Kent Hovind Says You Must "Repent of Your Sins" to be Saved

[GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV]

Well, Kent recently realized he was wrong in believing the mass taught pre trib rapture lie, so hopefully he will soon give up the "turn from sin" heresy as well.

He doesn't seem to push it like many street preachers, etc would when they say you MUST TURN FROM SIN, but what he is saying here is pretty much just as bad.

Repent and believe in the Bible just means to change your mind, from non belief to belief.

It has nothing to do with giving up sin.

Jesus saves while yet in sin.

[tramfilmrobin]

@GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV Amen mr!

[tramfilmrobin]

We Must NOT "Repent of Our Sins" to be Saved.... We need to recieve the free gift of salvation from God. The works of Jesus is enough. This message is wrong. Belive in Jesus Christ! Is anyone able to save himself?

[GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV]

@tramfilmrobin

The answer to your question is "no".

That's why preaching "turn from your sins and accept Jesus" is so bad.

IF it were possible for us to turn from sin, we wouldn't need Jesus.

[billandtree]

Repent is metanoeō, (μετανοέω) meaning to change ones mind, in the context of the Gospel means to change your mind about who Jesus is, is He the Messiah, or is He not. repent ye, and believe the gospel or in context, "Change your mind and believe the good news".

God repented, if repentance was a turning away and a forsaking of sin, what does that make God, is God a man that sins......?

In essence Salvation is by changing your mind, to believe on Him and in Him alone for your salvation... :O)

[GodGunsGutsGlory4KJV]

It is a bummer when such a learned man in most things gets this tweaked. :-(

[rustysruger]

(KJV) Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Seen pretty clear to me...

[whoshallascend]

Gentlemen and brothers. It seems that this debate is often that some brothers feel that adding anything to the gospel is unbiblical. Well i agree that we shouldn't add anything to the gospel. But if Jeremiah, Ezekiel, John Baptist, Christ, the 12, the 70, Peter, and Paul preached repentance, and then someone else does, leave them alone. I don't stop people from repeating what the Master said. So why do you? Jesus told us to preach repentance, so preach repentance.

[whoshallascend]

@BelieveandtrustJesus ...(part 2) changes you. If any man be in Christ, he is a new creation. God brings the change, or repentance. Repentance=change. So did God do it, or did man do it...God worked the repentance in the man. But the man had to have a change worked in him. God commands repentance, the man responds, God says believe, the man believes, the man is saved. No, it is not a 2 step process, but repentance is part of the salvation. It is not unbiblical to tell ungoldly men to repent.

[whoshallascend]

@BelieveandtrustJesus You said salvation isn't depending on you doing anything. Well I agree to an extent. You can't save yourself. But I look at the Bible very simply, cause I have to think simply. The Bible says believe and be saved, and one day I did. Did I do something or not do something...I could care less. I believed and still believe and I am saved. Well, I also repented. That day I changed, and everyone I know saw me change. Did I do something or not? Same answer. But salvation...

[whoshallascend]

@BelieveandtrustJesus You are kind of throwing me here, dear brother. If repent doesn't mean "from sin" then what does it mean? A change toward sin? Repentance is change, I think we can all agree. So if God commands repentance, is it a change toward sin or away from it? If one gets saved, they repented. They turned from whatever way they were going to Christ. From sin, or sins, or of sin, or of sin, etc, etc, i don't care. The point is you change from what you were to the Author and Finisher

[whoshallascend]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Seriously bro, that is low. I have seen him three times and bought him lunch once. He has a heart for Jesus. Disagree with a brother, no problem, but I think what you are implying is not brotherly, my friend. How will they know us: if we have love for one another.

[whoshallascend]

@BelieveandtrustJesus We are obsessed with the word because Jesus told us to preach it to all nations, Luke 24:45-47 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Why does it bother you that we say what the Master told us to?

[Kyouryuu5000]

Believe-143 times in 131 verses in the Bible.

Repent-46 times in 43 verses in the Bible.

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Jonah three, verse ten has already been explained. The works were the outward signs of inward repentance.

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Repentance is essential to the Gospel and essential to salvation, so there is good reason to be "obsessed" with it.

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Which is...SIN. Repentance is not the same as faith; hence, "repentance towards God, and faith towards our Lord Jesus Christ." Look at Luke 13! Note the word, "Sinners."

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Why does it need to? What else needs to repented of BUT sin?

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus ...Repent AND; hence, emphasizing. E.g., "Believe and trust on the Lord Jesus Christ!"

(Luke 5:32 NKJV) - "I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance."

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus (Ezekiel 18:30 NKJV) - ' "Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways," says the Lord GOD. "Repent, and turn from all your transgressions, so that iniquity will not be your ruin." '

[soulwinningministry]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Amen!

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Yes, they need to turn to God, repent and trust Christ. Turn from what? According to Scripture, no one does good, not even one (Romans 3, etc.). Everything a man does is "filthy" (Isaiah 64:6) in God's Sight before salvation. It says just persons [saved] do not need repentance. Sinners [sin] do. Why?

[TheCrushmaster]

@soulwinningministry No one is saying salvation is a work. Nor is John 3:18 invalid. Who are you believing on? You are believing on the Son of God. That is authority; hence, Lordship Salvation. There is no other kind. For example...(Acts 20:21 NKJV) - "testifying to Jews, and also to Greeks, repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ." Explain to me why Paul desires for God to grant unbelievers repentance, if repentance is a "work."

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus ...It uses the words "Repentance", in reference to "Sinners." What does that imply?

[theocratickingdom30]

@soulwinningministry: Now true repentance issues from a realization in the heart, wrought therein by the Holy Spirit, of the exceeding sinfulness of sin, of the awfulness of ignoring the claims of Him who made me, of defying His authority. It is therefore a holy hatred and horror of sin, a deep sorrow for it, and acknowledgement of it before God, and a complete heart-forsaking of it. Not until this is done will God pardon us. He that covereth his sins will not prosper (Prov. 28:13).

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus I already explained Jonah 3:10. It's very simple. As for referencing God: language cannot express the mind of God.

Please explain this verse to me: (Luke 15:7 NKJV) - "I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance." Note the uses of the word "sinner", and "just persons."

[TheCrushmaster]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Please explain to me how Christ, John the Immerser, etc., preached repentance; how Paul wanted God to grant the unregenerate repentance; etc., etc., etc.

[jacksmack77]

I'm glad you are exposing the Lordship/repentance lie!

keep up the good work. Where is repent or repentance in the book of John and then when Paul addressed the church of Galatia he left it out there as well.

[JesusforLife2]

Nice to see he adheres to sound Biblical doctrine instead of easy-believism heresy.

[soulwinningministry]

@JesusforLife2 Lordship salvation is not the true gospel, it's Mormon, Catholic cult bondage. You and the other Pharisees can take your works salvation packing!

[TheCrushmaster]

@soulwinningministry There is no other salvation BUT Lordship Salvation.

[soulwinningministry]

@GRANTEDREPENTANCE I have chief.

[soulwinningministry]

@GRANTEDREPENTANCE The Greek word for repent means "rethink" I thought you read the "originals" LOL

[soulwinningministry]

Ways repentance is required for Salvation:

Repent of a false god

Repent of unbelief

Repent of idols

Repent of a false religion

Repent of anything that is preventing you from believing on Jesus Christ

Not necessary for salvation:

REPENTANCE OF SINS

(Explain to me how sins could hinder the ability to believe on Jesus Christ)

[CutClip]

lol...

repentance is biblical!

[tigerlilly66]

@CutClip = Roger that! Consider this definition, as given by Dr. Henry Morris of ICR as a footnote to Acts 2:38:

"Repentance toward God and faith in Christ are like the two sides of the same coin, each of which implies and requires the other".

This is a GREAT definition, but I can guarantee you that two individuals - soulwinningministry and edwardpf123 will once again say that repentance has NOTHING to do with salvation, but is only for RESTORATION!

Please DON'T buy their snake oil !

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 Do I also need to be baptized to be saved?

[soulwinningministry]

@CutClip Indeed it is but not this definition. Maybe next I should cry 144,000 tears just to make sure I'm really saved.

[CutClip]

@soulwinningministry lol, did you catch when Pastor Price used that line in one of his recent sermons?

[soulwinningministry]

@CutClip I think so, can you send it to me so I can watch it again?

[CutClip]

@soulwinningministry I'm not sure what video it's in..

[tigerlilly66]

@CutClip = Be advised...soulwinningministry has a problem! Ask him what time it is, and he'll tell you it looks like rain. Ask him what day of the week it is, he'll tell you that it's 10:20PM. Ask him for a light, and he'll say "I'd like my steak medium rare". In other words, he is a MASTER at avoiding the question and telling you what HE wants to say, whether or not it has the slightest bearing on your point or question. Read his many statements and you'll see this clearly ! Unbelivable!

[CutClip]

the brethren ought to love one another.

We have an eternity to spend together :)

[tigerlilly66]

@CutClip =

Quite true, once you have established WHO the "brethren" indeed are! Unfortunately, when people decide that what THEY think about scripture is more important than what the Word itself says, we have a problem. Are they really our brethren or not? When edwardpf and SWM say that repentance has NO place in salvation, then I have to make a choice...(1) believe God; or (2) believe them. For me, the choice is a simple one. Some may think it is much ado about nothing, but I think otherwise!

[CutClip]

@tigerlilly66 brethren are saved people but God also is merciful to the unjust, so in essence e are to love all people because God loves all people.

Repentance in the context of salvation is different from 'repentance from sin' in the context of Christian living.

Lordship salvation preachers mix up the two and sadly many people end up with bad doctrine.

[tigerlilly66]

To all of those who've been reading the many comments about this video, may I offer 2 reminders:The Bible is unified in its message in every case. God says what he means and means what he says.Yet ALL of us, including myself, state with absolute certainty that OUR interpretation is the correct one! Lastly, we all have biases. Anyone saying otherwise is a bald-faced LIAR. Applying those biases is very risky and unwise in Bible interpretation, and may be a stumblingblock to others. Caveat Emptor!

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 You believe that you must be baptized for salvation.

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry =

I most certainly do NOT, repeat NOT believe that baptism is necessary for salvation. I have never stated, hinted at, or implied that I believe this. I am an independent Baptist and have been for 40 years. Independent Baptists have NEVER believed in baptismal regeneration - NEVER, nor have I.

Are you ready to apologize for all to see that you falsely accused me? If you are, I will see that apology, as will anyone else who sees it.

Well? I'm waiting...

[tigerlilly66]

Hey Edward...yeah, YOU, edwardph123 =

So you make a video to rebut heretics like me that claim that repentance is part and parcel of salvation, but put a "pending approval" block on comments? What's with that? Could it be you only want warm and fuzzy compliments to your Bible scholarship and to keep riff-raff like me out?

C'mon...I double dog dare you...open your comments without restriction and see what people REALLY think of what you say! Even Theo BS let's everyone have their say!

[tigerlilly66]

According to Eerdmans Bible Dictionary, repentance is..."A biblical concept ranging from regret or remorse to a complete changing of the mind or behavior. In the OT, the basic idea of repentance implies turning from sin to righteousness, often with accompanying sorrow. In the NT, it relates to the Greek word metanoeo, meaning to understand something differently after thinking it over. Jesus began his ministry with repentance as the PREREQUISITE for entering the kingdom of God (Mk 1:15, Mt 4:17).

[revholland1]

@revholland1 ...Note the order in which they appear. 'Repentance' first, then 'remission of sins.'

[soulwinningministry]

@revholland1 Note he says that Repentance is turning from sins.

[tigerlilly66]

@revholland1 = What do you think of the Eerdman's Bible Dictionary definition of repentance? I know that edwardpf and soulwinningministry won't like it, nor the one even Wikipedia gives. If you've read these comments, you know that they both think repentance is something one does AFTER salvation when they mess-up, but God forbid that we should be expected to repent of ANYTHING to be saved!

Does repentance REALLY precede the remission of sins, or is Acts 2:38 just trying to trick us?

[revholland1]

@tigerlilly66 .....Yes very good indeed. We could also add I suppose 1 Thess. 1v9 '..ye turned to God from idols top serve the living and true God.' If that is not a turning from sin I don't know what is?! The Lord bless!

[gimik2]

Yup, Kent Hovind is wrong on this one. Nobody can be good enough to go to heaven on his own merits or add his merits to Jesus' holy atoning blood. It's either Jesus 100% or not at all!

[TheHairline]

I had a Hovind video sent to me that I destroyed.

Evey single point the man made using statistics and diagrams that was supposed to prove that taking prayer out of schools back in '62 was the cause of all of America's problems was completely refutable and disgustingly twisted in his favor just for the sake of tricking his audience into hearing what they wanted to believe.

This man has a history as a teacher, and as future teacher myself, it made me sick. This man is a horribly dishonest.

[edwardpf123]

It is amazing how many people add to the Gospel! Repentence is a change of mind. Nowhere in the scriptures does it say 'repent of one's sins'. What the unbeliever needs to know is 'what he must to do be saved' sin only shows that he NEEDS to be saved. Repentence is automatic when one 'changes one's mind about Christ' and receives Him as their personal saviour. (Acts 16:31)

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

Like faithaloneromero, you split hairs, contort definitions, and huff and puff in trying to "prove" that the Bible doesn't teach repentance, then turn around and say that repentance is "automatic when one changes one's mind about Christ". In other words, you state a position, then disprove your OWN argument by citing EXACTLY what repentance is all about...a change of mind that brings about a change of action/direction !

Can't you see the obvious contradiction in terms you use?

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 "split hairs"? the difference between trusting in your own righteousness and trusting on the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross is not 'splitting hairs' it is the very difference between eternal life or eternal damnation. The Bible does teach repentance, just not your private interpretation. The Bible never once says "repent of sins" nor "repent of your sins for salvation" It does say believe many times.

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry = Please note my just-posted comment to edwardpf123 as it is relevant to our discussion...I ask you the same questions! I am a Baptist and most certainly NOT one that believes in a Charismatic-style "salvation" that is largely "feeling based", but is unfathomable to me that someone who truly understands the enormity of their sins would not NATURALLY feel remorse when realizing that those sins nailed the Saviour to the tree!

How about II Cor. 7:8-12, especially 10?

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -I will do a video shortly on 2Cor. 7 explaining what is being discussed. Eternal salvation isn't the sujbect. It is addressed to saved people who need to change their minds about their sins and confess them.

After one is saved, then sin becomes the issue since it breaks our fellowship with God, hence the need to confess them (1Jn.1:9). No one is being saved in 2Cor.7, those chapters are dealing with spiritual growth, not being saved from hell.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

I figured you'd pull that rabbit out of the hat. I understand that the Corinthian letter was written to believers, but that does NOT change the fact that it is SORROW for sins, REPENTANCE for sins, then SALVATION from sins. Why would Paul reference salvation at all if he's writing only to those already saved? Could it possible be that he was concerned about false belief on the part of many of them? Text and context makes it clear he's covering the whole gamut of the issue!

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -It is sorrorw LEADING to repentence (change of mind about the sin)

'Now I rejoice not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed TO repentence' The sorrow led to the repentence. Now, nothing is said about repentence FOR sins to salvation anywhere in the Bible. The salvation that Paul is referencing is not eternal salvation, it is being saved from God's punishment for sin as many were sufferering already (1Cor.11:30) and were to judge themselves (1Cor.11:31)

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 ==

Please see my post to soulwinningministry as it applies here. Hair-splitting and language-gymnastics do not change the clear reading of the passage. I'm just dumb enough that when God says "for godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation" that it is PRECISELY what he means. This is the kind of nonsense that turns people off to the Bible altogether because believers can't even agree among themselves on the BASICS!

Let's knock off the word games and just believe the Book!

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -It is you who refuse to believe what the Book SAYS. It says 'godly sorrow worketh repentence to salvation'. Repentence means a 'change of mind' So, even if the salvation in that passage were referring to eternal salvation (which it isn't) the passage still doesn't say that one ought to repent of one's sin for salvation.

Vs.9 says that they sorrowed TO repentence, in other words the sorrow brought about repentence. Stop reading what isn't there.

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -no one is 'splitting hairs' the term 'repentence' has nothing to do with 'feeling sorry for one's sins'

Repentence is simply changing one's mind about Christ. You didn't believe in Him before and then you changed your mind and do now. The Bible doesn't teach repentence as having to do with emotion or your sins.

That is why the phrase, 'repent of your sins' is never used in the Bible. Lets stick with what the Bible SAYS and not add up our own critera.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

Having just been through an acrimonious and completely unnecessary battle with my own pastor and a couple of latter-day pharisees over this very issue, I must express amazement that this dialogue is even taking place! Pray tell me WHY someone could "change their mind" (an exact definition of repentance) and yet feel NO remorse or sorrow for their sins? I would be highly suspect of faith that could produce that kind of reaction. How about II Cor. 7:10? Pretty darn clear to ME!

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -The issue is what someone is changing their mind about. They are not changing their minds about sin, they are changing about their minds about who Christ is. Emotion is subjective and individual. The preaching of sin is to let the person know he is condemned and on the way to hell, and once that is accomplished, the issue becomse, how does the person get saved, not his sins.

2Cor.7:10 isn't even talking about eternal salvation, it is addressing saved people!

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 it is pretty clear that saved believers who live in sin need to get right with God

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry =

Are you and edwardpf in cahoots on this one? I don't mind taking on two of you at the same time, but you both say pretty much the same things. No problem...I'll just do the same to you both.

If the passage refers ONLY to believers as you state, pray tell WHY is the topic of attaining salvation in the first place even being mentioned? Why is Paul wasting time and ink when the issue is only about fellowship and the need to, as you put it, "get right with God"?

C'mon !

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -Salvation in the context is not referring to eternal salvation. Salvation doesn't always refer to salvation of the soul, sometimes it refers to being saved from God's punishment on sin, as it does in this case.

The 'worldly sorrow' worketh death, in other words, it is seeing the sin as the world sees it, not as God does and resisting confessing it as David did until confronted by Nathan and saw the sin as God did (2Sam 12)

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 - we are saying much of the same thing because that is what the Bible is saying.

And the Bible spends a great deal of 'time and ink' speaking about fellowship with God after one is saved. The issue about fellowship with God is the central theme in the two books of Cor. since they were carnal Christians who needed to grow up.

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 cahoots!?!?! He is my Brother in Christ and is correct with what the scripture says. Why didn't the philippian jailer repent of his sins? Why didn't the thief on the cross repent of his sins? Why did Judas repent of his sins yet he still went to hell?(the scripture says because he didn't believe) Why isn't "repent of your sins for salvation" found in the Bible?

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry = Isn't it a shame that the 3 of us who all say we believe in salvation by grace through faith would even be having this disagreement? How prone we all are to "see" scripture the way we WANT it to read...exactly what we accuse the cults of doing! My answer: the Phillipian jailer DID repent of his sins! The thief on the cross did likewise! My proof? Luke 13:3. Since JESUS said "all", I'm just dumb enough to believe he means ALL! Just let the Book say what it says!

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 Yes I agree that all must repent of their unbelief.

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry = Great! Why do we have to get so hung up on SEMANTICS that we literally can't see the forest for the trees? I'll agree that the Bible does not specifically say "repent of all your sins" in order to be saved. It also never uses the word rapture. Does that then mean that I Thess. 4:15-17 is invalid? One can be sorry without repenting, but REAL repentence will always bring sorrow and a change of direction in one's life. That's all I'm saying! Surely we can agree on this!

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -See how you have it backwards! If you are going by vs.10, it is sorrow that leads to repentence, not the other way around. And those verses aren't dealing with eternal salvation, they are growth passages (see vs.1). The question is what saves you, and what saves you is simply faith in Christ, not repenting of your sins or feeling sorry for them.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

No remorse equals no repentance. If I feel no sorrow for my sins, I have no reason to repent, now do I? No repentance equals NO SALVATION.

So I can repent of my unbelief only and be saved and guaranteed Heaven, but I'm free as a bird to continue to be whatever I was before I said my 1-2-3-repeat-after-me-prayer. Still an adulterer? No problem...I "believed". Still a liar and a thief? That's cool, because I had "faith" at one point in time.

You're lost in Never Never land !

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66

1-2-3-believe-the-gospel

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry =

Couldn't agree with you more. Would you be so kind as to tell me (1) what the gospel consists of; and (2) where it is found in scripture?

Just to be sure we're on the same page and using words that mean the same thing to us both.

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -1Cor. 15:1-4 for states very clearly what the Gospel is and repentence isn't mentioned.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123, answering for soulwinningministry...

Re: The Gospel...

And neither is faith, hope, meekness, love, peace, joy, salvation, grace, Heaven, Hell, the judgment, the Tribulation...

shall I go on?

Using your logic, none of these are valid since they are not mentioned as part of "The Gospel".

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 - Why go on since you clearly have no idea what you are talking about!

The word 'faith' is used for the Gospel

'Ac 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.'

Grace is used as well (Eph.2:8-9) showing that it is all of God. Your 'feelings' about sins mean nothing.

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -See, you aren't talking about salvation, you are talking about how one lives after salvation.

When a person is saved by faith alone, he is now a child of God and God will deal with him when he sins (Heb.12, Gal.6) Ofcourse, you must no longer sin having 'repented of your sins'

To be saved one has to realize he is dead in his sins and going to hell and that he is helpless and trust in Christ that He paid the debt in full. It is just that simple.

[soulwinningministry]

@edwardpf123 tigerlilly66 believes that he is without sin.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

I know that I need to practice Titus 3:10 more in my encounters here on youtube.

Titus 3:10,11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

[edwardpf123]

@soulwinningministry -Amen and amen!

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 = This gets more confusing the more we talk about it. If II Cor. 7:10 is referring to AFTER salvation, why then is salvation mentioned at all? Cannot a verse speaking more directly about fellowship also reinforce and reiterate the role sorrow plays in repentance for salvation? Of course it can without doing any harm whatsoever! Are you just being sarcastic or do you really believe that after salvation, we no longer sin? If the latter, I guess I John 1:8 is a misprint in your bible.

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Your false interpretation is confusion. Stop adding to the Gospel.

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -No 'if' about it. Salvation is a word used for more than just eternal salvation. Often it refers to salvation from temporal judgement. See the verses I list on my video that show that. I don't say you no longer sin after salvation, that is why you need 1Jn.1:9. Sorrow has nothing to do with eternal salvation at all.

What is important in eternal salvation is recognizing you are a sinner going to hell and receiving Christ as your saviour.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

Did my IQ just drop by 100 points, or are you telling me what verse 10 clearly and unequivocally states? Or is it just the "archaic King James text" that makes understanding "For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation" too hard? I did not have it backwards. The two go hand in hand. I ask again...why would anyone repent of what they are NOT sorry for? Maybe I should have said that real repentance is produced by godly sorrow. There...are you happy now?

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -Clearly you do have a reading comprehension. I read that 'godly sorrow worketh repentence (change of mind), I don't see godly sorrow BEING repentence. One leads to the other. Moreover, the 'salvation' being spoken of in that chapter isn't eternal salvation, it is dealing with saved people. So, 'godly sorrow' is dealing with one's sins and it is seeing the sin as God sees it, not as the world does (worldly sorrow).

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

So I have reading comprehension problems, eh? When did I ever say that sorrow is repentance? Read any or all of my posts and you'll not see that phrase, or anything close to it used. WHO has a comprehension issue here?

You continue to evade the CLEAR statement of the verse that puts things in the following order...(1) godly sorrow; (2) repentance; (3) salvation. Try to cram the square peg of restoration into the round hole of salvation all you wish...it just won't fly !

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66 -Sorry, but you fail reading 101 again. Yes, there is an order but that verse isn't discussing eternal salvation, it is discussing salvation from temporal judgement. So, 'godly sorrow' has nothing to do with eternal salvation.It has to do with seeing one's sins as God sees them and confessing them. ICor.7 is referring to believers not unbelievers. I didn't say you said 'sorrow is repentence' but that is what you are reasoning, that sorrow is part of repentence-it isn't.

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf123 =

Have it your way, boss. It's apparent you're fixed in what you believe about repentance, and not interested in hearing anything to the contrary. I forgive you now for your error, just as you will seek the forgiveness of the Saviour (at least you know how to properly spell it!) at the Judgment Seat for your complete misinterpretation of his Word. I just hope you don't apply your own "creative" interpretation to other key verses relating to salvation...it could be very dangerous!

[edwardpf123]

@tigerlilly66-It isn't my way, it is God's way. God isn't concerned with how you feel about your sins and that is why He never makes it a requirement for salvation. He is only concerned with you believing IN His Son for salvation. Repentence is simply a change of mind, from not believing in Christ to believing in Him. There is nothing about one's personal sins involved. Personal sins become an issue in the individual's life AFTER he is saved, not before. As an unbeliever he is dead in Adam.

[soulwinningministry]

@tigerlilly66 Wrong they did not repent of their sins, they repented of their unbelief.

[tigerlilly66]

@soulwinningministry = I only hope that no unbelievers have been reading our verbal jousting, as they will no doubt be convinced we're both NUTS! I'll say to you what I said to edwardpf...since we both are not about to modify our viewpoints, let's call a halt to things. I know that sorrow for sins and repentance are NOT works, but merely part of the whole salvation process. To say that unbelief must be repented of, but that it's just fine to hang onto "garden-variety sins is an insult to God!

[tigerlilly66]

Per Wikipedia..."Repentance is a theological term that describes a stage in salvation where the believer turns away from sin. Some traditions arguing it occurs prior to faith, while other argue it occurs after faith. In the OT, the term 'repentance' comes from the Hebrew word group that means 'turn away from.' Sometimes this word group is employed to request a turning from sin. In the New Testament the metanoeo word group means remorse, but is also translated as a turning away FROM sin TO God"

[tigerlilly66]

@edwardpf & soulwinning ministry - I hate to cite a worldly source, one that makes no pretense of belief in salvation by grace through faith, but isn't it interesting that Wikipedia understands it better than do 2 men who I believe are genuinely saved! Why? because Wikipedia hasn't an agenda to push. What a pity. Give up the word-games and language-gymnastics and just believe the Book! God said what he meant about the role of repentance, and means what he said, and a 3rd grader can grasp it!

[revholland1]

@edwardpf123 ....I Thess. 1v9 '...how ye TURNED to GOD FROM IDOLS (sin) to serve the living & true God.' What's your uptake on that? To leave it as you seem to do implies 'easy believism.' The USA, and others who have followed, is full of people who think they're on the way to heaven because they've said the 'sinners prayer' or walked the aisle. There's no change of life. One is not adding to salvation by faith alone to say one must repent from sin. Repentance too is a gift from God.

[edwardpf123]

@revholland1 -The turning away from idols showed that they were saved, it was not a requirment to be saved.

Now, if you have seen my videos I am against 'sinner's prayers and walking aisles' since they aren't Biblical either. But neither is making repentence from sins part of the Gospel. It is confusing sanctification. There are many people have 'repented of their sins' and aren't saved either since they focused on the wrong thing, their sins instead of Christ.

[SilentPrayingmanTis]

Kent hovind did alot and im sure he saved many souls. He did a Lot of traveling around colage camposes infutrating them in way Christians just dont do today, NO man is 100% correct or 100% right on anything only God is. Its time we stop fighting agaisnt stuppid issues like this and go after the big dogs like Mr.Hovind Was doing. all you are doing , well is nothing as far as im concernd abd just another reason to think we ARe in the last days. Good with waht ever your doing sir

[faithaloneromero]

@SilentPrayingmanTis "stupid issue" like salvation? your an idiot

[faithaloneromero]

@SilentPrayingmanTis "stupid issue" like salvation? your a fool. someone could be right aboutr everythimg else and still go to hell. defending creation does not make someone saved.

[SilentPrayingmanTis]

@faithaloneromero thank you for those kind words. God bless.

[TheAmazingBeliever]

@BelieveandtrustJesus Would you listen at what you are saying? Repent doesn't mean to turn from sin, that is the devil's definition? Okay, so the devil now wants us to turn from sin? If Satan wanted to corrupt the word, he would make it mean something less from feeling sorry, not more. It is true that God repented, I agree. However, there is something in the english language where some words mean more than one thing.

[DarthMambo]

I don't think it's very productive for you to just post videos you disagree with and say they're wrong. In your "Salvation is by faith alone" video there were many good objections raised and clarifications asked for. I would suggest that if you want to change anyone's mind on this it would be profitable to respond directly to those questions and objections.

[TheAmazingBeliever]

You didn't include all of what Dr. Hovind says here. That is partial quoting. Kent is right in what he is saying. Trusting Christ is not just a decision. It's not repeating some prayer or reciting some creed. It is a heart and mind change towards God. (aka repenting) In the Gospel of Matthew and Mark both record Jesus's first teaching being to repent.