The Bible's MOST ancient languages are archeologically proven to be Hebrew and Greek in the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. Therefore, it is only CONSTITUTIONAL for the Christians to use the Hebrew "Yahweh" and the Greek "Theos" rather than the Arabic "Allah". Get the fact straight, will ya?
HOW MANY WITNESSES DO YOU, MUSLIMS, THINK ARE NEEDED TO AFFIRM SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A PROPHET OF ALLAH if sura 24:13 is for adultery?
THERE IS NO SURA IN THE QURAN THAT SAYS ALLAH HAD PROVIDED Mohammad WITH WITNESSES like ALLAH HAD PROVIDED FOR MOSES[Exodus 19:17 & 38:26] & JESUSMat 3:17 & John 20:26-31, right?
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allah milik kristian, sebabnya kristian wujud 2000 tahun lebih awal daripada agama islam dgn menggunakan kalimah Allah. kalu x percaya, rajinlah2 kaji pasal agama. Malaysia ni kata je 1Malaysia, tapi lebih mementingkan melayu drpd bangsa lain.
@AaronRowski Aaron ur name??WOW!U know a story about Prophet Aaron in the Bibble..He creat a Gold Calf to Israel to worship(Exodus 32:1) Is this type of 'Prophet'? or anybody change it? compare with Quran 20:85 Surah Taha..God explain the truth about innocent Prophet Aaron.
When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq 428)
@recharg34 Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."Quran Ali Imran:64
Tabari VII:62 "I cut off Abu Jahl's head and brought it to the Messenger. 'O Allah's Prophet, this is the head of the enemy of Allah.' Muhammad said, 'Praise be to Allah.'"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran 2:55 Allah(The God)!There is no God but Him,the Alive,the Eternal.Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him.Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth.Who is he that intercedeth with Him but by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them,while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will.His throne includeth the heavens and the earth,and He is never weary of preserving them.He is the Sublime,the Tremendous!This is God!
@moeazysgc what does that islamic quote have to do with anything I said I can give you thousands of christian verses or quotes too? Also if your religion is so Loving and True and open why does the Taqiyya exist? and why do you deny that muhammad killed people or stole or raped woman because historians not only prove this but also your own islamic writings prove this?
@moeazysgc Bukhari:V4B52N256 "The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, 'Their women and children are from them.'"
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
and further more in this text it says the comforter will preach Jesus...does mohammed or did he ever proclaim Jesus Christ? no muhammad claimed to be higher than jesus and preached a different Jesus
Jesus also said He would send the comforter did mohammed ever say that Christ sent Him? and why are muslims against Jesus and the message/story of Christ if Christ sent him (mohammed) don't think so also Mohammed is never mentioned in any biblical text that I know of.
you muslims also believe that muhammad was the holy spirit which Jesus Christ spoke about which is also a lie since the holy spirit came onto the apostles before muhammad was born. and jesus said the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
this was written by paul the holy apostle before islam or muhammad ever existed “But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
Muhammad did not come from God he was a man and only a man he created islam by plagiarizing from Christianity that is why islam has many similiar stories that have been distorted because muhammad copied the stories and changed them and at the time made many mistakes like changed the names of certain people. Muhammad had nothing to do with the arabs that were pagans he simply lied to them to convert them so he could serve his won agenda of obtaining woman,land,money and power
@recharg34 Yes Muhammad was a Normal Man just like Jesus n they r both prophets/Messengers of God! Is it too Hard for God 4 created Jesus from a miracle Birth with no Male intervention,"No"it is Too easy 4 God he created no Begot a son this is a Animal(Creature created by God) trait u give to God who encompasses All knowledge n All things in the heaven n earth with Ease! Nothing is too hard for God! God is not apart of his creation He is Exalted/Above it!God is infinite n his creation is Finite!
@moeazysgc well God came as man in order to sacrifice his life for us because that is how much he loved us he also wanted to show his love what better way for God to show his life then come on earth as man and die to save us. And muhammad was not illiterate he actually could write because he ran a major business which proves he could because unless he could read and write, he could not properly run his business affairs. And the Meccans were familiar with reading and writing.
@recharg34 U r saying "God committed suicide to Forgive Our sins" Another Huge Blasphemy thing U say about God almighty Who can do all things(Good) n Forgive all sins Excepted 4 not believing in Him n Associating partners with God! Muhammad(saw) was illiterate,he ran no business but helped people in trading n was an honest man who was responsible holding people Valuables while they traveled!Most of the Meccas were also illiterate!
@moeazysgc can you please answer my other questions?and Jesus did not commit suicide he did not kill himself but allowed others to take his life as a sacrifice to God for our sins. in order to understand this you would have to understand the Holy Trinity which you seem to have a lot of trouble with it is three divine persons in one God. & God the spirit did not die but his bodily form did and he was then resurrected quickly afterwards why cant God do these things are you putting a limit on God?
@moeazysgc by the way your definination of muhammad business practices it would seem that it would require him to know how to read and write. because he did run a business as a merchant and as a merchant it would require him to know how to count which even you can not deny this so if muhammad knew how to count then he would know how to read and write because during muhammads time numbers as we know them today were not used but letters were used as numbers.
@moeazysgc The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month (Ibn Kathir)
@moeazysgc God is above his creation that is why Jesus christ was and still is above man you make it as if God gave up all his power and right to be God when he come on earth this is not true. Jesus Christ was pure and did miraculous things and he even claimed that their will be false prophets who will come after him and say they are from God but they are liars and Muhammad was one of those false prophets because he had no right and proof that he was a prophet!
another question is if allah commanded muhammad to seek guidance from the bible then why do muslims say the bible is corrupted you cant have it both ways is the bible corrupted or not and how can you pick what is corrupted?
@moeazysgc If islam is true and muhammad was telling the truth why is their so many contradictions in the koran I mean its not supposed to be wrong? also Muhammad was allowed to do so many corrupt and immoral things what kind of God would allow his servant to start wars,kill innocent people,marry and rape woman, and loot? also If muhammad is so right why does he do everything the opposite of Jesus Christ ? Jesus Christ loves and is not voilent while muhammad killed people and used the sword?
@moeazysgc quran,surat al-tawbe,verse 29 says "fight against such of those who have been given the scripture as believe not in allah nor the last day, and forbid not that which allah hath forbidden by his messenger and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily,being brought low"
can you explain this verse because this verse does not sound something like a peaceful loving God/Allah who created us and loves everyone would promote or say?hope to hear from you soon thanks
Jesus told the Samaritan woman that he is the Messiah (Jn 4:25-26)
Jesus affirmed Peter's statement that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mt 16:15-17, see also Mk 8:29-30, Lk 9:20-21)
Jesus told the high priest that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mk 14:61-62, Mt 26:63-64, Lk 22:70)
Jesus is God and the holy trinity says that all three God Jesus and Holy spirit are one not three Gods. can you give me prove where it says that the trinity is three Gods? no you cant
John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
@recharg34 it is Not Just a Word it Allah is Singular name of God Meaning The God=The One n Only God with No Partners n No Offspring's,Unique from his creation above it(Creation) Not apart of It(Creation)! That is what Allah Means The Christians want The word Allah to become Pagan again to make it Plural many gods(trinity) or a Man god(Jesus)!This can't happen because the meaning of the word can not be used to represent a god /gods But is represented to be used for the name of a God the creator!
@moeazysgc I wanted to respond to your comment with respect but wow how can I because you might just be the dumbest person alive. If you read my comment earlier you would see christians used the word before muslims did and used it to refer to the one living God and Muslims have nothing to do with the word Allah! Christians do not have more than one god do not use it as plural They have one and only one God you are misunderstanding the trinity it is three in one not three Gods!
@recharg34 No i understand the Trinity Perfectly it's u who doesn't! Christians ask me why does God use the words "We""Us" n"Our" i understand THE Semitic languages so i tell them Arabic n Hebrew both r semitic languages n have Plural in Numbers n Plural of Respect! The plural used i tell them is plural in respect the royal plural that kings n Queens use But Christians say No it's because Of Trinity so originally Trinity is three gods to represent the father(god),The son(god)n Holy spirit(god)!
@moeazysgc ok so you are saying its impossible for god to turn into man? are you putting a limit into Gods power? secondly you did say allah is an idol because you clearly said the arabs worshipped him from the pagans and that he was an idol so you are saying the God you worshipped is an idol. Allah does mean God in arabic and you muslims have no patent on the name christians used it before you and they have more right to the name! if you are trying to have a religious debate then u cant win.
@recharg34 My brother sister This is what they(The dominions of the Satan) want u to believe!Read the Quran God says they will say Muhammad Plagiarized/Copied the Quran but Muhammad was illiterate! God said most of them will reject,Most of them(Mankind) do!This is Blasphemy to say God was a mere man who defecated n urinated,who needed nourishment to sustain or live,Ur are limiting God The self subsisting the Creator He is not the created!God is the Most high he is too Great to be compared to!
@moeazysgc Also it is not blasphemy for God to do the things as man because God created man in his image and in the start of time the things we do now like urinating were not seen as improper or nasty. God loves man and he showed his love by being man God chose to come on Earth and Jesus Christ proved he was God by all the miraculous things he did resurrecting the dead,healing the sick,creating food out of nothing,walking on water and so on while muhammad did not do any of these things!
Arabic Christians used the word way before Islam existed and they used it to refer to The Christian God and Arabic Christians took that word from the Aramaic speaking Christians such as the Assyrians and their word was Elahah. So the Word Allah originally came from the word Elahah which was used by Aramaic Christians to refer to God they were first then it was taken by Arabic Christians then taken after that By Arabic Muslims!
Arabic Christians used the word way before Islam existed and they used it to refer to The Christian God and Arabic Christians took that word from the Aramaic speaking Christians such as the Assyrians and their word was Elahah. So the Word Allah originally came from the word Elahah which was used by Aramaic Christians to refer to God they were first then it was taken by Arabic Christians then taken after that By Arabic Muslims!
@recharg34 U forgot Ishmael was the Father of the Arabs!The Arabs worship the God of Abraham some of them went astray afterwards n took up idol! Even though Allah was the God of their Fathers they started worshiping idols they made Allah the supreme deity greater then the other gods! Go head research it Allah is the God of Abraham Allah is one n has no partners(trinity) n is not a man,Jesus was limited in his knowledge of Hour,Jesus died,God does not die,God knows All things,God created Jesus!
@moeazysgc ok so you admit that the muslim God is false and is an idol but yet you still say he is the God of abraham how does that make sense? Abraham has nothing to do with muslim God he worshipped the one true living God not an idol or deity because islam came way after abraham, Judaism or christianity! and the muslim Allah is an idol created by muhammad and popularized by him so that the evil false prophet muhammad can get money,land,women and many other pleasures with lies and war!
@recharg34 Who said Allah was an idol U did,Not me! Allah is the God of Abraham then n now....Period! Stop lying to ur self U worship Allah! Jesus worshiped n Prayed to Allah(The God) who created Him Miraculously with no Male intervention is that hard for God to do,No!Why do u have to give God animal traits like the Begotten son,God Begets(Reproduces),God gave birth to a Man,this is pure Blasphemy!Also Jesus never claimed to be God, in many verses Jesus is said to be the Prophet of God clearly!
@moeazysgc Jesus is God and man because nothing is impossible for God. You say that because Jesus died he does not know all things which is dumb since Jesus is the one who purposely died on the cross to save our souls from sin! all because he died for us does not mean he is not all knowing because jesus could of freed himself from dying and didnt have to come on earth as a man but did in order to save mankind and you are forgetting one thing Jesus Christ resurrected himself which only God can do
@recharg34 Yes Nothing is Impossible But to say What God isn't is Blasphemy! God clearly says he is not a Man in the bible,Jesus never said He was God,Jesus said in Mathew 4:10"You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve."Meaning God has No partners,No Offspring's(Son/Sons/daughter/ daughters/Children) Allah(The God) aka the Father,"Begets Not Nor is He Begotten"! Once u say God Begets a son u r saying Blasphemy n Giving God animal like traits,God is Not like his creation!
@moeazysgc I just want to say one last thing to you what does other arabs using the word allah to refer to a false idol have to do with christians using it? because the christian arabs used it before any other arabs and they took it from the aramaic middle eastern christians! you made it as if the idol worshipping arabs created the word allah which is a lie because arab christians created it by taking it from the middle eastern aramaic christians who used the word Elahah!
@recharg34 Did u Understand what i said Abraham was the Father of IshmaEL the father of the Arabs!The descendent's of Ishmael worshiped the God of Abraham! Many generations later the descendent's of Ishmael strayed into idolatry n took up idol worship! Muhammad came to reconfirm the truth n Establish the religion of Abraham n Allah the One God of Mankind,Not ilah n Hubal the False moon gods of the Pagan Meccan's!Educated yourself n Research Understand that Allah is Not a Human! Read the Quran!
@cshook123 what are you taking about Their are many words which can be used to mean God because their are many languages! and allah is just a word meaning God its not a specific God! Muslims just try to make it as if everything is theirs which is dumb and people like you and the muslims need to learn about this stuff before writing comments!
what the hell is wrong with this? allah is the arabic word for god, thus anyone worshipping god may wish to use the word allah. islam and christianity don't have a claim on the word, even yemeni jews call god allah
If the "Son" did not come from your mother cunt, then he must have come from your bloody asshole!! How could the god's "Son" came from a human cunt if he was not a human being!!?? Your "Holy Ghost" does it has cunt, cock or asshole??? I wonder if can also be the chosen god!! Blame Paul/Saul the Liar!!
Haha, that was amusing. You're insults mean very little as your intellect is obviously very low. You are a nice example of the "infinte monley theorem". However, i think the monkey would do better.
To the Christians, the word Allah cannot be in plural form, but your gods are plural gods. Three in one. One in three.. Your god is like the pagan gods. I have penis and if your god/gods have too, then might as well I be the god.. Then every Christians should be baptised by sucking my penis...
What don't you called your Fucking Christian God as Vishnu, Buddha, Kali, because all these name attribute to fucking being. Your Trinity Gods have Father, mother and son surely they are fucking gods. The Muslims, their God is Ahad (Oneness, No father, No Mother no sons or daughters..
Fail on your behalf. The trinity is not Father, Mother and Son; it's Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's pretty sad you have to learn this from an atheist, just shows you don't know the slightest thing about religion.
Fail on your behalf. The trinity is not Father, Mother and Son; it's Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's pretty sad you have to learn this from an atheist, just shows you don't know the slightest thing about religion.
So, if not from your mother cunt, the Son must had come out through your asshole then!!
@fdzy not all christians.... only the katholic christians...... dun use the word malaysian christian it is mean like all the christian in malaysia....
N yes kingkhan2,it would be appreciated if u mind your language on a non-communal international site.n in middle east,this is what is exactly happening..leave we christians in our original place that we came from..we are not cowards to run away but just pple whom obey the word of God n his promise to us that HE would give us our holy land in near time.hallejuah! Even before ur religion officially declared Jesus whom is the son of God as your prophet,HE was ours n we claim all rights to the hist
@MieowKutty First u mind ur language . And Jesus(as) was regarded as prophet much before the birth of Mohammed (as). When jesus was alive he was either called as liar (by some jews) and prophet by some jews . there was nothing like that filthy word "Son of God". Only after Jesus(as) departed paul the biggest liar, called jesus as son of God.its better to call jesus as liar than son of God as liar insults only jesus while
" son of God" insults God. God is better than Jesus.
Its not wrong if christians or any other call God as Allah. But why do xians call God Allah? they hate everything about Islam. They r using word Allah out of evil thinking. they just want to convert ppl with using that word. they wanna go to gullible muslims and say we love allah. and if they find muslims friendly, they tell that jesus is son of Allah. they can fall any low for conversion. they r worse than idol worshippers.
Im Coptic Christian. Our original language was Coptic. It was only after the islamic conquest of the middle east was our change of the language to arabic FORCED. This is still happening today when islam becomes dominant. Christians had their tongue cut off if they were speaking coptic. Allah of Islam is not the same GOD as Yaweh of the bible. When you compare the characteristics of the Islamic GOD & the Christian GOD you ll see many differences.
In Torah you ll see that God is given names. One is the Father. The torah is clear that we can address Yaweh as The Father. When Christ taught us how to pray, he began "Our,FATHER..." Quran gives 99 names to ALLAH & not 1 of the names is Father. Its a sin to call allah that. Allah also has lied and allows lies, (El Makir) According to the quran non muslims have their hearts hardened by allah so they WILL NOT ACCEPT ISLAM. BELIEVERS OF ISLAM HAD NO CHOICE
@mumswording torah never called God as father. its ur moronic church fathers who used that word. even torah is corrupted, nature of God in torah found simialr to God of Quran. God in Quran and Torah is jealous God, who loves laws,loves brave and just ppl who fight for him and his religion. ur xianity tels to worship jesus instead of God and dump all laws and become chicken and drop ur sword and live like sadist monk by abondoning marriage and moderate and normal life. yuck
@kingkhan2 as i stated mumu believed the scripture to be uncorrupt and even taught you should follow them as they are from ALLAH. Mumu also said NO person can corrupt allah word and Allah will protect his scripture. According to you then your allah is weak and a liar! Your position as a muslim is that a human was able to beat allah. A human was able to corrupt allahs word.
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance. God kept on sending new prophets to purify it.
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance. God kept on sending new prophets to purify it.
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance.
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance.
If God's words cant be corrupted by ppl then we would be following first law given Adam(as) (may be orally). If God wished he would ahve preserved it and prevented ppl from going astray. But u xians ahve pathetic belief that Torah is first divine book as if God ahs no concern for ppl born before Moses(As). FAct is divine books were corrupted coz its nature of God to test ppl.
no allah doesnt test. as a muslim allah gives muslims not choice. you must belive in predestination as a muslim. the problem is that according to your allah, man is already going to hell or heaven by the choice of allah before they re born. as a muslim it is allah who makes people unbelievers. it is allh who blinds the eyes and even causes people to sin. this goes agains the torah and the chraracter of God. Allah = Satan
@mumswording Predestination is complex issue. Thats why prophet told us to talk less of it. there r different views of it.
Some scholar says everthing is predestined coz God knew what ppl would be doing before their birth. Some scholars say only big things like to whom u marry ,what age u die, how many kids u have etc r predestined. God knows. -part1-
@mumswording the problem is that according to your allah, man is already going to hell or heaven by the choice of allah before they re born.- Allah already knew before who is going to use his brain or who is going to listen to his prophets and who is rebelling against his prophets out of madness of his elder's culture . He already knew who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Allah never makes anyone unbeliever. If ppl dont use their brain-Allah let them unguided.
if predestination is not true how come u get so many prophecies in divine books including bible? U ppl claim Bible mentioned a lot of future events. Its only possible if it is predestined.
As per xians jesus already warned about false prophets - so as per ur logic, jesus himself made false porphets. right?
How hebrew propehts used to tell jews about punishment going to inflict on future generation unless future is predestined? use brain.
coz Mohammed (pbuh) was last prophet. Since no prophet will come in future. God prevented Quran from any corruption. Otherwise Quran would be corrupted too.
Its mentioned in Quran that rabbis corrupted Torah for earthly benefits (Mostly by both means- changing words or changing meanings of words.
@kingkhan2 the fist muslims were clear. they believed that they were in alignment with the teachings of the torah and the bible. . The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible. Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11
A Muslim is obliged to believe in all the revelations of God. Sura 2:136; 4:136; 29:46
The calim of corruption didnt happen till 400 years AFTER muhamed
@mumswording Quran had mentioned truthfulness about Torah (without any doubt), but it was about true Torah given by Moses not the torah what is present Today.
Quran never ever said that the torah that jews and xians hold today is pure. On the contrary Quran clearly said ppl(rabbis & priests not name of paul is mentioned) had corrupted it. I will give reference with verses unlike u who just give number of verses.
@mumswording and in Quran ppl r told to refer Bible. But its only for Polytheists. At that time arabs were polytehists who beleived in God of Abraham (as they r children of Abraham through Hagar) beside many other demi gods. But they did not believe in monotheism, prophets,divine books,Life after Death etc. They used to mock mohammed for telling these new things unknown to them. So God told them that these things r not new but present in earlier revelations.So God told them to refer bible.
Nowhwere in Quran God told muslims to refer to Bible. And if Quran told muslims to follow bible( as u xians always lie) whats the need for Quran to tell that trinity is lie,Jesus was not son of God but prophet ? why do u christians talk like kids despite being grown up?
@kingkhan2 1064, Ibn-Khazem was the first muslim to claim corruption.Ibn-Khazem come upon differences and contradiction between the Bible and the Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the present text must have been falsified by the Christians after Muhammad."
But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel.- Ofcourse . We must respect gospels of God. But it is about pure Gospels given by Jesus in aramaic language not the gospels xians have which were written by unknown paul's followers attributing it to apostles of Jesus. Ibn Khazem was absolutely correct.
@kingkhan2 muahmed cant be a prophet. Deuteronomy tells us what GOD says makes a prophet. You re going off what man says. Look at the scripture for proof muhamed is a false prophet. "But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die."
@kingkhan2 hahahah! Sure run away when you see the evidence look you in the face. Muhamed clearly says that he spoke words falsely proving he s not a prophet by the standard of God. Not only that but according to your own scholors such as IBN KATHIR Paul was a servant of allah! Just like John and Peter
no since u told that case is closed I thought why should talk to a coward who give verdict on her own rather than completing the discussion. But since u r interested I will refute ur so clalled evidence. Dont worry. We are taught to fight with enemies not surrender urself get killed on cross like chicken . So I will answer u .
IBN KAthir is not our prophet that he cant do any mistake. i dont rally think he made such a stupid statement . How can he call a servant of devil as servant of Allah? Either wrong things r written in his name or he did mistake. We muslims dont believe in infallibility of humanbeings. We r not liek xians to beleiev God sends holy ghost to guide each and evryone who talks about God.
But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die."
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20) well in that case jews did right by killing jesus.lol. coz Jesus ( ur jesus not true jesus)called himself God which is against order of yahweh.
anyway u could not prove anything from that deut verse. u cant prove quran was not given by same God who gave Torah. Ur so called assumptions have no value at all.
I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
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now u want us to prefer tabari hadees to Quran? dude listen carefully. We muslims belieev in infallibility of only those books which r promised to be protected by God.
God promised to protect only Quran. No book except Quran is infallible.
@mumswording and hadees were collected much after Prophet died. There were lots of Munafiks ( hypocrites claiming to be muslims but not) ,zorostrians,infidels who spread wrong hadees to disturb muslims. And even true hadees were not in 100% pure form due to passage of time. In that situation ppl like buklhari,muslim etc separated hadeeses into saheeh(authentic) and daeef (unauthentic) . fact is even saheeh hadees cant be taken as infallible .
@mumswording so if we muslims believe that torah and gospels which were direct revelation of God can be corrupted how can we accept hadees are infallible? We dont believe in infallibility of saints like u xians.
Tabari hadees are most unauthentic hadees collection. Thats why they r always favourite of muslim haters. Muslims nevr took them seriously.
Summary: Only Quran is infallible and all other books were interrupted by men are fallible. One should use common sense for such fallible books
@kingkhan2 GOD IS NOT CALLED OUR FATHER IN THE TORAH?
•"Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6) THE FACT THAT WE ARE TOLD GOD IS OUR FATHER IN THE TORAH BUT IN YOUR FALSE QURAN YOU ARE TOLD ALLAH IS NOT A FATHER IS PROOF ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS YAWEH. This is just 1 proof but this is all thats needed. Allah is not the almighty.
In the above verse u mentioned word father is used as metaphor to indicate affection. It called God as father of "jews" not not real father of Jesus. Better luck next time dude. Keep on mistranslating.
@kingkhan2 So your argument is that Paul was the man who corrupted the christian god even though he was persecuting them for believeing christ was God? IT MAKES NO SENCE! PAUL WAS KILLING CHRISTIANS FOR THE BELIEF JESUS WAS YAWEH yet you somehow believe paul was responsible? You still have a HUGE problem. IS PAUL A BAD PERSON? According to your first muslims scholors PAUL WAS A MESSANGER OF ALLAH ALONG WITH PETER!
So your argument is that Paul was the man who corrupted the christian god even though he was persecuting them for believeing christ was God? IT MAKES NO SENCE!
This is what Paul's folowers wrote. Do his followers speak against him? they can say anything to praise their masters. And u xians ask hundred questions about Mohammed? Why u ppl trust paul so easily? Is it bcoz he gave u easy religion? Was not paul who said " laws are burden ,just have faith & go to heaven"
IS PAUL A BAD PERSON? According to your first muslims scholors PAUL WAS A MESSANGER OF ALLAH ALONG WITH PETER!
Look -Quran did not mention names of apostles of Jesus. Very simple. Quran only said apostles of Jesus helped Jesus in his mission and obviously they were good ppl who went to heaven after death. Since Peter was his apostle , we believe he went to heaven.Quran did not mention of Judas. We dont know what New testament says about him is true or not.God knows the best.
@mumswording and Quran or hadees did not mention the name of Paul. But when we read new testament it become apparent he was the one who twisted the preaching of Jesus. He talked against laws of Moses and priased Jesus as son of God etc . Moroever he was not eye witness of Jesus. he told Jesus spoke to him from heaven . His preaching contradict with 4 early gopsles.these r things which made muslims think he was the main culprit behind corruption of preaching of Jesus. some jews also think so.
And there are more reasons which make us believe Paul was corrupter of jesus preaching - witness of early christian sects
Ebionites & Nazerenes were early xian sects which considered Jesus as prophet ,considered adherence to laws of Moses mandatory and most importatntly considered saint Paul as a deviant man trying to corrupt true preaching of Jesus. U can google search about Ebionites and Nazerenes.
DO YOU WANT PROOF? You can give . Even I want to know which muslims believed PAul was servant of Allah? Anyway that does not prove PAul was indeed servant of Alalh coz they did not get diivne guidances to say so. It may be their guess work. Mohammed(pbuh) never mentioned any name of apostle of Jesus either in Quran or hadees as far as I know.
@mumswording well when we say God's books are corrupted we r not saying God is weak. I am using thew"God" so that u xians dont argue about useless things like name of God. God should be understood by term not name. Ok. What I said. We dont say God is weak. But God let us use our intelligence. We are given power to understand things as to which is logical and which is illogical.
Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. (Deau 4:1-2)
Here its proves God agve them free will. God said dont ad or remove anything from Torah. god did not say " I will preserve Torah".
@kingkhan2 •For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal FATHER, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
•For Thou art our FATHER, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)
@mumswording OK man no one cares what u polytheists say. Muslims worship God of Adam-our father. we dont need ur bible or ur certificate. who cares if polytehistic mary worshippers say that their god and Allah is not same. We r happy with our religion. no one need ur crap. if u believe arabic is forced , abondon it and talk in ur coptic lingo. we r not interested in what u talk or what u believe.bloody jerk.
@kingkhan2 Islam makes no claims that the gospels are corrupt. in fact it says the opposite!(Surah 5, Maida,v47) (Surah 5, Maida, v 43) (Surah 2, Baqara, v85)
Its clear that mumu thought his teachings were congruent with christianity & judaism or he wouldnt have said for U as a muslim 2 believe & follow them. since we have scripture that dates to 100 ad that matches what we have now your corrupt claims are false
Quran claimed that bib iscorrupted and it also says jesus called himself servant of God not son of God. Both jesus and mary were good ppl. bad person was saint paul to whom christians are following
Christians originated from the middle east too..but those middle east Christians are given no rights.just think..Christians have been giving in for centuries.n we still are.we apologize fir Terry jones' commotion.because that us not what our religion taught us..in every instances we should just give in..
what kind of right they wanted? Thank God they r alive. Muslims did not deal with middle easter xians the xians dealt with red indians. dont expect mercy when u have no mercy for others. ur mouthes should be nailed when u open it to accuse others of tyranny. bloody hooligans.
Jesus came to israel and nearby lands,2000 years ago; which means to say there r pple whim might be following Christianity..bt it's do sad to see such middle east Christians being punished n have to be underground Christians. They forcefully make even Christians there into Muslims.is this fair? & nw there is a row btwn Americans and middle east..n the prob I'd of religion-Christianity vs Islam.but hey wait,who said all Americans are Christians?Christians originated from the middle east too..but
Ok..but in the first place why aren't Christians allowed to use the word "Allah"?when converting to Arabic bibles for the Arabs to read,the ONLY word available is "Allah" we Christians have our bibles translated to various languages such as English,Tamil,Chinese and Malay even.
Even if u look chronologically,Christians came about first..as such Muslims came later and not allowing us to use the word?that's ironic:( Jesus came to israel and nearby lands,2000 years ago; which means to say there r
This word allah is an arabic word that is imposed on all muslims as islam is really an imperialist religion and muslims that are not arabic should understand. Muhammad never claimed that the arabic language was "God inspired" so the reason all terms of islam are in arabic is an obvious sign of cultural imperialism, and it shows that this vile religion is not at all universalist or equalitarian for that only, if not for all the rest...
@damrosky, You are very wrong, no other religion you talk about is pagan like Islam, no ones god comes or stems from the pagan god of Arabia. This is not due to language but proof that AllahHoolly is not the god of heaven, no one will ever call their god AllahHoolly either.
since bible was originated in israel and jesus is a jew who never speak arab but aramaic and hebrew , the christian must not use arabic words 'Allah' , instead they should be using ' Yahweh' / 'Elohim'/ 'Eli' or whatever jewish words for God
so why u christian are making a mess here in m'sia n indonesia for...using arabic language 'Allah' for your god?
u christians shud stop corrupting others wth ur corrupted mind, will u
@jayasinga, The most ignorant, retarded, backward cult in the world is Islam. You have been corrupt from your so called prophet or should we call him a profiteer. Christaians are nothing like you nor Jews, you want the demise of the world & to be accepted on face value.
Allah is the pagan god of Arabia, no one will ever accept it as the true god of Abraham, Moses or Jesus, they did not & no one else will either. You are the most corrupt cult in history, to bad you dont know history.
As far as I know, there's no any collective agreement on death penalty for appostasy. Of course killing outside of jurisdiction is never allowed in modern days Islamic nations.
During Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S.)'s days, Muslim community was continously challenged by others, often engaged in war battle.
In that situation, there were many spies working for enemy group under cover. So if those who were close to the classified info turned to the enemy side, they were killed for the crime of treason, not for leaving Islam.
@amybulat So why does Islamic law (Sharia) demand the murder of apostates from Islam? Almost all schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that any Muslim can kill an apostate without punishment. The consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed.
@amybulat thats wrong....kabba was built by pagans to worship 360 gods..and one of that is the pagan moon god allah....not for adam...muhammad the pedophile stole kabba from pagan arabs.....but u know that
you must be retarded then, if you did not find any fault in the quran, then you are kidding yourself. you were in fact a muslim born and forced into islam at birth. your stupid religion invented by a rapist thief and pedophile mopedo the sub-human on earth
your fuckin gpig allah, the stupid evil bastard that has to steal, condone stealing and teaching the muslims how to divide the stolen war spoils
you fucking piece of shit liar. taqiyya. FUCK ALLAH
you think you live in a free country...
BrianMonkpsychic 2 weeks ago
The Bible's MOST ancient languages are archeologically proven to be Hebrew and Greek in the Old Testament and the New Testament, respectively. Therefore, it is only CONSTITUTIONAL for the Christians to use the Hebrew "Yahweh" and the Greek "Theos" rather than the Arabic "Allah". Get the fact straight, will ya?
MultiNoNonsense 2 months ago
@TruthExposed247, JUST ANSWER MY QUESTION:
HOW MANY WITNESSES DO YOU, MUSLIMS, THINK ARE NEEDED TO AFFIRM SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS TO BE A PROPHET OF ALLAH if sura 24:13 is for adultery?
THERE IS NO SURA IN THE QURAN THAT SAYS ALLAH HAD PROVIDED Mohammad WITH WITNESSES like ALLAH HAD PROVIDED FOR MOSES[Exodus 19:17 & 38:26] & JESUSMat 3:17 & John 20:26-31, right?
VERIFY THE LIES OF MOHAMMAD: wwwANWERING-ISLAMorg
click INDEX TO ISLAM click LYING to read the lies in Islam.
AMEN=NO TAQQIYA
explainingwhy 2 months ago
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MOHAMMAD lied to deceive ALL since Mohammad had no witness as Allah did not provide witnesses to affirm Muhammad as prophet appointed by Allah[Read Sura 24:13]!
Allah being WISE when appointing prophets, He provided witnesses for;
1] Moses[Exodus 19:17 & 38:26] &
2] Jesus [Mat 3:17 & John 20:26-31]to affirm their appointments TO PREVENT FALSE PROPHET LIKE MOHAMMAD DECEIVING ALL !
Mohammed had no witness FOR MUHAMMAD WAS A LIAR!
VERIFY:wwwFAITHFREEDOMorg
AMEN=TRULY only IN JESUS
explainingwhy 2 months ago
Ok let's not use the word allah, let's use shitbag instead.
Islamisvile 4 months ago
@tigersforchrist WOULD U PLEASE STFU!!! u said that BS on like every vid! SMD!!
AhmadDakhlallah1 5 months ago
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tigersforchrist 6 months ago
allah milik kristian, sebabnya kristian wujud 2000 tahun lebih awal daripada agama islam dgn menggunakan kalimah Allah. kalu x percaya, rajinlah2 kaji pasal agama. Malaysia ni kata je 1Malaysia, tapi lebih mementingkan melayu drpd bangsa lain.
AaronEXtremeMetal696 7 months ago
Christians are trying to convert people in Malaysia. They go house to house to preach their religion which I think is stupid in this modern age.
giriisindahouse 8 months ago
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giriisindahouse 8 months ago
LOOK THIS CHRISTIAN,Who worshipped the idol??Look EXODUS 20:4/5
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faiziskandar786 8 months ago
Fucking paranoid cunting muslims.
Lagolop 10 months ago
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faiziskandar786 10 months ago
ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH ALLAH
MOHAMMAD MOHAMMED MOHAMMED
Lol I live in a free country :)
I say what the fuck I want!
AaronRowski 10 months ago
@AaronRowski Aaron ur name??WOW!U know a story about Prophet Aaron in the Bibble..He creat a Gold Calf to Israel to worship(Exodus 32:1) Is this type of 'Prophet'? or anybody change it? compare with Quran 20:85 Surah Taha..God explain the truth about innocent Prophet Aaron.
faiziskandar786 10 months ago
When the Apostle heard about Abu Sufyan coming from Syria, he summoned the Muslims and said, “This is the Quraish caravan containing their property. Go out to attack it, perhaps Allah will give it as a prey.” (Ibn Ishaq 428)
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@recharg34 Say, "O People of the Scripture, come to a word that is equitable between us and you - that we will not worship except Allah and not associate anything with Him and not take one another as lords instead of Allah ." But if they turn away, then say, "Bear witness that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]."Quran Ali Imran:64
faiziskandar786 8 months ago
Ishaq:304
Tabari VII:62 "I cut off Abu Jahl's head and brought it to the Messenger. 'O Allah's Prophet, this is the head of the enemy of Allah.' Muhammad said, 'Praise be to Allah.'"
Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
recharg34 1 year ago
Quran 2:55 Allah(The God)!There is no God but Him,the Alive,the Eternal.Neither slumber nor sleep overtaketh Him.Unto Him belongeth whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth.Who is he that intercedeth with Him but by His leave? He knoweth that which is in front of them and that which is behind them,while they encompass nothing of His knowledge save what He will.His throne includeth the heavens and the earth,and He is never weary of preserving them.He is the Sublime,the Tremendous!This is God!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc what does that islamic quote have to do with anything I said I can give you thousands of christian verses or quotes too? Also if your religion is so Loving and True and open why does the Taqiyya exist? and why do you deny that muhammad killed people or stole or raped woman because historians not only prove this but also your own islamic writings prove this?
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@moeazysgc this is the nice honest allah and muhammad ways?
Qur'an:8:67 "It is not fitting for any prophet to have prisoners until he has made a great slaughter in the land."
Qur'an:8:57 "If you gain mastery over them in battle, inflict such a defeat as would terrorize them, so that they would learn a lesson and be warned.
Tabari VII:11 "The Messenger of Allah went out on a raid as far as Waddan, searching for Quraysh."
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@moeazysgc Bukhari:V4B52N256 "The Prophet passed by and was asked whether it was permissible to attack infidels at night with the probability of exposing their women and children to danger. The Prophet replied, 'Their women and children are from them.'"
Qur'an:8:12 "I shall terrorize the infidels. So wound their bodies and incapacitate them because they oppose Allah and His Apostle."
recharg34 1 year ago
and further more in this text it says the comforter will preach Jesus...does mohammed or did he ever proclaim Jesus Christ? no muhammad claimed to be higher than jesus and preached a different Jesus
Jesus also said He would send the comforter did mohammed ever say that Christ sent Him? and why are muslims against Jesus and the message/story of Christ if Christ sent him (mohammed) don't think so also Mohammed is never mentioned in any biblical text that I know of.
recharg34 1 year ago
you muslims also believe that muhammad was the holy spirit which Jesus Christ spoke about which is also a lie since the holy spirit came onto the apostles before muhammad was born. and jesus said the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
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this was written by paul the holy apostle before islam or muhammad ever existed “But even if we (or an angel from heaven) should preach a Gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be condemned to hell!” (Galatians 1:8).
recharg34 1 year ago
Muhammad did not come from God he was a man and only a man he created islam by plagiarizing from Christianity that is why islam has many similiar stories that have been distorted because muhammad copied the stories and changed them and at the time made many mistakes like changed the names of certain people. Muhammad had nothing to do with the arabs that were pagans he simply lied to them to convert them so he could serve his won agenda of obtaining woman,land,money and power
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 Yes Muhammad was a Normal Man just like Jesus n they r both prophets/Messengers of God! Is it too Hard for God 4 created Jesus from a miracle Birth with no Male intervention,"No"it is Too easy 4 God he created no Begot a son this is a Animal(Creature created by God) trait u give to God who encompasses All knowledge n All things in the heaven n earth with Ease! Nothing is too hard for God! God is not apart of his creation He is Exalted/Above it!God is infinite n his creation is Finite!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc well God came as man in order to sacrifice his life for us because that is how much he loved us he also wanted to show his love what better way for God to show his life then come on earth as man and die to save us. And muhammad was not illiterate he actually could write because he ran a major business which proves he could because unless he could read and write, he could not properly run his business affairs. And the Meccans were familiar with reading and writing.
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 U r saying "God committed suicide to Forgive Our sins" Another Huge Blasphemy thing U say about God almighty Who can do all things(Good) n Forgive all sins Excepted 4 not believing in Him n Associating partners with God! Muhammad(saw) was illiterate,he ran no business but helped people in trading n was an honest man who was responsible holding people Valuables while they traveled!Most of the Meccas were also illiterate!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc can you please answer my other questions?and Jesus did not commit suicide he did not kill himself but allowed others to take his life as a sacrifice to God for our sins. in order to understand this you would have to understand the Holy Trinity which you seem to have a lot of trouble with it is three divine persons in one God. & God the spirit did not die but his bodily form did and he was then resurrected quickly afterwards why cant God do these things are you putting a limit on God?
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@moeazysgc by the way your definination of muhammad business practices it would seem that it would require him to know how to read and write. because he did run a business as a merchant and as a merchant it would require him to know how to count which even you can not deny this so if muhammad knew how to count then he would know how to read and write because during muhammads time numbers as we know them today were not used but letters were used as numbers.
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@moeazysgc The Quraysh said that Muhammad and his Companions violated the sanctity of the Sacred Month and shed blood, confiscated property and took prisoners during it. Those who refuted them among the Muslims who remained in Makkah replied that the Muslims had done that during the month of Sha`ban (which is not a sacred month (Ibn Kathir)
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@moeazysgc God is above his creation that is why Jesus christ was and still is above man you make it as if God gave up all his power and right to be God when he come on earth this is not true. Jesus Christ was pure and did miraculous things and he even claimed that their will be false prophets who will come after him and say they are from God but they are liars and Muhammad was one of those false prophets because he had no right and proof that he was a prophet!
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another question is if allah commanded muhammad to seek guidance from the bible then why do muslims say the bible is corrupted you cant have it both ways is the bible corrupted or not and how can you pick what is corrupted?
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@moeazysgc If islam is true and muhammad was telling the truth why is their so many contradictions in the koran I mean its not supposed to be wrong? also Muhammad was allowed to do so many corrupt and immoral things what kind of God would allow his servant to start wars,kill innocent people,marry and rape woman, and loot? also If muhammad is so right why does he do everything the opposite of Jesus Christ ? Jesus Christ loves and is not voilent while muhammad killed people and used the sword?
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@moeazysgc quran,surat al-tawbe,verse 29 says "fight against such of those who have been given the scripture as believe not in allah nor the last day, and forbid not that which allah hath forbidden by his messenger and follow not the religion of truth, until they pay the tribute readily,being brought low"
can you explain this verse because this verse does not sound something like a peaceful loving God/Allah who created us and loves everyone would promote or say?hope to hear from you soon thanks
recharg34 1 year ago
Jesus told the Samaritan woman that he is the Messiah (Jn 4:25-26)
Jesus affirmed Peter's statement that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mt 16:15-17, see also Mk 8:29-30, Lk 9:20-21)
Jesus told the high priest that he is the Messiah and Son of God (Mk 14:61-62, Mt 26:63-64, Lk 22:70)
Jesus is God and the holy trinity says that all three God Jesus and Holy spirit are one not three Gods. can you give me prove where it says that the trinity is three Gods? no you cant
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Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for [so] I am. john 13:13
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John 14:11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the miracles themselves.
John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name--the name you gave me--so that they may be one as we are one.
John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.
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Christians have more right to use the word Allah then Muslims since Christians used it way before muslims! its just a word!
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 it is Not Just a Word it Allah is Singular name of God Meaning The God=The One n Only God with No Partners n No Offspring's,Unique from his creation above it(Creation) Not apart of It(Creation)! That is what Allah Means The Christians want The word Allah to become Pagan again to make it Plural many gods(trinity) or a Man god(Jesus)!This can't happen because the meaning of the word can not be used to represent a god /gods But is represented to be used for the name of a God the creator!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc I wanted to respond to your comment with respect but wow how can I because you might just be the dumbest person alive. If you read my comment earlier you would see christians used the word before muslims did and used it to refer to the one living God and Muslims have nothing to do with the word Allah! Christians do not have more than one god do not use it as plural They have one and only one God you are misunderstanding the trinity it is three in one not three Gods!
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 No i understand the Trinity Perfectly it's u who doesn't! Christians ask me why does God use the words "We""Us" n"Our" i understand THE Semitic languages so i tell them Arabic n Hebrew both r semitic languages n have Plural in Numbers n Plural of Respect! The plural used i tell them is plural in respect the royal plural that kings n Queens use But Christians say No it's because Of Trinity so originally Trinity is three gods to represent the father(god),The son(god)n Holy spirit(god)!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc ok so you are saying its impossible for god to turn into man? are you putting a limit into Gods power? secondly you did say allah is an idol because you clearly said the arabs worshipped him from the pagans and that he was an idol so you are saying the God you worshipped is an idol. Allah does mean God in arabic and you muslims have no patent on the name christians used it before you and they have more right to the name! if you are trying to have a religious debate then u cant win.
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 My brother sister This is what they(The dominions of the Satan) want u to believe!Read the Quran God says they will say Muhammad Plagiarized/Copied the Quran but Muhammad was illiterate! God said most of them will reject,Most of them(Mankind) do!This is Blasphemy to say God was a mere man who defecated n urinated,who needed nourishment to sustain or live,Ur are limiting God The self subsisting the Creator He is not the created!God is the Most high he is too Great to be compared to!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Also it is not blasphemy for God to do the things as man because God created man in his image and in the start of time the things we do now like urinating were not seen as improper or nasty. God loves man and he showed his love by being man God chose to come on Earth and Jesus Christ proved he was God by all the miraculous things he did resurrecting the dead,healing the sick,creating food out of nothing,walking on water and so on while muhammad did not do any of these things!
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Arabic Christians used the word way before Islam existed and they used it to refer to The Christian God and Arabic Christians took that word from the Aramaic speaking Christians such as the Assyrians and their word was Elahah. So the Word Allah originally came from the word Elahah which was used by Aramaic Christians to refer to God they were first then it was taken by Arabic Christians then taken after that By Arabic Muslims!
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Arabic Christians used the word way before Islam existed and they used it to refer to The Christian God and Arabic Christians took that word from the Aramaic speaking Christians such as the Assyrians and their word was Elahah. So the Word Allah originally came from the word Elahah which was used by Aramaic Christians to refer to God they were first then it was taken by Arabic Christians then taken after that By Arabic Muslims!
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 U forgot Ishmael was the Father of the Arabs!The Arabs worship the God of Abraham some of them went astray afterwards n took up idol! Even though Allah was the God of their Fathers they started worshiping idols they made Allah the supreme deity greater then the other gods! Go head research it Allah is the God of Abraham Allah is one n has no partners(trinity) n is not a man,Jesus was limited in his knowledge of Hour,Jesus died,God does not die,God knows All things,God created Jesus!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc ok so you admit that the muslim God is false and is an idol but yet you still say he is the God of abraham how does that make sense? Abraham has nothing to do with muslim God he worshipped the one true living God not an idol or deity because islam came way after abraham, Judaism or christianity! and the muslim Allah is an idol created by muhammad and popularized by him so that the evil false prophet muhammad can get money,land,women and many other pleasures with lies and war!
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@recharg34 Who said Allah was an idol U did,Not me! Allah is the God of Abraham then n now....Period! Stop lying to ur self U worship Allah! Jesus worshiped n Prayed to Allah(The God) who created Him Miraculously with no Male intervention is that hard for God to do,No!Why do u have to give God animal traits like the Begotten son,God Begets(Reproduces),God gave birth to a Man,this is pure Blasphemy!Also Jesus never claimed to be God, in many verses Jesus is said to be the Prophet of God clearly!
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recharg34 1 year ago
@moeazysgc Jesus is God and man because nothing is impossible for God. You say that because Jesus died he does not know all things which is dumb since Jesus is the one who purposely died on the cross to save our souls from sin! all because he died for us does not mean he is not all knowing because jesus could of freed himself from dying and didnt have to come on earth as a man but did in order to save mankind and you are forgetting one thing Jesus Christ resurrected himself which only God can do
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 Yes Nothing is Impossible But to say What God isn't is Blasphemy! God clearly says he is not a Man in the bible,Jesus never said He was God,Jesus said in Mathew 4:10"You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve."Meaning God has No partners,No Offspring's(Son/Sons/daughter/ daughters/Children) Allah(The God) aka the Father,"Begets Not Nor is He Begotten"! Once u say God Begets a son u r saying Blasphemy n Giving God animal like traits,God is Not like his creation!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
@moeazysgc I just want to say one last thing to you what does other arabs using the word allah to refer to a false idol have to do with christians using it? because the christian arabs used it before any other arabs and they took it from the aramaic middle eastern christians! you made it as if the idol worshipping arabs created the word allah which is a lie because arab christians created it by taking it from the middle eastern aramaic christians who used the word Elahah!
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 Did u Understand what i said Abraham was the Father of IshmaEL the father of the Arabs!The descendent's of Ishmael worshiped the God of Abraham! Many generations later the descendent's of Ishmael strayed into idolatry n took up idol worship! Muhammad came to reconfirm the truth n Establish the religion of Abraham n Allah the One God of Mankind,Not ilah n Hubal the False moon gods of the Pagan Meccan's!Educated yourself n Research Understand that Allah is Not a Human! Read the Quran!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
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recharg34 1 year ago
Christians should not be using the word allah. Jehovah is the only God. the God of Israel.
cshook123 1 year ago
@cshook123 what are you taking about Their are many words which can be used to mean God because their are many languages! and allah is just a word meaning God its not a specific God! Muslims just try to make it as if everything is theirs which is dumb and people like you and the muslims need to learn about this stuff before writing comments!
recharg34 1 year ago
@recharg34 Allah is a specific God to the Muslims. The moon god.
cshook123 1 year ago
@cshook123 No it isn't Stop Lying!Allah is The God of All of Mankind Idiot Arab Jews n Christians Use Allah before Islam!
moeazysgc 1 year ago
BUDAH BLESS YOU! EENIE BEENIE CHILE BEANIE! THE SPIRITS ARE ABOUT TO SPEAK! (I am free to say whatever I want, please kiss my ass)
Robb9096 1 year ago
what the hell is wrong with this? allah is the arabic word for god, thus anyone worshipping god may wish to use the word allah. islam and christianity don't have a claim on the word, even yemeni jews call god allah
Omarh96 1 year ago
If the "Son" did not come from your mother cunt, then he must have come from your bloody asshole!! How could the god's "Son" came from a human cunt if he was not a human being!!?? Your "Holy Ghost" does it has cunt, cock or asshole??? I wonder if can also be the chosen god!! Blame Paul/Saul the Liar!!
6145imza 1 year ago
@6145imza
Haha, that was amusing. You're insults mean very little as your intellect is obviously very low. You are a nice example of the "infinte monley theorem". However, i think the monkey would do better.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
@6145imza
allah is a fucking dumbass
JazistheGreatest 1 year ago
Blame Paul (Saul) an impersonating Jew. No wonder the priest are fuckings in the churches!
6145imza 1 year ago
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To the Christians, the word Allah cannot be in plural form, but your gods are plural gods. Three in one. One in three.. Your god is like the pagan gods. I have penis and if your god/gods have too, then might as well I be the god.. Then every Christians should be baptised by sucking my penis...
6145imza 1 year ago
What don't you called your Fucking Christian God as Vishnu, Buddha, Kali, because all these name attribute to fucking being. Your Trinity Gods have Father, mother and son surely they are fucking gods. The Muslims, their God is Ahad (Oneness, No father, No Mother no sons or daughters..
6145imza 1 year ago
@6145imza
Fail on your behalf. The trinity is not Father, Mother and Son; it's Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's pretty sad you have to learn this from an atheist, just shows you don't know the slightest thing about religion.
SSTTEEAALLTTHH 1 year ago
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@SSTTEEAALLTTHH
Fail on your behalf. The trinity is not Father, Mother and Son; it's Father, Son and Holy Spirit. It's pretty sad you have to learn this from an atheist, just shows you don't know the slightest thing about religion.
So, if not from your mother cunt, the Son must had come out through your asshole then!!
6145imza 1 year ago
@6145imza the thing u speak u should think 1st... dun say fucking christian gods!!! wen we say abaut malay gods, u guys get angry
1989samson 1 year ago
Pathetic religions at it again. Stupid bastards all of them.
Munnchbunnch 1 year ago
Western or European Christian are not using 'Allah' as God name in their bible or church .those Malaysian Christian really want to light up a flame.
fdzy 1 year ago
@fdzy not all christians.... only the katholic christians...... dun use the word malaysian christian it is mean like all the christian in malaysia....
1989samson 1 year ago
Macam Katak bawah tempurong
call0126244168 1 year ago
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No one have the right to change the bible and who hv the power to change the Quaran too??
It is a great pity that they do no know Allah is already in used since Adam and Eve longx2 time b4 Nabi Mohamad came
call0126244168 1 year ago
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..historical places of him such as the upper room & mount Sinai.but hey!all these were snatched from our authority!!isn't that unfair? Totally.
MieowKutty 1 year ago
N yes kingkhan2,it would be appreciated if u mind your language on a non-communal international site.n in middle east,this is what is exactly happening..leave we christians in our original place that we came from..we are not cowards to run away but just pple whom obey the word of God n his promise to us that HE would give us our holy land in near time.hallejuah! Even before ur religion officially declared Jesus whom is the son of God as your prophet,HE was ours n we claim all rights to the hist
MieowKutty 1 year ago
@MieowKutty First u mind ur language . And Jesus(as) was regarded as prophet much before the birth of Mohammed (as). When jesus was alive he was either called as liar (by some jews) and prophet by some jews . there was nothing like that filthy word "Son of God". Only after Jesus(as) departed paul the biggest liar, called jesus as son of God.its better to call jesus as liar than son of God as liar insults only jesus while
" son of God" insults God. God is better than Jesus.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
Its not wrong if christians or any other call God as Allah. But why do xians call God Allah? they hate everything about Islam. They r using word Allah out of evil thinking. they just want to convert ppl with using that word. they wanna go to gullible muslims and say we love allah. and if they find muslims friendly, they tell that jesus is son of Allah. they can fall any low for conversion. they r worse than idol worshippers.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
Im Coptic Christian. Our original language was Coptic. It was only after the islamic conquest of the middle east was our change of the language to arabic FORCED. This is still happening today when islam becomes dominant. Christians had their tongue cut off if they were speaking coptic. Allah of Islam is not the same GOD as Yaweh of the bible. When you compare the characteristics of the Islamic GOD & the Christian GOD you ll see many differences.
mumswording 1 year ago
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In Torah you ll see that God is given names. One is the Father. The torah is clear that we can address Yaweh as The Father. When Christ taught us how to pray, he began "Our,FATHER..." Quran gives 99 names to ALLAH & not 1 of the names is Father. Its a sin to call allah that. Allah also has lied and allows lies, (El Makir) According to the quran non muslims have their hearts hardened by allah so they WILL NOT ACCEPT ISLAM. BELIEVERS OF ISLAM HAD NO CHOICE
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording torah never called God as father. its ur moronic church fathers who used that word. even torah is corrupted, nature of God in torah found simialr to God of Quran. God in Quran and Torah is jealous God, who loves laws,loves brave and just ppl who fight for him and his religion. ur xianity tels to worship jesus instead of God and dump all laws and become chicken and drop ur sword and live like sadist monk by abondoning marriage and moderate and normal life. yuck
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 as i stated mumu believed the scripture to be uncorrupt and even taught you should follow them as they are from ALLAH. Mumu also said NO person can corrupt allah word and Allah will protect his scripture. According to you then your allah is weak and a liar! Your position as a muslim is that a human was able to beat allah. A human was able to corrupt allahs word.
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance. God kept on sending new prophets to purify it.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
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@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance. God kept on sending new prophets to purify it.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording Well if God's word cant be corrupted there would not be any polytehism at all. God had given his first laws to Adam(As) first man. Torah was not the first divine law book. But ppl corrupted word's of Adam and become polytehists. Then God sent many prophets . Whenever prophets died their followers changed the words intentionally for wordly benefit or unintentionally out of ignorance.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
If God's words cant be corrupted by ppl then we would be following first law given Adam(as) (may be orally). If God wished he would ahve preserved it and prevented ppl from going astray. But u xians ahve pathetic belief that Torah is first divine book as if God ahs no concern for ppl born before Moses(As). FAct is divine books were corrupted coz its nature of God to test ppl.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
no allah doesnt test. as a muslim allah gives muslims not choice. you must belive in predestination as a muslim. the problem is that according to your allah, man is already going to hell or heaven by the choice of allah before they re born. as a muslim it is allah who makes people unbelievers. it is allh who blinds the eyes and even causes people to sin. this goes agains the torah and the chraracter of God. Allah = Satan
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Predestination is complex issue. Thats why prophet told us to talk less of it. there r different views of it.
Some scholar says everthing is predestined coz God knew what ppl would be doing before their birth. Some scholars say only big things like to whom u marry ,what age u die, how many kids u have etc r predestined. God knows. -part1-
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording the problem is that according to your allah, man is already going to hell or heaven by the choice of allah before they re born.- Allah already knew before who is going to use his brain or who is going to listen to his prophets and who is rebelling against his prophets out of madness of his elder's culture . He already knew who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. Allah never makes anyone unbeliever. If ppl dont use their brain-Allah let them unguided.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
- part 3 predestiny-
if predestination is not true how come u get so many prophecies in divine books including bible? U ppl claim Bible mentioned a lot of future events. Its only possible if it is predestined.
As per xians jesus already warned about false prophets - so as per ur logic, jesus himself made false porphets. right?
How hebrew propehts used to tell jews about punishment going to inflict on future generation unless future is predestined? use brain.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording and why Quran is not corrupted
coz Mohammed (pbuh) was last prophet. Since no prophet will come in future. God prevented Quran from any corruption. Otherwise Quran would be corrupted too.
Its mentioned in Quran that rabbis corrupted Torah for earthly benefits (Mostly by both means- changing words or changing meanings of words.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 the fist muslims were clear. they believed that they were in alignment with the teachings of the torah and the bible. . The Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible. Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11
A Muslim is obliged to believe in all the revelations of God. Sura 2:136; 4:136; 29:46
The calim of corruption didnt happen till 400 years AFTER muhamed
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording Quran had mentioned truthfulness about Torah (without any doubt), but it was about true Torah given by Moses not the torah what is present Today.
Quran never ever said that the torah that jews and xians hold today is pure. On the contrary Quran clearly said ppl(rabbis & priests not name of paul is mentioned) had corrupted it. I will give reference with verses unlike u who just give number of verses.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording and in Quran ppl r told to refer Bible. But its only for Polytheists. At that time arabs were polytehists who beleived in God of Abraham (as they r children of Abraham through Hagar) beside many other demi gods. But they did not believe in monotheism, prophets,divine books,Life after Death etc. They used to mock mohammed for telling these new things unknown to them. So God told them that these things r not new but present in earlier revelations.So God told them to refer bible.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
Nowhwere in Quran God told muslims to refer to Bible. And if Quran told muslims to follow bible( as u xians always lie) whats the need for Quran to tell that trinity is lie,Jesus was not son of God but prophet ? why do u christians talk like kids despite being grown up?
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 1064, Ibn-Khazem was the first muslim to claim corruption.Ibn-Khazem come upon differences and contradiction between the Bible and the Quran. Believing, by faith that the Quran was true, the Bible must then be false. He said, "Since the Quran must be true it must be the conflicting Gospel texts that are false. But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel. Therefore, the present text must have been falsified by the Christians after Muhammad."
HIS ARGUMENT WAS BASED ON FAITH ALONE
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording
But Muhammad tells us to respect the Gospel.- Ofcourse . We must respect gospels of God. But it is about pure Gospels given by Jesus in aramaic language not the gospels xians have which were written by unknown paul's followers attributing it to apostles of Jesus. Ibn Khazem was absolutely correct.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 muahmed cant be a prophet. Deuteronomy tells us what GOD says makes a prophet. You re going off what man says. Look at the scripture for proof muhamed is a false prophet. "But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die."
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20)
"I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
CASE CLOSED....
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording case closed.Thats good. In Quran it says when u come across ignorant say salaam and leave.
so dear brother/sister salaam to u. Lets meet on judgment day. Let God judge.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 hahahah! Sure run away when you see the evidence look you in the face. Muhamed clearly says that he spoke words falsely proving he s not a prophet by the standard of God. Not only that but according to your own scholors such as IBN KATHIR Paul was a servant of allah! Just like John and Peter
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording
no since u told that case is closed I thought why should talk to a coward who give verdict on her own rather than completing the discussion. But since u r interested I will refute ur so clalled evidence. Dont worry. We are taught to fight with enemies not surrender urself get killed on cross like chicken . So I will answer u .
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording one by one.
IBN KAthir is not our prophet that he cant do any mistake. i dont rally think he made such a stupid statement . How can he call a servant of devil as servant of Allah? Either wrong things r written in his name or he did mistake. We muslims dont believe in infallibility of humanbeings. We r not liek xians to beleiev God sends holy ghost to guide each and evryone who talks about God.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
But the prophet who speaks a word presumptuously in My name which I have
not commanded him to speak . . . that prophet shall die."
~GOD (Deuteronomy18:20) well in that case jews did right by killing jesus.lol. coz Jesus ( ur jesus not true jesus)called himself God which is against order of yahweh.
anyway u could not prove anything from that deut verse. u cant prove quran was not given by same God who gave Torah. Ur so called assumptions have no value at all.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken."
~MUHAMMAD (Al-Tabari 6:111)
hahahahahahha
now u want us to prefer tabari hadees to Quran? dude listen carefully. We muslims belieev in infallibility of only those books which r promised to be protected by God.
God promised to protect only Quran. No book except Quran is infallible.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording and hadees were collected much after Prophet died. There were lots of Munafiks ( hypocrites claiming to be muslims but not) ,zorostrians,infidels who spread wrong hadees to disturb muslims. And even true hadees were not in 100% pure form due to passage of time. In that situation ppl like buklhari,muslim etc separated hadeeses into saheeh(authentic) and daeef (unauthentic) . fact is even saheeh hadees cant be taken as infallible .
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording so if we muslims believe that torah and gospels which were direct revelation of God can be corrupted how can we accept hadees are infallible? We dont believe in infallibility of saints like u xians.
Tabari hadees are most unauthentic hadees collection. Thats why they r always favourite of muslim haters. Muslims nevr took them seriously.
Summary: Only Quran is infallible and all other books were interrupted by men are fallible. One should use common sense for such fallible books
kingkhan2 1 year ago
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@kingkhan2
How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes is in vain. (jeremiah 8.8)
This is why God used to send prophets.This is proof everything attributed to God need not to be from God.
But most of the time jews followed their rabbis of false pen instead of prophets.
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@kingkhan2 GOD IS NOT CALLED OUR FATHER IN THE TORAH?
•"Do you thus repay the LORD, O foolish and unwise people? Is not He your Father who has bought you? He has made you and established you. (Deuteronomy 32:6) THE FACT THAT WE ARE TOLD GOD IS OUR FATHER IN THE TORAH BUT IN YOUR FALSE QURAN YOU ARE TOLD ALLAH IS NOT A FATHER IS PROOF ALLAH IS NOT THE SAME GOD AS YAWEH. This is just 1 proof but this is all thats needed. Allah is not the almighty.
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording
In the above verse u mentioned word father is used as metaphor to indicate affection. It called God as father of "jews" not not real father of Jesus. Better luck next time dude. Keep on mistranslating.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording gospels are false
1) they not 1 book. there r 4 different books which r not written by Jesus . Theyw ere written much after Jesus departed
2) more than 50% of New testament is writte by a man(Paul) who ahd never seen jesus
3) Words of Paul belies words attributed to Jesus
4) they r illocal
5) Many times authors of new testament went wrong in understanding prophecies of old teatament
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 So your argument is that Paul was the man who corrupted the christian god even though he was persecuting them for believeing christ was God? IT MAKES NO SENCE! PAUL WAS KILLING CHRISTIANS FOR THE BELIEF JESUS WAS YAWEH yet you somehow believe paul was responsible? You still have a HUGE problem. IS PAUL A BAD PERSON? According to your first muslims scholors PAUL WAS A MESSANGER OF ALLAH ALONG WITH PETER!
DO YOU WANT PROOF?
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording
So your argument is that Paul was the man who corrupted the christian god even though he was persecuting them for believeing christ was God? IT MAKES NO SENCE!
This is what Paul's folowers wrote. Do his followers speak against him? they can say anything to praise their masters. And u xians ask hundred questions about Mohammed? Why u ppl trust paul so easily? Is it bcoz he gave u easy religion? Was not paul who said " laws are burden ,just have faith & go to heaven"
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
IS PAUL A BAD PERSON? According to your first muslims scholors PAUL WAS A MESSANGER OF ALLAH ALONG WITH PETER!
Look -Quran did not mention names of apostles of Jesus. Very simple. Quran only said apostles of Jesus helped Jesus in his mission and obviously they were good ppl who went to heaven after death. Since Peter was his apostle , we believe he went to heaven.Quran did not mention of Judas. We dont know what New testament says about him is true or not.God knows the best.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording and Quran or hadees did not mention the name of Paul. But when we read new testament it become apparent he was the one who twisted the preaching of Jesus. He talked against laws of Moses and priased Jesus as son of God etc . Moroever he was not eye witness of Jesus. he told Jesus spoke to him from heaven . His preaching contradict with 4 early gopsles.these r things which made muslims think he was the main culprit behind corruption of preaching of Jesus. some jews also think so.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
And there are more reasons which make us believe Paul was corrupter of jesus preaching - witness of early christian sects
Ebionites & Nazerenes were early xian sects which considered Jesus as prophet ,considered adherence to laws of Moses mandatory and most importatntly considered saint Paul as a deviant man trying to corrupt true preaching of Jesus. U can google search about Ebionites and Nazerenes.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording
DO YOU WANT PROOF? You can give . Even I want to know which muslims believed PAul was servant of Allah? Anyway that does not prove PAul was indeed servant of Alalh coz they did not get diivne guidances to say so. It may be their guess work. Mohammed(pbuh) never mentioned any name of apostle of Jesus either in Quran or hadees as far as I know.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@mumswording well when we say God's books are corrupted we r not saying God is weak. I am using thew"God" so that u xians dont argue about useless things like name of God. God should be understood by term not name. Ok. What I said. We dont say God is weak. But God let us use our intelligence. We are given power to understand things as to which is logical and which is illogical.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
Hear now, O Israel, the decrees and laws I am about to teach you. Follow them so that you may live and may go in and take possession of the land that the LORD, the God of your fathers, is giving you. Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the LORD your God that I give you. (Deau 4:1-2)
Here its proves God agve them free will. God said dont ad or remove anything from Torah. god did not say " I will preserve Torah".
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@kingkhan2 •For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal FATHER, Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6)
•For Thou art our FATHER, though Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not recognize us. Thou, O LORD, art our Father, Our Redeemer from of old is Thy name. (Isaiah 63:16)
mumswording 1 year ago
@mumswording OK man no one cares what u polytheists say. Muslims worship God of Adam-our father. we dont need ur bible or ur certificate. who cares if polytehistic mary worshippers say that their god and Allah is not same. We r happy with our religion. no one need ur crap. if u believe arabic is forced , abondon it and talk in ur coptic lingo. we r not interested in what u talk or what u believe.bloody jerk.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
@kingkhan2 Islam makes no claims that the gospels are corrupt. in fact it says the opposite!(Surah 5, Maida,v47) (Surah 5, Maida, v 43) (Surah 2, Baqara, v85)
(Surah 5, Al Ma'idah, v68) (Surah 5, Maida, v69) (Surah 7, A'raf, v159)
Its clear that mumu thought his teachings were congruent with christianity & judaism or he wouldnt have said for U as a muslim 2 believe & follow them. since we have scripture that dates to 100 ad that matches what we have now your corrupt claims are false
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@kingkhan2
Quran claimed that bib iscorrupted and it also says jesus called himself servant of God not son of God. Both jesus and mary were good ppl. bad person was saint paul to whom christians are following
kingkhan2 1 year ago
Christians originated from the middle east too..but those middle east Christians are given no rights.just think..Christians have been giving in for centuries.n we still are.we apologize fir Terry jones' commotion.because that us not what our religion taught us..in every instances we should just give in..
MieowKutty 1 year ago
@MieowKutty
what kind of right they wanted? Thank God they r alive. Muslims did not deal with middle easter xians the xians dealt with red indians. dont expect mercy when u have no mercy for others. ur mouthes should be nailed when u open it to accuse others of tyranny. bloody hooligans.
kingkhan2 1 year ago
Jesus came to israel and nearby lands,2000 years ago; which means to say there r pple whim might be following Christianity..bt it's do sad to see such middle east Christians being punished n have to be underground Christians. They forcefully make even Christians there into Muslims.is this fair? & nw there is a row btwn Americans and middle east..n the prob I'd of religion-Christianity vs Islam.but hey wait,who said all Americans are Christians?Christians originated from the middle east too..but
MieowKutty 1 year ago
Ok..but in the first place why aren't Christians allowed to use the word "Allah"?when converting to Arabic bibles for the Arabs to read,the ONLY word available is "Allah" we Christians have our bibles translated to various languages such as English,Tamil,Chinese and Malay even.
Even if u look chronologically,Christians came about first..as such Muslims came later and not allowing us to use the word?that's ironic:( Jesus came to israel and nearby lands,2000 years ago; which means to say there r
MieowKutty 1 year ago
This word allah is an arabic word that is imposed on all muslims as islam is really an imperialist religion and muslims that are not arabic should understand. Muhammad never claimed that the arabic language was "God inspired" so the reason all terms of islam are in arabic is an obvious sign of cultural imperialism, and it shows that this vile religion is not at all universalist or equalitarian for that only, if not for all the rest...
thegreatfearblog 1 year ago
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@thegreatfearblog I suggest people read what I have written on his profile to see how wrong this man is.
HateRacism25 1 year ago
YAHWEH Moses,ILAH Jesus , ALLAH Muhaamad...those calls for the same one..am i rite..language is a matter..
damrosky 1 year ago
@damrosky, You are very wrong, no other religion you talk about is pagan like Islam, no ones god comes or stems from the pagan god of Arabia. This is not due to language but proof that AllahHoolly is not the god of heaven, no one will ever call their god AllahHoolly either.
seanamico 1 year ago
never ending debate....
damrosky 1 year ago
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"Allah" is "God" in arabic
arabic is the language of the Quran
since bible was originated in israel and jesus is a jew who never speak arab but aramaic and hebrew , the christian must not use arabic words 'Allah' , instead they should be using ' Yahweh' / 'Elohim'/ 'Eli' or whatever jewish words for God
so why u christian are making a mess here in m'sia n indonesia for...using arabic language 'Allah' for your god?
u christians shud stop corrupting others wth ur corrupted mind, will u
jayasinga 1 year ago
@jayasinga, The most ignorant, retarded, backward cult in the world is Islam. You have been corrupt from your so called prophet or should we call him a profiteer. Christaians are nothing like you nor Jews, you want the demise of the world & to be accepted on face value.
Allah is the pagan god of Arabia, no one will ever accept it as the true god of Abraham, Moses or Jesus, they did not & no one else will either. You are the most corrupt cult in history, to bad you dont know history.
seanamico 1 year ago
Why would those Malaysian christians want to use the name of a demon god during their worship services? That's just dumb
pello777 1 year ago
WE'RE NOT INTERESTED!!! WE'VE BEEN USING IT FOR LONGER THAN YOU KNOW!!!!!!!!!
VixenH20 1 year ago
and this website
theamericanmuslim(dot)org/tam.php/features/articles/shariah_is_killing_an_apostate_in_the_islamic_law/
amybulat 1 year ago
@moborikenyo
You'll be able to get better info from this Q&A site.
//pkpolitics(dot)com/discuss/topic/punishment-for-an-apostate-in-islam-murtid-christianity
amybulat 1 year ago
@moborikenyo
Actually, there's no clear statement in Qur'an for excuting apostate merely for his/her disbelief in Islam only.
To the contrary, there are verses such as :
"There is no compulsion in faith." (2-256)
"You are not a taskmaster set up over them, but whoever turns away and disbelieves, Allah will punish him with the greatest torment."(88-22,23,24)
amybulat 1 year ago
@moborikenyo
Kindly give me the source of your information?
As far as I know, there's no any collective agreement on death penalty for appostasy. Of course killing outside of jurisdiction is never allowed in modern days Islamic nations.
amybulat 1 year ago
Islam doesn't teach killing apostates.
During Prophet Muhammad (S.A.S.)'s days, Muslim community was continously challenged by others, often engaged in war battle.
In that situation, there were many spies working for enemy group under cover. So if those who were close to the classified info turned to the enemy side, they were killed for the crime of treason, not for leaving Islam.
amybulat 1 year ago
@amybulat So why does Islamic law (Sharia) demand the murder of apostates from Islam? Almost all schools of Islamic jurisprudence agree that any Muslim can kill an apostate without punishment. The consensus view is that a male apostate must be put to death unless he suffers from a mental disorder or converted under duress, for example, due to an imminent danger of being killed.
moborikenyo 1 year ago
You can believe whatever you want to believe...
that's why you are non-Muslim.
Of course WE MUSLIMS KNOW THAT THE KA'ABA WAS REBUILT BY PROPHET ABRAHAM(A.S.) & AND HIS SON PROPHET ISHMAEL(A.S.)!!
You can find out what musilms do during the Hajji pilgrimage in Mecca, and what each action co-memorates of.
amybulat 1 year ago
The word ALLAH predates Islam. It was used by Arabic speaking Jews & Christians before the advent of Islam.
Hence, ALLAH can never be anything else but the GOD of Adam, of Abraham, of Moses,and of Jesus.
amybulat 1 year ago
Ka'aba was built as the place of worship by Adam(A.S.), the first human being, after he and his wife Hawa(Eve,A.S.) came down to earth.
It was later rebuilt by father Ibrahim(Abraham,A.S.) and his son Ismail(Ishmael,A.S.) by the GOD's order.
Descendants of Ismail became idolators and placed many statues in Ka'aba for practicing paganism.
In 7th century AD, GOD ordered prophet Muhammad(S.A.S.) to clense Ka'aba and restore original faith.
amybulat 1 year ago
@amybulat thats wrong....kabba was built by pagans to worship 360 gods..and one of that is the pagan moon god allah....not for adam...muhammad the pedophile stole kabba from pagan arabs.....but u know that
allahlovesmycock3 1 year ago
Too bad some people don't believe in GOD. Those who got faith and properly educated don't swear or curse people.
I'm a Japanese national born a buddist.
Used to go to church and read NT. Eventually converted to ISLAM.
Well, my mother still goes to evangelist church, but we are doing well.
For your info, Taqiya is a Shia's concept. Majority Sunni Muslims, such as myself, do not believe or practice it.
amybulat 1 year ago
herself311,
I heard that line like 1000 times while I was going to church in K.L. some 25 yrs ago.
I initially embarked on research on ISLAM for finding their faults, as many Christians do.
But, I found logic in their theology. And preservation of Holy Scripture was perfect.
Eventually, I officially converted to ISLAM upon a few years of research.
ISLAM teaches PEACE, no doubt.
amybulat 1 year ago
@amybulat
you must be retarded then, if you did not find any fault in the quran, then you are kidding yourself. you were in fact a muslim born and forced into islam at birth. your stupid religion invented by a rapist thief and pedophile mopedo the sub-human on earth
your fuckin gpig allah, the stupid evil bastard that has to steal, condone stealing and teaching the muslims how to divide the stolen war spoils
you fucking piece of shit liar. taqiyya. FUCK ALLAH
muhamadick 1 year ago
@amybulat teaches peace like killing apostates?....is that peace?..
allahlovesmycock3 1 year ago
Muslims are racists. fact.
herself311 1 year ago
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