TT Grand National vs Evo

[MrMarkpark]

It would have been nice to see who won the second race but evidently Muhamed Ali was the only guy with a video camera that day.

[RegalTurboT87]

He most certainly could have built boost without smoking em.

it's the street, not the track blah blah.

he prolly got a lil cocky and lost, happens to everyone.

[grayham87]

if the guy in the grand national launched hard he would spin like crazy, its on the streets.....you guy are fucking retarded it would have killed the evo on the track.......Some people are just retarded

[STAGEIIGN]

AWD is king on the street. guy in the GN drove like a cunt

[MarvinSanti]

The GN's driver is a pussy who doesn't know how to launch an automatic turbo car...

[certifiedThizzeR]

WHERE ARE THEY RACING AT

[GGGGGGGTHEBEST7]

That shit was nowehere near a TT lmfao

probably a regular GN but if you want to go all out with your modded EVO which is one of my favorite cars i would say go against a stock GNX and that shit would make you sell your evo asap

[Theturbo6guy]

no boosting on launch? cmon man brake boost it you woulda shat on that peevo

[oohklu]

it lopked like the gn was catching the evo

[bergaflickal]

gn didnt build boost b4 launch bad driver

[grayham87]

@bergaflickal why would he build boost on street with that power.. he will just sit there and spin.. thats why you could hear him get into it slowly so it hooks.....FACE PALM!!

[bergaflickal]

@grayham87 he could have built a small amount i would guess he had sticky tires so it wouldnt be 2 bad an idea

[StreikerJ]

AWD is cheatin :O lol

[Ilovegirlfights2]

is he running the esp twin turbo kit?

[alakazam2929]

nice hands camera man,swear he was gettin scared from that monster GN,and i doubt that GN was a twin turbo,it didnt sound loud enough for me,if it was then that jap car woulda been eatin exhaust and the ricer kids would been bitchin"oh he had 2 turbos,take one off blah blah blah"...fucking fags

[naracermcb1]

lol. i think its funny when people compare cars on the street. especialy when its and awd car vs rwd and the gnx is 4000 pounds. i give respect to little rice cars. ive been beat by its neat to see a small motor make that kind of power. but better to see big car thats 20 years old hold with it on the street.

[RegalTurboT87]

So the GN heats the tires and then when it's time to race he doesn't even really spool up the turbo before the launch.(He does a little) I'm not saying that the Evo isn't fast, but I am saying it's not a badass car. It's a chick car totally, do you know why? because if a girl call your car cute..uhh. Plus! That is probably the most annoying sound when they take off. I better only see chicks n asians (both would crash muscle, sad but true) driving that car, I would just shake my head otherwise.

[madrx2]

mitsubishi owns that p.0.s buick! :)... Who say's milk and juice come in 2l?

[psychotikpaisano]

Actually, milk and juice come in gallons; coincidentally, one gal is 3.8 LITERS!

[BLACKSHEEPc10]

your comparing rice with a legend kid

[madrx2]

@BLACKSHEEPc10

Im not a fan of the evo's, I used to own one..They are alright but have limited potential...But you see more sub 10second evo's running original blocks than you do gn's.

[hildebrand198881]

atleast american cars dont need to be highly tuned other then these overated civics get it like this ppl japanese cars need turbos supercahrgers or nos or whatever else to even keep up with american im tired of ppl saying this civic is fast yea with a turbo u can put a turbo on anything who cars if its cheaper if you can afford it cool but anyone that has a vette can buy a civic ya know what im saying im tired of ppl arguing over stupid crap

[psychotikpaisano]

I feel pity for the evo's clutch :(

And bad driver :)

[madrx2]

How is he even a bad driver you douchbag?... That's how you get off the line in an 4wd turbo, Rev it and dump the clutch..And smoke that slow ass grand national

[sinusbradycardia]

If you are calling a GN slow, you're a moron!

[madrx2]

It would be slow if it was a street car in australia...Believe me

[Topfueltrooper]

Obviously a SEVERELY modded EVO, a stock evo or even a mildly tuned one would would be raped by the GN.

[125035649721]

mmm!!! the grand nationas is better!! ;)

[sultaraco]

Nice job Evo!!!but kudos to the GN for being the best in its time,its like the son beating the father in a race,honorable loss.

[jamcousi9]

Wish we could see who won.Single turbo GN btw

[Jyd1337]

Both cars are sweet, get over your pissing contests and enjoy them both. You could say that if it weren't for the GN, cars like the evo wouldn't be like they are today, and evos have manufactured beautifully since then. Respect to both beauties.

[JX426]

twin turbo GN :) sweet

[JaHarrison01]

props for the grand national keeping with the evo on the launch

[TupacX2Pak]

Yeah thats what I was thinking too, considering its RWD fair effort

[imadrunkenfool]

the GNX just couldnt hook up on the launch. shoulda brought his drag radials to run an AWD car . Hard to beat AWD when its launching off the rev limiter. love both cars though

[westfabrications]

Totally agree!!

[sinusbradycardia]

I think a Grand National Mod for Mod or dollars spent on the mods, takes the EVO. See my other posts. I raced a stock Typhoon and it wasn't even close. Of course my GN is modded and I've said it a million times before, anyone can have a fast or fastest car if they have the cash. Doesn't matter what it is. People need to stop being such dumb shits when it comes to these cars GN, supra, evo, most don't come from the factory at the level of performance we see on youtube.

[RicoSuave229]

Thats true indeed. I go on and on telling people you can make anything go fast as long as you got the cash. I've seen a banshee run 5.20s in the 1/8th come on a damn 4-wheeler. So these sideways ass ppl need to stop crying like bitches. He got beat he got beat. Both has mods but the evo is just better here. Sorry EVO FTW WIN.

[sinusbradycardia]

Thank you! Couldn't have said it better myself. I don't give a shit about this domestic vs import business. I just don't the like the ignorance that is displayed when it comes to these cars. Just like imports are hated, the GN is one of the most hated cars by both domestic and import owners a like. I do not understand why. They are certainly not POS and for their day they were bad ass. Not a whole lot domestic or import was touching these cars in 86/87.

[RadialSkid]

I find that the ones who leave comments bashing one particular car from videos like this are generally completely ignorant of the car they're slamming. This is no exception.

The Evo fanboys posting here probably think the GN has a V8 in it. And to be fair, anyone who knocks the Evo probably doesn't understand the competitive edge that AWD gives it.

[kageryu311]

smart guy.

[sinusbradycardia]

btw, that evo sounds sweet.  too me at least. I still haven't gotten a response from my coworker in Brazil. He is the one with evo and I thought he said 700hp and ran an 11.3s

[raider123456789123]

There is about 18 year difference in both those cars!!

[RicoSuave229]

Damn I see so many excuses for the GN but if the evo lost everyone would be up in this bitch going crazy. Yall are some sideways ass ppl. Shit yall keep babb'n about awd but if you listen the evo is spinning like a bitch awd cars spin to. The GN just got is ass handed to him, just take that lose like men and stop crying like babies. If the Gn this if the Gn that. Shit that evo is only a 4cyl to a tt V6, give the evo props. Lmao about these fukin excuses.

[cjdistheman1]

they both are great cars so im not making excuses the Gn lost that's that

[sinusbradycardia]

If you call that race a GN getting its ass handed to it, you're outright retarded.

What mods were done to the EVO and to the GN? What year is GN? Are you going to tell me that stock for stock an EVO beats an 86 or 87 GN or GNX? To answer your question, fastest GN 6 in the world belongs to Len Freeman - 6.96. Bill Andersen 7.25. Of course these are not street legal rides. I know of a Turbo Buick here in MI that is 7.87 and is street legal, its owned by white racing.

[Jac1010101]

yes

[19Clutch69]

Camera worked sucked. Sorry too much vibration, dont know who won in the video.

[infantryarmy77]

awd cars are for homos that cant drive

[jabroni9399]

looked like they were on the f*ckin highway or somethin lol, used to race in cornfields and shit haha, how the times have change

[venom84]

ahhh i miss those nites

[marc96accord]

me too, Raleigh PD got our spots on fucking lock now

[deepengrave]

AWD cars are for pussys!!!!

[HKSpoweredS13]

butthole subs

[HKSpoweredS13]

clam sandwiches

[stinko5634]

the guy in the evo can't shift for shit

[WhatAFluke]

i think if the race went longer the grand natioinal woulda taken it (close to the end you could already see it catching up)........the evo will of course get it off the start cuz its awd

[smithlarryjr]

Thats not a TT Grand National for one... he lost though no biggie

[cjdistheman1]

Grand Nationals are faster then EVOs. But they are still great cars

[RicoSuave229]

How so pal?

[xmuzzx]

yea yea its fast off the launch but seriously do you think he's going to make many launches like that and expect it to survive? he will be on the rev limiter one of these times and when he drops the clutch his front diff will go bye bye and he will look like a jackass.

[87spools]

the evo will win outta the hole all day.....go to the track and check the slips to see who has the best 1/4 time and i bet its the gn.

[DirtyJerseySS]

i agree.

[sfwdcivic]

grand national was going to lose either way. evo's are domestics perfect match. They got the traction needed to put the power down and the 4cyl turbo with high rpms, gear ratios, and wide power band just give it to them.

[dgk990]

evo has awd, and the tt doesn't and it would smoke any tuner car anyday

[RicoSuave229]

How can u prove that?

[dgk990]

prove that the EVo has AWD?

it's a fact, look it up.

the GN is way heavier, only RWD, and like 20 years old.

the EVO barely beat him.

[RicoSuave229]

Not that its awd, but the GN can beat any tuner car anyday. Get out of fairytale land dog and come to reality they got 4 wheelers running in the 4s anythang possible. GNs are fast but wat is the fastest 6cyl GN in the world???

[sinusbradycardia]

RicoSuave's input not withstanding, I like EVOs, Supras & I own an 86 GN. My buddy had an EVO that ran an 11.3, dyno @700hp @ a cost of 8 or 9k though. I was able 2 get my GN n the 11s with following combo & cost. adjustable wastegate $70 Walbro 340 fuel pump $200 Razor Alky Injection $450 Turbo Tweak Alky Chip $100 MT Drag Radials - $300 injectors $249 23lbs of boost stock turbo & intercooler Result 11.92 @ 114mph Not bad 4 a 23 year old car & in 86/87 there was nothing touching these cars.

[RicoSuave229]

For one a 700hp evo running 11s naw bogus unless yo buddy cant drive. I have seen 300+hp evos run in the 11s so come a lil better than that.

[sinusbradycardia]

I'll double check. Because he used to own his own garage. I was talking to him about getting my GN into the 10s and this is what he told me. The lives in Brazil now, but when he was in the states he lived in New Jersey. I'll let you know if I misquoted him. I certainly don't want to give the impression that I'm making shit up.

[sinusbradycardia]

Rico - directly from my buddies mouth

"Hi Chales,

How is everything?

My EVO it was almost stock, the car that I had with a lot of power it was the Mitsu Eclipse 2.4 stroke Turbo AWD.

T66 garret ball bearing , forged piston etc!!! had 700HP @ 30 to 33 PSI. I ran 11.2 at 124 MPH with no traction on the take off (street tires), I never had a chance to use race tires.

You make me remember good times at the race track.

Did you fixed your car?

Stahl"

He does own an evo, but his DR car -Eclispe.

[valdi9165]

The GN has the sound of your death. It the evo will lose. Guaranteed.

[Theturbo6guy]

the gn left on vacuum is what it sounded like to me.

Just like that 1 guy said, stall or transbrake and about 8-9psi from the start and the gn most likely would've pulled

[verdigo15]

totally agree! He didn't have any boost built up...its tough for a twin turbo street race...unless you have a guy who is willing ot wait until both cars are totally built up and then drop the arms.

[carlace007]

Damn That TT Grand National Is A Fucking Beast It Give The EVO a Run For It's Money Wow !

[VinnyGN]

The Grand National is a faster car, that's all there is to it. Maybe it was slightly out of tune.

[turbo638]

Evos are for Emos

[Gthangorangatang]

that is no twin turbo regal...if it was it would have smoked the evo....if u listen to the regal u can tell that it is not dumbass. and if it is neither of the turbo's were giving boost

[Theturbo6guy]

yea.if the gn had stall or transbrake the outcome would have been different it sounded like he launched with 0 boost

[txhd7]

I would rather have that Buick Grand National than the Evo any day

[QuickBuick87]

I've raced 2 Evos with my 11 sec GN and smoked them both. Wasn't looking to run the 2nd one but the driver was pretty cocky and said he smoked a dozen or so GN's so we raced and I beat him by about 4 car lengths. They're nice cars, but some of the drivers are pretty cocky.

[RadialSkid]

Unfortunately, this is true of many car "fanboys." BMW fans are probably the worst about it.

[listlesssleeper]

you must live in cali; bmw owners are terrible(here especially).

[RadialSkid]

Mississippi, actually. Thanks to the internet, however, I can now deal with snobbish, ignorant BMW fans the world over. :(

The sad thing is I like BMWs, or pre Bangle-era models, anyway. The new ones are so lame that as far as I'm concerned BMW just doesn't exist anymore.

[listlesssleeper]

but the heated seats are nice :D

[revcom301]

Shitty GN got pwned by the mighty Evo!

[benzlover55]

shitty? and what do you drive may I ask?

[Theturbo6guy]

yea the freakin evo has to redline just to produce any h.p. or torque, the evo aint got shit on tq. thats one dope ass gn tho...

[kliped]

redline? umm no....try 2 step and its spining all 4s off the line, i am pretty sure it is making enough tq

[sethro125xxx]

um no im pretty sure he is redlining it i know i own a gn now and used to have a 2001 celica i blew it up cuz i wasnt used to a car with no torque i was racing a Subaru WRX sti whe she blew cylinder 1 sky high i might add the is no replacement for detroit muscle no matter what!!!!!!!!!!

[kliped]

a couple of my buddies have evos and that is a reflashed 2step, not redline. you used to have a 15 second celica and were trying to race against a mid to low 13 second wrx?

[kliped]

no replacement for displacement, i agree only for top fuel dragster level, funny cars and rail cars but other than that, there are 2.0 turbo 4 cylinders going high 7s low 8s. john shepard used to drive his car to the track when it was a mid 8sec car. there are 4 cylinder NA hondas going low 9s. over all 4cylinder cars are a lot more efficent and make more power per liter and per cylinder.

[RadialSkid]

It has "high horsepower per liter" is like saying "Gary Coleman is tall for a midget." They're still tiny engines and still produce overall unimpressive horsepower figures.

The only reason they're even competitve with larger displacement cars is the presence of AWD...and that only helps off the line. It becomes a crutch further down the strip, due to the parasitic power loss of an AWD system.

[kliped]

unimpressive hp numbers?!?!? are you fucking joking me, last time i checked most 4cylinder and 6cylinder engines that are actually being built for power are right on par with your all might v8 engines, but have half the displacement and cylinders.

[RadialSkid]

Show me a gasoline powered 4 cylinder that produces over 2000 horsepower. Hell, show me one that produces over 1000 horsepower.

[kliped]

hmmm....lets see, john shepards eagle talon produces over 1000hp on race gas, so does ams's evo, buscher's evo, shodowns eagle talon, almost all the ecotec race cars, almost all the scion race cars, i mean i can keep on naming them all day. there is a 4cylinder dragster that produces over 4000hp, look it up, it has an acura intergra shell

[RadialSkid]

Race gas? Hah! I KNEW you would pull this cop-out. There are forced induction V8s that pull 1000 horsepower and higher on 93 octane.

That 4000 horsepower Acura dragster, last I checked runs nitromethane, IE, it's a top fuel dragster. Top fuel V8s produce over 9000 horsepower.

[kliped]

actually they produce over 8000 and its only estimated.

what exactly is wrong with putting down high hp on race gas? also please show me a 1000hp v8 that runs 93 octane, because i have not seen one of those yet. (not saying its impossible just want some proof)

[RadialSkid]

"please show me a 1000hp v8 that runs 93 octane"

The Lingenfelter Corvette produces 1100 horsepower on the chassic dyno (that's not even corrected to the higher SAE crank rating) on 93 octane gas. Practically any modern hot rod magazine will have a feature on some 1000+ horsepower V8 street car, usually turbocharged.

If you still doubt me, google "Red Victor."

[kliped]

i didnt doubt you, i simply said i never have seen it myself. also those cars that i have mentioned, are all AllWHP rated not crank rated.

i am not arguing that there is a replacement for displacement, all i am saying is the all mighty v8 is not all that special anymore....

[listlesssleeper]

red victor is crazy, 236hp per liter is high for an efficient turbo 4 banger, and red victor does it with a massive 8. 2200hp is rediculous.

[kliped]

another thing, last time i checked a high hp v8 car with stock suspension and all season tires hooks just as well as a high hp fwd car with stock suspension and all season tires.

[kliped]

no replacement for displacement, i agree only for top fuel dragster level, funny cars and rail cars but other than that, there are 2.0 turbo 4 cylinders going high 7s low 8s. john shepard used to drive his car to the track when it was a mid 8sec car. there are 4 cylinder NA hondas going low 9s. over all 4cylinder cars are a lot more efficent and make more power per liter and per cylinder.

[lilgypsy0707]

yea the 4g63 produces around 280 on tq.,stock the buick lc2 cranks around 380 stock. Plus the evo has a manual trans and launch control, think about how long those diffrentials and joints are going to be dependable for, i still have to say the evo is nice but i would rather have an american muscle any day....

[daltex81]

sorry buddy you need to watch what you say because there are some GN out there that can spank your mighty EVO! Can your mighty EVO do an 8 second pass or lower? I THINK NOT!!

[kageryu311]

Yes is can just search for 7 second ams evo.

[landshark404]

yea, but that 10 sec. evo probably drove to the track, ran, and drove home... that gran national with it drag tires most deffinently did not... and there is a 6 and 7 secound dsm out there... but never the less.. I love both cars.. and before you bash, yes i own a eclipse, and yes my dad owns a GN.. which will be mine when he dies.. yay

[badassv6]

I think if there was more straight road that GN would have got him.

[negativeindustrial]

Exactly why, though I have mad respect for the GN's, I prefer myself a ralley car [Tho not EVO or STI].

Seriously - some of you guys should leave the egos at home for a bit and check out some ralley videos - amazing automotive performances.

The sign of a true and intelligent enthusiast is respect for all tuned vehicles. They were all built for a purpose - watch them [and admire them] in their intended element.

[dominicanloc454]

heck yeah they got balls that evo could have spank that grandnational like a red head step child but it was launching to high its needs to lauch at about 4500rpms and its 0-60 in 4.5 secounds

[LiLTMac123]

these dudes got balls blocking the hwy like that

[0558536]

TT my butt! That was a single turbo and looked to me the GN caught the Evo in the first run. Nice for an Evo, but I'll still take the GN!

[dynasty321]

for evos sake please stop launching it so high!!!!

[rompn4x]

Lets see how many more times the driveline on that Evo can take a 6k launch...

[phatkix]

werd