one man and that one man will be all of satan and he will have one name.
@Pilgrim1411 You are intitled to your opinion, even if it is a wrong opinion. Your fathers did not write Scripture, the apostles wrote scripture. It would do James White a lot of good, for himself, and for others he teaches, to get in the Word, and forsake the mere interpretations of men.
Oneness believers are king at creating straw man arguments. That's the only way they think they are dominant in a debates. When they finally go up against the real issue, they don't have a chance.
People seem to have a difficult time distinguishing the difference between "being" and "person". Also, saying "trinity" is not in the bible is a strawman argument. Of course its not in the bible , its just a term used to describe His nature.
God is ONE ! there is no trinity. theres no place in the bible where it says that god is three. Jesus is god. God is one. Christ is the answer. the lord is ONE! not three.
@TheElena1994 so tell me who is the one that Father in Heaven sent in this earth??even though trinity is not written in the bible,but there is prove that there is trinity,right open your eyes of heavenly understanding not your mouth of full of earthly wisdom,
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
@Scorpion391997 If you don't mind, can you give me the scripture that says what you quote "God Jesus and Holy Spirit Blessed trinity.." so I can share it with others? I am unable to find your quote in my bible.
I am a Christian, but I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine or Oneness. If you want to know what I believe is the truth, see my video upload, "Understanding God and Jesus"
The Old Testament (& Judaism believers 2Day Still Believe) promises aMessiah that Is GOD. Sooo, how did 3Ever come up? That right there sumwhat proves the trinity is not only false, but made up. Smh, Im Sayin.
And finally to you it is good-bye. No matter what you say I shake the dust off my feet. I am through with your blantant lies, lame interpretations, lack of understanding and ignorance. You think you're the real deal, if that were so there would be no hesitation for me to accept your 'trinity'. However you are far from it you may as well call yourself TrihardApostolic.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. Luke 21:12 KJV All because we understand the meaning of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit and are baptised in His Name. How the devil hates it.
I never mentioned anything about the tribulation. It is God's promise He will come before that and we will meet Him in the air. The blood of the martyrs has already been shed. The Vatican is not only built on the seven hills/mountains of Rome, the Vatican itself is built by the dissmantled stones of the colesseum that are literally soaked in the blood of the martyrs. And so are the churches that came out of her.
@jazzynthangz ...The Vatican is not built on Seven Hills, the city of Rome Is, But so is Jerusalem, and It is the
city, the scriptures is referring to , as is confirmed in Rev.11:8, calling it Sodom and Egypt. Next; christians were not Martyred in the "Coloseum", but in the "Circus Maximus", Next , the blood of martyrs will be shed in the last half of the future tribulation, as is clear from Rev.6:9-11. Your lack of knowledge on biblical issues, as well as your ignorance of History is obvious.
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Respond to this video... Revelation 17: 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
Respond to this video... 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. 7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
@TriuneApostolic HERE IS YOUR CHURCH Revelation 17 3...And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Respond to this video... Read my original request leave me alone WITH your stupidity. Say something with LOVE and INTELLIGENCE which you have failed to do. And I don't mind conversing with you. MY EMOTIONS YOU WANT TO CONDEMN ME FOR MY PASSION !! So be it !! CRUCIFY ME LIKE THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WHO STILL PROMOTE THE CRUCIFIX !! YOUR CHURCH IS FULL OF PRE-HISTORIC SATANIC SYMBOLISM !! IN ALL IT'S GRAVEN IMAGES !! I PRAISE YOU JESUS I AM NOT A PART OF IT !! HALLELUJAH !!
Respond to this video... WHATEVER DUDE !! I AM SO BLESSED TO BE BAPTISED INTO THE WONDERFUL AND GLORIOUS AND ALL POWERFUL NAME OF JESUS AND NOT JUST HIS TITLES !! WHATEVER YOU DO IN WORD OR DEED DO ALL IN THE NAME OF JESUS !! HALLELUJAH !! WOO-HOO !! I WILL SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOP !! WOO-HOO !! THANK YOU JESUS !! THANK YOU JESUS !!
@TriuneApostolic We were busy being slaughtered by your creeds until the 3rd Century and have been called heretics ever since. The triune god was invented to fulfill the insatiable lust of the Roman Empire/Catholic Church to worship more than One God and to continue in idolatry !! Go home to mummy cry baby !!
@TriuneApostolic To add to your woes I grew up in the 'trinitarian' doctrine, I received this revelation at Hillsong while I was reading a book written by Kenneth Hagin! I had to find a church to baptise me into the wonderful Name that made me free! You remind me of the atheist who claims the theory of evolution is science, the priest who tells me 'I don't care what the Bible saids' and my brother who prays to Mary (the eternal virgin) because he claims Jesus is divided!
@jazzynthangz ...Your so called "revelation at Hillsong", is nothing more than Satanic deception, and proves my contention for many years now , that "Hillsong" is an Antichristly creation to bring about the World Church of Lucifer.. Your "baptism" in Jesus's name, brought you into the Church of SATAN. Christ tells about your kind, in Mt.7:20 23, he said that you all will come before him and say, " Lord, lord, in Thy Name,(Jesus only) we have cast out demons, and done many 'wonderful works'...
...and Jesus will confess to you all,(you UPC and Apotolics) "I NEVER knew you". It is sad how the UPC steals the "sheep" , as they never seem to stop that practice. The Bilbe says, "Thieves" shall Not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Go read 2.Jn.9, and realize that you are "Not in the doctrine of Christ", therefore, you have Not God !!!
@TriuneApostolic Is that what you call it !! So where's your evidence I'm angry... are you just trying to provoke me with your nonsense, by being an irritant !! What on Earth are you boasting about... why do you commend yourself !! So Anti-scriptural you are !! 2 Corinthians 10:12 "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."
@TriuneApostolic That’s rich!! So you your allegiance is with the Athanasian Creed written in Latin (a dead language), which wasn’t introduced to most churches until the 6th century. Funny how you invent words & phrases that do not appear in the Bible to try and explain your doctrine such as; ‘trinity’, ‘triune’ (now there’s an oxymoron), ‘god the son’, ‘god the holy spirit’ and ‘The trinity itself is considered to be a mystery’ etc. Then wrestle with the scriptures to make it fit the creed.
@sorens70601 That proves not a thing. Isaiah 9:6 proclaims Christ as the Eternal Father. Please do not abuse that as the Trinitarians and Binitarians do. Christ should be worshipped as the Eternal Father. Christ=Father. End of discussion.
@Danielezerable ....No it's NOT the end of discussion, just the end of your closed mind, as you have demonstrated the inability to pass a third grade reading test. You cannot even begin to understand Isa.9:6, when you flunk the basic reading test I gave you. Go back to first grade, and start over, dumbo!!!
@TriuneApostolic consistently with reference to "the Father", combine to shape the proto-orthodox "binitarian" pattern of devotion. Jesus truly is reverenced as divine" (Ibid, pp. 605, 618).
...the "binitarian" pattern of devotion in which both God (the "Father") and Jesus are objects of such reverence goes back to the earliest observable stages of the movement that became Christianity...The central place given to Jesus...and...their concern to avoid ditheism by reverencing Jesus rather
@Danielezerable ... you obviously do not have the faintest idea of what you are talking about, or what you are getting into, discussing with me. I am Not "Trinitarian" as you suppose, as the Bible teaches a "Tri-unity of persons" in the singular Godhead. There are over 20,000 passages dealing with the "nature" of God, his atributes, and his person. You dumbheads do not understand these facts, because you all are "unlearned" in the word of God. Even yopur best "ministers", are to "brainwashed"..
...to accept the TRUTH. Just because the scriptures (correctly) declare that God is a Spirit, you dummies think that God is a "nothingness" floating in Nothing. You are not even smart enough to understand that angels are also "spirits"(only they are created beings) whereas God, as a Spirit, is eternally "self existent". But just like the angels, (who are "spirit beings") God, who is a Spirit, also has a "Spirit body", which houses a "Soul", and "Spirit". He has a face, ears, hair, hands, ....
...fingers, feet, he walks , sits, eats, and many other personal atributes and descruptions of a person, are attested to God. So let us see what John saw when he got to Heaven in Rev.4 and 5. (and by this , let us see if you understand third grade english, (or if you like all UPC cultist's, and pastors) fail the third grade English test. In Rev. 4:8-11, the two "firstfruit" orders,(the four living creatures, and the 24 Elders) fall down before "Lord God Almighty",(verse 8) and "worship ...
@Danielezerable ..Regarding your stupid "Masonic question", I have stated the bilbical premisr of Tri-unity, and will not dignify your stupidity with an answer.
...Him", who "sits on the Throne",(verse 10) as the 'Creator", (Verse 11) Now go to Rev.5:1, we find that "He who Sits on the Throne", is not an "im-personal force", but God the Father, (the Ancient of Days) who is seen as a Person with a "little book" in His right hand. Then in Rev. 5:6 we see ANOTHER person,(separate from the one who sits on the Throne) and He is STANDING, (not sitting) in the midst of the four living creatures, and the 24 Elders, and is Identified as a LAMB that was..
....slain, and this "second Person",(separate from him who sits on teh Throne) comes and "takes the Little book" Out of the "right hand", (look at the detail here) of "Him who sits on the Throne", then this "second Person", who is identified as "a Lamb that was slain", also "receives Worship", from these same two "firstfruit groups",(which identifies this "second person" as Deity) and these two groups say that He, ( the second person, has "redeemed them fropm every tribe, tongue, people, ....
...and Nation. (verses 8-10) Now ask yourself a question, how many individual persons did John recognize as Deity ? How many were worshipped ? Was one SITTING ,and a second person STANDING ? If your answers do not corespond to "Two persons" to the first two questions, and your answer does not confer with "one Sitting", and "one Standing", then you have flunked the "third Grade English reading test" and you are ready for the "funny farm", as yopu must be a LUNATIC !!!!
@TriuneApostolic If you're referring to the early church, you need to realize that the early church was more divided between binitarianism and oneness theology.
@TriuneApostolic Like I said leave me alone with your stupidity! How you like to make a rotten joke of a very serious matter. Your immaturaity disgusts me!
@TriuneApostolic Oh really ...you've become quite tedious and boring now. "Out of my belly flow rivers of living water." No wonder why you people receive an 'F'. Now leave me alone with your stupidity. I never met three 'persons' when I was converted and I still haven't neither did the Apostle Paul on the road to Damascas, so stop trying to introduce them to me!
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
@jazzynthangz ...Not only is that a "warped"understanding of scripture, it's a "warped" and twisted understanding of grammar. In the psalms we read; "A body 'thou' hast prepared for 'me', lo in the volume of the book it is written..." This passage posits Two persons, if you understand grammar. Ps.2:7 reads; "the Lord said unto me,Thou art my Son, this Day have I begotten thee..." Thou and thee, speaks of Christ, as is clear from the context, who do you think the " I " refers to ??? ....
....In Ps.22:22, we read; "I will declare 'Thy name' unto my brethren" . Again in grammatical context, two individuals are referred to, The "i" refers to Christ, and the other individual spoken of as "Thy name", refers to a second and separate individual. If you have trouble understanding this, write this post out on a page of paper, and take it to your local university, and discuss the grammatical context with the english Professor. Not only will he correct you, but think you are a moron.
the father speaks in scriptures and also does the holy spirit so is jesus a ventriloquist projecting his voice????..no!!! (glory to the triune God)
Erap1muzik 1 day ago
@Erap1muzik The Father speaks in the Son Heb.1 in these last days, he himself spoke in times past by the prophets, how in divers manners, by his spirit. 1Peter says the spirit of Christ was in them, not the son, but his spirit, holy spirit. After Christ returned to heaven his spirit sent in his name, speaks as he speaks,his words,his presence in us.
So its a conceptual, like a speaker (voice), phone is the (receptor)
jiedialuren17 21 hours ago
@Erap1muzik So you believe in 3 separate gods. That's all you have to say then.
stonecold474 10 hours ago in playlist Favorite videos
TRINITY IS A 3 GOD ABOMINATION!! WHO EVER WANTS TO BE A 3 GOD PAGAN WORSHIPER PLEASE CONSIDER HINDU OR GREEK MYTHOLOGY. LEAVE MY 1 GOD JESUS OUT OF IT.
stonecold474 2 days ago
@stonecold474 AMEN BROTHER
when people who are sincere, but have not the true revelation of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, they cant GLORIFY HIM in truth
LIKE: 1st and the last ,almighty,only immortal,invisible highest name in this world and that to come ,everlasting Father etc:....
jiedialuren17 2 days ago
@jiedialuren17 i dunno. you are the ones rejecting the deity of the SON
musicmusing 2 days ago
@musicmusing Man, just realize that god cannot lie. He never explains this so called trinity. You know Isaiah says that Jesus is god. Remember Trinity was added by Constantine. Read Galatians 1:7-9 if any angel or MAN preach a different message. Let him be accursed. Constantine added to the bible. Trinity is not even in the bible.
stonecold474 1 day ago in playlist Favorite videos
@jiedialuren17 Amen to you to. Keep up the truth. 1 God Acts 2:38. Read Acts 14:1-2 it explains what these trinitarians are. They hear the truth but don't except it. So they go out to the world and deceive others to believe a lie.
stonecold474 1 day ago in playlist Favorite videos
James White said, Jesus had glory before the world was, then he later says Jesus emptyied this glory prior to the incarnation. You cant have glory before the incarnation and pray for the glory before the world was.James wants it both ways, yet its contradictoin, only as a man was he given the fathers glory, because he is the father existing as a man.
jiedialuren17 1 week ago
The wrong view: 4th century philosphers determine what the New Testament says and that cancels out the Old Testament revelation of God. Right View: The Old Testament must inform the new testament, and who cares what 4th century philosophers made up in a drunken brawl? Let God be true and every man a liar!
JBoling33 1 week ago
ONENESS IS EXACTLY WHAT GOD IS, I CAN SAY HE IS A HE,NOT THEM.
HE IS IN SON, THATS HIS VEIL,LAMB,ARM,WORD,LIFE, SO MUCH SO, GOD CLAIMS HIM,AND HIS BLOOD. HE CLAIMS GOD. IF OUR GOD CAME TO SAVE US, WHO WAS IN CHRIST DOING ONLY WHAT GOD ALONE CAN DO, WHO DID CHRIST SAY DID IT? THEN WHO WAS BEING REVEALED? JEHOVAH-JESUS, OUR GOD EVEN SON.
1JOHN5:20 THIS IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
jiedialuren17 1 week ago
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@jiedialuren17 Oneness and Trinity are both one. The question is how is the one define. Oneness has to redefine God word to include Jesus, the Son of God or flesh where as the Trinity is literal. IE Jesus, the Son of God, said God forsaken in M28.19. Jesus knows God has left him, so who is Jesus at this point? 1. Empty of soul. 2. a man. 3 God. all with a God forsaken Jesus, the flesh or the Son of God, already.
MrHellowwww1 1 week ago
My reason for showing error is love. Logically onenss is false. Jesus being God said he has Father, so Jesus has Father. If you say Jesus is his own Father, role, or half man/half God, then your theology is refining God word.
MrHellowwww1 2 weeks ago
@MrHellowwww1 You have a wrong view of Oneness. True Oneness believers believe in the duality of Christ. He was 100% man, 100% God. We believe the man Christ Jesus is the Son of God. The begotten son, who is the only God we will see in heaven. God is a Spirit, and Jesus Christ is His express image. So who is Jesus' father then? The Holy Spirit or the Father. Jesus says he's the son of the father, but Matthew one says the Holy Spirit conceived Mary. So which one's His real Dad?
JBoling33 1 week ago
@JBoling33 Oneness and Trinity are both one. The question is how is the one define. Oneness has to redefine God word to include Jesus, the Son of God or flesh where as the Trinity is literal. IE Jesus, the Son of God, said God forsaken in M28.19. Jesus knows God has left him, so who is Jesus at this point? 1. Empty of soul. 2. a man. 3 God. all with a God forsaken Jesus, the flesh or the Son of God, already.
MrHellowwww1 1 week ago
@MrHelowww1 you never answered my questions. I answered yours.
JBoling33 1 week ago
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Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9 This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10 This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11 Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one anothe
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
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13 This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14 And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15 If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16 And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5 They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6 We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood.
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. :::::::::
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
On this video James white mentions passages of distinction. It was a trinitarian author who wrote this had to be Jesus' humanity praying because if One God prays to another he un-gods himself. So when Jesus talks about the glory he had with the father, we must understand the foreknowledge of God. Jesus has always been, the Bible says Jesus Christ the same yesterday today and forever. It says that the lamb was slain from the foundation of the world. This verse cannot mean 2 persons
JBoling33 2 weeks ago
sharing God's glory up in heaven, that's absurd. He shares his glory with none other. For the Holy Ghost to be poured out Jesus who has always existed as the only begotten son in the mind of God from before the foundation of the world, had to be glorified as who he was. God manifest in the flesh.
JBoling33 2 weeks ago
the apostolic pentecostal church is the only major denomination that truly baptizes according to Matt 28:19
JBoling33 2 weeks ago
@JBoling33 Even if God has one name, Jesus defined God as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Both parts are true.
MrHellowwww1 2 weeks ago
@MrHellowwww1 Right, amen! But how can both baptismal modes be correct when the book of Acts 4:12 tells us there is no other name wehreby we must be saved. The Bible tells us that the name of Jesus must be inovked over us in baptism. Acts 2, 8, 10, and 19 show how the apostles baptized. Every single one of them baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Don't you believe that Jesus is the name of the Son? If so then you're admitting son is not a name, and are not baptizing according to matthew 28
JBoling33 1 week ago
Why don't the Jews believe in a trinity?
JBoling33 2 weeks ago
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@JBoling33 Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin.
MrHellowwww1 2 weeks ago
@MrHellowwww1 Ok so let's talk about Elohim. Elohim is a UNI PLURAL NOUN. The reasons why those Jews believe in a trinity is because they were taught that's what Christians believe, or indoctrinated. Elohim is a uniplural noun, so it only means plural when used with plural verbs. Of the 2396 times it is used, to describe the one true God of Israel, it is used with a singular modifier, like in Genesis 1:1 Bara is a singular modifier. The reasons why the Jews crucified Jesus was he said he was God
JBoling33 1 week ago
@MrHelowww1 and every time elohim is used to describe more than one false god, it is accompanied by a plural modifier.Moreover, every time a new testament writer copies Hebrew from greek, or quotes an elohim verse to greek the word theos, the singular form of God in greek is used.
JBoling33 1 week ago
@JBoling33 Good question, why don't Jews believe Jesus is God?
JD2010CWS 2 weeks ago
@JD2010CWS you do understand that they crucified Jesus because he claimed to be God, the very father. They were enraged and wanted to stone him because when Jesus said he was glad to see abrahams day, then said before Abraham was, I am, or ego eimi, the same words YHWH used speaking to Moses in the burning bush. The Jews don't believe Jesus is God because they don't believe Jesus is the messiah. They understand the scriptures like Is. 43:11, to mean the messiah will be Jehovah come in flesh
JBoling33 1 week ago
@JBoling33 Yes I understand, thanks for the info
JD2010CWS 1 week ago
@JBoling33 Yes I understand, thanks for the info
JD2010CWS 1 week ago
1 Timothy 3:16 says God was manifest in the flesh. It should be that simple. There are truthfully even according to at least the expert trinitarians 4 scriptures that seem to show a co-equal co-eternal trinity. Geneses 1:26, Isaiah 48, and 2 other places (can't remember them right now.) Those verses are really the ones that are mis-understood. The 2,396 scriptures that show God is numerically one are pretty straight-forward. God is unequivocally one.
JBoling33 2 weeks ago
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Jews for Jesus, Zola Levitt, Dr Mike Brown, and many more Jewish/Christians believe in the Trinity. The Zohar which is Jewish talks about God plurality. Elohim or Gods in Hebrew, is used 2340+ and El or God in Hebrew is used 200+. Both Elohim and El speak of the God of Israel and both use a singular verb. The Shema has 3 names for God in 1st verse with 3 parts while Rabbi s pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. God has a purpose for everything, so these facts mean something
MrHellowwww1 2 weeks ago
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1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
>>not only paul
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.John 3:16
John 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.
John 3:36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him."
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
@143whatsnew John 6:40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."
2 Thessalonians 2:16 May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father, who loved us and by his grace gave us eternal encouragement and good hope,
-->PAUL is a Trinitarian?
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
@143whatsnew 1 Paul, Silas[a] and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: 2 Grace and peace to you from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
Matthew 4:3 The tempter came to him and said, "If you are the Son of God, tell these stones to become bread."even satan knows that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.hahaha if satan talking to the Father-(Jesus) i think satan will not temp the Father...cause satan knows the authority what the Father have.
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
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God only needs truth, so only logical and facts should support truth. God will give you the answers rather than believe a lie.
Jewish prospective below and Christian from east. both are logical with facts. Oneness is half truth and implied authority over God word.
A Jewish Christian Explains the Holy Trinity... on you tube This is Dr. Michael Brown
The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity ...... on you tube Ravi Zacharias
Three Gods in One?! Donate to Jews for Jesus Rich Robins...
MrHellowwww1 1 month ago
Maybe I don't know what concept you are talking about. I do know the trinity of god being 3 distinct persons but 1. Which is an abomination. So tell me what other 3 god system ur talking bout.
stonecold474 1 month ago
GOOGLE NIMROD TRINITY AND YOU WILL SEE HOW SATAN INSTALLED THIS 3 GOD ABOMINATION USING CONSTATINE IN AD INTO MY 1 GOD JESUS!!
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 Satan has introduced many abominations about three gods, 2 gods, 1 god, and no gods. Your comment is irrelevant.
dieginho10001 1 month ago
@stonecold474. Right on! Jesus was telling them exactly who He was when He walked the earth too. The people were gonna stone Him for saying He could forgive sins---they said only God could do that--that's right only God can forgive sins. In John---Jesus says that He and His Father are one!
Wideopenspaces2c 1 month ago
Bernard doesnt want to debate Mark McNeil. McNeil knows the pentecostal doctrine perfectly. He graduated from IBC as the best student of his class. Through study of the scriptures McNeil found that pentacostal doctrine was wrong. Bernard refuses to debate him because he knows he will find how wrong UPC movement is.
dieginho10001 1 month ago
Very simple. Jesus was fully god and fully man. Prophecy of Jesus.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of peace.
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 This scripture proves the deity of Christ. Something that both doctrines agree on.
dieginho10001 1 month ago
@dieginho10001 No, no,no, no, no. Don't ever say both doctrines agree. My doctrine believes in 1 God Jesus. I will earnestly contend for the faith which was once giving to the saints. Jude 1:3
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 my friend, read my comment again word by word.
dieginho10001 1 month ago
@stonecold474 I was very specific.
dieginho10001 1 month ago
@dieginho10001 Trinity was added in AD in the Council of Nicia by Constatine. The Trinity was developed By Nimrod which contained Ishtar, Horus, and Nimrod.
GOOGLE NIMROD TRINITY AND YOU'LL SEE WHERE THE 3 GOD ABOMINATION CAME FROM
stonecold474 1 month ago
@stonecold474 hmmmmm bro you are mistaken once again. The brief description you gave about the trinity just proves that you don't even know what the doctrine of the trinity teaches. The trinity you are asking me to research is not the trinity trinitarians believe. Study what the real trinity is and you shall know what youre debating against. David Bernard knows it :)
dieginho10001 1 month ago
So ur making God a liar because Jesus said to his FATHER in to ur hands I put my spirit and btw I don't believe in 3 Gods but believe in 3 distinct persons in ONE TRUE !! Also tell me why was Jesus praying to himself when he said into ur hands I put my spirit?
God4l4l 1 month ago
I will settle this 3 god abomination. PRAISE THE 1 GOD JESUS CHRIST OF NAZARETH!!!
1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
Ok so if Jesus is the father son holy spirit and if he controls those 3 titles. Tell me, how did Jesus resurrect from the dead if he was dead on the cross?? If he is that one person that controls father son and holy spirit. He would not have resurrected because he was dat ONE person who died for US. obviously there had to be a different person that resurrected him which was THE FATHER!!! So the father son and holy spirit are 3 distinct persons but ONE God!!!
God4l4l 1 month ago
@God4l4l So, I am understanding your view of god now. You have 3 gods. Well sir,
I have 1 God and his name is Jesus. You explain to me over and over again that 2 plus
1 equals 1. I still don't understand that math because all you explain is you have 2 gods
and you never explain when this holy spirit guy comes to play. I'm not the smartest math man but I was always taught 2 + 1 = 3. There for sir you have
3 Gods.
stonecold474 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@God4l4l HOW CAN YOUR PERSON WHO IS GOD ,DIE YOU DEFEND PERSON MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE. THE MAN GOD BECAME IS WHAT DIED, NOT HIS DEITY, IN HIS DEITY HE RAISED HIMSELF. THE GODHEAD IS IN,IN CHRIST, GOD FULLFILLS ALLTHINGS, AND GETS THE CREDIT. THE SON SAYS J.5 I LIVE BY THE FATHER---SPIRIT, ALLTHINGS HE HAS ARE MINE,AND MINE THINE.
jiedialuren17 1 week ago
I do not twist scriptures sir. I simply speak truth. However, you are adding to my doctrine with your trinity please refer to Galatians 1:7-9.
stonecold474 1 month ago
Jesus baptism. Very simple, god is omnipresent and present on earth at the same time. You're saying god is not able to do that? Refer to John 3:13 and Matt 18:20.
Jesus will explain to you there.
stonecold474 1 month ago
They are seperate but one GOD!! Jesus baptism clearly tells US!! Stop twisting SCRIPTURES!
God4l4l 1 month ago
Ephesians 5:20 again taking scriptures and saying God, and the father, and Jesus Christ.
If I put Holy spirit in there. It makes 4 gods.
Rev 4:5 Check revelation trinity believers. You have 7 more holy spirits. That means you also
have 7 more gods to deal with and explain. Praise the 1 God Name JESUS!
stonecold474 1 month ago
I saw that trinity people try to use 1 john 5:7. Here's a problem with that. If I was a trinity man.
I would have to acknowledge the Scripture Col. 2:2 explaining God, Father, and Christ. I would
have to say "Stupid Paul didn't put holy ghost in there." Uh oh if I add holy ghost, that turns into 4 Gods.
stonecold474 1 month ago
Thats wat da trinity teach that the father son holy spirit are one!! Lol ty
God4l4l 1 month ago
@God4l4l
1 John 5:7
is explaining Jesus titles. Your trinity doctrine teaches separate persons. Notice in verse 7 of that chapter KJV only. The script says at the end are 1. The next verse
8 says that the spirit, water, and blood agree in 1. That means 3 separate things agree in one.
stonecold474 1 month ago
Whats does Bernard mean when he says Jesus's manifestation is not eternal?
mrbianco1979 1 month ago
@mrbianco1979
Manifestation meaning his flesh that had to be sacrificed for our sin. The flesh had to die.
Same process as the sacrifice for our sins in the tabernacle once a year.
stonecold474 1 month ago
SATAN has appeared, click on my channel to see...
youneekk 2 months ago
The bible clearly says that there are 3 that bear record in heaven.
God4l4l 2 months ago
@God4l4l It also says, hear of Israel the Lord thy God is one
It also says that in Jesus Christ lies the fullness of the Godhead. If this is so, how can He be a part of the Godhead, when it is all in him?
jcs0118 2 months ago
@jcs0118 open ur bilble 1 john 4:1-3...and explain to me this!!can u??hope u can.. i need more clearly..
143whatsnew 1 month ago
@143whatsnew also for addition-->1 john 5:5
143whatsnew 1 month ago
@143whatsnew Also note, in Matthew 28:19, it said 'Baptising in the NAME...', not Names
jcs0118 1 month ago
@jcs0118 19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
LOOK the DIFF.
---->name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..
---->names of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit..
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
@143whatsnew Even if God has one name, Jesus defined God in M 28.19 as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Both parts are true.
MrHellowwww1 2 weeks ago
@MrHellowwww1 ^^Our FAther in heaven is Great for he gave His begotten Son Lord Jesus Christ...
143whatsnew 2 weeks ago
@143whatsnew I am yet to understand the relevance of this scripture. Intrigue me
jcs0118 1 month ago
@143whatsnew Well here's a question. If Christ be the Son of God, and also a part of the Godhead, would that not mean that He duplicated himself? I mean, define who 'God the Son' is, and where the difference lies between 'God the Son' and the Son of God
jcs0118 1 month ago
@jcs0118 THE FATHER HAS GIVEN ALL THINGS TO THE SON, THE ONE HE PROPHESIZED,BEGOT,RAISED,ANOINTED,AND INDWELT, THE MYSTERY IS ABOUT GOD NAMELY CHRIST, WHO IS HIS IMAGE,SPOKE HIS WORDS,REVEALD HIS NAME,THE EXPRESSION OF HIS PERSON,HE REVEALED GOD AND WILL DECLARE HIM. PRESENT TENSE... THATS ONENESS.
jiedialuren17 1 week ago
@jiedialuren17 I believe Jesus was literally the son of God. he never said i am the Father. The trinity makes more sense to me as it literally only teaches what the new testament teaches. Jesus is ther son of God, not the Father. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The holy ghost is God. there is one God. these three are one. Do you at least see why some believe the trinity? To me, oneness goes beyond scripture and forcefits everything without just letting all the scriptures speak
musicmusing 4 days ago
@musicmusing I used to believe oneness but many things don't add up. Like the son means the flesh. Where is that? The Son had glory with the father. Before Abraham was I am( the Son speaking). And when the Son has lengthy dialogue with the Father there is no `hidden clue` He is really only talking to Himself. The Son REALLY was God. He really did have a relationship with the Father (loved by the Father). yes one God. Father, Son and Spirit. these three are one.peace man
musicmusing 4 days ago
@musicmusing In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the word was God. not a thought. God. I would rather read it as it is written, plain and simple, not trying to say it must not really mean that, it cannot mean that because it doesnèt fit. sounds to me like the Son was with the father in the beginning, and the Son was God.
musicmusing 4 days ago
@musicmusing Only Jesus can open up scripture and use other scriptures as witnesses.
yes Jesus is son , but time and time again he says I speak not of myself but of the Father , or its the Father in me He doeth the works.
John 14 Jesus reveals the Father and Holy Ghost as him self.
Show us the Father... Jesus answers, HAVE I BEEN SO LONG TIME WITH YOU AND YOU DONT KNOW ME, HENCEFORTH YOU KNOW HIM AND HAVE SEEN HIM
THATS PLAIN, NO PROVERBS...
jiedialuren17 4 days ago
@jiedialuren17 but to a trinitarian this also makes perfect sense. He is God, and reveals the Father. But He didn't say I am the father. Actually you need to read the rest of the verses. But you are entitled to your view also. i would not be divisive over these things.
musicmusing 3 days ago
@musicmusing Actually you need to do more studying. Isaiah says Jesus is the father.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
stonecold474 2 days ago
@musicmusing What you`ve read about Jesus being God is true, but you fail to see him speaking and teaching from a 3rd person point of veiw, but to his disciple`s he opened their understanding from the O.T. concerning him. The O.T. references were that of Jehovah, and his future role as son.
And the rest of JOHN 14 Jesus is COMFORTER, SO HE SAYS
I WILL NOT LEAVE YOU AS ORPHANS,I WILL COME TO YOU
HES OUR FATHER
jiedialuren17 2 days ago
@God4l4l
And these 3 are 1.
You need to finish that scripture. None separate. I do not have a god with 3 heads.
stonecold474 1 month ago
........watch?v=pvnh-2BUI5o&feature=related)watch this at youtube
143whatsnew 3 months ago
/watch?v=pvnh-2BUI5o&feature=related)watch this
143whatsnew 3 months ago
hellow!!! the book of 1 john 4:9...john 3 :16..1 john 4:7-21 pls continue to read...that Jesus Christ is the Son of the Father in heaven..and continue to read 1 john 5...give me your comment at this and pls don't urge me about every doctrine cause only one i trust and that is Jesus Christ for HE is the WAY, TRUTH and LIFE no one comes to the Father except through Him(14:6)
143whatsnew 3 months ago
im not expert of the word of God , i have no wisdom came from school but by the Glory of God He revealed me a wonderful thing how to serve Him fully and how to use the wisdom He gave to me...pls read this message of God at the book of 1 John 4:1-6....i believe every close eyes will be opened...the greatest commandment of God is to Love Him 1st.. and then our neighbors (Matthew 22:36-34)We are murderers when we do not love our brothers(1 john 3:15)be careful evry word that comes out in our mouth.
143whatsnew 3 months ago
Excuse me, it's "Entitled." Excuse the typo...
jmattpow 3 months ago
This person "sorens70601" has very heritical views. The person consistently forces their own words and meanings into whatever bible he or she uses. The person goes outside of Scripture to support their claim and points of views. You really have to question the person's salvation. I do not see how anyone can be saved by not having a love for truth. If I could, I would spam the person with this ID. It is sad this person lets satan use them to twist scripture just to be heard.
jmattpow 3 months ago
Genesis 1.26 and Isaiah 6:8 both use us. The Bible use Elohim ,Gods, in Hebrew (2300+) vs El, God, in Hebrew (200+) both with singluar verb. The Shema, d6.4, has 3 names for Gods in Hebrew for the first with 3 parts while Rabbi pray with 3 fingers making the Hebrew character shin. Jesus said "I am" which a name of God in Judaism meaning self existing in Hebrew. Since Jesus is God, Jesus knows has he Father. God is not limited to place or person.
MrHellowwww1 3 months ago
David Bernard spoke truth. Jesus is the one true God of Israel. point blank peroid. amen
Notrinity1 3 months ago
@Notrinity1
Are you serious, James white lost this debate by a long shot. Bernard gave you all the Scriptures and proved his points, while White only gave his opinions on how he viewed certain Scriptures.
jmattpow 3 months ago
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if the trinity is true than that means that someday satan is going to accomplish something that God could not, trinitarians have no problem admitting that there is one satan, who is the father of lies, the spirit of iniquity who will one day become the son of perdition when he goes and takes up residence inside one man and that one man will be all of satan and he will have one name.
FREEDOM6427 3 months ago
James White won this debate. Modalism is a heresy anathematized by the Fathers and saints.
Pilgrim1411 4 months ago
@Pilgrim1411 You are intitled to your opinion, even if it is a wrong opinion. Your fathers did not write Scripture, the apostles wrote scripture. It would do James White a lot of good, for himself, and for others he teaches, to get in the Word, and forsake the mere interpretations of men.
jmattpow 3 months ago
The trinity doctrine is diabolic and babylonian.
ZLUGGO 4 months ago
@ZLUGGO, There is no Trinity is Babylonian teaching. don't confuse Trinity with Tritheism.
Pilgrim1411 4 months ago
@Pilgrim1411
Same crap, different names.
ZLUGGO 4 months ago
@Pilgrim1411
Oneness believers are king at creating straw man arguments. That's the only way they think they are dominant in a debates. When they finally go up against the real issue, they don't have a chance.
2row777 3 months ago
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People seem to have a difficult time distinguishing the difference between "being" and "person". Also, saying "trinity" is not in the bible is a strawman argument. Of course its not in the bible , its just a term used to describe His nature.
unkwn6 4 months ago
God is ONE ! there is no trinity. theres no place in the bible where it says that god is three. Jesus is god. God is one. Christ is the answer. the lord is ONE! not three.
TheElena1994 4 months ago
@TheElena1994 so tell me who is the one that Father in Heaven sent in this earth??even though trinity is not written in the bible,but there is prove that there is trinity,right open your eyes of heavenly understanding not your mouth of full of earthly wisdom,
143whatsnew 3 months ago
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
BibleFrW 5 months ago
God Jesus and Holy Spirit Blessed trinity..
Scorpion391997 5 months ago
@Scorpion391997
That is a pagan archetype.
ZLUGGO 4 months ago
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@Scorpion391997 If you don't mind, can you give me the scripture that says what you quote "God Jesus and Holy Spirit Blessed trinity.." so I can share it with others? I am unable to find your quote in my bible.
Thanks in advance!
jmattpow 3 months ago
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I am a Christian, but I do not believe in the Trinity doctrine or Oneness. If you want to know what I believe is the truth, see my video upload, "Understanding God and Jesus"
jkbugout 5 months ago
Why would God use Elohim (which is plural in Hebrew) 2346 times vs El (which is singular in Hebrew) 213 times?
Elohim or Gods Plural in Hebrew with a singular verb when God of Israel is speaking
Strong 430
AV — God 2346, god 244, judge 5, GOD 1, goddess 2, great 2, mighty 2, angels 1, exceeding 1, God-ward + 04136 1, godly 1
El or God in Hebrew
Strong number 410
AV — God 213, god 16, power 4, mighty 5, goodly 1, great 1, idols 1, Immanuel + 06005 2, might 1, strong 1
MrHellowwww1 6 months ago
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Listen to Bishop Michael Geddis one of the greatest oneness preachers on the globe. Message " God said it, I believe it, That settles it"
Jgeddis21 6 months ago
The Old Testament (& Judaism believers 2Day Still Believe) promises aMessiah that Is GOD. Sooo, how did 3Ever come up? That right there sumwhat proves the trinity is not only false, but made up. Smh, Im Sayin.
JIIBlessed 6 months ago
And finally to you it is good-bye. No matter what you say I shake the dust off my feet. I am through with your blantant lies, lame interpretations, lack of understanding and ignorance. You think you're the real deal, if that were so there would be no hesitation for me to accept your 'trinity'. However you are far from it you may as well call yourself TrihardApostolic.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
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jazzynthangz 6 months ago
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And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
There can be only ONE
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear , O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mark 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear , O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake. Luke 21:12 KJV All because we understand the meaning of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit and are baptised in His Name. How the devil hates it.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
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jazzynthangz 6 months ago
I never mentioned anything about the tribulation. It is God's promise He will come before that and we will meet Him in the air. The blood of the martyrs has already been shed. The Vatican is not only built on the seven hills/mountains of Rome, the Vatican itself is built by the dissmantled stones of the colesseum that are literally soaked in the blood of the martyrs. And so are the churches that came out of her.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@jazzynthangz ...The Vatican is not built on Seven Hills, the city of Rome Is, But so is Jerusalem, and It is the
city, the scriptures is referring to , as is confirmed in Rev.11:8, calling it Sodom and Egypt. Next; christians were not Martyred in the "Coloseum", but in the "Circus Maximus", Next , the blood of martyrs will be shed in the last half of the future tribulation, as is clear from Rev.6:9-11. Your lack of knowledge on biblical issues, as well as your ignorance of History is obvious.
sorens70601 6 months ago
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jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Mark 6:11 KJV
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
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jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Matthew 5:11 KJV
Blessed are ye , when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely , for my sake.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Revelation 17: 8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. 9 Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Respond to this video... 6 I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And when I saw her, I marveled with great amazement. 7 But the angel said to me, "Why did you marvel? I will tell you the mystery of the woman and of the beast that carries her, which has the seven heads and the ten horns.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic HERE IS YOUR CHURCH Revelation 17 3...And I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the filthiness of her fornication. 5 And on her forehead a name was written: MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Respond to this video... Read my original request leave me alone WITH your stupidity. Say something with LOVE and INTELLIGENCE which you have failed to do. And I don't mind conversing with you. MY EMOTIONS YOU WANT TO CONDEMN ME FOR MY PASSION !! So be it !! CRUCIFY ME LIKE THE ROMAN CATHOLICS WHO STILL PROMOTE THE CRUCIFIX !! YOUR CHURCH IS FULL OF PRE-HISTORIC SATANIC SYMBOLISM !! IN ALL IT'S GRAVEN IMAGES !! I PRAISE YOU JESUS I AM NOT A PART OF IT !! HALLELUJAH !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
Respond to this video... WHATEVER DUDE !! I AM SO BLESSED TO BE BAPTISED INTO THE WONDERFUL AND GLORIOUS AND ALL POWERFUL NAME OF JESUS AND NOT JUST HIS TITLES !! WHATEVER YOU DO IN WORD OR DEED DO ALL IN THE NAME OF JESUS !! HALLELUJAH !! WOO-HOO !! I WILL SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOF TOP !! WOO-HOO !! THANK YOU JESUS !! THANK YOU JESUS !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
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jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TruineApostolic maybe because we can't because we were persecuted for our beliefs. But Job 13:6-10 disproved the trinity anyways
pupils011 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic We were busy being slaughtered by your creeds until the 3rd Century and have been called heretics ever since. The triune god was invented to fulfill the insatiable lust of the Roman Empire/Catholic Church to worship more than One God and to continue in idolatry !! Go home to mummy cry baby !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic To add to your woes I grew up in the 'trinitarian' doctrine, I received this revelation at Hillsong while I was reading a book written by Kenneth Hagin! I had to find a church to baptise me into the wonderful Name that made me free! You remind me of the atheist who claims the theory of evolution is science, the priest who tells me 'I don't care what the Bible saids' and my brother who prays to Mary (the eternal virgin) because he claims Jesus is divided!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@jazzynthangz ...Your so called "revelation at Hillsong", is nothing more than Satanic deception, and proves my contention for many years now , that "Hillsong" is an Antichristly creation to bring about the World Church of Lucifer.. Your "baptism" in Jesus's name, brought you into the Church of SATAN. Christ tells about your kind, in Mt.7:20 23, he said that you all will come before him and say, " Lord, lord, in Thy Name,(Jesus only) we have cast out demons, and done many 'wonderful works'...
sorens70601 6 months ago
...and Jesus will confess to you all,(you UPC and Apotolics) "I NEVER knew you". It is sad how the UPC steals the "sheep" , as they never seem to stop that practice. The Bilbe says, "Thieves" shall Not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Go read 2.Jn.9, and realize that you are "Not in the doctrine of Christ", therefore, you have Not God !!!
sorens70601 6 months ago
@sorens70601 HA HA HA !! Oh my goodness now that sounds just like an ISLAMIST !! Woe unto you !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Is that what you call it !! So where's your evidence I'm angry... are you just trying to provoke me with your nonsense, by being an irritant !! What on Earth are you boasting about... why do you commend yourself !! So Anti-scriptural you are !! 2 Corinthians 10:12 "For we dare not class ourselves or compare ourselves with those who commend themselves. But they, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise."
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic That’s rich!! So you your allegiance is with the Athanasian Creed written in Latin (a dead language), which wasn’t introduced to most churches until the 6th century. Funny how you invent words & phrases that do not appear in the Bible to try and explain your doctrine such as; ‘trinity’, ‘triune’ (now there’s an oxymoron), ‘god the son’, ‘god the holy spirit’ and ‘The trinity itself is considered to be a mystery’ etc. Then wrestle with the scriptures to make it fit the creed.
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@sorens70601 That proves not a thing. Isaiah 9:6 proclaims Christ as the Eternal Father. Please do not abuse that as the Trinitarians and Binitarians do. Christ should be worshipped as the Eternal Father. Christ=Father. End of discussion.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Danielezerable ....No it's NOT the end of discussion, just the end of your closed mind, as you have demonstrated the inability to pass a third grade reading test. You cannot even begin to understand Isa.9:6, when you flunk the basic reading test I gave you. Go back to first grade, and start over, dumbo!!!
sorens70601 6 months ago
@sorens70601 Um, when you're calling me names like that it is.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic consistently with reference to "the Father", combine to shape the proto-orthodox "binitarian" pattern of devotion. Jesus truly is reverenced as divine" (Ibid, pp. 605, 618).
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic I'm assuming a binitarian quote, right?
...the "binitarian" pattern of devotion in which both God (the "Father") and Jesus are objects of such reverence goes back to the earliest observable stages of the movement that became Christianity...The central place given to Jesus...and...their concern to avoid ditheism by reverencing Jesus rather
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@sorens70601 Even Trinitarians don't agree on the matter of God's nature.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Danielezerable ... you obviously do not have the faintest idea of what you are talking about, or what you are getting into, discussing with me. I am Not "Trinitarian" as you suppose, as the Bible teaches a "Tri-unity of persons" in the singular Godhead. There are over 20,000 passages dealing with the "nature" of God, his atributes, and his person. You dumbheads do not understand these facts, because you all are "unlearned" in the word of God. Even yopur best "ministers", are to "brainwashed"..
sorens70601 6 months ago
...to accept the TRUTH. Just because the scriptures (correctly) declare that God is a Spirit, you dummies think that God is a "nothingness" floating in Nothing. You are not even smart enough to understand that angels are also "spirits"(only they are created beings) whereas God, as a Spirit, is eternally "self existent". But just like the angels, (who are "spirit beings") God, who is a Spirit, also has a "Spirit body", which houses a "Soul", and "Spirit". He has a face, ears, hair, hands, ....
sorens70601 6 months ago
...fingers, feet, he walks , sits, eats, and many other personal atributes and descruptions of a person, are attested to God. So let us see what John saw when he got to Heaven in Rev.4 and 5. (and by this , let us see if you understand third grade english, (or if you like all UPC cultist's, and pastors) fail the third grade English test. In Rev. 4:8-11, the two "firstfruit" orders,(the four living creatures, and the 24 Elders) fall down before "Lord God Almighty",(verse 8) and "worship ...
sorens70601 6 months ago
@sorens70601 1. See Revelation 5:1-7 and Acts 2:25. 2. Might I ask, are you a binitarian?
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@Danielezerable ..Regarding your stupid "Masonic question", I have stated the bilbical premisr of Tri-unity, and will not dignify your stupidity with an answer.
sorens70601 6 months ago
...Him", who "sits on the Throne",(verse 10) as the 'Creator", (Verse 11) Now go to Rev.5:1, we find that "He who Sits on the Throne", is not an "im-personal force", but God the Father, (the Ancient of Days) who is seen as a Person with a "little book" in His right hand. Then in Rev. 5:6 we see ANOTHER person,(separate from the one who sits on the Throne) and He is STANDING, (not sitting) in the midst of the four living creatures, and the 24 Elders, and is Identified as a LAMB that was..
sorens70601 6 months ago
....slain, and this "second Person",(separate from him who sits on teh Throne) comes and "takes the Little book" Out of the "right hand", (look at the detail here) of "Him who sits on the Throne", then this "second Person", who is identified as "a Lamb that was slain", also "receives Worship", from these same two "firstfruit groups",(which identifies this "second person" as Deity) and these two groups say that He, ( the second person, has "redeemed them fropm every tribe, tongue, people, ....
sorens70601 6 months ago
...and Nation. (verses 8-10) Now ask yourself a question, how many individual persons did John recognize as Deity ? How many were worshipped ? Was one SITTING ,and a second person STANDING ? If your answers do not corespond to "Two persons" to the first two questions, and your answer does not confer with "one Sitting", and "one Standing", then you have flunked the "third Grade English reading test" and you are ready for the "funny farm", as yopu must be a LUNATIC !!!!
sorens70601 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic If you're referring to the early church, you need to realize that the early church was more divided between binitarianism and oneness theology.
Danielezerable 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Like I said leave me alone with your stupidity! How you like to make a rotten joke of a very serious matter. Your immaturaity disgusts me!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Oh really ...you've become quite tedious and boring now. "Out of my belly flow rivers of living water." No wonder why you people receive an 'F'. Now leave me alone with your stupidity. I never met three 'persons' when I was converted and I still haven't neither did the Apostle Paul on the road to Damascas, so stop trying to introduce them to me!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@TriuneApostolic Yeah right you use The Word correctly !! Jesus is the Living Water: H2O
Other Names: Hydrogen oxide, Dihydrogen monoxide, Hydrogen monoxide, Dihydrogen oxide & Hydrogen hydroxide.
Related Componds: heavy water, light water, vapour, steam, gas, clouds, volcanic plumes, ice, snowflakes, hail, icicles, glaciers, pack ice, entire polar ice caps etc.
And it is all still WATER !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
YOU TRINITARIANS ARE TRYING TO REDEFINE THE WORD PERSON !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
OH PLEEZEEEE !! To be a person... means to be a human being and to be a human being means you have to be BORN into this world. THERE WAS ONLY ONE BEGOTTON OF THE FATHER... THERE WAS ONLY ONE BORN INTO THIS WORLD TO BECOME A PERSON AND LO AND BEHOLD WHO IS IT !! JESUS CHRIST THE BODY OF THE LIVING GOD !!
jazzynthangz 6 months ago
@jazzynthangz ...Not only is that a "warped"understanding of scripture, it's a "warped" and twisted understanding of grammar. In the psalms we read; "A body 'thou' hast prepared for 'me', lo in the volume of the book it is written..." This passage posits Two persons, if you understand grammar. Ps.2:7 reads; "the Lord said unto me,Thou art my Son, this Day have I begotten thee..." Thou and thee, speaks of Christ, as is clear from the context, who do you think the " I " refers to ??? ....
sorens70601 6 months ago
....In Ps.22:22, we read; "I will declare 'Thy name' unto my brethren" . Again in grammatical context, two individuals are referred to, The "i" refers to Christ, and the other individual spoken of as "Thy name", refers to a second and separate individual. If you have trouble understanding this, write this post out on a page of paper, and take it to your local university, and discuss the grammatical context with the english Professor. Not only will he correct you, but think you are a moron.
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