A nice piece of science fiction, I was told this and I was told that
Why don't they allow a scientific research there..
If it was not for this Pathetic myth of the Holocaust there would have never been a moral execuse to exterminate the Palestinians and take over there homeland
Actually, scientific research has been conducted at Auschwitz. The findings confirmed that gassings took place there. Mere denials and irrelevant, unsubstantiated analogies with the Palestinian issue won't change the fact that the Holocaust took place.
@Tanblondalex I am SICK of hearing about Israel being blamed for the Palestinians' problems. MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people were left destitute and homeless in 1945 throughout Europe, Britain, Japan - in fact throughout the ENTIRE f***king world. They have ALL rebuilt their lives. The Palestinians have their ARAB brothers to blame; because they have INSISTED they and their descendants remain 'refugees' until Israel is destroyed.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese soldiers & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japanese govt.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries? Who are actually jews...and what's the difference between a white and a jew, I've seen pictures Einstein (who is sometimes called a jew) he looks white...are jews a religious community or a ethnic group...i've read in wikipedia bout them but nowhere its written they ain't white. Its Dilemma really.
"One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries?"
You can blame the writers of the Bible for that one. Blaming Jews for the death of Jesus doesn't exactly make Jews very popular in a land where Christianity in its various guises has ruled with an iron fist for nearly 2000 years.
"One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries?"
Hypocrisy, greed, envy, jealousy, prejudice....
We forget that where we cannot bring paradigms into play which rely on a person's colour, we then use class, status and faith as our guides to how we should act and proceed. Badges, titles and terms are human inventions and yet when we remove them, we all simply become...people.
It is because the greatest threats we see are eachother.
"The Allies were interested in attacking the Nazi's that had the ability to attack them that's how you win a war. Not by wasting bombs and planes."
Wrong.
14 Feb 1942 British command orders commanders of aviation to attack residential areas in certain industrial cities as a "high priority" the objective being solely to bomb working class districts in 58 German towns with a population of more than 100,000 inhabitants each.
This new style of bombing created by the jew Lindermann
The Blitz (Sept 1940 - May 1941). Central London was bombed for 76 nights. Built up areas across the UK followed as the nazis bombed railway stations, gas works, lemonade factories (North Shields) and fishing ports.. More than 1 million London houses were destroyed and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, half of them in London.
Hague conventions covered aerial treaties up to 1907 and while the LON may have seen ratified rulings on aerial bombing, Germany left in 1933.
there were no gas chambers for people, the biggest lie of the second world war. Sciences has been refuted, with rock samples and alot more. a Jew himself has refuted it ... who believes in gas chambers believes in Santa Claus too
"14 Feb 1942 British command orders commanders of aviation to attack residential areas in certain industrial cities as a "high priority" the objective being solely to bomb working class districts in 58 German towns with a population of more than 100,000 inhabitants each."
Ain't war hell.
So...as I said earlier, which ratified treaty made this a war crime?
Its just that I know how much you like questions to be answered...as long as they are only yours. Or so it seems.
What you people are saying is sick. It's not their fault Hitler is the biggest asshole. He will burn in hell with the rest of Nazi's. The Jews were innocent and all of them were killed. There are still survivors of the Holocaust and they have proof.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets when they became ill.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japan.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
I am moved to tears by this mans loss.But I still think the allies did the right thing.Yes they could have bombed auchwitz putting it out of action for a short while but the germans were very resoursful and would have found another way of killing theese people.The best way was to keep attacking the german factories while we had the help of the russians.Or we might have lost the war.
@rchrdbgi8 That's right. The Allies were interested in winning the war which they did, and closed the Nazi death camps. What the Allies did or didn't know about the camps wasn't nearly as important as winning the war and they knew it. There were over 1000 camps, the Allies were already bombing the rail lines daily. The Allies were interested in attacking the Nazi's that had the ability to attack them, that's how you win a war. Not by wasting bombs and planes.
Revisionists have a right to make their case however they choose, but it's the revisionists who've been caught lying. Survivors also have lied. But then, so have politicians, D-Day vets, police officers, doctors and lawyers, if they felt it was worth the risk in order to gain cash, status or a vicarious aura of heroism.
Scholars and the courts arrive at their conclusions through an agreement of facts and peer reviewed study. In such cases collective lies are impossible.
Revisionists proved the gas chamber hoax but nobody listens to them because they're apparently racist along with anyone else who questions ANYTHING about the holocaust.
You actually mean "deniers". Cos, you see...deniers haven't actually revised anything. They haven't brought anything new to the debate. They don't prove to us what happened to all those Jews if they didn't die in the gas chambers.
65 years later and no viable altrnative.
Real revisionists would have given us one that has better proof or explanation than the original.
@deconneurnot Haha, really? We have argued over and over how the Jewish people actually died from disease and starvation towards the end of the war due to a lack of supplies. That's why all the bodies in the photos used as evidence are completely emaciated and none have any fat on them. As for the gas chambers, watch David Cole's video (who is Jewish). He basically proves how it's impossible. If you don't want to do that I'll post the entire argument.
@deconneurnot To your first post: Yeah I completely agree Jews were sent to German work camps in Poland but that was to produce needed materials for the war effort. People who experienced the Holocaust are being taken into consideration in my studies. But many of their stories are most likely rumors that they believed to be reality. Such as the human skin lampshades or human fat soap. Both have been proven untrue, but many Jews still claim to have seen them.
"Yeah I completely agree Jews were sent to German work camps in Poland"
The AR camps were not big enough to swing a cat in, and yet according to you, around 2-3 million Jews lived in them between 1942 and 1943. So how did they manage to live there and what happened to them after 1943 when the camps were shut down and removed. Auschwitz was never big enough to cater for 1 million Jews, so where did THEY live between 1943 and 1944?
"But many of their stories are most likely rumors that they believed to be reality"
So you include the eyewitness testimony of SS and non Jewish eyewitnesses as well? You will of course not accept Jewish eyewitnesses at all..unless they are called David Cole, of course.
Soap and lampshades bullshit is only ever mentioned by...deniers. Nobody else prattles on about it like you guys. You want proof...try a Google search and see what you get.
@deconneurnot So basically in your comments to me you never actually made any progress. You still never addressed how Mr. Cole's gas chamber argument was incorrect. You made no solid arguments other than that Jews were in camps, which no revisionist disagrees with.
"You still never addressed how Mr. Cole's gas chamber argument was incorrect."
You never told me what his "argument" was, denier boy. I'm still waiting.
"And how do you argue that they did die then?"
2-3 million in the AR camps, nearly 1 million in Auschwitz, around 2.7 million in the USSR...and that isn't my opinion, denier boy. It is what actual historians of the period accept according to a wide variety of research throughout a variety of countries.
"He states that it is claimed 6 million were gassed!".
Worse than that, Dec, much worse: he says it is "six million Jews and...five million non-Jews...through the use of homicidal gas chambers". He actually thinks it's ELEVEN million!
To his credit, though, he does go on to say " there are some people who maintain that these claims of mass-murder have never been proven".
@deconneurnot Or you can completely ignore what I'm saying just like anyone else I ever try to make this point with. You also have the option of calling me anti-Semitic and racist to dismiss what I'm saying. That's what I typically get even though I'm not a Nazi.
@deconneurnot Also to say us revisionists have offered no proof is completely outrageous. We're always putting arguments out there that just get ignored because they're "offensive". You're obviously just getting us mixed up with neo Nazi skinheads that just hate Jews. We don't hate Jews, we simply want the truth to come out.
"Also to say us revisionists have offered no proof is completely outrageous."
So what proof of an alternative have you actually provided? We know the transports went out east to Auschwitz and the AR camps. THAT is well documented. So where did they go from there if they were not murdered and cremated? At least 4 million Jews wandering around a fuckin' war zone!!!??
Jeeezzzzzz....how many times have I heard THAT one!!?? Well off you go then and tinker with the Stalin Purges and killing fields of Cambodia, because the proof for these events is no better than that for the Holocaust.
When are you going to start? or is it just Jews you have a "thing" for?
@deconneurnot To your third post: Why are you adding this to the argument? They have nothing to do with the current debate. I honestly have not studied those events enough to forge a argument on them.
Quite simply, because you say you have nothing against Jews, but you wouldn't dream of studying any other 20th Century mass murder. Why don't you believe the Holocaust took place? If you make the comparison, as you refuse to do, we see that the evidence of other mass murders is no better than that for the Holocaust.
Why should the Holocaust be treated any differently?
@deconneurnot I have developed interest in the Holocaust because of many reasons. Mainly because it's so involved still with politics today. Especially Israel. The laws against holocaust denial in other countries. That's why. I would love to learn about other things later, but right now I'm focusing on the Holocaust because it interests me.
"Also you still have not addressed Mr. Cole's evidence in the Auschwitz gas chambers."
What evidence? Chop, chop...I can't wait all night.
"Now you're just trying to discredit sources you are not even aware of."
Listen denier boy..I have been fighting you guys for years. I know more denier crap than you will ever know. I also have a stack of books by real historians.
Now you want to tell us what Cole says or not. I'm not a mind reader.
Sorry pal, but I am skyping relatives in 10 minutes. Your time limit has just run out. If you want to post the Cole BS please do...I'll take great delight in debunking it tomorrow.
@deconneurnot Hahaha, am I struggling? That's the most pathetic thing I've heard in this entire debate. Either you're trolling or you seriously lack common sense. You still have yet to prove Cole wrong. You can't simply prove his extensive research and unbiased information wrong by calling it "BS"
You have yet to make a single solid argument supporting the reality of any gas chambers.
""You have yet to make a single solid argument supporting the reality of any gas chambers."
What? The fact that both Jewish and non Jewish eyewitnesses attest to the fact that the gas chambers murdered around 1 million at Auschwitz alone? Or maybe that even after 60+ years there are still traces of HCN found in all areas known to have served as HGCs..and nowhere else except delousing chambers?
@deconneurnot Umm, actually no significant traces of Zyklon B were found at the Auschwitz gas chambers. Check Frederick Leuchter's results from his tests he conducted in 1988. Also since holocaust revisionism and denial is illegal in many European countries, not many are able to speak out without having their careers destroyed and receiving jail time. And thanks, I would be very happy to be playing with my guns right now. Unfortunately ammo is far too expensive.
"actually no significant traces of Zyklon B were found at the Auschwitz gas chambers."
ACTUALLY, the fact that traces were found at all is the issue here...because traces were actually found NOWHERE else in the camp except, for the delousing chambers. So perhaps you might like to tell us HOW those traces got there in the first place?
Leuchter is a fraud, boy. No denier uses him these days. They prefer Rudolf. Keep up!
"Also since holocaust revisionism and denial is illegal in many European countries"
You yanks...You have no idea about how the denial laws work do you. It is not an offence to deny the Holocaust, or revise it (real revisionism happens all the time). It is ONLY an offense to use denial to attack publically minority groups such as Jews and gypsies. The laws mainly occur in countries that suffered Nazi occupation and where neoNazism is NOT wanted back for some reason!
@deconneurnot Haha what? The fact that the traces of the gas were found in the delousing chambers isn't significant at all. That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc. It actually proves another thing, that the Germans in the camp were actually concerned of the inmates' health.
"The fact that the traces of the gas were found in the delousing chambers isn't significant at all. That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc"
Where in Birkenau were the delousing chambers, then?
If you could find two such mirror image facilities attached to kremas at the far end of the site with some kind of published confirmation, you would say, wouldn't you?
" That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc"
So the buildings known to be HGCs were nothing more than delousing chambers for clothes. You are on your own on that one denier boy, cos not even the main deniers claim THAT one. Still...I have no doubt you will be able to provide just one piece of evidence to prove that assertion?
Makes you wonder why the Nazis destroyed THOSE in 1945, and not the other delousing chambers.
@deconneurnot Whoa there, I didn't say the "human gas chambers" in Auschwitz were the same building as delousing chambers. Those are two different buildings. That I assure you I'm not alone on, believe-everything-I'm-told boy.
@deconneurnot That's why prisoners were asked to remove their clothing, so they could either be cleansed or replaced by clothing provided by the camp (which also explains the massive piles of shoes). Prisoners were also shaved to combat the lice infestation within the camp systems.
@deconneurnot Also the gas canisters they said were to have served murderous purposes were found at EVERY other camp in similar amounts. Even ones that were not said to have had gas chambers. Proving that the gas was used for helping prisoners, not killing them. If the Germans wanted them to die, why take all of this effort helping them? It really makes no sense.
"gas canisters they said were to have served murderous purposes were found at EVERY other camp in similar amounts."
This is interesting.
This rather flawed logic seems to suggest that similar quantities went to camps for treating the same numbers of inmates by a proportional representation of Z-b volume to inmate numbers. You see where this crashes and burns straight away, don't you? But do give us some examples. I mean you do say you have EVERY camp to work from...?
@timpovikings Perhaps I should have been more specific with this, yes camps with larger populations would have more supply needs than a smaller one and therefore would have more canisters. Cans of Zyklon B were found at both camps claimed to having gas chambers and camps that they now say didn't. This proves that the gas wasn't used only for purposes of mass murder and therefore cannot be used as hard evidence.
@deconneurnot I didn't just suddenly decide one day that I'm going to have revisionist views towards the holocaust. I've been studying the holocaust for some time now. My understanding of the event continues to change as I learn more. I'm listening to your arguments and taking them into consideration, but I don't feel like you're doing the same. If you can seriously put up a serious points they could change my opinion. I'm not that stubborn. So lets be respectful.
@timpovikings Okay, now you're just messing with what I was saying. I said I should've been more specific and that my first comment regarding the amounts of gas canisters wasn't explained well and I made it clear with my second statement. They had the same amounts based on population.
@timpovikings Also you and your buddy feel like the good guys in this argument. But really all you have done is dodged certain questions and insulted me.. Basically the point I'm getting to is, you're wrong and fuck you. I'm done.
@deconneurnot Your accusation of me not viewing your side of the argument is false. I at one point was a complete supporter of the holocaust. I changed my view because I was willing to view opposing arguments and I found them to be stronger. Also to your 1st post, The "HGC" building is connected to the crematorium in Auschwitz. No one claims that the delousing facility was ever used as a "HGC".
"I changed my view because I was willing to view opposing arguments and I found them to be stronger."
Please give an illustration of this concept.
As you now suggest three generations of study and agreement are displaced by some element of revisionist research you have yet to disclose, it may be interesting to see what you have read in the mainstream history of Holocaust - and what you feel is a stronger opposing case.
@timpovikings Ok, I'm just going to close the argument with this. We're obviously not going to agree on anything. It's pointless to argue if there's not going to be an outcome. However, I do not want this opportunity to pass without taking the time to explain my reasoning for making these arguments. I truly believe in my argument, but I'm human. I could be wrong. You could too. My main point is, I think I am asking questions worthy of answers. Have I not asked some good questions?
Cole did nothing because he was threatened. The chronology of his period making videos, his disappearance - and THEN the Rubin statement are simply all wrong. Cole had been silent for too long before the alleged threats. Cole also made some fundamental errors, but believed HCN gassing HAD taken place - and said so.
70 years on, all the 'good questions' have been asked and answered. What you have to remember is, conspiracy theorists work theoretically, academics work in facts.
The Holocaust, the death camps, gas chambers and the study of these elements of history, are not a series of esoteric disciplines with secrets known only to the inner ring of some anonymous magic circle. All the facts are there to be scrutinised and where gaps exist, cleverer people than I am agree a likely course of converging events.
All the evidence - not some - indicates that millions were purposely murdered by gas and various other sinister and illegal methods. Fact.
Indeed you have...but they could have been easily answered if you had looked for the answers in correct sources. It is only when you look EXACTLY at what historians really write, and not at what deniers claim they write that the denier case becomes obviously flawed. I have lost count of the number of times deniers have quoted out of context or misquoted to give an impression that was never intended.
"Your accusation of me not viewing your side of the argument is false."
So yet again...which of the academic works on the Holocaust have you actually studied? Surely if you find the opposing arguments stronger, you must have something to compare those arguments to.
I personally am willing to bet you have not read anything that does not come from the Internet and does not come from denier websites.
@deconneurnot Yes, most of my arguments do come from the internet. But my sources provide evidence behind their information. I don't blindly read something and believe it to be reality.
I'm curious as to why you'd base your stance about the Holocaust on "studies" done by Leuchter (unmasked as a pseudo-scientific fraud) and David Cole (a high-school dropout who had done no historical research, and who has at least recanted his Holocaust denial since 1994)?
@deconneurnot To your 2nd post: They lived in the barracks. Auschwitz even had a inmate band and pool. But you never hear about that. Auschwitz was not even close to the front until 1945, so it was not much of a "war zone". And since you ignored the portion of Mr. Cole's video about the gas chamber you don't realize that they couldn't have been killed by gassing their own photographs even show the inmates obviously died of starvation and disease.
They lived in the barracks? HOW!? You seen how big Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec were? Auschwitz was never built to contain over 1 million people. You can't prove it was.
"show the inmates obviously died of starvation and disease."
There are NO photos of inmates at Auschwitz dying of disease.
ok people this is 2011. whatever you think of the jews, to deny the holocaust today you gotta be either uneducated or plain stupid. do not ask me for proofs, they are all over the place. anybody with a little brains knows it did happened.
@MSM4U2POM I'd say it's the other way round. It is so very easy to adjust to the massmedias set mindset and say that it happened and that 6 million people were killed there during 2 years (which is impossible and there should've been masses of people shown in the air surveillance photos 24/7).
It requires you to think more if you deny it. We actually reason it, you dont.
And I wonder how you can think it is true, when the NWO are taking over atm.. RFID chips installed to people etc..
"And I wonder how you can think it is true, when the NWO are taking over atm.. RFID chips installed to people etc..".
Coming from a bloke who can make THAT statement and still keep a straight face, I'm not inclined to argue. Instead, I greet you with the same deference as I always do to the terminally afflicted.
@MSM4U2POM Oh you played that card. Well we cant argue about this case. Its simple, you believe that everything is black 'n white, I dont.
Our minds are set in small boxes. If one starts to think, that theres something wrong, that this all what we are told isnt everything whats going on, others blame him for being a conspiracy lunatic.
If someone questions our 'leaders' intention and motives, he is being looked down and insulted. This is just what the elite wants us to act like.
@MSM4U2POM Btw, have you watched news? The RFID chips are already reality. Those have already been planted to our credit cards and to some passports. Also, in USA their government are chipping people already. Right know, it is voluntarely, but in the future, it becomes a mandatory...
All this what I just said is real. You can read from the papers and everywhere.
Of course I do listen to media, but I DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT ME TO KNOW. They said they're starting to plant those chips to volunteers, so it supports my theory..
"The jew massod[sic] put a price on David Cole's head." ROFL: another Holocaust denier claimed it was another entity that did it. It's ironic, since deniers dismiss eyewitnesses to the Holocaust, as well as historians, for "inconsistencies," yet the deniers constantly contradict each other.
"You are either a filthy jew or a ignorant white puppet of the jews." LMAO
Obviously, you're not acquainted with the history of the gas chamber building involved, are you?
FYI: David Cole has repudiated his former Holocaust denial since 1994. Typical of Holocaust deniers to base their silliness on incomplete, outdated, and downright false "arguments."
@Tremleypnt10 spew your hate and lies , it will never take away from the FACT the Holocaust existed and was committed by people who had nothing but hate and jealousy in their heart , so much so they committed unspeakable crimes against Jews and anyone else they chose to live or die. Long Live Israel
@timpovikings haha, so called "expert" such as timpov cant produce pics of video clips of those mass graves because of a so called NDA, yet the same NDA lets him loan it out to other people? HAHAHAHA!!!!
I can produce O'Neil's entire survey (the one you've never read), his video diary and his photo files. They satisfied his peers, YV and the Belzec memorial.
I'll let him know that while you've never seen them, they don't satisfy you.
Im so sorry for all who lost their family, friends and human beings.. The unbelievable horror that took place can not be related to anyone who wasnt there.. But know for sure the holocaust happened...inconceivable that humans can possess such evil to commit the horrid crimes of the holocaust.
@timpovikings Oh please Timpo, if he found any kind of mass graves, he would have taken pictures and videos of the event and posted it along with all his other pictures of the junk that he found! Finding one or two bodies does not prove that there were mass graves! This is pathetic Timpo! Yea, like I am going to just hand over my information after knowing what has happened to all the other revisionists out there!
"Finding one or two bodies does not prove that there were mass graves!"
Awesome logic.
Academic research is not constituted in excavating AR camps in an attempt to piece together ash fragments in order to satisfy idiots who have to see every last human remain accounted for. If you can't find fault with the studies, based on the principles of scholarly research and the tenets of historical recording which satisfy the broad academic consensus, then live with them.
FYI: -tragic that esteemed chancellor St.Hitler was defeated by victorious albeit horridly warmongering evil Rothschild/Rockefeller et'al jewZionist Bank'ster-mafia that today rules the world, -controlling the News-media presenting grotesquely distorted views of the freedom-loving Nazi-movement to liberate world from jewTyranny; --truthseekers are exposing HoloHoax-lies, -revealing NO Jews were intentionally killed in the Safe-encampments, -it was noble Germans that were nearly exterminated.!!!
And "the angel of death" Joseph Mangela was not hung or prosecuted, but rather took a "free out of the jail card", working as a scientist in USA, along with all the Gestapo Generals who founded and worked 4 CIA. USA was then a Zionist Controlled nation (Eisenhower was a JEW). The whole Holocaust was not to kill the Jews, but rather to scare the hell out of them so they can be manipulated by their synagogues to push the 2 migrate to Palestine. Jews did not want to go there.
The word -Holocaust- is Yiddish (Jewish) and it means -Burnt Offering-. Jews burn innocent children they kidnap & viciously murder, as a burnt offering to their Babylonian Idol: Moloch (a Satanic habit from Babylonians and they call it Mysticism, Ritual, Child Sacrifice). Watch the video called -Jewish Ritual Murder 2-.
I'm surprised why Jews don't learn and don't fuck with nations they host them. They are doing the same thing to USA ECONOMY & the REAL Holocaust is coming this time from USA.
@grozde Actually its just a logical guess on whaf happened. His name wuz on a list to to to the gas chamners in Aushwitz-II/Birkaneau. We found thag out when my father got a letter from the Romani gov.
@KonradAdenauerJr Really? Did I ask for the existence of the so called gas chambers? Or did I ask for the list that supposedly that your family got that showed he was selected for the GC?
If you look at the initial message, you'll see that it wasn't me who made the claim about the list. My point is simple: the gas chambers were real, not "so called."
@KonradAdenauerJr OK, gas chambers it is. The times cited are impossible due to zyklon b would still out gas well pass 3 hours, (24 hours actually), and it would be harmful if they tried to open up the chamber in an hour to remove the bodies. On top of that, it is impossible to cremate bodies in 30 minutes as claimed. Ask any cremation expert and they will tell you that.
Wrong again. Richard Green's expert report looking at the properties of Z-B in gas chamber evidence, agrees with Mattogno Rudolf data; that the ventilation arrangements displacing whole air volumes, actually comply almost exactly with current safety guidelines on CN gas.
The gas chambers were adequately ventilated. They must have been. Germans - and others - were using high ppm concentrations to delouse warehouses and ship holds, which tend to have only natural venting.
@timpovikings Again timpov, you ignore the refutation that Rudolph has made about Green. Zyklon b just does not stop outgassing because ventilation is turned on. It would still be releasing it's load well pass the time that is cited. And no, cyanide is not a surface reaction only, it would still absorb into the walls.
!? Rudolf has yet to refute any qualified chemist.
I say again.
Zyklon-B was safely used in high concentrations in warehouses, ships, rolling stock and cellars, which are rarely well ventilated by anything other than natural methods. The manufacturers own guidlelines specified basic safety precautions and gas masks which the SK did have.
If you can delouse with it safely, you can kill with it.
@timpovikings You mean like Dr Roth with his "cyanide is a surface reaction only"? hahaha!!! And again, if you would have read all of the reports that Rudolph has put out, you will find his refutations there. I cannot be a librarian, and I cannot read it for you. Go look for them my dear friend!
And did they mention any of the 2000 Jews standing outside waiting to be gassed? And also, do not forget that Prufer even stated that 1 body could be cremated per hour per muffle. lol
@KonradAdenauerJr
But just in your "Gas chamber believing world" and if you ingnoriert the science facts form a lot revisionists. like Robert Faurisson, Germa Rudolf,
David Erving, David Cole (jew)
be happy with your gas chamber religion, you need not answer because I do not discuss with blind religious fanatics.
Helene1888 12 hours ago 2
A nice piece of science fiction, I was told this and I was told that
Why don't they allow a scientific research there..
If it was not for this Pathetic myth of the Holocaust there would have never been a moral execuse to exterminate the Palestinians and take over there homeland
Tanblondalex 6 days ago
@Tanblondalex
So you demand science to prove that it happened, yet you already decided it was a 'pathetic myth' without it.
About as bright as 3 in the morning, aren't you?
timpovikings 5 days ago 2
@Tanblondalex
Actually, scientific research has been conducted at Auschwitz. The findings confirmed that gassings took place there. Mere denials and irrelevant, unsubstantiated analogies with the Palestinian issue won't change the fact that the Holocaust took place.
KonradAdenauerJr 2 days ago
@Tanblondalex I am SICK of hearing about Israel being blamed for the Palestinians' problems. MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people were left destitute and homeless in 1945 throughout Europe, Britain, Japan - in fact throughout the ENTIRE f***king world. They have ALL rebuilt their lives. The Palestinians have their ARAB brothers to blame; because they have INSISTED they and their descendants remain 'refugees' until Israel is destroyed.
ritchloui 2 days ago
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Japanese were as evil as Nazis.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese soldiers & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japanese govt.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
KimInLosAngeles 1 week ago
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In all this game, the devil is losing and at the end will be accused of everything because GOD don’t want any rivals. Conclusion: live at the full in the freedom of GOD (praying in a right form, following the INSTRUCTIONS in the Bible - keeping the 10 commandments - including keeping the Saturday as the 7th day etc.) instead of in the incapacity and limited power of devil because he is just a temporary puppet. Jesus Christ is our savior and our hope!
diptdipt 2 weeks ago
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In at least ten European countries, you can go to prison for doubting the Holohoax!
In Germany, if you doubt that Soap was made of "Sacred Lard", you can go to prison for "Defaming the memory of the Suds".
In Austria, if you deny that Lampshades were made of "Holy Hide", you can get five years for "Household Appliance Denial".
To learn more about the Holocaust, visit:
CODOH (dot) com
VHO (dot) org
Nazi Gassings (dot) com
And the Truth will set the World free!
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One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries? Who are actually jews...and what's the difference between a white and a jew, I've seen pictures Einstein (who is sometimes called a jew) he looks white...are jews a religious community or a ethnic group...i've read in wikipedia bout them but nowhere its written they ain't white. Its Dilemma really.
quantumparanoia 2 weeks ago
@quantumparanoia its a religon and a people.
and as a people i mean like blacks or native americans
702Pierce 2 weeks ago
@quantumparanoia
"One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries?"
You can blame the writers of the Bible for that one. Blaming Jews for the death of Jesus doesn't exactly make Jews very popular in a land where Christianity in its various guises has ruled with an iron fist for nearly 2000 years.
deconneurnot 2 weeks ago
@quantumparanoia
"One point comes to me that why Jews are persecuted throughout the centuries?"
Hypocrisy, greed, envy, jealousy, prejudice....
We forget that where we cannot bring paradigms into play which rely on a person's colour, we then use class, status and faith as our guides to how we should act and proceed. Badges, titles and terms are human inventions and yet when we remove them, we all simply become...people.
It is because the greatest threats we see are eachother.
timpovikings 2 weeks ago
"The Allies were interested in attacking the Nazi's that had the ability to attack them that's how you win a war. Not by wasting bombs and planes."
Wrong.
14 Feb 1942 British command orders commanders of aviation to attack residential areas in certain industrial cities as a "high priority" the objective being solely to bomb working class districts in 58 German towns with a population of more than 100,000 inhabitants each.
This new style of bombing created by the jew Lindermann
Nice
avisionry 3 weeks ago
@avisionry
The Blitz (Sept 1940 - May 1941). Central London was bombed for 76 nights. Built up areas across the UK followed as the nazis bombed railway stations, gas works, lemonade factories (North Shields) and fishing ports.. More than 1 million London houses were destroyed and more than 40,000 civilians were killed, half of them in London.
Hague conventions covered aerial treaties up to 1907 and while the LON may have seen ratified rulings on aerial bombing, Germany left in 1933.
timpovikings 2 weeks ago
there were no gas chambers for people, the biggest lie of the second world war. Sciences has been refuted, with rock samples and alot more. a Jew himself has refuted it ... who believes in gas chambers believes in Santa Claus too
/watch?v=dRrP7AevKi4
Helene1888 1 day ago 3
@Helene1888
Actually, everything you wrote is factually incorrect.
KonradAdenauerJr 1 day ago
@avisionry
After Poland, Hitler made clear how he wanted to play the aerial civilian bombing war with the British.
So all we did was give him it back with interest.
Old Chinese proverb: If you're going to be a bear - be a grizzly.
timpovikings 2 weeks ago
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@avisionry
"14 Feb 1942 British command orders commanders of aviation to attack residential areas in certain industrial cities as a "high priority" the objective being solely to bomb working class districts in 58 German towns with a population of more than 100,000 inhabitants each."
Ain't war hell.
So...as I said earlier, which ratified treaty made this a war crime?
Its just that I know how much you like questions to be answered...as long as they are only yours. Or so it seems.
deconneurnot 2 weeks ago
What you people are saying is sick. It's not their fault Hitler is the biggest asshole. He will burn in hell with the rest of Nazi's. The Jews were innocent and all of them were killed. There are still survivors of the Holocaust and they have proof.
jennymurphy424 3 weeks ago
You have no proof mate.
phil123711 3 weeks ago
how do you get a job there?
dbbeertime 3 weeks ago
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In at least ten European Countries, you can go to prison for questionong the Holohoax.
In Germany, if you doubt that Soap was made of "Sacred Lard", you can go to prison for "Defaming the Memory of the Suds".
In Austria, if you deny that Lampshades were made of "Holy Hide", you can get five years for "Household Appliance Denial"!
To learn more about the Holocaust, visit:
CODOH (dot) com
VHO (dot) org
NAZI GASSINGS (dot) com
And the Truth will set the World free!
Sockpuppet2012 3 weeks ago
RINGO STAR KILLED 6 MILLION ITALIANS IN LONDON IN THE EARLY 60S AND YOU LET IT HAPPEN. THAT IS THE TRUTH, WHY WOULD I LIE?
235LBS 1 month ago
jews fuck their mother with all their lies. they are cowards with their fake victom stories
235LBS 1 month ago
@235LBS Ditto
wotan237 1 month ago
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Japanese were as evil as Nazis.
They abducted 200,000 Asians (& Caucasians), raped them up to 50 times a day & then buried them alive to save bullets when they became ill.
*Japanese govt won't apologize to any of the surviving sex slaves.
*It STILL sugercoats this by outrageously lying that the victims were whores who volunteered to service Japanese & received great treatment & even bigger salary than Japanese army generals from Japan.
GOOGLE: Jan Ruff O'Herne - Japanese military sex slave
KimInLosAngeles 1 month ago
I am moved to tears by this mans loss.But I still think the allies did the right thing.Yes they could have bombed auchwitz putting it out of action for a short while but the germans were very resoursful and would have found another way of killing theese people.The best way was to keep attacking the german factories while we had the help of the russians.Or we might have lost the war.
rchrdbgi8 1 month ago
@rchrdbgi8 That's right. The Allies were interested in winning the war which they did, and closed the Nazi death camps. What the Allies did or didn't know about the camps wasn't nearly as important as winning the war and they knew it. There were over 1000 camps, the Allies were already bombing the rail lines daily. The Allies were interested in attacking the Nazi's that had the ability to attack them, that's how you win a war. Not by wasting bombs and planes.
clintonearlwalker 3 weeks ago
Watch:- /watch?v=pF7Y7pAMtFk&feature=related
ViswanathM91 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
Revisionists have a right to make their case however they choose, but it's the revisionists who've been caught lying. Survivors also have lied. But then, so have politicians, D-Day vets, police officers, doctors and lawyers, if they felt it was worth the risk in order to gain cash, status or a vicarious aura of heroism.
Scholars and the courts arrive at their conclusions through an agreement of facts and peer reviewed study. In such cases collective lies are impossible.
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@NosferatuMala
"Let's look at the facts."
Oh..lets please do, cos yours are bullshit.
"The nazis in Germany were supposed to have killed 6 mil jews in 6 months in 1944."
WRONG!
...and it tends to go down hill from there.
"All this information is valid. Check it your selves. I dare you."
I have...and you still talk crap.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
That's very kind of you
doctorwinurmom 1 month ago
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@BRONCOWEN
"yes camps with larger populations would have more supply needs than a smaller one and therefore would have more canisters"
So that kind of trashes...
"gas canisters they said were to have served murderous purposes were found at EVERY other camp in similar amounts"
...doesn't it, fuckwit?
Where in Birkenau, in relation to the collapsed kremas in which CN residue was found after 50 years of exposure, are there delousing facilities?!
timpovikings 1 month ago
Revisionists proved the gas chamber hoax but nobody listens to them because they're apparently racist along with anyone else who questions ANYTHING about the holocaust.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Revisionists"
You actually mean "deniers". Cos, you see...deniers haven't actually revised anything. They haven't brought anything new to the debate. They don't prove to us what happened to all those Jews if they didn't die in the gas chambers.
65 years later and no viable altrnative.
Real revisionists would have given us one that has better proof or explanation than the original.
That's how REAL history works.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Haha, really? We have argued over and over how the Jewish people actually died from disease and starvation towards the end of the war due to a lack of supplies. That's why all the bodies in the photos used as evidence are completely emaciated and none have any fat on them. As for the gas chambers, watch David Cole's video (who is Jewish). He basically proves how it's impossible. If you don't want to do that I'll post the entire argument.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
" We have argued over and over how the Jewish people actually died from disease and starvation towards the end of the war due to a lack of supplies"
So 6 million Jews died in GERMAN concentration camps at the end of the war? Is that what you are trying to claim?
So...your proof for this is?
"David Cole's video (who is Jewish)."
Well I never, so he is (Doh!). Its good that you accept testimony from Jews though. Or do you?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"watch David Cole's video (who is Jewish). He basically proves how it's impossible."
Shit! David Cole (YAWN..."a Jew") can't even get the established numbers of Jews gassed correct!!!
He states that it is claimed 6 million were gassed! Tosser. There weren't!
"If you don't want to do that I'll post the entire argument"
...and I'll shoot you down in flames denier boy. I don't get MY facts from YOUTUBE.
Over and out
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot To your first post: Yeah I completely agree Jews were sent to German work camps in Poland but that was to produce needed materials for the war effort. People who experienced the Holocaust are being taken into consideration in my studies. But many of their stories are most likely rumors that they believed to be reality. Such as the human skin lampshades or human fat soap. Both have been proven untrue, but many Jews still claim to have seen them.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Yeah I completely agree Jews were sent to German work camps in Poland"
The AR camps were not big enough to swing a cat in, and yet according to you, around 2-3 million Jews lived in them between 1942 and 1943. So how did they manage to live there and what happened to them after 1943 when the camps were shut down and removed. Auschwitz was never big enough to cater for 1 million Jews, so where did THEY live between 1943 and 1944?
See your problem?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot I never addressed numbers. I've always seen them as greatly exaggerated. And how do you argue that they did die then?
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"But many of their stories are most likely rumors that they believed to be reality"
So you include the eyewitness testimony of SS and non Jewish eyewitnesses as well? You will of course not accept Jewish eyewitnesses at all..unless they are called David Cole, of course.
Soap and lampshades bullshit is only ever mentioned by...deniers. Nobody else prattles on about it like you guys. You want proof...try a Google search and see what you get.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot, Yeah, we do. Because it's been accepted as not being the truth yet many Jews still argue it happened.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
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@BRONCOWEN
"Because it's been accepted as not being the truth yet "
That's true; by every neoNazi, conspiraloon, islamic radical, and Jew hater in the world.
Everybody else has no problem with it.
Still...let me know when the libraries and education institutions start spouting denial won't you.
I wont be holding my breath!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot So basically in your comments to me you never actually made any progress. You still never addressed how Mr. Cole's gas chamber argument was incorrect. You made no solid arguments other than that Jews were in camps, which no revisionist disagrees with.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
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@BRONCOWEN
"You still never addressed how Mr. Cole's gas chamber argument was incorrect."
You never told me what his "argument" was, denier boy. I'm still waiting.
"And how do you argue that they did die then?"
2-3 million in the AR camps, nearly 1 million in Auschwitz, around 2.7 million in the USSR...and that isn't my opinion, denier boy. It is what actual historians of the period accept according to a wide variety of research throughout a variety of countries.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
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@deconneurnot
"He states that it is claimed 6 million were gassed!".
Worse than that, Dec, much worse: he says it is "six million Jews and...five million non-Jews...through the use of homicidal gas chambers". He actually thinks it's ELEVEN million!
To his credit, though, he does go on to say " there are some people who maintain that these claims of mass-murder have never been proven".
No shit.
MSM4U2POM 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM
"Worse than that, Dec, much worse: he says it is "six million Jews and...five million non-Jews...through the use of homicidal gas chambers"
So he does...now why did I miss THAT clanger!!??
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Or you can completely ignore what I'm saying just like anyone else I ever try to make this point with. You also have the option of calling me anti-Semitic and racist to dismiss what I'm saying. That's what I typically get even though I'm not a Nazi.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Also to say us revisionists have offered no proof is completely outrageous. We're always putting arguments out there that just get ignored because they're "offensive". You're obviously just getting us mixed up with neo Nazi skinheads that just hate Jews. We don't hate Jews, we simply want the truth to come out.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Also to say us revisionists have offered no proof is completely outrageous."
So what proof of an alternative have you actually provided? We know the transports went out east to Auschwitz and the AR camps. THAT is well documented. So where did they go from there if they were not murdered and cremated? At least 4 million Jews wandering around a fuckin' war zone!!!??
LMAO!!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot
" We don't hate Jews"
Jeeezzzzzz....how many times have I heard THAT one!!?? Well off you go then and tinker with the Stalin Purges and killing fields of Cambodia, because the proof for these events is no better than that for the Holocaust.
When are you going to start? or is it just Jews you have a "thing" for?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot To your third post: Why are you adding this to the argument? They have nothing to do with the current debate. I honestly have not studied those events enough to forge a argument on them.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Why are you adding this to the argument?"
Quite simply, because you say you have nothing against Jews, but you wouldn't dream of studying any other 20th Century mass murder. Why don't you believe the Holocaust took place? If you make the comparison, as you refuse to do, we see that the evidence of other mass murders is no better than that for the Holocaust.
Why should the Holocaust be treated any differently?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot I have developed interest in the Holocaust because of many reasons. Mainly because it's so involved still with politics today. Especially Israel. The laws against holocaust denial in other countries. That's why. I would love to learn about other things later, but right now I'm focusing on the Holocaust because it interests me.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"but right now I'm focusing on the Holocaust because it interests me."
then try your local library and keep away from the usual bullshit websites. Read books from people who actually know what they are talking about.
"Especially Israel"
Ahhhh....say no more. All becomes clear.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Now you're just trying to discredit sources you are not even aware of. That's a completely blind argument.
Also you still have not addressed Mr. Cole's evidence in the Auschwitz gas chambers.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
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@BRONCOWEN
"Also you still have not addressed Mr. Cole's evidence in the Auschwitz gas chambers."
What evidence? Chop, chop...I can't wait all night.
"Now you're just trying to discredit sources you are not even aware of."
Listen denier boy..I have been fighting you guys for years. I know more denier crap than you will ever know. I also have a stack of books by real historians.
Now you want to tell us what Cole says or not. I'm not a mind reader.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
What's up...You struggling?
Sorry pal, but I am skyping relatives in 10 minutes. Your time limit has just run out. If you want to post the Cole BS please do...I'll take great delight in debunking it tomorrow.
night night denier boy.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Hahaha, am I struggling? That's the most pathetic thing I've heard in this entire debate. Either you're trolling or you seriously lack common sense. You still have yet to prove Cole wrong. You can't simply prove his extensive research and unbiased information wrong by calling it "BS"
You have yet to make a single solid argument supporting the reality of any gas chambers.
You sir, are a terrible debater.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"You still have yet to prove Cole wrong."
I already did, denier boy...he got the numbers wrong. Please tell me where the accepted number of those gassed is 6 million. He claims it is.
"You can't simply prove his extensive research and unbiased information"
YAWN!! You haven't told me what it is yet denier boy...
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
""You have yet to make a single solid argument supporting the reality of any gas chambers."
What? The fact that both Jewish and non Jewish eyewitnesses attest to the fact that the gas chambers murdered around 1 million at Auschwitz alone? Or maybe that even after 60+ years there are still traces of HCN found in all areas known to have served as HGCs..and nowhere else except delousing chambers?
You are out of your depth sonny.
Truly you are.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"You sir, are a terrible debater."
Let me know when you actually give me something to debate won't you denier boy.
Meanwhile you'd do best to go play with your guns. Far simpler.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Umm, actually no significant traces of Zyklon B were found at the Auschwitz gas chambers. Check Frederick Leuchter's results from his tests he conducted in 1988. Also since holocaust revisionism and denial is illegal in many European countries, not many are able to speak out without having their careers destroyed and receiving jail time. And thanks, I would be very happy to be playing with my guns right now. Unfortunately ammo is far too expensive.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"actually no significant traces of Zyklon B were found at the Auschwitz gas chambers."
ACTUALLY, the fact that traces were found at all is the issue here...because traces were actually found NOWHERE else in the camp except, for the delousing chambers. So perhaps you might like to tell us HOW those traces got there in the first place?
Leuchter is a fraud, boy. No denier uses him these days. They prefer Rudolf. Keep up!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Also since holocaust revisionism and denial is illegal in many European countries"
You yanks...You have no idea about how the denial laws work do you. It is not an offence to deny the Holocaust, or revise it (real revisionism happens all the time). It is ONLY an offense to use denial to attack publically minority groups such as Jews and gypsies. The laws mainly occur in countries that suffered Nazi occupation and where neoNazism is NOT wanted back for some reason!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
So...COLE? You found the bit you want to debate yet? Or have we now moved on to Leuchter. Where are we going next?
Its just that I'd like to know from time to time where you pinball wizards are bouncing from and bouncing to every now and again.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Haha what? The fact that the traces of the gas were found in the delousing chambers isn't significant at all. That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc. It actually proves another thing, that the Germans in the camp were actually concerned of the inmates' health.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"The fact that the traces of the gas were found in the delousing chambers isn't significant at all. That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc"
Where in Birkenau were the delousing chambers, then?
If you could find two such mirror image facilities attached to kremas at the far end of the site with some kind of published confirmation, you would say, wouldn't you?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings In Auschwitz Birkenau there was a massive complex that used Zyklon B gas to disinfect located behind the mess hall.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
" That was used to cleanse prisoners' clothing, mattresses, etc"
So the buildings known to be HGCs were nothing more than delousing chambers for clothes. You are on your own on that one denier boy, cos not even the main deniers claim THAT one. Still...I have no doubt you will be able to provide just one piece of evidence to prove that assertion?
Makes you wonder why the Nazis destroyed THOSE in 1945, and not the other delousing chambers.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Whoa there, I didn't say the "human gas chambers" in Auschwitz were the same building as delousing chambers. Those are two different buildings. That I assure you I'm not alone on, believe-everything-I'm-told boy.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
" I didn't say the "human gas chambers" in Auschwitz were the same building as delousing chambers. Those are two different buildings."
Riiiighghhhtttt....so how were the buildings known to be used used as HGCs and different?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot That's why prisoners were asked to remove their clothing, so they could either be cleansed or replaced by clothing provided by the camp (which also explains the massive piles of shoes). Prisoners were also shaved to combat the lice infestation within the camp systems.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Also the gas canisters they said were to have served murderous purposes were found at EVERY other camp in similar amounts. Even ones that were not said to have had gas chambers. Proving that the gas was used for helping prisoners, not killing them. If the Germans wanted them to die, why take all of this effort helping them? It really makes no sense.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"gas canisters they said were to have served murderous purposes were found at EVERY other camp in similar amounts."
This is interesting.
This rather flawed logic seems to suggest that similar quantities went to camps for treating the same numbers of inmates by a proportional representation of Z-b volume to inmate numbers. You see where this crashes and burns straight away, don't you? But do give us some examples. I mean you do say you have EVERY camp to work from...?
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings
Take care with this guy Timpo...he will threaten you with the COLE!
;-)
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@timpovikings Perhaps I should have been more specific with this, yes camps with larger populations would have more supply needs than a smaller one and therefore would have more canisters. Cans of Zyklon B were found at both camps claimed to having gas chambers and camps that they now say didn't. This proves that the gas wasn't used only for purposes of mass murder and therefore cannot be used as hard evidence.
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timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"If the Germans wanted them to die, why take all of this effort helping them?"
If the Germans wanted WHO to die? Care to be specific?
"It really makes no sense."
Oh I think we all know who is not making sense here.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot You really don't know who I'm implying when i say that?
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Also I'm not making sense? Do you really think I have not produced any information and evidence worth questioning?
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@deconneurnot I didn't just suddenly decide one day that I'm going to have revisionist views towards the holocaust. I've been studying the holocaust for some time now. My understanding of the event continues to change as I learn more. I'm listening to your arguments and taking them into consideration, but I don't feel like you're doing the same. If you can seriously put up a serious points they could change my opinion. I'm not that stubborn. So lets be respectful.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
" I've been studying the holocaust for some time now"
Almost an hour, by the looks of it.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
Good decision, sonny.
One day all the camps are using the same quantities, so there couldn't have been any mass gassing.
Today they're all using different quantities......so there couldn't have been any mass gassing.
Come back in 15 years, dicko. The green behind your ears may have washed off by then.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Okay, now you're just messing with what I was saying. I said I should've been more specific and that my first comment regarding the amounts of gas canisters wasn't explained well and I made it clear with my second statement. They had the same amounts based on population.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@timpovikings Also you and your buddy feel like the good guys in this argument. But really all you have done is dodged certain questions and insulted me.. Basically the point I'm getting to is, you're wrong and fuck you. I'm done.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"But really all you have done is dodged certain questions and insulted me"
I have dodged NOTHING. You have dodged....COLE.
;-)
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Your accusation of me not viewing your side of the argument is false. I at one point was a complete supporter of the holocaust. I changed my view because I was willing to view opposing arguments and I found them to be stronger. Also to your 1st post, The "HGC" building is connected to the crematorium in Auschwitz. No one claims that the delousing facility was ever used as a "HGC".
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"I changed my view because I was willing to view opposing arguments and I found them to be stronger."
Please give an illustration of this concept.
As you now suggest three generations of study and agreement are displaced by some element of revisionist research you have yet to disclose, it may be interesting to see what you have read in the mainstream history of Holocaust - and what you feel is a stronger opposing case.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@timpovikings Ok, I'm just going to close the argument with this. We're obviously not going to agree on anything. It's pointless to argue if there's not going to be an outcome. However, I do not want this opportunity to pass without taking the time to explain my reasoning for making these arguments. I truly believe in my argument, but I'm human. I could be wrong. You could too. My main point is, I think I am asking questions worthy of answers. Have I not asked some good questions?
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
Cole did nothing because he was threatened. The chronology of his period making videos, his disappearance - and THEN the Rubin statement are simply all wrong. Cole had been silent for too long before the alleged threats. Cole also made some fundamental errors, but believed HCN gassing HAD taken place - and said so.
70 years on, all the 'good questions' have been asked and answered. What you have to remember is, conspiracy theorists work theoretically, academics work in facts.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
The Holocaust, the death camps, gas chambers and the study of these elements of history, are not a series of esoteric disciplines with secrets known only to the inner ring of some anonymous magic circle. All the facts are there to be scrutinised and where gaps exist, cleverer people than I am agree a likely course of converging events.
All the evidence - not some - indicates that millions were purposely murdered by gas and various other sinister and illegal methods. Fact.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Have I not asked some good questions?"
Indeed you have...but they could have been easily answered if you had looked for the answers in correct sources. It is only when you look EXACTLY at what historians really write, and not at what deniers claim they write that the denier case becomes obviously flawed. I have lost count of the number of times deniers have quoted out of context or misquoted to give an impression that was never intended.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"Your accusation of me not viewing your side of the argument is false."
So yet again...which of the academic works on the Holocaust have you actually studied? Surely if you find the opposing arguments stronger, you must have something to compare those arguments to.
I personally am willing to bet you have not read anything that does not come from the Internet and does not come from denier websites.
yes or no?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot Yes, most of my arguments do come from the internet. But my sources provide evidence behind their information. I don't blindly read something and believe it to be reality.
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timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
I'm curious as to why you'd base your stance about the Holocaust on "studies" done by Leuchter (unmasked as a pseudo-scientific fraud) and David Cole (a high-school dropout who had done no historical research, and who has at least recanted his Holocaust denial since 1994)?
KonradAdenauerJr 1 month ago
@KonradAdenauerJr So you're saying they never had any strong arguments at all? Also Cole did that because he was threatened.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
I'm acquainted with the deniers' "Cole recanted because he was threatened" meme. However, they give no proof for that.
Yes, Cole and Leuchter never had any strong arguments to bolster their case. That's why no Holocaust historian take them seriously.
It speaks volumes that the Holocaust deniers have been so detached from reality that they still cite both as "experts."
KonradAdenauerJr 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"I'm done"
I think "fucked" would be more apt, mate.
You seem to be digging the hole you're in with a shovel attached to each limb, from where I'm standing.
timpovikings 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"I've been studying the holocaust for some time now."
Interesting. So what exactly have you been studying from? Care to give me any of the established works on Auschwitz that you have read?
"I'm listening to your arguments and taking them into consideration"
Are you?
hmmmm
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot To your 2nd post: They lived in the barracks. Auschwitz even had a inmate band and pool. But you never hear about that. Auschwitz was not even close to the front until 1945, so it was not much of a "war zone". And since you ignored the portion of Mr. Cole's video about the gas chamber you don't realize that they couldn't have been killed by gassing their own photographs even show the inmates obviously died of starvation and disease.
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
@BRONCOWEN
"They lived in the barracks"
They lived in the barracks? HOW!? You seen how big Treblinka, Sobibor and Belzec were? Auschwitz was never built to contain over 1 million people. You can't prove it was.
"show the inmates obviously died of starvation and disease."
There are NO photos of inmates at Auschwitz dying of disease.
Doh!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot There's no photos of inmates dying from gas chambers either. Doh!
BRONCOWEN 1 month ago
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@BRONCOWEN
"There's no photos of inmates dying from gas chambers either"
Shit, boy...I never said there was. Unlike you......
Not good at this are you.
deconneurnot 1 month ago
ok people this is 2011. whatever you think of the jews, to deny the holocaust today you gotta be either uneducated or plain stupid. do not ask me for proofs, they are all over the place. anybody with a little brains knows it did happened.
mllemelanie01 2 months ago
@mllemelanie01
"Anybody with a little brains knows it did happened".
And those without, think it didn't!
MSM4U2POM 2 months ago
@MSM4U2POM I'd say it's the other way round. It is so very easy to adjust to the massmedias set mindset and say that it happened and that 6 million people were killed there during 2 years (which is impossible and there should've been masses of people shown in the air surveillance photos 24/7).
It requires you to think more if you deny it. We actually reason it, you dont.
And I wonder how you can think it is true, when the NWO are taking over atm.. RFID chips installed to people etc..
kaahaajaFIN 1 month ago
@kaahaajaFIN
"And I wonder how you can think it is true, when the NWO are taking over atm.. RFID chips installed to people etc..".
Coming from a bloke who can make THAT statement and still keep a straight face, I'm not inclined to argue. Instead, I greet you with the same deference as I always do to the terminally afflicted.
MSM4U2POM 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM Oh you played that card. Well we cant argue about this case. Its simple, you believe that everything is black 'n white, I dont.
Our minds are set in small boxes. If one starts to think, that theres something wrong, that this all what we are told isnt everything whats going on, others blame him for being a conspiracy lunatic.
If someone questions our 'leaders' intention and motives, he is being looked down and insulted. This is just what the elite wants us to act like.
kaahaajaFIN 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM Btw, have you watched news? The RFID chips are already reality. Those have already been planted to our credit cards and to some passports. Also, in USA their government are chipping people already. Right know, it is voluntarely, but in the future, it becomes a mandatory...
All this what I just said is real. You can read from the papers and everywhere.
/watch?v=VWQmNmQd9rg&feature=related
kaahaajaFIN 1 month ago
@kaahaajaFIN
"All this what I just said is real. You can read from the papers and everywhere".
ROFL!
So you believe the media, but you don't believe - the media?
MSM4U2POM 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM Stay on the debate...
Of course I do listen to media, but I DONT BELIEVE EVERYTHING THEY WANT ME TO KNOW. They said they're starting to plant those chips to volunteers, so it supports my theory..
kaahaajaFIN 1 month ago
@kaahaajaFIN
"They said they're starting to plant those chips to volunteers, so it supports my theory".
So you believe everything you want to believe - but nothing you don't!
The paragon of studied objectivity, aren't you?
MSM4U2POM 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM Start making sense, will you?
kaahaajaFIN 1 month ago
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@kaahaajaFIN
"Start making sense, will you?"
LMAO!!!!
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM
Ah...these Finns.
Looks like that country has a lot to answer for when it comes to conspiracy theory and Big Bro is watching you.
remember our Mr Pangloss?
deconneurnot 1 month ago
@deconneurnot
Even Pangloss had a bit more guile than this bloke. But not much!
MSM4U2POM 1 month ago
@MSM4U2POM
Indeed...so it seems
deconneurnot 1 month ago
How many Jews can you fit in a Sedan?
Three in the back, two in the front and 16 in the ash tray.
ozzyhendrix619 2 months ago
@EverSinceTunguska
ZZZZzzzzzz......
deconneurnot 2 months ago
@AbsentAnyProof
Whatever you say.
It's obviously an area you've studied.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@AbsentAnyProof
Indeed.
And a shit one.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@AbsentAnyProof
And you want to be taken seriously because you get your research from shit Bruce Willis movies?
Yeah....okay.
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@EdwardTheGray
I suggest you read O'Neil's survey and then tell us what's wrong with it.
Next, get yourself a PO box (I think they have reduced rates for chickenshits).
Then I send you the discs with my address for their return.
(PS: It's okay to be yellow AND disbelieve anything that doesn't appear in a Spiderman comic, mate. Your dissent changes absolutely nothing!) LMFAO!
timpovikings 2 months ago
@AbsentAnyProof
Villain: "Who are you and how did you get in here?"
Frank Drebin: "I'm a locksmith...and I'm a locksmith!"
POLICE SQUAD 1983
Any irrelevant quote you can quote, I can quote better.
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
"The jew massod[sic] put a price on David Cole's head." ROFL: another Holocaust denier claimed it was another entity that did it. It's ironic, since deniers dismiss eyewitnesses to the Holocaust, as well as historians, for "inconsistencies," yet the deniers constantly contradict each other.
"You are either a filthy jew or a ignorant white puppet of the jews." LMAO
KonradAdenauerJr 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
Obviously, you're not acquainted with the history of the gas chamber building involved, are you?
FYI: David Cole has repudiated his former Holocaust denial since 1994. Typical of Holocaust deniers to base their silliness on incomplete, outdated, and downright false "arguments."
KonradAdenauerJr 2 months ago
@Tremleypnt10 spew your hate and lies , it will never take away from the FACT the Holocaust existed and was committed by people who had nothing but hate and jealousy in their heart , so much so they committed unspeakable crimes against Jews and anyone else they chose to live or die. Long Live Israel
pilgrimspath 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
Ah, a fucking expert.
Doors, windows and David Cole trumps anything I have.
You win......nice talking.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@timpovikings haha, so called "expert" such as timpov cant produce pics of video clips of those mass graves because of a so called NDA, yet the same NDA lets him loan it out to other people? HAHAHAHA!!!!
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
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@EdwardTheGray
I can produce O'Neil's entire survey (the one you've never read), his video diary and his photo files. They satisfied his peers, YV and the Belzec memorial.
I'll let him know that while you've never seen them, they don't satisfy you.
I'm sure it'll give him sleepless nights.
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
The pool was built in Summer 1944 and you have no photo of a Jew in it.
Scrip was indeed their own money and they were issued camp notes which was taken from their own accounts - which the SS kept 'safe' for them.
Brothels were never available to Jews because of the nazi 'purity' edicts.
You said only a fool believes in the "holohoax". And YOU believe in the "holohoax".
Thanks for sharing. ;-)
timpovikings 2 months ago
Im so sorry for all who lost their family, friends and human beings.. The unbelievable horror that took place can not be related to anyone who wasnt there.. But know for sure the holocaust happened...inconceivable that humans can possess such evil to commit the horrid crimes of the holocaust.
pilgrimspath 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
So, you're on the wrong thread.
Bye.
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@Tremleypnt10
Couldn't agree more.
I believe in Holocaust.
How 'bout you?
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@EdwardTheDim
The survey of the graves is in the report. A report which has yet to be refuted.
O'Neil recovered a large quantity of longbones/skulls and took them outside the known camp perimeter for burial - where more graves were found.
He was not there to look for a quantity of human ashes or remains which would shut idiots like you and the people who don't read academic reports up.
Perhaps if you stamped your feet and held your breath, someone will give in to your tantrums.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@timpovikings Oh please Timpo, if he found any kind of mass graves, he would have taken pictures and videos of the event and posted it along with all his other pictures of the junk that he found! Finding one or two bodies does not prove that there were mass graves! This is pathetic Timpo! Yea, like I am going to just hand over my information after knowing what has happened to all the other revisionists out there!
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
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@EdwardTheGray
"all the other revisionists"
ROFLMFAOOOOOOO! Someone help me up!
timpovikings 2 months ago
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@EdwardTheGray
"Finding one or two bodies does not prove that there were mass graves!"
Awesome logic.
Academic research is not constituted in excavating AR camps in an attempt to piece together ash fragments in order to satisfy idiots who have to see every last human remain accounted for. If you can't find fault with the studies, based on the principles of scholarly research and the tenets of historical recording which satisfy the broad academic consensus, then live with them.
timpovikings 2 months ago
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FYI: -tragic that esteemed chancellor St.Hitler was defeated by victorious albeit horridly warmongering evil Rothschild/Rockefeller et'al jewZionist Bank'ster-mafia that today rules the world, -controlling the News-media presenting grotesquely distorted views of the freedom-loving Nazi-movement to liberate world from jewTyranny; --truthseekers are exposing HoloHoax-lies, -revealing NO Jews were intentionally killed in the Safe-encampments, -it was noble Germans that were nearly exterminated.!!!
AryanKnight 2 months ago
@AryanKnight
Funniest post I have seen all week.
Truly..it is!
deconneurnot 2 months ago
@deconneurnot <--spent most of his time in school sitting upon as stool facing into a corner while wearing an appropriate dunce-cap..!!
AryanKnight 2 months ago
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@AryanKnight
" <--spent most of his time in school sitting upon as stool facing into a corner while wearing an appropriate dunce-cap..!!"
Did you? Well that really is no surprise Nazi boy, is it...
deconneurnot 2 months ago
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And "the angel of death" Joseph Mangela was not hung or prosecuted, but rather took a "free out of the jail card", working as a scientist in USA, along with all the Gestapo Generals who founded and worked 4 CIA. USA was then a Zionist Controlled nation (Eisenhower was a JEW). The whole Holocaust was not to kill the Jews, but rather to scare the hell out of them so they can be manipulated by their synagogues to push the 2 migrate to Palestine. Jews did not want to go there.
666iszionism 2 months ago
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The word -Holocaust- is Yiddish (Jewish) and it means -Burnt Offering-. Jews burn innocent children they kidnap & viciously murder, as a burnt offering to their Babylonian Idol: Moloch (a Satanic habit from Babylonians and they call it Mysticism, Ritual, Child Sacrifice). Watch the video called -Jewish Ritual Murder 2-.
I'm surprised why Jews don't learn and don't fuck with nations they host them. They are doing the same thing to USA ECONOMY & the REAL Holocaust is coming this time from USA.
666iszionism 2 months ago
@grozde Actually its just a logical guess on whaf happened. His name wuz on a list to to to the gas chamners in Aushwitz-II/Birkaneau. We found thag out when my father got a letter from the Romani gov.
Trikstr2288 2 months ago
@Trikstr2288 What list? Can you provide us some of these lists to these so called gas chambers?
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
Not "so called." The Auschwitz gas chambers were real.
KonradAdenauerJr 2 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr Really? Did I ask for the existence of the so called gas chambers? Or did I ask for the list that supposedly that your family got that showed he was selected for the GC?
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
If you look at the initial message, you'll see that it wasn't me who made the claim about the list. My point is simple: the gas chambers were real, not "so called."
KonradAdenauerJr 2 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr
I thought exactly the same. Your point was about the "so called" part of our denier friend's post and not about any list.
deconneurnot 2 months ago
@KonradAdenauerJr OK, gas chambers it is. The times cited are impossible due to zyklon b would still out gas well pass 3 hours, (24 hours actually), and it would be harmful if they tried to open up the chamber in an hour to remove the bodies. On top of that, it is impossible to cremate bodies in 30 minutes as claimed. Ask any cremation expert and they will tell you that.
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
Wrong again. Richard Green's expert report looking at the properties of Z-B in gas chamber evidence, agrees with Mattogno Rudolf data; that the ventilation arrangements displacing whole air volumes, actually comply almost exactly with current safety guidelines on CN gas.
The gas chambers were adequately ventilated. They must have been. Germans - and others - were using high ppm concentrations to delouse warehouses and ship holds, which tend to have only natural venting.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@timpovikings Again timpov, you ignore the refutation that Rudolph has made about Green. Zyklon b just does not stop outgassing because ventilation is turned on. It would still be releasing it's load well pass the time that is cited. And no, cyanide is not a surface reaction only, it would still absorb into the walls.
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
!? Rudolf has yet to refute any qualified chemist.
I say again.
Zyklon-B was safely used in high concentrations in warehouses, ships, rolling stock and cellars, which are rarely well ventilated by anything other than natural methods. The manufacturers own guidlelines specified basic safety precautions and gas masks which the SK did have.
If you can delouse with it safely, you can kill with it.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@timpovikings You mean like Dr Roth with his "cyanide is a surface reaction only"? hahaha!!! And again, if you would have read all of the reports that Rudolph has put out, you will find his refutations there. I cannot be a librarian, and I cannot read it for you. Go look for them my dear friend!
And did they mention any of the 2000 Jews standing outside waiting to be gassed? And also, do not forget that Prufer even stated that 1 body could be cremated per hour per muffle. lol
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
It's getting on for 66 years, mate.
It's you who wants to reverse or revise the historical record.
You can't do that with 'hahaha' and ignorance.
timpovikings 2 months ago
@timpovikings Speaking of "historical record", where are those mass graves from Kola and O'neal? HAHAHA!!!
EdwardTheGray 2 months ago
@EdwardTheGray
I should reword that.
Have you read either of the survey reports?
timpovikings 2 months ago