Is The Cross Necessary? Greg Says NO, (FreedomMountain)

[Scottles293]

Hey 1689 Baptist, would you be able to recommend any good material on covenant theology?

[HumbleFaith777]

Sadly the dispensational scheme of interpreting prophecy chops the Bible up into little pieces. They then feel free to discard the portions they feel don't pertain to them. Some of them even say that nothing Jesus said is for us today because He said these things under the law. That is unfortunate. Does this person not realize that everything that happens is foreordained by God? Jesus came to die for His sheep. He sounds very confused. Good video.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Ed, I wouldn't delete this comment on another video, I am deleting it here b/c YOU refuse to tell how I lie in this video after you accuse me of it.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Comment deleted, and I will keep deleting them until you tell me what I lie about in THIS video.

[prairiemark]

Christs death was Gods plan from ages past.

[gregsanidiot]

you know some of these people who comment on your post. really don't have a clue they quote scripture like Titus 3:10 and then don't take their own advice when it comes to doing the same! I guess its more about their ego and winning with them than it is to adhere to scripture. This video is another indication of how dense Greg is thanks for the laughs!!

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Ed, you can make this comment on another one of my videos but this one is gone, b/c you refuse to give me an answer.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Comment gone! You still did not tell me how I lied on THIS video. And just for that, I will not allow you to post any more on this video until you tell me. So the next post you make on this video better be what you call a lie I make in this video, or I will delete it.

Chicken!

[JesusforLife2]

As a mid-acts dispensationalist, Greg is wrong. The cross was planned. There is no hypothetical "what if the Jews accepted Jesus".

[GospelPerverter]

@JesusforLife2 That is because that very dangerous man, Greg, is making up his doctrine as he goes along.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Ed, that is usually after we have debated for awhile when I say thing like that to you. Now why are you afraid to tell me what you think I lie about in this video? Is it you are afraid you will be exposed as a liar b/c you really didn't watch the video and have no idea if I lied or not?

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns I left all the comments on the other video, I removed them on this video b/c I want you to tell me where I lie in this video, don't come over here with generalities, TELL me where I lie. The comments I removed had nothing to do with this video.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Ok comments gone, you can post when you decide to tell me how I lie in this video.

[zacqt]

Good vid Jeff. This is the danger when people refuse "the whole counsel of God". If some of the HD crew began to study the whole book not just selected bits of Paul's writings they would begin to grasp the greater truths. Jude v3&4 is a warning about "grace only-ist", fact is salvation comes by faith & grace-not just grace alone. If grace is sought & received it always & without exception produces fruit, if not its dead faith & dead faith means no grace. Anti-works proponents read Matt ch25.

[1689Baptist]

@ele12957returns Please explain what I lie about in this video?

[Haukman66]

Good video Jeff. God bless.

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

The cross is not 'necessary' for supralapsarian calvinism either. Election is.

[redwine65]

it's all for the glory of God, there is a lamb slain before the foundation of the world, there was a tree of life in the garden,before adam fell..

it was all absolutely predestined to take place according to God's decree/will.. John 3:16 means John 3:16 :)

[Afrikitty]

Jeff, if you think this teaching of Greg's is bad, wait till you hear his teaching which says that the saints AFTER the rapture...LOL.... will not be saved by the cross, by faith or anything else those who are under the "Dispensation of the Grace of God" today are saved by. Those saints will have to endure to the end and will be saved SOLELY by their works.

I also see that in the channel comment you posted in this video, he is trying to deny what he teaches. That is EXACTLY what he teaches!

[RedBeetle]

Lordship Salvation proponent ProclaimHisWord (Mark Sennett) has publicly renounced Calvinism. Jordan Woods (TheWoodsOfJordan) also did this.

Sennett, at least at one time, attended John MacArthur's church. Dr. John Robbins pointed out that MacArthur's "The Gospel According To Jesus" also implied the crucifixion would not have been necessary if the Jews would have accepted Christ! This sounds similar to FreedomMountain. MacArthur is the chief leader of the heresy of Lordship Salvation.

[1689Baptist]

@RedBeetle This heresy comes from dispensationalism not Lordship Salvation.

[1689Baptist]

@RedBeetle Hey Monty, why don't you take care of the guy, "TennesseeOwnsMyBones"? He left this comment, "The cross is not 'necessary' for supralapsarian calvinism either. Election is" Common Monty, do some real good and put this guy in his place.

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@1689Baptist I want you to put me in my place.

[GospelPerverter]

@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Aaaaaaahahahahahahahahhhaaaaaa

Now, I've heard it all!

I'm a-gonna tell that man in the video, the one sitting down, he'd better be careful!

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@GospelPerverter Please answer this: can the elect, for whatever reason, become non-elect?

[GospelPerverter]

@TennesseeOwnsMyBones NO!

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@GospelPerverter Then what is the point of perseverence?

[1689Baptist]

@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Persevere is what the elect do, those that do not persevere are not the elect. You do not persevere to become the elect, nor do you persevere to remain the elect. We persevere b/c we ARE the elect. Does a dog bark to become a dog, or to remain a dog? Or does a dog bark B/C he is a dog?

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@1689Baptist That still makes no sense. If one's election is solid, unchangeable and eternal, perseverence is dead wood. If memory serves me right, one of the calvinist main beliefs is that one can never lose his salvation. Salvation being a result of election. Ergo, whatever humans do pertaining to election, is completely irrelevant

[1689Baptist]

@TennesseeOwnsMyBones It makes perfect sense when you understand God has decrees the means as well as the end. Example, God has decreed that I will go to China, and He has also decreed that I get on a plane to do so. By your definition b/c God has decreed that I go to China the means of me getting there is irrelevant, when the means of me getting there is just as important or I could get there.

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@1689Baptist That is still irrelevant. It is not HOW you will get there, it is THAT you will get there, for it has been decreed. And that means, logically, that you taking a plane instead of a boat or whatnaught, is all part of that decree, as EVERYTHING is predestined by your god, right? Anyway: if God has decreed you to go to China, you WILL be in China. The means of transportation is indeed irrelevant, as that has been decreed as well. It is not your own choice.

[1689Baptist]

@TennesseeOwnsMyBones Did I not say the means to get to China was also decreed, so why are you arguing this point as if I said otherwise? But the MEANS are not irrelevant, b/c without the MEANS the END does not exist.

[TennesseeOwnsMyBones]

@1689Baptist That choice has been made for you. Nothing you do happens without God having so ordained it. Therefore, saying one must 'persevere' in his faith is wholly incongruous with Calvinism. Perseverence means action. Human action. The will to persevere. It has, however no influence on either election or reprobation. Furthermore, to compare something material, like a plane, with the immaterial, the human soul and nature, which according to you is totally depraved, does not ad up.

[BaptistPrayer]

Lord have mercy! Jesus is referred to as "Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. " (Rev. 13:8) Excellent video.

[aveyowyns]

"I believe that Adam sinned so that there could be a cross the glory of the cross is the reason for everything."

Do you suppose that when God declared he would make man in his own image, that that 'job' INCLUDED the work of the cross?