Uuuuhhh.. So what? Just wanted to diss a nation for the heck of it, no less by missrepresentation? By your very method I could say that Japanese ppl are a bunch of headless pansies who lie to everyone during a crisis, based on the actions of just one of your citizens, Naoto Kan.
I do believe all but the most ignorant kendo practitioners would agree that that men was as good, and as real, as any. The only diff was his kiai, which means the same thing (men=head=mori = stfu u silly, silly thing).
So we decided to call it using our own language. So what? It's as if Lutheranism never happened with some of you ppl.
And also, actual Japanese kendo practitioners (not you whiners) welcome Korean Kumdo practitioners. You whiners whould too if you were more open minded and less being hotheaded ultra-rightists. When u ppl bash Kumdo it's as if English ppl were bashing Americans who play soccer telling them that it's fake, and that they should play football. Stop wondering why all your neighbors hate you and start connecting the dots.
Japanese ppl are too proud to admit to past inferiority that they will hold on to minority opinions in Korea and grab on tight. Inferiority complex in Japan is an epidemic that few wants to admit to. True, Koreans tend to hate Japs, but for good reason; Japs seem to be just being Japs. Look at most conflicts and Japs are the instigators. They forced every sword wielding ppl to learn kendo, and now that Koreans wanna keep that going, under the same name but with Korean pronounciation, they w
In other words, these guys are doing Kendo (a Japanese martial art.) Kumdo is just a Korean way of saying Kendo. It's like how Americans call football, soccer.
Here's an easier way to understand:
In Korea 漢字(Hanzi) is pronounced Hanja, and in Japan, it is pronounced Kanji. Just because they pronounce it differently doesn't make Hanzi Korean or Japanese. We all know it's Chinese.
Same thing with Kendo (剣道). If you translate these Chinese characters into Korean, it's pronounced Kumdo.
Kumdo/Gumdo is the Korean pronunciation of Kendo and it was introduced into the Korean Peninsula from Japan during the period of the Japanese protectorate and annexation (1895-1945). Before that martial arts didn't exist in Korea. So it's never a traditional Korean martial art from ancient times.
It's true that Koreans began learning sword skills from Chinese and they called it 本國劍/本国剣 in the 18th century, but it didn't catch on.
The first time Koreans used the word "HaedongKumdo/海東剣道" was in about 1982. It's not so long ago. In short, it's a fraud that they claim HaedongKumdo is a Korean traditional martial art.
Incidentally, the parties have already pleaded guilty to the HaedongKumdo fraud in a Korean court.
What Koreans are doing now is a creation based on Japanese Kendo. But because the new martial art required Koreans to make a difference from Kendo, they adopted flashy action stunts like jumping or spinning.
First, you Koreans must set out the records of HaedongKumdo before 1970s if you can.
How about videos? Is there a film until 1980 showing HaedongKumdo?
How about pictures? Is there a picture until 1980 showing HaedongKumdo?
How about historical records? Since the 17th century many Westerners stayed in the Korean Peninsula. They wrote about Korean archery but any swordplay or unarmed martial art doesn't appear in those records. Don't you find this strange?
You Koreans had better admit HaedongKumdo is a fraud and stop spreading lies immediately.
Everything is originated from Korea. Yo little Japs are nothing more then a little copy cat. Yes, mimiature copy cats. Only thing is comming from Jap is sushi or whatever but our ancient european ancestors enven ate sushi way before Jap country created. So what is from Japen? It is simply,,,, only Jap. Criminals or loosers from all around Asia in ancient time went to Japen. Oops, I am Japanese or whatever.
You do understand that kumdo comes from kendo they are one in the same! But there is no doubt that whatever you call it kendo or kumdo it started in japan.
I don't know about that it started in Japan, it's more like which Asian country first started to fight with swords. Maybe it's the Japanese, I just don't know... Maybe we should make some research about this ;D
omg Kumdo and Kendo are like Hapkido and Aikido. Hapkido is the Korean version of Aikido. techniques though. It is stupid to say it was started by Korean wanna-be samurais. Have you ever thought that Kumdo could have been influenced by Japanese Kendo? With your logic, we could say that Okinawan people were wanna-be kung fu masters, and started practising Karate. Karate was influenced by chinese technniques, and the Okinawan people were trading martial arts skill with the Chinese people.
You miss my point here. Korean claim the origin on Kendo itself. They claim other Japanese traditional arts are originally belong to Korea. They are not saying Gumdo & Hapkido are Korean version. If you look at Brazilian Jujutsu, they do not claim Judo was originated in Brazil. Let me ask you one question, why they call it Gumdo while all other countries are calling it Kendo? Answer is: they want it claim origin.
Kumdo could be also the Korean transalation of Kendo. In Europe, were talking about football, in USA about soccer. And I meant that Hapkido and Aikido are not the same art. And yeah to that question, it takes only two seconds to figure the answer: people haven't heard about Kumdo, in fact, I heard about it just last week when checking the technique list for black belts (1-4. Dan).
Kendo is just more famous. People don't know Hapkido, but they know Karate.
Remember Pearl Harbor. Once you dress like cowboy you think you are cowboy???? You attacked your own Big Brother who taught you every modern civilization. Why don't you say U.S. stole Mc donnal hamber from japan? No more, It is useless to talk to you any more rather I would like to talk telephone poles.
Japan attacked US because there were no other choice. And US wasn't big brother at that time. Japan learned modern technologies, and laws etc more from European countires...more precisely Holland, Germany, and England than US. US-Japan relation really started post WW2. By the way, McDonald's humberger thing you brought up is totally inappropriate here. Just states clear reasoning why you think this sports came from Korea. I believe you cannot. ha ha ha
its true that the japanese "modernized" kendo, however, the origin of kendo and kumdo is different. just like what tkdazndude said, the philosophies, the strategies and the cutting methods are different. the form of kumdo could also be found in two korean historical records, which existed before the japanese written record of kendo. just like how china, england, mongolia, etc. had its own sword arts, korea did too.
@avgkrnboy As a Korean Kendo practitioner myself, your words are only partly true. It's true that Korea had some sort of sword-fighting, but this specific martial art, Kendo (or Daehan Kumdo in Korea), is a Japanese martial art and has no origin to Korea whatsoever. The origin of this martial art first started from Katana, and Korea did not used Katana, or anything similar (curved blades), before Japan.
Koreans didn't really copy Kendo. During 57 BC to 935 AD, Koreans practiced kumdo that was originally influenced by Chinese martial arts. Then, when Japan took over Korea, they introduced kendo to the military and police system to the Koreans. It became popular and when Korea became independent from Japan, kendo was still practiced in Korea. Korea translated kendo to fit their own language, so kumdo was formed. They're generally the same thing, just a tad different to adjust to their own culture
@Cropsgrinder thats like saying isnt soccer the same sport as football. yes they are but they are the equivalent to each other, just different words and possible subtle differences (im not a fan of football, so i wouldnt know the difference).
kendo and kumdo are the same shit, only people who suck at this sport discuss from where do they come from, because they don't have a champions spirit, keep discussing bunch of losers.
I'd have to agree. My Kumdo instructor was a student of a Kendo GM from a samurai family. I was fortunate because he taught both Korean and Japanese Long sword forms (Which is quite a bit different) There are also some things that you'll see in Kumdo but not Kendo (Such as locking your elbow behind the tsuka of the shinai)But as far as a sport goes, they're interchangeable.
Diferences between kendo and kumdo (real ones, not wannabe) are like diferences between NBA and european basketball. A few cosmetic ones (triple point line and three weird things) and that is all. The attitude could be diferent, or how the face the combat, strength vs techniques. And, for kenshis like me, remember that Korea won the last World Kendo Championship.
Sounds good to me, but everyone is hard headed and don't like to listen to others who seem beneath them. It's o.k. they will age and be forced to keep up. White Jr.
Frankly I think the vast majority of those who continue this asinine debate over the "superiority" or authenticity over kumdo vs. kendo are not spending enough time focusing on developing their own skill. If you have time to bicker incessantly about this, they you're not practicing hard enough.
After the Chosun dynasty, the Japanese were finally successful at invading Korea. It is believed that this is when Christianity, Kendo, and a lot of other Japanese influences spread througout Korea.
I think it is important to understand that imitation is the best compliment. Obviously, Kumdo has taken a lot from Kendo. It should not be taken offensively because it emphasizes how strong Kendo was over previous Korean sword martial arts.
I thought I'd throw out a little more Korean/Japanese history. During the Chosun Dynasty of Korea, Koreans practiced Soo Bahk martial arts and sword play. It was primarily for infantry/cavalry fighting in large numbers. Yi Soon Shin saw first hand and recognized it's inferiority at the time to the Japanese style. A single Japanese infantryman could match at least 4 Chosunese infantrymen.
japan has a lot to learn. and i'm sorry to say this, but what goes around comes around. for those who know geology, ever wonder why japan lies so damn close to a subduction zone? probably because something's going to "come around." something always comes around. sorry, that's justice.
anyways, i want to say one last thing: i'm so sick of the "glorious" samurai shit that is overplayed in the american media.
you know what? who cares about the history of japan and the events of centuries ago? the ONLY history that matters is what happened during the 20th century, when japanese soldiers killed the innocent civilians of all the Asian nations they took over. it's a shameful history, isn't it? Germany has a shameful history, but at least that country repented by making actions speak louder than mere words.
Kumdo is the sword play style directly influenced by Japan's Kendo, combined with aspects not only from Chinese sword play but traditional Korean as well. It is a KOREAN style, influenced by styles of surrounding countries.
No, Kumdo is not better than Kendo. To get the 8th Dan in Kumdo you have to fight infront of a Kendo Jury. And 2nd Kumdo is much more hectic rush and so on. So Kendo is much more ART than Kumdo.
and how do u know? they are practically identical art, if not the exactly the same thing. i hate pp who judges MA styles. Judge the fighter not the styles
besides...i think that kind of duelling is meaningless...how can one counter while getting hit. if they were duelling with real swords to see who's superior to the other one, the one hitting the opponent faster would win. but it's still fun watching.
i would say. kendo is kendo, kumdo is kumdo. the training swords are different. japanese kendo use armor and bamboo swords. but korean kumdo only use wooden swords and usually no duels are allowed as its too dangerous. the chinese characters just mean "way of the sword"
The kendo is a culture of Japan that came into existence from life of the samurai in Japan. This is a lie though the South Korean speaks the kendo like the origin of Korea recently. The Korean fabricates the history. A lot of lies are told.
again i must repeat myself. only OLD TIMERS believe kumdo is korean. stop living in the past and speak to a kid who takes kumdo and they'll say its japanese not korean.
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Ugly Korean? Have you seen the people in your godamn country?
You're calling people in USA losers, yet you're ATTEMPTING to speak their language.
You can't even speak proper English, so stop trying.
I can abuse Japan as much as I fucking want. And by the way, I'm not Korean, you dipshit. I'm Chinese. The Chinese people can destroy your flimsy ass island with one bomb. So STFU.
u must catch up with time. only those old timer kendo/kumdo practitioners still believe its korean. kumdo practitioners now a days clearly say its of japanese origin. i do kumdo/kendo and i know for a fact it is from japan
nough said kendo and kumdo are simply 2 different pronounciations of the original chinese word meaning its the same and for people who want to whine yes kendo is japanese and yes there have been disputes between koreans that believe that kumdo was brought over to japan for all the world knows it was from korea but theres no point in arguing over it now at this point in time
agreed, if some people who don't even know the kanju to this, step off. ^^ 劍道 read kendo in Japanese and kumdo in Korean, no difference at all, maybe Korean kendo practioners omit the sonlyo, but in internation matches they all practice it and we all admit kendo is Japanese. This argue between kendo and kumdo is retarded.
Hi, guys..I am Korean and I just wanna say that Kumdo means Kendo in Korean. That's all. Most of Korean (99%) believe that Kendo is Japanese martial art and only FEW people believe that Kendo(Kumdo) is Korea's martial arts.
I agree with marz12aug. I can swear Kendo have developed in Japan. Korean had said that the custom of Kendo is barbaric, until it has be popular to play Kendo in Western country. Please try to search the website named "Why Kumdo tells a lie?" with google.
i think there also was a korean kendo before the japanese occupation. otherwise how would koreans use swords in the time before??? i'm sad that many foreigners don't know much about koreans. korea always was an independent kingdom. besides, koreans were good at bows. there're still many mystaries in the korean history as old history books were burned by the japanese and chinese.
kumdo is kendo, my master is a 9th dan rank kumdo, taekwondo, and hapkido master and he told me that kumdo is the same but they have forms for each rank like in taekwondo which kendo doesnt
檢道=剣道(this is called kendo in japanese and kumdo in korean) the korean one is haedong(海東) kumdo. besides hapkido is the korean pronunciation for the japanese aikido. as your master said haedong kumdo has forms for each rank. if you master learned the korean haedong kumdo he'll use wooden swords instead of bamboo sticks and duels are not allowed cuz it's dangerous. my lil bro used to learn haedong kumdo and he used wooden swords.
taekwondo these days isn't that one from my anchestors it's established by the korean karate masters from the time when korea was a colony of japan(1910~1945). the original form of taekwondo must have looked more like taekyon. look for more videos on youtube and you'll see the difference
well y wouldnt they where japanese sword uniforms?? everyone knows they have influence from japan.. but who says that they stole the art and claimed it as their own. japanese kendo was mixed with korean battle strategies and sword techniques during the last 50 years and has been coined as a new art "kumdo" im not saying koreans didnt learn from japan, but they didnt steal anything. they made a legitimate new art and have the righ to call it their own.
while, another things to metion is that the custome you wear when play kendo/kumdo is SURELY a Japanese traditional custome for swordsman. its also origin from China, but then became its own style. the 5 lines of the of the custome represent 仁、义、礼、智、信 (kindness, justice, manners, wisdom, trust) in Chinese culture.
and I personally think its just the same things. Coz from my culture and the Chinese/Japanese/Korean word, there is no evidence shows your Kumbo and Kendo are 2 different things.
but for that part of history, I think it's nothing to do with Korea. But in fact the same things happened in Korea, the ancient Chinese skill of sword came there too. at that time, Japan Korea and China got a very strong connection of culture, skills, well,its the affair with ancient times.
and for the origin of kendo: it is first from China in Sui and Tang Dynasty(longlonglonglong~~~~~ before you discussed Ming ) to Japan. while its a Chinese skill of sword then, and Japanese change it gradually into their own style. though kendo's origin in China, but it is totally different things after it developed for a long time.----------this is FOR SURE!!!
KENDO is the pronunciation of Japanese word: 剣道（けんどう --"ke n do u in" hiragana）means 剑道(Chinese), (and I think Kumdo is just the Korean words' pronunciation means the exactly same things)
I'm from China, now in HongKong and I play Kendo for 5 years now, and know little Japanese as well.
so I'm pretty glad and interested in your guys' discussing. While I just wanna make sth. that I know FOR SURE clear to you ,about China,Japan,Korea, and kendo.
It is quite intresting... Kumdo and Kendo is similar in a ways but also different. I respect both since they do respect opponents and work hard to achieve skills.
It is a correct, Japanese original thing if it says for the Japanese sword. China is Ming Dynasty age. 100,000 Japanese swords are being exported to China
by Japan. In that time, why would not Ming Dynasty introduce it from Korea of a neighboring country?
When "Korea told culture to Japan", a Korean is educated. However, actually Japan had China and direct interchange. Korea is only one of the passages.
A Japanese sword is the sword which developed originally in Japan. It has Korea and China and a different characteristic clearly. And the kendo came out of kenjutsu which developed for use of a Japanese sword.
A Korean make Korean original fencing. You do not say only nonsense.
well first im surprised because you r the ONLY person in youtube that posted a reply that wasn't offensive or called the person an idiot, so its a good thing. It seems that my younger brothered posted those comments. But marz im not sure i totally agree with you but im not 100% sure of the origins of Kumdo/Kendo and Japanese culture(im pretty sure its a mix of chinese and korean) so im gonna look it up, but hey what do i kno, i've only been taking kumdo for 3years
In the first place the sword which Korea and China told to Japan is the thing which is different from a Japanese sword. It is a sword to use with one hand.
The Japanese sword developed in a special fight in Japan. A Japanese sword puts steel of different hardness together, and it is made.
There was not this in Korea and China.
By this manufacturing method, I became the sword which a Japanese sword was light, and was strong. kenjutsu was formed by a characteristic of a Japanese sword.
The kendo developed from kenjutsu. kenjutsu is a weapon peculiar to Japan: I developed into katana and sake corresponding to the Japanese tactics. In other words Korea is not connected with development of kendo. Or do you think that the sword which is similar to a Japanese sword was invented in Korea?
learn your facts folks. Japan had little to no tradition until it came along to Korea. Look at the lost art of celadon-making, that originated in korea. Japan came over and rid the celadon trade. Just as they assimilated many customs and ideas from them and took them back to Japan. Korea has been oppressed by japan up until after WWII. So, you cannot say that Kumdo/Kendo is a sport of Japanese origin. I could go on and on about history. If you dare to challenge, I will counter.
In Japan, there are many many documents from the ancient times and historic remains. They can deny your desire entirely.
Did Korea give Japan culture? Was there original culture Korean where?
By the way, the intention why you had the martial arts that were similar to kendo before Japanese influence in Korea It is stupid. It is Kenjyutsu/gekiken in the origin of kendo. It was developed to use a Japanese sword (it completely developed in Japan).
As a matter of fact, yes. Japan got its culture from the Koreans, and Koreans got its culture from China. Your in self denial if you believe that Japan actually made up its own culture, its a fact, almost every culture picked up its culture from different countries.
I'm sure China developed a lot of their own things which influenced most oriental culture. However, how would you know if Japan wasn't the one to influence Korea? I mean, I'm not picking sides or anything, but you need evidence? It seems like your picking the side you like best rather than picking whats fact, if it is a fact. Who knows, so don't assume things.
I'm not assuming. i didnt even pick a side. Although i would much rather prefer that it was Korean culiture that influenced Japan, I never stated that it actually did. I'm still sure that Chinese and Korean culture(which most likely was influenced by China) influenced Japanese culture in some ways. Not completely. Oh, and I think that a little part of Chinese culture such as the religion Buddihism came from India, which traveled its way up North.
I see. But, in terms of the Kendo and Kumdo. I find it hard to believe that Koreans invented Kumdo before Kendo existed. But it can be possible. The actual swords used in Kendo may be Japanese, but the sport might have been made by the Koreans. Who knows, Japan tried to erase some history of Korea, so not everything is clear. Either way, both of the sports look amazing.
I was just wondering, but is kumdo the same thing as kendo, but just the korean word for it? cuz if that's so, I don't understand what ppl are arguing about. It's like accusing every other country that plays ice hockey for copying Canada (if that's where it came from)
Kendo and Kumdo are essentially the same. There are subtle differences like in the way the uniform is worn somewhat, and just a little bit in the way that it is taught.
they have basic differences from eachother. through these differences the whole art is completely different from the other.
such as strategy and cutting method...
philosophy and even the way u draw the sword. so they are not the same but im not denying that kumdo had japanese influence, but it is definately not a copy.
they r the same thing. just pronouncation differences. the websites that advertize kumdo/kendo as korean are headed by ppl who are still bitter about japanese occupation and write those kind of things. i just hope the new generation will soon take over kumdo organiztions and clarify its history and hopefully end this constant, pointless arguments
There is an international match for kendo. There is not an international match in kumdo. Do not you feel it strangely?
If kumdo is the Korea origin, a Korean explains the origin to the world and holds an international match of kumdo and does not think that you should boycott an international match of kendo?
Why does a Korean participate in an international match of Japanese kendo every year?
Wow. Everytime I see a video that exudes any kind of pride in Korean culture (or media, martial arts, sports, etc.), there's always a Japanese person to make a sly and demeaning comment. What makes it worse are the Koreans that become defensive (like the Japanese), and retaliate. Someone mentioned the "truth" about our heritage. Please don't degrade that word by using it with spiteful connotations. It's disgusting.
Hey, it's not our fault (contemporany Koreans) that Japanese occcupied Korea and destroyed many valuable cultural stuff. All we are doing is having some inevitable influence.
Just to comment on what Seir wrote, it's only the upper wrist that counts, which depends on your opponent's stance and it's not necessary to call out where you're attacking, but you do have to ki-hap (at least in my federation, the rules might be different in others). Also, only a hit from the upper portion of the sword (which is marked, but hard to see on the video) is counted.
its called influence, and if thats how you want it, then japan copied china to begin with, and if you really want to go back further, the chinese copied the indians, and so on. its not copying.
btw, kendo was introduced into korea in 1945, and the koreans called in kumdo (korean for kendo.) only recently (few decades) has it diverged from kendo - its go the same roots (any twat can see that) but its changed itself.
Koreans know the origins of kendo too, since Kumdo is the korean word for kendo. the koreans who publicize kendo as a korean martial art are those same ones who probably are bitter about the japanese occupation of korea, where actual korean martial arts were banned and replaced by the japanese ones. In reality, everybody knows the truth, so it doesnt matter.
I will never EVER understand why people accuse Japan of copying things. Especially not when I see stuff like this.
When will they FINALLY admit that Korea does not have Martial Arts of their own? They all come from Japan. Even those things like "Musado" and "Hwarang Do"...
With Tae Kwon Do you can already see that VERY good... with Kumdo... you must be blind not to see it.
wow are u a ****ing idiot? Japan copied many things.. EVERY COUNTRY HAS COPYIED OTHERS. First of all, Japan has never excelled as much as other countries in martial arts because they relied on technology from the west so much. And are you japanese or korean? if your not then you should really stfu cause its obvious that you know NOTHING of any asian culture. Korea does have their own marial arts. How about u study a bit first before u blabber your smart mouth away.
When the Mongols first invaded Japan, 1274, Japanese forces got defeated, as Japanese fought with what they deemed to be "honour". They introduced themselves before the fight, making wonderful targets for the mongolian bows. At the end, Japan was saved only by a taifun... the first "kamikaze", the winds of the gods/spirits.
In 1281, when the Mongolians tried a second invasion, Japan retaliated very strong.
Okay guys y is it that u cant see that Japan stole many stuff from korea but u criticize Koreans I dont find it fair
BOBBY10496 1 week ago
stop whining and watch the video
Natsume171 4 months ago
copy culture!
shame on you!
fuckin korea!!
tetupop12 4 months ago
komdo tv ???
fuck korea
matsusucks 4 months ago
@haedongkumdoisalie
Uuuuhhh.. So what? Just wanted to diss a nation for the heck of it, no less by missrepresentation? By your very method I could say that Japanese ppl are a bunch of headless pansies who lie to everyone during a crisis, based on the actions of just one of your citizens, Naoto Kan.
mwjunk 4 months ago
@kaihanda
I do believe all but the most ignorant kendo practitioners would agree that that men was as good, and as real, as any. The only diff was his kiai, which means the same thing (men=head=mori = stfu u silly, silly thing).
So we decided to call it using our own language. So what? It's as if Lutheranism never happened with some of you ppl.
mwjunk 4 months ago
And also, actual Japanese kendo practitioners (not you whiners) welcome Korean Kumdo practitioners. You whiners whould too if you were more open minded and less being hotheaded ultra-rightists. When u ppl bash Kumdo it's as if English ppl were bashing Americans who play soccer telling them that it's fake, and that they should play football. Stop wondering why all your neighbors hate you and start connecting the dots.
mwjunk 4 months ago
Japanese ppl are too proud to admit to past inferiority that they will hold on to minority opinions in Korea and grab on tight. Inferiority complex in Japan is an epidemic that few wants to admit to. True, Koreans tend to hate Japs, but for good reason; Japs seem to be just being Japs. Look at most conflicts and Japs are the instigators. They forced every sword wielding ppl to learn kendo, and now that Koreans wanna keep that going, under the same name but with Korean pronounciation, they w
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hayek218 2 weeks ago
Uriginal fantasy.
Silverstein1883 5 months ago
This is fake.
kaihanda 5 months ago
In other words, these guys are doing Kendo (a Japanese martial art.) Kumdo is just a Korean way of saying Kendo. It's like how Americans call football, soccer.
Here's an easier way to understand:
In Korea 漢字(Hanzi) is pronounced Hanja, and in Japan, it is pronounced Kanji. Just because they pronounce it differently doesn't make Hanzi Korean or Japanese. We all know it's Chinese.
Same thing with Kendo (剣道). If you translate these Chinese characters into Korean, it's pronounced Kumdo.
shiptaku 6 months ago 2
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shiptaku 6 months ago
ha ha ha....
Liar's Korean people
mimic military arts
Melchiorbv 6 months ago
Korea should show old fencing in Korea. ・・・・・・・This is imitation of Japan.
tangeko1 7 months ago
Please retrieve word "Fake Samurai & Kendo" with YouTube.
jyogkuro 8 months ago
Kumdo/Gumdo is the Korean pronunciation of Kendo and it was introduced into the Korean Peninsula from Japan during the period of the Japanese protectorate and annexation (1895-1945). Before that martial arts didn't exist in Korea. So it's never a traditional Korean martial art from ancient times.
It's true that Koreans began learning sword skills from Chinese and they called it 本國劍/本国剣 in the 18th century, but it didn't catch on.
/watch?v=xcc3_iBmMyM
HaedongKumdoIsaLie 8 months ago
2.
The first time Koreans used the word "HaedongKumdo/海東剣道" was in about 1982. It's not so long ago. In short, it's a fraud that they claim HaedongKumdo is a Korean traditional martial art.
Incidentally, the parties have already pleaded guilty to the HaedongKumdo fraud in a Korean court.
해동검도재판기록 (HaedongKumdo trial record)
blog(.)daum(.)net/_blog/BlogTypeView(.)do?blogid=06zf6&articleno=9050199&admin=#ajax_history_home
HaedongKumdoIsaLie 8 months ago
3.
What Koreans are doing now is a creation based on Japanese Kendo. But because the new martial art required Koreans to make a difference from Kendo, they adopted flashy action stunts like jumping or spinning.
First, you Koreans must set out the records of HaedongKumdo before 1970s if you can.
HaedongKumdoIsaLie 8 months ago
4.
How about videos? Is there a film until 1980 showing HaedongKumdo?
How about pictures? Is there a picture until 1980 showing HaedongKumdo?
How about historical records? Since the 17th century many Westerners stayed in the Korean Peninsula. They wrote about Korean archery but any swordplay or unarmed martial art doesn't appear in those records. Don't you find this strange?
You Koreans had better admit HaedongKumdo is a fraud and stop spreading lies immediately.
HaedongKumdoIsaLie 8 months ago
There was no samurai in Korea.
Kumdo is an imitation kendo that the Korean fabricated.
yamahanaya 8 months ago
剣道っていえよカス国家が！
なにがクムドだボケ！
なんでもかんでも韓国の起源にしやがって。死ねよ猿
niconicoid2 9 months ago
Everything is originated from Korea. Yo little Japs are nothing more then a little copy cat. Yes, mimiature copy cats. Only thing is comming from Jap is sushi or whatever but our ancient european ancestors enven ate sushi way before Jap country created. So what is from Japen? It is simply,,,, only Jap. Criminals or loosers from all around Asia in ancient time went to Japen. Oops, I am Japanese or whatever.
Stevenypark 1 year ago
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Stevenypark 1 year ago
soccer=football
Kumdo=Kendo
That's all...
marinetech1980 1 year ago 5
You might think that Kendo was originated from Korea. That is definitely wrong.
Rika4343 1 year ago
You do understand that kumdo comes from kendo they are one in the same! But there is no doubt that whatever you call it kendo or kumdo it started in japan.
alexansell 2 years ago
I don't know about that it started in Japan, it's more like which Asian country first started to fight with swords. Maybe it's the Japanese, I just don't know... Maybe we should make some research about this ;D
IRockUrRockNRoll 2 years ago
kendo is inferior carbon copy of kumdo
eastyunasea 2 years ago
kendo is single target, kumdo is multiple.
if you want to find a general difference.
fadsneverdie 2 years ago 2
the other way round, tard! Kendo have more than 1000yrs old. Kumdo started 1980s by "wannabe Samurai" Korean monks.
tokyocityrat 2 years ago
omg Kumdo and Kendo are like Hapkido and Aikido. Hapkido is the Korean version of Aikido. techniques though. It is stupid to say it was started by Korean wanna-be samurais. Have you ever thought that Kumdo could have been influenced by Japanese Kendo? With your logic, we could say that Okinawan people were wanna-be kung fu masters, and started practising Karate. Karate was influenced by chinese technniques, and the Okinawan people were trading martial arts skill with the Chinese people.
IRockUrRockNRoll 2 years ago 2
@IROCKUr RockNRoll
You miss my point here. Korean claim the origin on Kendo itself. They claim other Japanese traditional arts are originally belong to Korea. They are not saying Gumdo & Hapkido are Korean version. If you look at Brazilian Jujutsu, they do not claim Judo was originated in Brazil. Let me ask you one question, why they call it Gumdo while all other countries are calling it Kendo? Answer is: they want it claim origin.
tokyocityrat 2 years ago
Kumdo could be also the Korean transalation of Kendo. In Europe, were talking about football, in USA about soccer. And I meant that Hapkido and Aikido are not the same art. And yeah to that question, it takes only two seconds to figure the answer: people haven't heard about Kumdo, in fact, I heard about it just last week when checking the technique list for black belts (1-4. Dan).
Kendo is just more famous. People don't know Hapkido, but they know Karate.
Do you have something against Koreans???
IRockUrRockNRoll 2 years ago
Remember Pearl Harbor. Once you dress like cowboy you think you are cowboy???? You attacked your own Big Brother who taught you every modern civilization. Why don't you say U.S. stole Mc donnal hamber from japan? No more, It is useless to talk to you any more rather I would like to talk telephone poles.
Stevenypark 1 year ago
@Stevenypark
Japan attacked US because there were no other choice. And US wasn't big brother at that time. Japan learned modern technologies, and laws etc more from European countires...more precisely Holland, Germany, and England than US. US-Japan relation really started post WW2. By the way, McDonald's humberger thing you brought up is totally inappropriate here. Just states clear reasoning why you think this sports came from Korea. I believe you cannot. ha ha ha
tokyocityrat 1 year ago
you are very wrong about Hapkido being the Korean version of Aikido
VWSLAB 1 year ago
kendo=kumdo
soccer=football
mjskku 2 years ago
t his looks alittle more intense then kendo
BalorCM2 3 years ago
its true that the japanese "modernized" kendo, however, the origin of kendo and kumdo is different. just like what tkdazndude said, the philosophies, the strategies and the cutting methods are different. the form of kumdo could also be found in two korean historical records, which existed before the japanese written record of kendo. just like how china, england, mongolia, etc. had its own sword arts, korea did too.
avgkrnboy 3 years ago 3
@avgkrnboy As a Korean Kendo practitioner myself, your words are only partly true. It's true that Korea had some sort of sword-fighting, but this specific martial art, Kendo (or Daehan Kumdo in Korea), is a Japanese martial art and has no origin to Korea whatsoever. The origin of this martial art first started from Katana, and Korea did not used Katana, or anything similar (curved blades), before Japan.
shiptaku 6 months ago
I would be curious to hear what some of your teachers and fellow kenshi would say if the new how you were disrespecting each other...
txaggieof08 3 years ago
i really hope to see some kumdo ka's at nationals this july :)
DMWH 3 years ago
Koreans didn't really copy Kendo. During 57 BC to 935 AD, Koreans practiced kumdo that was originally influenced by Chinese martial arts. Then, when Japan took over Korea, they introduced kendo to the military and police system to the Koreans. It became popular and when Korea became independent from Japan, kendo was still practiced in Korea. Korea translated kendo to fit their own language, so kumdo was formed. They're generally the same thing, just a tad different to adjust to their own culture
eybaebae 3 years ago
"Kumdo is a modern fencing art in Korea. It's equivalent to Kendo in Japan." isn't that wrong. Isn't kumdo the same sport as kendo?
Cropsgrinder 3 years ago 3
I take it that either English isn't your first language or that you don't know what is the definition of "equivalent".
Seir 3 years ago 5
@Cropsgrinder thats like saying isnt soccer the same sport as football. yes they are but they are the equivalent to each other, just different words and possible subtle differences (im not a fan of football, so i wouldnt know the difference).
MichaelNTL 6 months ago
look like kendo
minazuki 4 years ago 14
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buts its the Korean One... Sorry it made no since.
SuperNinja8000 3 years ago
kendo and kumdo are the same shit, only people who suck at this sport discuss from where do they come from, because they don't have a champions spirit, keep discussing bunch of losers.
rcc124 4 years ago
I'd have to agree. My Kumdo instructor was a student of a Kendo GM from a samurai family. I was fortunate because he taught both Korean and Japanese Long sword forms (Which is quite a bit different) There are also some things that you'll see in Kumdo but not Kendo (Such as locking your elbow behind the tsuka of the shinai)But as far as a sport goes, they're interchangeable.
Tomsense76 4 years ago
Diferences between kendo and kumdo (real ones, not wannabe) are like diferences between NBA and european basketball. A few cosmetic ones (triple point line and three weird things) and that is all. The attitude could be diferent, or how the face the combat, strength vs techniques. And, for kenshis like me, remember that Korea won the last World Kendo Championship.
unhartim 4 years ago
Kumdo is Kendo, right? rules are same?
Gosling3 4 years ago
Sounds good to me, but everyone is hard headed and don't like to listen to others who seem beneath them. It's o.k. they will age and be forced to keep up. White Jr.
D321W 4 years ago
Frankly I think the vast majority of those who continue this asinine debate over the "superiority" or authenticity over kumdo vs. kendo are not spending enough time focusing on developing their own skill. If you have time to bicker incessantly about this, they you're not practicing hard enough.
neogtrmn 4 years ago 3
After the Chosun dynasty, the Japanese were finally successful at invading Korea. It is believed that this is when Christianity, Kendo, and a lot of other Japanese influences spread througout Korea.
I think it is important to understand that imitation is the best compliment. Obviously, Kumdo has taken a lot from Kendo. It should not be taken offensively because it emphasizes how strong Kendo was over previous Korean sword martial arts.
r351574nc3 4 years ago
I thought I'd throw out a little more Korean/Japanese history. During the Chosun Dynasty of Korea, Koreans practiced Soo Bahk martial arts and sword play. It was primarily for infantry/cavalry fighting in large numbers. Yi Soon Shin saw first hand and recognized it's inferiority at the time to the Japanese style. A single Japanese infantryman could match at least 4 Chosunese infantrymen.
r351574nc3 4 years ago
japan has a lot to learn. and i'm sorry to say this, but what goes around comes around. for those who know geology, ever wonder why japan lies so damn close to a subduction zone? probably because something's going to "come around." something always comes around. sorry, that's justice.
anyways, i want to say one last thing: i'm so sick of the "glorious" samurai shit that is overplayed in the american media.
skssexy 4 years ago
you know what? who cares about the history of japan and the events of centuries ago? the ONLY history that matters is what happened during the 20th century, when japanese soldiers killed the innocent civilians of all the Asian nations they took over. it's a shameful history, isn't it? Germany has a shameful history, but at least that country repented by making actions speak louder than mere words.
skssexy 4 years ago
Kumdo is the sword play style directly influenced by Japan's Kendo, combined with aspects not only from Chinese sword play but traditional Korean as well. It is a KOREAN style, influenced by styles of surrounding countries.
ResidentNinja 4 years ago
No, Kumdo is BETTER! I agree that kendo was made first but just like japan did with video games, korea made it BETTER :D
koreanbounca 4 years ago
No, Kumdo is not better than Kendo. To get the 8th Dan in Kumdo you have to fight infront of a Kendo Jury. And 2nd Kumdo is much more hectic rush and so on. So Kendo is much more ART than Kumdo.
Taygun89 4 years ago
Lol you say that because you're korean ;D
La1chi 4 years ago
theses guys are really shit. man, how the hell did they get to 4th dan?
i would beat their asses with a chopstick.
plus, they scream like bitches.
i would have loved to give a positive comment, but so disappointing that this was the final, and it was shit to be honest.
MyLifeMyWayMyWorld 4 years ago
yeah right, lol.
mothtape 4 years ago
HAHAHAHAHA.
GTFO. Seriously.
paulunga 4 years ago
No, really, they suck ass.
I have 3rd Kyu and I could totally beat their asses.
Kumudo or whatever is inferior to kendo.
Praw48 4 years ago
and how do u know? they are practically identical art, if not the exactly the same thing. i hate pp who judges MA styles. Judge the fighter not the styles
sleepykid156 4 years ago
what you see above is the japanese kendo which is commonly called kumdo in korea.
kdsbsb 4 years ago
besides...i think that kind of duelling is meaningless...how can one counter while getting hit. if they were duelling with real swords to see who's superior to the other one, the one hitting the opponent faster would win. but it's still fun watching.
kdsbsb 4 years ago
i would say. kendo is kendo, kumdo is kumdo. the training swords are different. japanese kendo use armor and bamboo swords. but korean kumdo only use wooden swords and usually no duels are allowed as its too dangerous. the chinese characters just mean "way of the sword"
kdsbsb 4 years ago
All I can I hear from you people discussing is "My country is superior to yours."
LeeJun7 4 years ago
it's something you'd never understand i guess.
chewchoo 4 years ago
Something I'd really never understand is nationality upon reason.
LeeJun7 4 years ago
finally a mature comment
sleepykid156 4 years ago
Was the hit to wrist?
The darn guy in white blocks the video, but I think theres a hit to the wrist right?
AlanMolstad 4 years ago
How did that one guy fall.Very good
Ninja21314 4 years ago
I like people it don't matter what race you are.we need 2 learn about each other and stop telling lies.
Ninja21314 4 years ago
let's not shame ourselves.. fellow asians.
kumdo or kendo.. it uses same two "chinese" character.
it's just read differently depending on language.
and korean kumdo did come from japanese kendo.. no doubt about that.
oh yeah. but still, most of korean and japanese cultures came from China... too bad. but true.
skaius 4 years ago
The kendo is a culture of Japan that came into existence from life of the samurai in Japan. This is a lie though the South Korean speaks the kendo like the origin of Korea recently. The Korean fabricates the history. A lot of lies are told.
XXhirofumiXX 4 years ago 4
again i must repeat myself. only OLD TIMERS believe kumdo is korean. stop living in the past and speak to a kid who takes kumdo and they'll say its japanese not korean.
sleepykid156 4 years ago
dudes stop being such racists.
JME1282 4 years ago 2
Kendo protectors
Kendo shinai
Kendo uniforms
Kendo rules...
DAN is Japanese.
What's Kumdo?
Where is the korean originality?
Shame on you,ugly korean!
merikost 4 years ago 5
Whoever the hell you are, you're retarded.
Basically everything that's in Korea and Japan originate from China.
Which means that Kendo isn't an original Japan creation.
You're a dipshit.
You're probably some loser anime nerd. Look up some more things about Asia before you go calling Koreans ugly.
ddong4eva 4 years ago
Hello an ugly Korean who throws away your country and defected to USA.
Are you enjoying Japanese anime and AV while eating smelly Kimchi?
By the way,you know that Ouran Host Club is Japanese anime?haha.
Hey my friend.Live as a loser in USA.
Don't forget to comfort yourself by abusing Japan.
I live happily in wonderful Japan.
merikost 4 years ago
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Ugly Korean? Have you seen the people in your godamn country?
You're calling people in USA losers, yet you're ATTEMPTING to speak their language.
You can't even speak proper English, so stop trying.
I can abuse Japan as much as I fucking want. And by the way, I'm not Korean, you dipshit. I'm Chinese. The Chinese people can destroy your flimsy ass island with one bomb. So STFU.
ddong4eva 4 years ago
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The Koreans are famous as the liar.
You are a typical Korean.
Why are your favorite videos Korean TV programs?
Wish the launching of a North Korean nuclear missile.
If Japan is destroyed The United States economy fails.
merikost 4 years ago
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Because if you haven't noticed, Korean drama is famous in all of the Asian countries. INCLUDING Japan.
Yeah. I wish North Korea launched a nuclear missile. Hopefully it will land on your shitty ass island.
ddong4eva 4 years ago
Like I care whether the US economy fails. I'm not even American. You dipshit. Stop trying to be knowledgeable on things that you have no knowledge on.
The Japanese government is corrupted and they feed their citizens false information. So does Korea.
I wish both of those damned countries would strike down their fucking pride and tell the truth for once.
ddong4eva 4 years ago
ok both of you guys need to chill out. i am looking at the coments u made and it reeks of racism
JME1282 4 years ago 3
He started it. -.-;;
Haha sorry. It just makes me mad when Japanese shits badmouth the Koreans.
ddong4eva 4 years ago
suck a fat one man. oh and i hope yu get crushed in the rubble left by the earthquakes there.
iLikeChocolat3 4 years ago
u must catch up with time. only those old timer kendo/kumdo practitioners still believe its korean. kumdo practitioners now a days clearly say its of japanese origin. i do kumdo/kendo and i know for a fact it is from japan
sleepykid156 4 years ago
@merikost Kumdo is kendo. it's the same thing. why call koreans ugly though? it doesn't even relate to the topic. lol
TELeeable 6 months ago
@merikost plus...chinese, japanese, and koreans use a lot of the same word in their language.
TELeeable 6 months ago
intense match
Janth 4 years ago
nough said kendo and kumdo are simply 2 different pronounciations of the original chinese word meaning its the same and for people who want to whine yes kendo is japanese and yes there have been disputes between koreans that believe that kumdo was brought over to japan for all the world knows it was from korea but theres no point in arguing over it now at this point in time
asager1204 4 years ago
agreed, if some people who don't even know the kanju to this, step off. ^^ 劍道 read kendo in Japanese and kumdo in Korean, no difference at all, maybe Korean kendo practioners omit the sonlyo, but in internation matches they all practice it and we all admit kendo is Japanese. This argue between kendo and kumdo is retarded.
Vactroban 4 years ago
Hi, guys..I am Korean and I just wanna say that Kumdo means Kendo in Korean. That's all. Most of Korean (99%) believe that Kendo is Japanese martial art and only FEW people believe that Kendo(Kumdo) is Korea's martial arts.
mothtape 4 years ago 12
All the Koreans are mean liars.(｀∀´)
sakoshi7777 4 years ago
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racist.
kumdo44 4 years ago
OWN
muchol91 4 years ago
The match was interesting no mater the opinion on Kendo or Kumdo, but isn't it hard to explain how they are so much alike ;-)
Samuraijoe 4 years ago
I agree with marz12aug. I can swear Kendo have developed in Japan. Korean had said that the custom of Kendo is barbaric, until it has be popular to play Kendo in Western country. Please try to search the website named "Why Kumdo tells a lie?" with google.
2020fff 4 years ago 2
Why does kukmdo wear Japanese clothes?
Why do not you use a Korean traditional dress?
marz12aug 4 years ago 4
Haidong Gumdo is one and for what I see here...Haedon Kumdo is another different o_O (I practice the first and combats are mor dynamic than this).
linnk99 4 years ago
This is imitation of the uniforms of the kendo obviously.
Both the tool and the rule most are the same.
You speak sophism clearly.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
true, kumdo is just kendo basically it's somewhat different because they modified kendo after when the japanese occupation was over
terminater92 4 years ago 2
i think there also was a korean kendo before the japanese occupation. otherwise how would koreans use swords in the time before??? i'm sad that many foreigners don't know much about koreans. korea always was an independent kingdom. besides, koreans were good at bows. there're still many mystaries in the korean history as old history books were burned by the japanese and chinese.
kdsbsb 4 years ago
no
kumdo is kendo, my master is a 9th dan rank kumdo, taekwondo, and hapkido master and he told me that kumdo is the same but they have forms for each rank like in taekwondo which kendo doesnt
terminater92 4 years ago
檢道=剣道(this is called kendo in japanese and kumdo in korean) the korean one is haedong(海東) kumdo. besides hapkido is the korean pronunciation for the japanese aikido. as your master said haedong kumdo has forms for each rank. if you master learned the korean haedong kumdo he'll use wooden swords instead of bamboo sticks and duels are not allowed cuz it's dangerous. my lil bro used to learn haedong kumdo and he used wooden swords.
kdsbsb 4 years ago
my master despises haidong kumdo because of the lack of fun from sparing
terminater92 4 years ago
taekwondo these days isn't that one from my anchestors it's established by the korean karate masters from the time when korea was a colony of japan(1910~1945). the original form of taekwondo must have looked more like taekyon. look for more videos on youtube and you'll see the difference
kdsbsb 4 years ago
Sorry, but a 9th rank Kumdo, Taekwondo and Hapkido Master. This is not possible.
AEGS 4 years ago
he practiced when he was very young and his name is master park
terminater92 4 years ago
well y wouldnt they where japanese sword uniforms?? everyone knows they have influence from japan.. but who says that they stole the art and claimed it as their own. japanese kendo was mixed with korean battle strategies and sword techniques during the last 50 years and has been coined as a new art "kumdo" im not saying koreans didnt learn from japan, but they didnt steal anything. they made a legitimate new art and have the righ to call it their own.
tkdazndude051 3 years ago
xiemengxiemeng, get a life. you're dumb. Kumdo is the best, regardless. Kick those little kendo asses.
davidnkimchi 4 years ago
As for the kendo, training of kenjutsu is the origin. kenjutsu is a battle skill for Japanese war.
Kendo is not connected with Korea.
marz12aug 4 years ago
while, another things to metion is that the custome you wear when play kendo/kumdo is SURELY a Japanese traditional custome for swordsman. its also origin from China, but then became its own style. the 5 lines of the of the custome represent 仁、义、礼、智、信 (kindness, justice, manners, wisdom, trust) in Chinese culture.
its a Japanese style of swordsman's custome
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
but for the kendo nowadays, its really from Japan
and I personally think its just the same things. Coz from my culture and the Chinese/Japanese/Korean word, there is no evidence shows your Kumbo and Kendo are 2 different things.
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
after China brought kendo to Japan and Korea, China herself lost this skill due to some much more complex historical reasons.
Then, in late Ming Dynasty, it came back from Korea to China after about 1000 years.
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
but for that part of history, I think it's nothing to do with Korea. But in fact the same things happened in Korea, the ancient Chinese skill of sword came there too. at that time, Japan Korea and China got a very strong connection of culture, skills, well,its the affair with ancient times.
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
so, you can say its origin in China, and I think you also can say "Kendo"-- this specific kind of sword skill in Japan is origin in Japan.
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
and for the origin of kendo: it is first from China in Sui and Tang Dynasty(longlonglonglong~~~~~ before you discussed Ming ) to Japan. while its a Chinese skill of sword then, and Japanese change it gradually into their own style. though kendo's origin in China, but it is totally different things after it developed for a long time.----------this is FOR SURE!!!
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
KENDO is the pronunciation of Japanese word: 剣道（けんどう --"ke n do u in" hiragana）means 剑道(Chinese), (and I think Kumdo is just the Korean words' pronunciation means the exactly same things)
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
hey guys I'm wondering where are u coming from
I'm from China, now in HongKong and I play Kendo for 5 years now, and know little Japanese as well.
so I'm pretty glad and interested in your guys' discussing. While I just wanna make sth. that I know FOR SURE clear to you ,about China,Japan,Korea, and kendo.
xiemengxiemeng 4 years ago
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And.. marz12aug... did you know that Japanese originated from Korea?
sjo0523 4 years ago
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Hey, are you going to the bong rim gi, and dont worry about that jokbalee.lol
sonofabeeach 4 years ago
kendo occurred from kenjutsu. kenjutsu is Japanese battlefield and art of battle for Japanese armament.
Nothing is connected with Korea.
marz12aug 4 years ago 2
Japanese originated from Korea> you are stupid. It is the lie that only a Korean believes.
marz12aug 4 years ago
Thank you for sharing this!
The origins of the Japanese language is a mistery, shrouded in time, that startles japanologists philologues and historians alike.
And here you have the answer.
I salute you!
kenninast 4 years ago
It is quite intresting... Kumdo and Kendo is similar in a ways but also different. I respect both since they do respect opponents and work hard to achieve skills.
I don't really care which country created first.
Eventhough i do kumdo, I respect Kendo
sjo0523 4 years ago
Nice video.
What's the big deal where it originally came from? JJJ comes from all over, and the Brazilian one has its own flavor now.
So the Korean sport of kumdo is its own thing now.
dcbounce 4 years ago
It is a correct, Japanese original thing if it says for the Japanese sword. China is Ming Dynasty age. 100,000 Japanese swords are being exported to China
by Japan. In that time, why would not Ming Dynasty introduce it from Korea of a neighboring country?
It could not make in Korea.
gomiwosuteruna 4 years ago
When "Korea told culture to Japan", a Korean is educated. However, actually Japan had China and direct interchange. Korea is only one of the passages.
A Japanese sword is the sword which developed originally in Japan. It has Korea and China and a different characteristic clearly. And the kendo came out of kenjutsu which developed for use of a Japanese sword.
A Korean make Korean original fencing. You do not say only nonsense.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
well first im surprised because you r the ONLY person in youtube that posted a reply that wasn't offensive or called the person an idiot, so its a good thing. It seems that my younger brothered posted those comments. But marz im not sure i totally agree with you but im not 100% sure of the origins of Kumdo/Kendo and Japanese culture(im pretty sure its a mix of chinese and korean) so im gonna look it up, but hey what do i kno, i've only been taking kumdo for 3years
aznwutang213 4 years ago
In the first place the sword which Korea and China told to Japan is the thing which is different from a Japanese sword. It is a sword to use with one hand.
The Japanese sword developed in a special fight in Japan. A Japanese sword puts steel of different hardness together, and it is made.
There was not this in Korea and China.
By this manufacturing method, I became the sword which a Japanese sword was light, and was strong. kenjutsu was formed by a characteristic of a Japanese sword.
marz12aug 4 years ago
By the way, what is the culture that Korea told to Japan? Please teach it to be concrete. Mostly, as for them, China and India are the origin.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
The kendo developed from kenjutsu. kenjutsu is a weapon peculiar to Japan: I developed into katana and sake corresponding to the Japanese tactics. In other words Korea is not connected with development of kendo. Or do you think that the sword which is similar to a Japanese sword was invented in Korea?
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
one of the reasons appears to be that they never want to accept,Kendo was imported from Japan when Korea was ruled by Japan.
but can such a reason justify their cultural invasion?
this is nothing except for cultural invasion!
acidterror 4 years ago
Why do you make kendo (KUMDO) be it in Korea? If you curse it when it is cultural aggression, throw it away. Nobody forces you.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
learn your facts folks. Japan had little to no tradition until it came along to Korea. Look at the lost art of celadon-making, that originated in korea. Japan came over and rid the celadon trade. Just as they assimilated many customs and ideas from them and took them back to Japan. Korea has been oppressed by japan up until after WWII. So, you cannot say that Kumdo/Kendo is a sport of Japanese origin. I could go on and on about history. If you dare to challenge, I will counter.
SkyyZephyr 4 years ago
In Japan, there are many many documents from the ancient times and historic remains. They can deny your desire entirely.
Did Korea give Japan culture? Was there original culture Korean where?
By the way, the intention why you had the martial arts that were similar to kendo before Japanese influence in Korea It is stupid. It is Kenjyutsu/gekiken in the origin of kendo. It was developed to use a Japanese sword (it completely developed in Japan).
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
As a matter of fact, yes. Japan got its culture from the Koreans, and Koreans got its culture from China. Your in self denial if you believe that Japan actually made up its own culture, its a fact, almost every culture picked up its culture from different countries.
aznwutang213 4 years ago
I'm sure China developed a lot of their own things which influenced most oriental culture. However, how would you know if Japan wasn't the one to influence Korea? I mean, I'm not picking sides or anything, but you need evidence? It seems like your picking the side you like best rather than picking whats fact, if it is a fact. Who knows, so don't assume things.
intrikatemind 4 years ago
I'm not assuming. i didnt even pick a side. Although i would much rather prefer that it was Korean culiture that influenced Japan, I never stated that it actually did. I'm still sure that Chinese and Korean culture(which most likely was influenced by China) influenced Japanese culture in some ways. Not completely. Oh, and I think that a little part of Chinese culture such as the religion Buddihism came from India, which traveled its way up North.
aznwutang213 4 years ago
I see. But, in terms of the Kendo and Kumdo. I find it hard to believe that Koreans invented Kumdo before Kendo existed. But it can be possible. The actual swords used in Kendo may be Japanese, but the sport might have been made by the Koreans. Who knows, Japan tried to erase some history of Korea, so not everything is clear. Either way, both of the sports look amazing.
intrikatemind 4 years ago
kumdo is based on japanese kendo, but wehn japan occupied korea and wiped all culture, koreans revived it adn made it there own.
prtyfly4aaznguy9 4 years ago
I was just wondering, but is kumdo the same thing as kendo, but just the korean word for it? cuz if that's so, I don't understand what ppl are arguing about. It's like accusing every other country that plays ice hockey for copying Canada (if that's where it came from)
UedaMasaki 4 years ago
Kendo and Kumdo are essentially the same. There are subtle differences like in the way the uniform is worn somewhat, and just a little bit in the way that it is taught.
gumdohi 4 years ago
Kendo is sports begun in Japan obviously. However, a Korean insists that its origin is Korea.
And they produce deceived people such as comment of here.
It is not to have watched a document guaranteeing their claim.
And they never do such a claim in Japan.
They deceive the human being who is ignorant of kendo.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
YO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!
aznwutang213 4 years ago
I came over here.
Do you have business to me?
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
they are not the same.
they have basic differences from eachother. through these differences the whole art is completely different from the other.
such as strategy and cutting method...
philosophy and even the way u draw the sword. so they are not the same but im not denying that kumdo had japanese influence, but it is definately not a copy.
tkdazndude051 3 years ago
they r the same thing. just pronouncation differences. the websites that advertize kumdo/kendo as korean are headed by ppl who are still bitter about japanese occupation and write those kind of things. i just hope the new generation will soon take over kumdo organiztions and clarify its history and hopefully end this constant, pointless arguments
sleepykid156 4 years ago 2
There is an international match for kendo. There is not an international match in kumdo. Do not you feel it strangely?
If kumdo is the Korea origin, a Korean explains the origin to the world and holds an international match of kumdo and does not think that you should boycott an international match of kendo?
Why does a Korean participate in an international match of Japanese kendo every year?
echizen444 4 years ago
Wow. Everytime I see a video that exudes any kind of pride in Korean culture (or media, martial arts, sports, etc.), there's always a Japanese person to make a sly and demeaning comment. What makes it worse are the Koreans that become defensive (like the Japanese), and retaliate. Someone mentioned the "truth" about our heritage. Please don't degrade that word by using it with spiteful connotations. It's disgusting.
FormerDeathMachine 4 years ago
Is Japan unfair?
Will it be a Korean that spread nonsense?
We think of such a mean Korean unpleasantly. Do you think that there is legitimacy for their claim?
If you are a South Korean American, my voice will not reach you.
marz12aug 4 years ago 3
wells do you have to accuse korea in the first place?
if there are no spiteful comments to begin with, there will be no spiteful replies
heffyendd 4 years ago
At first it is a kumudo group to have spread the false origin.
marz12aug 4 years ago 2
Word.
aznwutang213 4 years ago
Please tell me how BLUE won this?
I cant see clearly on my screen how Blue scored..
AlanMolstad 5 years ago
Hey, it's not our fault (contemporany Koreans) that Japanese occcupied Korea and destroyed many valuable cultural stuff. All we are doing is having some inevitable influence.
Junhobby 5 years ago
Just to comment on what Seir wrote, it's only the upper wrist that counts, which depends on your opponent's stance and it's not necessary to call out where you're attacking, but you do have to ki-hap (at least in my federation, the rules might be different in others). Also, only a hit from the upper portion of the sword (which is marked, but hard to see on the video) is counted.
Youngdude111 5 years ago
copying is the wrong word :)
its called influence, and if thats how you want it, then japan copied china to begin with, and if you really want to go back further, the chinese copied the indians, and so on. its not copying.
btw, kendo was introduced into korea in 1945, and the koreans called in kumdo (korean for kendo.) only recently (few decades) has it diverged from kendo - its go the same roots (any twat can see that) but its changed itself.
ubersum1 5 years ago
I do not mind that I change it. . .
However, does a Korean forge the origin of kendo? When Korea made kendo, they publicize it.
Do not you mind even it?
marz12aug 5 years ago
Koreans know the origins of kendo too, since Kumdo is the korean word for kendo. the koreans who publicize kendo as a korean martial art are those same ones who probably are bitter about the japanese occupation of korea, where actual korean martial arts were banned and replaced by the japanese ones. In reality, everybody knows the truth, so it doesnt matter.
ubersum1 5 years ago
Association of Kumdo will make fraud so in Europe and America.
If they hate Japan, will they be forgiven?
A description of their homepage distorts the origin of kendo definitely.
It is profanity for martial arts.
marz12aug 5 years ago
I will never EVER understand why people accuse Japan of copying things. Especially not when I see stuff like this.
When will they FINALLY admit that Korea does not have Martial Arts of their own? They all come from Japan. Even those things like "Musado" and "Hwarang Do"...
With Tae Kwon Do you can already see that VERY good... with Kumdo... you must be blind not to see it.
kenninast 5 years ago
Are you saying Hwa Rang Do was copied from a Japanese martial art?
FormerDeathMachine 4 years ago
wow are u a ****ing idiot? Japan copied many things.. EVERY COUNTRY HAS COPYIED OTHERS. First of all, Japan has never excelled as much as other countries in martial arts because they relied on technology from the west so much. And are you japanese or korean? if your not then you should really stfu cause its obvious that you know NOTHING of any asian culture. Korea does have their own marial arts. How about u study a bit first before u blabber your smart mouth away.
pcxhunter 4 years ago
I think I know more about Asia than you are possible able to grasp.
Of course, Japan copied, but not more than any other country. Japan has a name of "copying only" which is not quite true.
If Japan has, every country has.
That is my entire point.
And that Japan relied on technology from the west? Not quite true. Japan relies on western technology since 1860 but never before.
kenninast 4 years ago
When the Mongols first invaded Japan, 1274, Japanese forces got defeated, as Japanese fought with what they deemed to be "honour". They introduced themselves before the fight, making wonderful targets for the mongolian bows. At the end, Japan was saved only by a taifun... the first "kamikaze", the winds of the gods/spirits.
In 1281, when the Mongolians tried a second invasion, Japan retaliated very strong.