Creationism on Huffington Post. My interview part 2/6.

[nash984954]

When creationists attack, or even theists attack atheists it is a matter of trying to show guilt by association, yet even when they do that it really doesn't fit, because most of the time they get the facts wrong. Hitler was not an atheist, and the Catholic Church was not so much of an obfuscation to Hitler's madness anyway. They were scared s**tless and failed to properly go against Hitler.

[mattphillips66]

I wish the interviewers would let the guest speak. They chose him for a reason. He is way more interesting than the hosts are. Shut up and let him speak.

[WhiteCrazyPeople]

Even if he wasn't a Christian, how many evil tyranical motherfuckers were?

[digitalblasphemy1100]

when did hitler say his treatment to the jews had something to do with his belief in God?

[johnycannuk]

@digitalblasphemy1100 In just about every speech he gave on the matter. Basicaly he claimed he was doing the work of Christ in persecuting them. And the Germans, predominantly Catholics (like Hitler) and Lutherans, ate it up.

[digitalblasphemy1100]

@johnycannuk hitler abandoned his faith very eary in his life and i would like to see just one interview with hitler or any speech where he was giving credit to God for what he did to the jews. i'm not saying youre wrong but i have never seen or heard and i cannot find either. thanks

[Floortjahh]

@digitalblasphemy1100 National Geographic Apocalypse: Rise of Hitler.

[Texxyify]

@digitalblasphemy1100 Read Mein Kampf.

[HimesInu]

Jesus was a Jew. You can't be a follower of yourself.

[EarlFaulk]

@EvolutionLIE <----closed his account.....lol now thats funny.

[greeny202a]

@EvolutionLIE WOW your really good if I didnt know you were being bogus id be advising thorazine right now.

[greeny202a]

@EvolutionLIE Comeon mate its quite obvious youtube pays you to come on here talking this religious bullshit to stir things up! Nobody believes what you are talking about anymore, who are you trying to fool?

[Poleschs]

1. Hitler never read On The Origin of Species. 2. That he was after the Jews in itself a religious act, no atheist would go after a Jew.

[HimesInu]

@Poleschs I know that Hitler went after the Jews because of his religion, but what gave him the ability to go after them, what he used for the people of Germany to hate the Jews, was the idea that the Jews caused Germany to lose WWI

[davidt0504]

@EvolutionLIE lol well thank you for providing me with a good laugh

[davidt0504]

@EvolutionLIE so are you actually saying that the fact that judges agree with evolution is a weak point?

[realoldguy1969]

@EvolutionLIE

God is a lie!

God is a lie!

God is a lie!

[realoldguy1969]

@EvolutionLIE

Here is evolutionary evidence.

You have nipples. Whether you are a male or female, you have nipples. Both sexes can breastfeed, as gross as it sounds, because the male morphs from the original female form of the fetus.

You have a tail bone, because your ancestors, a million years ago had a tail.

Did god have a tailbone and nipples? Or just a big pussy?

[realoldguy1969]

@EvolutionLIE

All disciplines of biology accept evolution as truth. Edwards v. Aguillard US Supreme Court ruling -1987, 23 years ago, ruled in favor of Evolution over Creationism 9-2.

Evolution is valid. Every fossil ever found is a transitional fossil of another form of life. What part of evolution do you not get. Did you read the Origin of Species?

[Evilanious]

Lol 0 thumps down!

[Redbeardian]

It's a very good thing that Judeo-christianity bungle and distort their holy book in their modern versions of their religions. We just need Islam to follow suit.

[cdog4100]

@Redbeardian Ditto, though I might not use "distort." Instead, I might suggest that the religion is evolving to reflect the shifting moral zeitgeist. Because the practice of religion actual has positive pro-social benefits for many people, I think it is important to encourage change of religious doctrine without necessarily advocating for its rejection.

[Redbeardian]

@cdog4100 Though religions have had beneficial effects to society, I'd speculate that, as a naturally social species, we would still find ways to obtain similar social benefits in the absence of religion. Perhaps even greater levels of benefit can be had with social clubs based on reality. On the surface most religions appear to be a pyramid scam with clergy at the top of a large pile of innocent brainwashed followers. Example Scientology; They wont even tell you what it is unless you pay.

[cdog4100]

@Redbeardian The wonderful thing about science is it helps fill the gaps of understanding. I am sure you can think of a controlled study to test your speculation. Social psychologist studying the affects of "religiosity" do exactly that.

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

Is the fact that anti-semetism was official Catholic Doctrine as an edict of the vatican up until the 1960s being missed here?

[oilotnoM]

06:50, talking about facts backing you ... interesting news paper article discussing the phenomena:

"How facts backfire - the boston globe" (search it).

[lazyperfectionist1]

You know, those Nazis believed in gravity. They used it to drop bombs on Britain. So gravity must be evil.

[ProcInc]

@lazyperfectionist1 "You know, those Nazis believed in gravity. They used it to drop bombs on Britain. So gravity must be evil."

Though Special and General relativity must be good since the Nazis outlawed Relativity theory as 'jewish physics'

[StevePinto3]

@lazyperfectionist1

No, no, no, no. That means gravity doesn't exist you idiot!

[KiptaviusFuzz]

nice, no thumbs down

[Lioobayoyo]

creationists and fundamentalists invoking Hitler and Zazis to argue against Evolution are breaking through the Godwin Point as fast as a jet through the sound barrier

[lazyperfectionist1]

@Lioobayoyo Zazis?

[Lioobayoyo]

@lazyperfectionist1 oops typo i meant Nazis ;)

[truvelocity]

You do have to be prepared to talk to idiots, because they play passive aggressive word games. They are NOT interested in having an intelligent conversation.

[adrenacrumb]

The last real Christian died on the cross. hehe that is a great line.

[johnycannuk]

Hitler and Stalin were both followers of Lamarkian evolutionary theory, not Darwinian evolution by natural selection. So they were just as ignorant and rejected science in favour of ideology.

Sound familiar? It is exactly what religion does.

[cdog4100]

@johnycannuk weak sauce. I am frankly tired of YouTube Atheists making positive claims about the religious effects . . . WITHOUT ANY F'ing SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE. I am now going to start making video's and debunking these ridiculously ignorant, and frankly hypocritical, statements.

[johnycannuk]

@cdog4100 Without evidence? Have you not read any history? Hitler's entire racial theory was based on Lamark not Darwin. Millions of Soviet system died in the 30s due to the Lamarkian policies of Stalin - policies that were explicitly Lamarkian because such scientific hypotheses better fit with the "New Socialist Man"

Hypatia, Copernicus, Galileo, Giordano Bruno. Anti-condom, anti-stem cell, anti-vaccination, creationism and ID.

Hey, shall I go on ?

[cdog4100]

@johnycannuk I wasn't clear with my critique. Your statement "this is exactly what religion does" is the issue. Not with the history of eugenics.

As to that issue, using anecdotal evidence that correlates religious beliefs with negative events in history to assert "this is exactly what religion does" is flawed in at least two ways: (1) it find causality based on correlation, and (2) it discounts the benefits of religion. So it is BOTH too broad and too narrow .

[johnycannuk]

@cdog4100 Religion ceased to be beneficial once we, as a species, stopped being hunter gatherers, fearing animal attacks. Since then, its been used as a means of control.

There no "good" in religion ans an institution that cannot be done with out it.

Indeed the very idea of hierarchy that religion embodies is perhaps the worst evil of all - every other atrocity stems from that.

But, whatever. Make your videos and pretend to look down your nose at people if that makes you feel good.

[cdog4100]

@johnycannuk Every statement you made is a positive statement, without any evidence. II've been watching Thunderfoot, AaronRa, DonExodus, etc, stray from debunking scientific falsehoods to making unsubstantiated claims regarding religion. What's worse, is there is TONS of scientific literature regarding the issue. Im not looking down at you. I am taking issue with your arguments. Video to come maybe this weekend. I hope you'll watch and comment.

[digitalblasphemy1100]

@johnycannuk its interesting how these guys keep bringing up evolution vs. creation when evolution doesnt have anything to do with the explanation of the origin of life.

[xxDickBonesxx]

Haha talking about when at the playground: "watch out for NephillimFree"... I instantly thumped up.

[Daruqe]

WATCH OUT FOR NEPHILIMFREE.

[1RadicalOne]

And keep him away from your children.

[1metallica1]

"Mao, Stalin, Hitler" were people that weren't very nice". as if its that simple. heres a thought, why where they not nice? lets take hitler,have you ever thought that one of the reasons he was not nice is because of religion? religion can turn people crazy.it can also make a person think there crazy ideas are reasonable. example,if you think owning slaves is ok,then you read the bible and it says its ok to own slaves,you're going to start to think it must be ok to own slaves cause god said so

[TheGodlessGuitarist]

@1metallica1

It's also worth pointing out that Stalin trained to be clergy!

[realoldguy1969]

@1metallica1

Religion has been used as a tool to commit crimes against others throughout history. Burning witches, beheadings, Spanish Inquisitions, rape (deut. 22-22), murder, stoning, maiming, crucifixion. Name a crime and it was done in the name of god.

[NUTCASE71733]

@1metallica1

His father was also an abusive drunkard. But yeah your point combined with his childhood fucked Hitler up.

[bshieldsbb01]

Whenever you hear a Creationist say "You read Mein Kampf!" you know straight away, they haven't.

[JesusCockInAllahAss]

"Watch out for NephilimFree! Watch out for NephilimFree!" - There should be billboards across the land which proclaim this warning.

... not to mention outside of playgrounds and Chuck E. Cheese.

[pwnz0rz0r]

very good pronounciation of "Mein Kampf"

[captainghey]

13:53: in b4 "BUT THEY'RE STILL BACTERIA!!!!1111!!"

[plevyman]

Not sure what point that guy was trying to make about Darfur. It's simply not true that the war in Darfur has killed as many people as the 50 million that died in WWII.

I also disagree with the explanation that "Mao, Stalin, Hitler" did what they did just because they were "people that weren't very nice". Actually it's a really crass simplification of history. Ideology *is* important, quite apart from the means to carry out such crimes.

[Skaryon]

@plevyman Of course idology is important. The point is just that atheism isn't what drove them (Well as has been said, Hitler wasn't an atheist anyway).

[plevyman]

@Skaryon I agree with that, I just don't agree with what the interviewer is saying here.

[MirageScience]

Hitler obviously killed the Jews because they where blamed for killing Jesus. If anyone even cares to know that Hitler was a Christian then all they need to do is read his book.

[xbyiu97]

@MirageScience it also doesn't help that anti-semitism was rampant in the catholic church prior to hitler's rise to power, and jews were generally viewed as christ killers by most powerful catholics. theres a wiki article on "jewish deicide"

[managarm1349]

very cool, too bad theres very few stuff from lor these days

[AutodidacticPhd]

At 10:00 someone popped the cliche "physicists don't have to defend gravity..."

Hehe, trust me, there is another branch of crazy out there which questions gravity. If you have the time, go look up the "Electric Universe". It's basically a failed cosmological model (Plasma Cosmology) that has been hijacked by conspiracy theorists... and frankly, I think they may be a bigger problem than creationists in the long run.

[ProcInc]

"and frankly, I think they may be a bigger problem than creationists in the long run."

How do you figure?

[AutodidacticPhd]

@ProcInc The answer comes in two parts, and both of them are long. Quick and dirty though, it comes down to Creationism being too pathological and the Electric Universe being much harder to refute. There's also the fact that, though reliant on fuzzy thinking, creationists don't tend to branch out into ever more ridiculous pseudosciences anywhere near as fast as conspiracy theorists.

I admit it is a close call... but the one seems to be a shrinking problem while the other is growing.

[ProcInc]

@AutodidacticPhd

We'll have to see how much mainstream appeal "electric universe" winds up with in the future. I don't see it having the same religious and political opportunities for spreading as creationism has but I could very well be wrong.

[10thAngel]

DID I HEAR A SAMSUNG VIBRATION TONE AROUND 12:00????? :D:D

[ixiwildflowerixi]

I haven't heard the full interview yet, so you might still point this out, but whenever I hear someone trying to link Darwin to Hitler the second thing that comes to my mind (the irrelevancy of the claim is the first) is that Darwin's works and ideas -- actually anything related to Darwinism at all! -- was banned and burned in Nazi-Germany.

Anyone who understands Natural Selection knows that its conclusions are the polar opposite to Nazi ideology.

[blackwolf1200]

@ixiwildflowerixi Darwin's books are not on the list of banned books. But, the latest available German edition of "Origin" during nazi times was published in 1884 (afaIk), so it was not a well known and easily available book. Much more popular were the works of Ernst Häckel, a German evolution scientist who botched a few things and doctored a few images, but who otherwise had a generally sound view of evolution for his time. His works were explicitly banned and ordered destroyed by the nazis.

[ixiwildflowerixi]

@blackwolf1200 You're right and I did not mean to imply otherwise.

Darwin's books did not make it onto an actual blacklist, but his books were effectively banned from 1935 onward (cp. Die Bücherei 2.6 (1935): p. 279) along with all other books relating to "Darwinism" (an admittedly broad and ill-defined term that - as you pointed out - at that time in Germany primarily referred to Häckel's school of thought).

[ZellMurasame]

At about 6 minutes in you mentioned about debating creationists... I was waiting for the bus one day going to University and asked if I wanted to hear about god and all the good shit in the world. I told her that god doesn't exist and that everything was explainable by science, and she asked me who created science... I face-palmed.

[AEVautomatic]

no you win the debate by being right thats it.

[steveb0503]

@AEVautomatic Only on paper though - your being right can simply be disavowed by the other party. I have found this to be true WAY too often for my liking ;-)

[gnawershreth]

Great stuff, Don. :)

And GJ on charity event as well. :D

[IPA300]

Well Mr. Don, I didn't know bacteria had money to waste. :)

[RuinSonic]

Want proof? Answer this question.. "Darwin's theory of natural selection hasn't been all good. It also led to the philosophy of social Darwinism and the practice of eugenics."

fact

fiction

almost fact

Answer fact.

Source howstuffworks.

I am pissed at that website.

[bencubed]

@RuinSonic .. You honestly believe genocide and eugenics-like practises didn't take place before the reality of biological evolution was recognized ?

[RuinSonic]

@bencubed no but the geniuses from howstuffworks puts a complete creationist question in the 10 question quizz about evolution saying that evolution wasn't all good because it led to eugenics and social darwinism. It has other ludicrous statements. And mind you howstuffworks does speak in favor of evolution.

[bencubed]

@RuinSonic ..

It is a complete fallacy to characterize evolution as a philosophy when it is a verified biological process.

Suggesting it motivates social Darwinism acts against humanity is the equivalent to condemning Newtonian believers in gravity for applying it's use with the guillotine.

[RuinSonic]

@bencubed Science is a philosophy under foundationalism which implies evolution is an empirically based practical philosophy as well. I'm sorry, but philosophy defines every other discipline. No matter how simple the assumption is it is still philosophically based. Things don't become philosophy only when we are talking about things that aren't certain.

I wouldn't call evolution a philosophy only because of the bastardization of what creationists mean when they say it is a philosophy.

[RuinSonic]

@bencubed It has similar baggage to the statement evolution is just a theory. Creationists want to smuggle in facts with negative connotations that mean more than just the simple words put together.

[bencubed]

@RuinSonic .. There is no small amount of comic irony that religion seeks to discredit the science of evolutionary theory by comparing it to itself.

One of the major differences is that science seeks to grow, evolve and expand it's knowledge base, whereas religion is reactionary and seeks to stop time freezing our understanding of our world in a bygone era.

Quite anti-social really. One need look no further than the Pope and the Vatican condemnation of the use of condoms in Africa.

[RuinSonic]

@bencubed "One need look no further than the Pope and the Vatican condemnation of the use of condoms in Africa."

Why don't religious people stop and think about how often religious people in the past have claimed something was beyond science and were wrong. Like, 100% of everything that has been tested disproved the past religious people's beliefs. Instead of theists telling us science can't answer the question of life, the theist should be giving proof why we should believe them this time.

[bencubed]

@RuinSonic ..

' Since the Bible and the church are obviously mistaken in telling us where we came from, how can we trust them to tell us where we are going? '

[RuinSonic]

@bencubed Lol exactly. Except many of the more modern Christians will tell us to ignore the primitive understandings of reality in parts of Genesis but trust what they have to say about theological matters. God just went out of his way to make the debate about the bible live on.

[bencubed]

@RuinSonic ..another:

' All Gods were immortal. '

[aaKonda]

Hitler being "an evolutionary biologist"... whatta fuck...

[RuinSonic]

Take the evolution quizz "fact or fiction" at the website howstuffworks. I can't believe they put so much Creationist bs in there. I got a few questions wrong just because my answers didn't agree with their opinion.

[phurphy]

Hitler Wasn't a Vegetarian anyway. He just farted like one.

[opcn18]

Are you posting more than an hour of audeo as video at once?

[HitodamaKyrie]

Great interview, Don. =D

Mean sheep, indeed.

[dildace]

Ah, so there's more