Has history been tampered with? Homer's "Iliad" tells the tale of the First Crusade

[RobinMosley24]

and dan brown is a proven left wing lying heretic and fool you blatantly distorts and flat out lies about "documents"...hes been soundly refuted, plus 50% of his crap is plain made up...

[RobinMosley24]

wrong first crusade was a lot different, your distorting things to make something appear as it wasnt, homer's illiad was a poem not pure history and there are dated copies before the crusade and mention of it way before as well

[mstew1021]

Yes, history has been tampered with all right. This video is a perfect example. Anyone who knows anything at all about the topics mentioned here understand what a crock this is.

[EsaulRuss]

This video is brief summary of the work of Anatoliy Fomenko which, I must say, is pretty interesting and very well grounded. You just need to watch or read all his works.

[nofxmike06]

history is written by the victors. Remember that.

[ukmarco]

The worst form of religious fascism.

[RobinMosley24]

@ukmarco more anti-jesuit nonsense, homer's illiad was known world over by arabs persians and romans WELL BEFORE the "jesuits"....the trojan war refers to greece vs troy over helen which uccured troy was discovered as well as ancient discoveries have confirmed the homer story pottery-scenes etc

[mjwenzel]

I love the concept that you guys take "accepted" history as truth...How do you know? What proof do you have... O and carbon-dating is inaccurate. Identifying eclipses is much more accurate and he shows that the eclipses identified in sources could have only occurred in "recent" times. Read the book.

[rugbyboy198127]

@mjwenzel i know history is a web of lies spun in order to gain and secure power, i have found through personal interest of ancient british history that what we are taught in schools and the accepted version of history has most definately been corrupted, they're only finally just confirming the 562 ad comet on britain, when if they'd bothered to check welsh(ancinet british)historical text lol nevermind but why nobody else saying this, why nobody backing him up? science/history is open in uk so?!

[Neoklaki]

in addition to your "crusaders did not wait for 1000 years to punish the tormentors of Jesus" ... So you're saying that Christianity spread across the entire continent of europe within 1 century? in that age? This video is a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. I hope nobody actually takes this stuff seriously.

[Neoklaki]

Blasphemy.. for you to defame such a great piece of work and disgrace the author this way.

[0xMaster]

Indeed, his work is *far* more fascinating than Dan Brown at his wildest, not only because Brown knew his fiction from fact. Fomenko isn't even wrong.

[legionarioXIX]

I have read this text..it is interesting..but that is it. I would never take it seriously. Anatoly Formenko claims that Asian history is all a fabrication of monks/missionaries..I am sorry but that is not only insane but extremely ethnocentric. To me..this is a great work of propaganda at the hands of a Russian as a way to continue to inspire Russians to believe they are the chosen people of earth. So poor is his work that is even dismissed by many of his Russian colleagues...

[EsaulRuss]

@adamamida NO ! Fomenko and his Academic collaborators have been working on a restoration of history for more than 20 years now.

[DrXpovos]

Whoever knows he is deep, strives for clarity; whoever would like to appear deep to the crowd, strives for obscurity. For the crowd considers anything deep if only it cannot see to the bottom: the crowd is so timid and afraid of going into the water." Friedrich Nietzsche

[SteelWool91]

*NO OFFENCE* but this is just my opinion

BULLSHIT....

[Hammylaya]

this is not well presented or convincing. amazon links and narration by someone from the tv shop network has not much credibility.

its interesting never the less. if you want to make people believe this stuff, you have to present it in a more interesting way.

[Hammylaya]

this is not well presented or convincing. amazon links and narration by someone from the tv shop network has not much credibility.

its interesting never the less. if you want to make people believe this stuff, you have to present it in a more interesting way.

[Hammylaya]

this is not well presented or convincing. amazon links and narration by someone from the tv shop network has not much credibility.

its interesting never the less. if you want to make people believe this stuff, you have to present it in a more interesting way.

[knighttemplar6]

The iliad is a secret codex to presentes a very andvance civilzation

[MetaMorphy]

You guys are a bunch of crazy tools.

[MissAmberlehh]

just shut up column we need this for learning okay. i don't enjoy watching these damn videos either. but hey we need it so shutup!

[column658]

****NO OFFENCE****

Experts say there is no such thing about the existance of no Ancient warrior called 'Achillies'. No Scientific evidence he lived and no sign of the trojan war ever took place. Just a full load of crap. Fictional story happened to end up in the movies 'Troy'.

Today's modern world in the year 2007 what would this war be any difference if it never took place. What BULLSHIT! KISS MY ASS the first person to write this story teller!

[epidot010]

Secondly, modern acceleration mass spectrometry can be used to create radiocarbon dates with standard deviations as precise as 30 years. Even allowing a much larger error (4σ) most currently calculated dates from radiocarbon dating have an error within a couple of centuries, well within the bounds of even your scope of history. By the way, what journal article did you reference for your value of +/- 1500?

[epidot010]

Ok. Several things. First, in the calibration of carbon dating you refer to the Libby half life, which was calculated by using pre-existing dates for ancient Egyptian artifacts. The current methods for calibrating radiocarbon measurements use the Cambridge half-life, which was calculated using dendrochronology, not human artifacts.

[mithec]

libby c14 5568+-30,cambridge 5730+-,method is good, dendrochronology calibration is statistical aberration. google>books>fomenko>pp80-90, rgds

[mithec]

Radio-carbon method: This much touted method produces reliable dating of objects of organic origin with exactitude of plus minus 1500 years, therefore it is too crude for dating of historical events in the 3000 years timeframe! Initial calibration of this method was made basis artefacts of ancient Egypt already dated by historians. c14 dating runs as follows: archaeologist sends an artefact to a radiocarbon dating laboratory to rubberstamp his own idea of the age of the object.

[epidot010]

I have just one critique for this 'theory'. There have been literally tens of thousands of archaeological artifacts accurately dated by carbon-14 dating. This method is accurate to within several decades and can be used to date objects up to 40,000 years old. Are you suggesting that all those tens of thousands of independent measurements are wrong? And note; carbon dating is an exact science, unlike historical interpretation.

[mithec]

Radio-carbon method: This much touted method produces reliable dating of objects of organic origin with exactitude of plus minus 1500 years, therefore it is too crude for dating of historical events in the 3000 years timeframe! Initial calibration of this method was made basis artefacts of ancient Egypt already dated by historians. c14 dating runs as follows: archaeologist sends an artefact to a radiocarbon dating laboratory to rubberstamp his own idea of the age of the object.

[rizama]

Get your facts straight!

Carbon-14 dating, depending on method used (Libby or Cambrige), generally has an uncertainty of +/- 30 to 40 years. External factors can affect carbon 14 analysis but this becomes apparent in the analysis as decay across the material becomes inconsistent thereby rendering the uncertainty date higher - although rarely in the fantasy range you indicate.

[CARE2DOTCOM]

@epidot010 Wrong

[karakalos10]

well, Fomenko says that all ancient history was

made up ?

[karakalos10]

As for Troy it was a Greek city not far from Byzantium. I think Alexander the great went there because he liked homer's Iliad and

Acheleas... Trojans were greeks. in the ancient time it were there big "Greeks tribes". That was a battle between two of the 'Aioleis' kai 'Ionones'. The second went in troy after the first and because is was a rich city they want it for their own

[EsaulRuss]

@karakalos10 Do you know that Greeks are actually one of the tribes of early Slavs(Russians) ? If you do nmot know that then I advise you to reconsider all of the Greek history.

[carsalcyril]

recain: Istanbul is a name that works from 1453 and later before that it was Constantinople and before that Vyzantio. You dont even know the history of the city and you make us suggestions that we have to read the book first and then post comments? There is Troy there is Istanbul also its completely irrational to make them the same

[carsalcyril]

recain: what you mean like what , the archeological evidences are enough for you? the refer to Troy by greek mythology and roman also , by Plato and many of the well known ancient philosophers isn't enough serious for you?The archaeological evidences are not enough? And is enough a theory of somebody???

[Cashcrop650]

"Radio-carbon method: therefore it is too crude for dating of historical events in the 3000 years timeframe!"

Your a classic example of a disinformation lackey and everyone who is smart enough to understand the truth movement knows it.

Your focus on radio active dating proves it.

theres many other ways to date the age of things, how bout an ancient scholar! lets try say ohhh..Herodatus??

[carsalcyril]

go read some serious history writings, all these references to Troy and and the war from ancient years how could be taken place if your theory exists? all the ancient greeks refer to that war it is self proved that it happened on that time.

[recain]

"serious history writings", like what?

[carsalcyril]

semi education is worst than non education.

[mithec]

example: it has taken <20yrs for an ophtalmologist Zamenhof to invent ESPERANTO, lock, stock and barrel with all whistles.

[malicemoi]

Is this guy trying to say that there were some guys inventing thousands of words of the plethora of ancient Greek's dialects, developing a very complicated grammar and prosody for Greek and Latin, and writing some of the most complicated verses ever written, let alone faking myriads of ancient authors, etc.? The dating of artifacts may be wrong (that, in fact, is a counter-argument against what he is trying to say), but what about philology?

[sfudman]

this is the most interesting concept that I have encountered in a long time. My opinion on Fomenko's thesis is similair to my view of Pro-Wrestleing when I was 5 years old.

[recain]

read his book, see his evidence, and only then post comments ,please..

[hotbassist1986]

this is the biggest piece of shit fantasticism piece to market a book i've ever seen. if these jesus freaks actually believe this load of crap, then i'd hate to see our future in the hands of people like this.

[mithec]

Homo Sapiens sapiens species is approx. 120000 years old, but civilization (state+army+ideology) goes only as far back as AD 800, scarce information about 8-10 cy AD events, most historical events took place in 10-15th cy AD. Jesus 1153-1186 AD. Old Testament compiled after the new One, renders events of that period. All methods of dating of artefacts, including c14 are non-exact and contradictory, there are no written ORIGINALS dateble earlier than the XI century.

[recain]

Saying that human civilization goes back only to 800 AD is a huge stretch. It seems like Fomenko surrounds all his work around the 11th century AD, only because he think that Jesus was born that year. What difference does Jesus make? Was he the father of all humanity?

[ZuzerHun]

No real use arguing until we read the book imo. One thing is certain: history is being altered as we speak. Continuous alteration can make it total nonsense. If today's history is a series of lies, why would ancient history be true?

[kau1986]

r u comparing hellen to jesus'

[MIT1369]

This is nothing but racist rubbish.

[nixter888]

ZHTO H ELLAS!!!HAIL TO GREECE!!!!!!!

[karakalos10]

Troy wasn't an eastern city, Minor Asia was Greek... First crucade against greeks, from greek ?

[recain]

Troy was Istambul. It was never Greek..

[karakalos10]

lol troy wasn't Constantinople (or Istambul both are greek names)... LoL Constantinople was a Greek City called Byzantium and that's where the name Byzantine Empire comes from... after emperor Constantinos made it capital they called it " The city ( poli) of Costantinos" Costantino-poli... the greeks called it THE CITY because it was the biggest city at that time... Instambul is "IS TIN POLI" 'to the city' it's greek the turkish heared it and so they called it "To the city"

[recain]

first of all "to the city" ? Are you kidding me? You are just like that old guy from "My big fat Greek Wedding", you think all the names are coming from Creek.

I know that Constantinople, Istambul and Byzantium are all the same thing. But Fomenko is also saying that it is also the Troy and the Ancient Israel... He says that all this names apply for the same city back in the Middle Ages....

[karakalos10]

lol, yes i know it sounds funny, but Istambul comes from the Greek "To the City" in English this means exactly "I'm going to the City"... lol it's true :)

[recain]

: )

[xylofish1]

actually jesus crucified in 1776 and thaty was the cause of the revolt of the 13 colonies..get it?13 12 apostles plus jesus get it?bhahahahahaha and king george the 3 rd was actually pilate plus herod plus IGNUTZ PLUTO!!!get it?hahahahhahaha

[mithec]

The time-stamped history is readable only as far back as AD 800, we have almost no information about events between AD 800-1000, and most historical events we know took place in AD 1000-1500. Archaeo-, dendrochrono-logical, paleographical and carbon datings of ancient sources and artefacts are both non-exact and contradictory, actually there is not a single piece of firm written evidence or artefact that datable earlier than the XI century. History is a delusion.

[Borderose]

If Achilles was born in the middle ages how come Alexander the Great Idolized him?Dont tell me Alexander was born in in Renaissance

[recain]

he did.

[Borderose]

What do you mean?

[recain]

Sorry, I did not phrase it correct..

Fomenko is saying that Alexander the Great did not exist at all, but was a made up hero, whose prototypes were Muslim Sultans of the Middle Ages.

I know, Fomenko kind of stretching it too far...

[Borderose]

I'm sorry I don't really get Fomenko's works,Saying that Mankind's History only spans up to the 11th century is a huge blow for me as a history buff(also because if this is the truth,then why haven't I heard of scientist's endosing his views)...but I guess I'm really in no position to judge,since I have'nt really read his books only it's summaries.

[mithec]

Many scientist have noticed and criticised history manipulation, i.e. Isaac Newton, Jean Hardouin, Edwin Johnson, Morozov. Too much at stake, all criticisms swept under the carpet..

[karakalos10]

even if he didn't exist (kind of lol) someone did reach India, because there is a small town in Afghanistan (i think) which people there speak ancient Greek !!!! The Greek government is giving money to them...

[xtiml]

I can tell this is wrong when he says jesus was really crucified in 1076 . because the biblical jesus never existed so by re-dating a fasality of history he repeats just more falsities, ya think?this is disinfo to screw with your heads but accepted history is a pack of disninfo too.

[Cashcrop650]

Yea.. lol serious disinformation, you can tell because the voice isnt human. its a robot. and thas a advance fuckin robot..

lol this is the dumbest shit ive heeaard

[recain]

yeah, dude, totally!

[mithec]

Radio-carbon method: This much touted method produces reliable dating of objects of organic origin with exactitude of plus minus 1500 years, therefore it is too crude for dating of historical events in the 3000 years timeframe! Initial calibration of this method was made basis artefacts of ancient Egypt already dated by historians. c14 dating runs as follows: archaeologist sends an artefact to a radiocarbon dating laboratory to rubberstamp his own idea of the age of the object.

[Cashcrop650]

Your a classic example of a disinformation lackey and everyone who is smart enough to understand the truth movement knows it.

Your focus on radio active dating proves it.

theres many other ways to date the age of things, how bout an ancient scholar! lets try say ohhh...........

Herodatus??????

[turakman]

hope noone believes those shit, homer lived during 8th century bc how could he write for the 1st crusade? all the scientists have examined homers texts and all know they were writen at 8th century. history up to a point is twisted yes but finding conspiracies everywhere is sick

[greecoo]

you turks are jealous that we have so big history and you dont have a shit malaka

[not4resale]

he's not dissing greece you tool. He's merely discussing his point of view on Homer.

[recain]

how do you presume those scientists examined Homer's texts?

[hardcoremedic]

Ok he has a point, a lot has been filled in by the only ones at the time able to spend time in writing, the clergie,actual science proves ages by carbon dating not by writing thick books

[CJM052]

do u mean cyclical?

[mithec]

check this heresy just in case: go to google>to `more`> to `book search`>type keyword `fomenko`, read TOC or the whole book for this matter and free of charge.

[mithec]

Fomenko is clean statistics first and foremost. Over some 30 years of controversy, Russian historians have made a most remarkable transition - they were initially accusing the young brilliant mathematician Fomenko of anticommunist dissident activity and attempts to deface the historical legacy of Soviet Russia; nowadays the middle-aged mathematician is accused of adhering to "pro-communist Russian nationalism" and defacing the proud historical legacy of Great Russia.

[9Trademark9]

e. g.: During the communism era, countries under the rule (or inside) the soviet union decayed and morally declined until 1989. (Unless you believe, of course, that this is just a fiction invented by the catholic church:))

[recain]

you are out of your mind. Before Soviets, Russian and rest of Eastern Europe were a bunch of peasants ruled by a king. Their industry was on a law and most of those countries were on the break of their revolutions. But after the fall of USSR in 1989, we see a completelly different picture. Those countries are developed and industilized, and indeed can compete with Western capitalists...

[mithec]

ancient rome and Greece were a byproduct of 14-17th re-`naissance`

[credoicxc]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

This is ridiculous.

[strungoutonsix]

this...is awful.

[mithec]

The history of humankind happens to be both dramatically different and drastically shorter than generally presumed. Archaeological, dendrochronological, paleographical and carbon methods of dating of ancient sources and artifacts are both non-exact and contradictory, actually there is not a single piece of firm written evidence or artifact that could be reliably and independently dated earlier than the XI century.

[Safajohn]

So how can anybody then tell what "actually" happened. you have info no-one else does? The truth is that modern archaeology places a lot of these events firmly in our modern chronology. archaeology is very much scientific and to such ends does not seek to deceive. there is no plausible reasoning behind this. If this guy is such a good mathematician why does he write books about history? I dont understand maths...but you dont see me trying to tell you you got it wrong!