• "So you would cut down the law to get at the devil? And when the last law was cut down and the devil turns around on you where would you hide , all those laws made flat. Do you realy think you could stand upright when the wind blows then? Yes ! I give the devil the benefit of the law for my own safety sake ! "
Sir Thomas Moore, High Lord Chancellor of England -Executed 1535
When we allow the law to permit torture we do far more harm than the terrorist could have dreamed for!
Awhile back you tried to say the reason they raided american vessels was because of the slave trade ? Honestly the pirates took full part in the slave trade and even taking slaves from the captured ships
Using the excuse that they are poor as reason and excuse for violence. Is apologist stance, Tripoli is major port city and major trade route and the major city of libya. So piracy was not needed
Just like most people who get killed for their religion get killed by religious people, and people who get killed for their ideology get killed by people with a (different) ideology.
I really want your evidence off those 9 other journalists killed. What were the coming towards a check point in a unmarked car and refusing to stop, Hey our soldiers always have unmarked cars coming towards them and unidentified people in combat zones. Oh I really would like to know how many of those journalists deaths you are trying to push on our soldiers belong to the insurgents. I swear It was not so long ago I saw them torturing and beheading one of them.
I have heard of messy but quick operation, But I have never heard of operation that is long and clean " . War is messy people killing each other in brutal ways.
The End of the United States Of America's satanic empire of Lies, Murder, Theft And Destruction: with America's very own nuclear device of destruction as she took it up destructively with the violent nuclear attack and murderous act of terror on Hiroshima; So shall she die by her own device; "With Violence It Will Return Unto America's satanic empire of Lies, Murder, Theft And Destruction"
torture is commonplace in the US military ... america will always shift the blame and say something like "yeah but what would the iraqis or afghans do " but i think any aggressive invading force should have no rights what so ever and deserve everything they get
@watup2154 The estimated population of America when Europeans arrived was no more than 3-5 million. How could the 'Christian terrorists' wipe out 100 million? I know the points you're making but your figures are wildly innacurate. 100 millon Iraqi's? They would be extinct as Iraq has 31.2 million today!! You're points are interesting but you undermine them with crazy statistics.
We must understand our unalienable Rights are part of the Laws of Nature, not manmade. When viewing these Rights from the vantage point of science, it becomes clear they apply to all Life, from bacteria to humans, and Social systems, including Charles Darwin’s research; as in some Grand Unification principle for all Living-systems (see my channel video). The Laws of Nature trumps mortals in power; a new understanding of these Rights may help make this world a better place to live.
Obama's chosen a strange way to 'change' our image. Seems to me maybe the way you do that is you STOP doing things that make you the terrorist of the world. Obama has simply continued the murder and occupation. Nothing is different.
Its about time. There's torture going on not only abroad, but right here inside the United States. There's a million different ways to torture people, and they don't necessarily involve water.
Obama is such a pussy, and a no good low life n!gger! Fk what haters say I wouldn't of let them have a review, I would tell them to suck my *****. These muskims deserve what they got ....
You want to know what a war crime is. Well Africa can show you whole villages slaughtered by machetes hacked to bloody pieces. Fuck closing gitmo that is not even human rights abuse. TORTURE Honestly Russiatoday and the rest of the world . You have no room to speak and America is superior in these regards over Venezuela and cuba
I mean if anyone wants to lecture america on human rights abuse because of water boarding. You should really go cross into north korea and let them capture you. There you will see what true human rights abuse is. The have babies born into concentration camps. They use entire families as test subjects for lethal chemical weapon. You would be thanking whatever deity you worship if you were luckily enough to get waterboard and just that
@yuraslapabitch Torture has never been a reliable means of extracting information. It is ultimately self-defeating as a means of control. One wonders why it is still practiced.
"1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Yisrayl, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
Unfortunately is money men that rule over governments which are the ones that should be put out of action. The puppet governments are there to take the heat and act as a smoke screen for the sinister action of the few that control the country through the government. This is what I call organized network of criminals which even abuse the justice system to prevent them from been tried in any court. As far as democracy goes, it doesn't exist!
i love the bandwagon to hate on america for torture, REALLY? the worst thing that happened is water boarding, those people cant die from it, they dont even bleed or have bruises afterwords, are you fucking kidding? in russia the kgb does 20x worse shit, and in korea , and saddam huessein, are you fucking serious? get your heads out of your ass world.
I thought Obama closed Guantánamo Bay??? He said he would in his election campaign. Right after he brought all US troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan??? He was then awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because of these actions???
@Neoguivre Im not even talking about soviet Russia, Im talking about Putins Russia, todays Russia, its not a democracy you know.
And you didnt have to be anti communist so that Stalin would kill you, considered as a threat for his rule and you would be killed. More over most of the people died in the Gulags labor camps with extremely hard conditions. If the ragime needed more employees, than they found more 'traitors".
@shishlik86 Oh yes the russia who has invaded georgia. And at with Chechnya ? Wasnt there something in the news about russian special forces executing captives with out a trial ? hmm What about the reports of raiding and stealing while invading geogria.
@Neoguivre We have all seen this. I dont know exactly whoes more right about this conflict between Russia and georgia, but it is sure that Russia has done some war crimes there. But no Goldstone was sent threre. I mentioned Russia because RT is Russian TV without any criticism of the Russian government. But lots of criticism on Israel and the US.
@shishlik86 Fair enough my point is that I think America is probably the most humane nation. This is not just because I live there. But because america is the worlds still premier super power. And as such not only are the eyes of our media and that of the worlds focused on Americas every move. I think anyone sense ww1 who was a prisoner of war in america would tell you it wasnt bad. As some nations are down right in violation of humans rights. I can't respect the u.n human rights group
@shishlik86 When they have cuba of all nations as member of human rights. That is like having a cannibal serial killer as the surgeon general. Hell another u.n member north korea is violating every single human rights law laid down. But hey america waterboards a few insurgents oh no we cant have that now can we. Forget the genocides in Africa forget Muslim law ruling nations. Forget communist nations starving and mass murdering oh no its about america water boarding
@Neoguivre I can agree with you about this. More over I believe that in matters of definite information terror attack I believe that getting information from a prisoner in such ways like shaking and slaping are acceptable.
human rights wat about human rights in the lands which they are freeing from the evil controlling relgion that hurts children and woman oh and if you need me to state how ok by stoning ladys and raping children sick relgion is a form of control and is evil paganism is the first reglion we have forgotten the way of peace
Russia Today should be re named US today, obsessed with the US. RT makes a case out that US has fake democracy to obfuscate downplay Russian fake democracy. lol. Russia will be left behind again, always 100 yrs behind the rest of the world. US can and will lecture and slap you in the face and youll like it. because USA still the most civilised country. This channel is the worst load of commie BS. What sub reptilian hopes of brainwashing anyone does this channel have. the mildly retarded nashi.
Twats bitching about america human rights violations and torture and yet have not idea what kinda of torture and human rights violations happen in other u.n nations
This is the same UN that just appointed Iran and Saudi Arabia to the Women's Rights council? Only if they're going to champion human rights, you don't put the abusers in charge!
@TheCanadianLeninist Ho many people did Castro have slaughtered in the revolution hmm. Tell me honestly idiot would you rather be in a Cuban prison or American prisoner of war. You think America water boarding is bad. You have no clue hat Cuba does. Cuba has violated nearly every human rights charter in existence
@TheCanadianLeninist Human Rights Watch is among international human rights organizations accusing the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial executions (a.k.a. "El Paredón") FACT
@TheCanadianLeninist In 1973, gay writer Reinaldo Arenas was sent to prison after being charged and convicted of 'ideological deviation' and for publishing abroad without official consent. He escaped from prison and tried to leave Cuba by launching himself from the shore on a tire inner tube. The attempt failed and he was re-arrested near Lenin Park and imprisoned at the notorious El Morro Castle alongside murderers and rapists.
@TheCanadianLeninist The Cuban American National Foundation states that since the revolution 12,000 political executions have taken place. Dr. Armando Lago, of the Association for the Study of the Cuban Economy, a group of academics whose board of directors is almost entirely Cuban exiles,states that between 15,000 and 18,000 Cubans were executed for counterrevolutionary activities since the revolution.. There is the cuban human rights for you
On the one below as to there being no true Americans. I both agree and disagree. The true Americans are not Americans in the first place. They are the Native Americans. I think as well that it is there Tribe which they may go by anyhow. I am not sure on that since I am only 20 percent Cherokee.
@rh1507 And native americans are not true natives either having come from Asia. So Yeah native american my ass. It has been proven through genetics native americans are nothing but mongoloids (( scientific name for Asians )). Yes join us your asian brothers Japanese chinese koreans and all those between
@Neoguivre just so YOU know, it has been proven that iroquis and cherokee share so much european blood they are unmistakeable to eastern europeans. europeans crossed over to north american on ships loooong before any asiatic people crossed the land bridge, except for the inuit, but nobody knows how long they have been there.
@Wyndstarthedruid Just so you know the land bridge exist between 70000 and 11000 years ago. Vikings may have come during the dark ages. But the first true immigration by boat by europeans was way after the land bridge was gone 69000 years it was there. So yeah fail
@rh1507 actually your only 10 percent cherokee and 10 percent european, cherokees have tons of european blood in them. and its way before the colonists.
I think this topic about UN criticizing USA can be very tricky I dont believe all of it.. 95% of the UNO is controlled and managed by the USA anyways..
This is not the country of our civics class. We have to take it back. People who do drugs and drink need to go to class not jail. People who speed need to get tickets only if they crash. People who run red lights need tickets only if the crash. We have way too may cops worrying way too much about how you walk, stand, and sleep. Its got to stop. I have been saying to 20 years we are losing our rights as free human beings with every hiring of a government worker.
It's a good thing that the UN warns the US. With the inevitable further decline of the empire, the US are likely to become more aggressive and dangerous to world safety. Having a country with no morals, a country that invades, destroys, murders and tortures, that also has a huge nuclear arsenal which it has already used is worrisome at the least.
@youneac Decline Yes just like that recession. Dont get your hopes up when america remains the world power then your on your death bed . Nasa, Oh and the internet do you know what nation controls most of it ? Hmm a country that invades sorry no when you attack some else that is bigger and stronger then you and then come to your home and beat you down for it. Murder lol is that what you call it combatants death in combat now murder. Torture please you want to see torture
@Neoguivre Really? You are totally oblivious to the fact that the perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudi's, you know, the nation that the US is now selling billions of dollars worth of military equipment to, and that ther was never even the suspicion that Iraq was involved in this in any way?
Oh, and, ignoring the evidence of murders of civilians on WikiLeaks, shooting innocent families, then putting some guns on them and claim they were combatants is a trick as old as the US invasion of Korea.
@youneac So let me take apart your argument piece by piece. The saudi’s do you mean the saudi government. Anyway lets carry on, Ever hear of something called the winter soldier. You know those “ soldiers “ in the vientam war whole told stories of how they slaughtered innocent people. But that is not the best part of that story, no it is that just a little thing. See the thing is that you have to actually be in the united states military. Or better yet even in vietnam.
@youneac really? you do realize 9/11 was done by the US government.....as a false flag terror incident by which to enforce its homeland security and making the US a police state. GET YOUR HEAD. OUT. OF YOUR. ASS!
@Wyndstarthedruid I'm pretty sure 9/11 was done by Saudi's. But if you mean "the US government was complicit" then I absolutely agree. With the level of manipulation, strong-arming and subversion that the US government has been committing in foreign countries, especially in the Middle East and Nothern Africa, it was only a matter of time before a response in kind would come from there. Whether the US government was in on the planning of the attacks is hardly relevant.
@Wyndstarthedruid Facts don't need to be researched; they have been. That's why they are facts. It's the lies and secrets that need to be researched, so that the facts are uncovered.
@youneac On October 11th, 1784, Moroccan pirates seized the brigantine Betsey[This first act of piracy against the United States ended in a positive light, as the Spanish government negotiated the freedom of the captured ship and crew; however, Spain offered advice to the United States over how to deal with the Barbary States. The advice was to offer tribute to prevent further attacks against merchant ships
@Neoguivre It'd have been appropriate to mention the source of this quote.
In the same article you can read that the French had been providing protection for US ships, but the US neglected the alliance with France out of fear of getting drawn into a war with Great Britain.
@youneac And yet the Muslims pirates still attack shipping. They even attack our shipping lanes. So they committed the first acts of recorded violence with the united states of America. So please drop the whole America started the war with Muslim Insurgents. For as long as Islam has been a major religion it has attacked its neighbors invaded peaceful nations slaughter Jew and Christians. Try to invade europe but were pushed back by the crusades. And your surprised that they start violence
@Neoguivre You are talking about the USA that came to be through genocide on the native population, right?
The US didn't start the war with muslim insurgents, it created them. It was the US who introduced muslim extremist Sayyid Qutb to financier Osama Bin Laden, for the purpose of helping the Mujaheddin become a more powerful resistance against the Soviets in Afghanistan. But, as Frankenstein already taught us: you can create a monster, but you can't control it after that.
@youneac LOL you actually believe the apologist revisionist history about the supposed genocide of the native americans. Well hmm lets see what really happen, you of course know that native Americans raid and attack slaughtering entire settlements. Effectively it was a war between the colonist and native americans as much sides attacked and killed each other. What sealed the fate of the native Americans was there Isolation. It prevent them from getting immunity from the diseases brought over
@Neoguivre Ah, so that's what "conquistadores" means: settlers who get raided and slaughtered by Indians. I guess it must have been the Indians themselves then who brought all those golden artifacts to Spain and Portugal.
@youneac So we have want from America, To Mexico and the Spanish And actually yes when the Native Americans raided settlements, They either killed all of the settlers and kept the females selling them in sexually slavery down in mexico. And lastly it was more because the native americans isolation that caused they own fall. And allow simple diseases to become major because they had no outside contact with the world
@Neoguivre My, my, you really are the poster boy for successful brainwashing! Everything was ever done in the history of the US was with the cleanest and healthiest of motivations, and all the countries, organizations, groups and people who suffered from the deeds of the US have only themselves to blame.
The fact that you're so vehemently defending this reasoning shows that deep inside you know there's something wrong with it, but you just can't break the spell, can you?
@youneac No No Who is more effectively brainwashed here me or you. It takes more skill to turn a person into a self hater and apologist and believing revisionist history. Of course America and of course people suffered but you incorrectly said it was planned genocide on the part of the settlers. You absolutely refuse to see that the native Americans are partially responsible for what happen to them. They isolation, they attacks against settlers. It was not a genocide as it was more turf war
@youneac I mean you have been effectively brainwashed through your life. From the liberal leaning schools to the very textbooks. You have been so trained into one way of thinking. And that is America is at all fault for everything that no else is at fault or has any responsibility in what has happen. And that thinking any other way is probably actually physical painful for you I mean just a look at you page really you buy into the false flag bull. Now tell me how rich have your leaders in that
@youneac cult become from selling you half-truths and misinformation. And you would believe it because you have been taught all your life to be ashamed of America. That we are the bad guys, I Suggest you first get some therapy then you turn off CNN or whatevver brand of the liberal media off, and actually think for yourself.
@youneac To fight communism in Afghanistan. Yeah but the really reason they attacked America. Well if you really want to get a inside on it Check out My trip to al-queda. It has some surprising evidence for you
@youneac In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy in London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
@youneac It was written in their Qu'ran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.
@Neoguivre You mean like the way the "pilgrims" slaughtered, enslaved and poisoned the native Americans, claiming were doing so in the name of their god?
@youneac Because its not like other nations can not figure out how Americas PR and media can easily turn people against the war. And they are so many willing Americas who will distort information and lie about the war for them. Why don't you move over to a E.U nation
@youneac And I must apogolize for not remaining civil the entire debate. I have been annoyed with several other users, And that might of bleed into our debate. So I thank you again for staying civil. But back to the debate. So the wars are not white washed there is dirt there and shown. The likelihood is it is somewhere between our two individual stances. Probably not as bad as what you are saying and not as entirely good as I'm saying, I most do that out of respect for our soldiers
@Neoguivre I know how some people can tempt you to lose your cool here on YT. Few ever apologize for doing so, which makes it even more appreciable that you do. Apology accepted.
I was not implying that all was black, and I know you aren't trying to claim the opposite. Soldiers are our last line of defense when other measures. It is exactly therefore that we should fight for their ability to do their work honorably, not corrupted by a dishonest government or by bad apples in their ranks.
@youneac Agree that ww2 was necessary and that America should of become involved early. America is also slow to react will I Meany in military based offensive at least. So the CIA gets its hands dirty and does black ops things to prevent america having to go to war. By having others fight our enemies. Now has the CIA committed some horrible acts probably more then likely yes, But that is the nature of the beast . Here is a quote for you
@youneac " I have heard of messy but quick operation, But I have never heard of operation that is long and clean " . War is messy people killing each other in brutal ways. But this is not a conventional fight Like ww2 was our enemy does not were a uniform like the nazis were so kind to do. Our enemy is not tangible and can melt away into the populace. They blow up crowded markets just to kill American soldiers, Lay ieds and set car bombs with a complete lack of concern for the own people .
How should our soldiers act in a war like these ? A old man crossing the street could just be going to get some food or be carrying a bomb. Or others weapons so yeah with a enemy who seems to want to increase civilian deaths as high as they can. This is still relatively clean for our military which is a sledge hammer. You know Russia , China, North korea , Cuba, Venezuela would kill 10 civilians on purpose for ever death of they soldiers. Russia put this into practice after fighting Germany
@Neoguivre MAYBE THEIR TRYNNA TELL US TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THE MADNESS WILL END .. PEOPLE TEND TO GET THAT WAY WHEN THEIR INVADED.
@youneac Oh Yes its Americas fault that the middle east or the Muslims hate us. Only one problem it was the Muslim pirates who first killed and stole from American shipping. In fact that is the reason we even have navy. Your attempt to answer my question with a question failures utterly. Since you trying to make in sound like it is robbery or break in. When in fact it is a war with armed combatants. I don't think going up to the house and knocking and asking politely for the bad guys to
@Neoguivre Yes, I know the story on how the Berbers believed that slave trade was immoral, and attacked the ships of countries who visited the region for those purposes. It had little to do with their religion, as other muslim countries like Turkey were all to eager to help and make a buck.
Are you so well indoctrinated that you can't see that there's something wrong with the mantra that the ones who are invaded are the bad guys, and the invaders, looters and destroyers the white hats?
@youneac The war stemmed from the Barbary pirates’ attacks upon American merchant shipping in an attempt to extort ransom for the lives of captured sailors, and ultimately tribute from the United States to avoid further attacks, much like their standard operating procedure with the various European states.
@Neoguivre Piracy had been a way of life around the Mediterranean for centuries (read e.g. Homer). The British, complaining about pirates around 1800, had been committing piracy there themselves until 50 years earlier.
Many European states combated Piracy. The French, the Dutch and the British fought piracy aggressively. Contrary to popular belief in the US, the Dutch and the British played a major role in the Barbary Wars, providing most of the vessels and soldiers.
@youneac Russia, Cuba, iran, China, North korea. This are all nations that employ very brutal torture on prisoners in the past and today. Actually torture, such a nail pulling,cutting of pieces of they victims shocking them. A little seep deprivation and water boarding is the worse you are going to get in America after you try to kill them. LOL Fucking idiot
@Neoguivre Ah, The Fascist Handbook, chapter 2: when exposed for immoral acts, respond by pointing at others and thus divert the attention. Well done!
So the whole they planted weapons on innocent people to cover up them killing people argument. Oh that is loaded question that has no really answer. Has it happen probaly are those soldiers punished for it yeah. Is it the norm probaly no, just not because the media is looking directly at iraq and afghastian. Not just americas but the international one. And the fact that some people in those countries have internet to upload the evidence.
@Neoguivre You mean the media who were embedded with the US military, and threatened that they would get shot if they tried to explore without supervision of the military? The ones who were censored by the military, and boycotted and harassed by the US government if they deviated? Like the Italians who got "accidentally" shot by the US while being "rescued"?
And you mean the internet that was blocked from deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, as it would "help the terrorists"?
@youneac Oh the internet was blocked and where did you get this information from hmm. Of course so what about the winter soldier. We now know that the anti-war movement will lie. And will distort and use people who have never ever been soldiers. As actually soldiers. So how much do you think the anti-war/ insurgents will lie and wage a pr war against america. Which the american left media is all too willing take the worst and make it even worse
@Neoguivre Ah, of course! The ones objecting to war are the liars, and the ones perpetrating it are telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. After all, they've got nothing to hide, right? No worries about secrets that might leak out through, let's say, WikiLeaks.
Soldiers are brainwashed. That's a part of their job. They need to believe that what they do is right, no matter how abhorrent and inhuman, otherwise they can't do their job.
@youneac Pirate ships and crews from the North African states of Tripoli, Tunis, and Algiers (the Barbary Coast), although nominally governed by the Ottoman Empire, were the scourge of the Mediterranean. Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power.
@Neoguivre Straight from the Jefferson Papers. Which shows that even experts can be wrong. Tripoli was never a state, but a semi-independent city in Syria. Tunis and Algiers are just cities in Tunisia and Algeria, at that time all Ottoman colonies.
In Piracy In The Ancient World (ISBN 9780801855054) you can read that these cities by no means lived in wealth, but barely survived, and resorted to income from piracy to keep the Ottomans from destroying them (like they did with the Zirids).
@youneac I think they meant city states. "Barbary" was not always a unified political entity. From the 16th century onwards, it was divided into the familiar political entities of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripolitania (Tripoli). Major rulers during the times of the barbary states' plundering parties were the Pasha or Dey of Algiers, the Bey of Tunis and the Bey of Tripoli, all subjects, who were anxious to get rid of the Ottoman sultan, but who were de facto independent rulers.
@youneac Using the excuse that they are poor as reason and excuse for violence. Is apologist stance, Tripoli is major port city and major trade route and the major city of libya. So piracy was not needed
@youneac As well as put them back holding them in stagnate position. Now back to the reporters. No see why they are told to travel with Americans is really simple. Because it is still a active hot zone that guess what when you travel unidentified with out informing The Coalition were you will be. And you go into battle zone you going to be shot at accidentally maybe but shot at. Now I think I remember the event you talking about They were traveling in a unmarked vehicles towards americans
@youneac He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
@youneac Awhile back you tried to say the reason they raided american vessels was because of the slave trade ? Honestly the pirates took full part in the slave trade and even taking slaves from the captured ships
@Neoguivre Just like most people who get killed for their religion get killed by religious people, and people who get killed for their ideology get killed by people with a (different) ideology.
@youneac But here let me ask you a loaded question as well. Do you think that the insurgents wear a certain uniform . Or do they look like civilians. Because its not like they blow up car bombs in crowded markets. Or murder people or entire familys and make it look american soldiers did it. They are always two sides each has its verison of the truth and its own propogranda. And it is not above the anti war movement to make such claims or distort the truth for they own ends
If I were to break into your home, and then killed you, would it then be up to your family to prove that I did not act in self-defense, or would it be up to me to prove that I did?
@youneac come out. No the media was not embedded with the military. and It was hardly just the american media as well as many international and national media not american were there. Yes they were informed that insurgents would attack them. So military supervision is advisable as the insurgents had kidnapped several reporters and killed them. Boycotted hardly harassed what do you mean informed and strong advised to have military protection. To avoid being kidnapped and murder ?
@Neoguivre What planet are you living on, and how did you get internet access to Earth?! Give me just 1 link to a vid from any of the occupied countries that was made independently, without military control.
You conveniently skipped over my example of the Italian news crew who were slaughtered by the US military when they returned from an independent research trip.
Or how about the WikiLeaks vid, where US reporters got butchered from a helicopter gunship. Just a few murders that made the press.
@youneac Yeah its not like the insurgents would have anyone in the anti-war movement lol. Yeah and those us reporters names were and let me guess they were in the target area with out any military units. Perhaps going into hostile areas and not telling us could get you shot. Its not like its war that people are shooting each other right >
@Neoguivre Yeah, and these reporters were on the ground, surrounded by 6 million of those evil muslims, but they got shot by their own countrymen.
But, it seems you are saying that there is no military control of the press, yet if you don't do everything under their control they'll shoot you. Strange idea of "free press" you have.
@youneac WHAT IMMORALITY? we poured water over there fucking heads. maybe we should have j ust ripped fingernails out and cut heads off, or hung people up on meat hooks and splashed acid on them. the US troops would be talked about in the just the same manner, you people make me SICK.
Firstly, waterboarding is not the only form of torture practiced, albeit the one most in the news. Secondly, if you think that being made to feel like your drowning is no big deal, then look up the instructions on it, give them to someone whom you don't like and don't trust, and submit yourself to that treatment. Until then, shut up.
@Wyndstarthedruid Committing immoral acts is nothing, because they're committing worse immoral acts elsewhere; that's your logic? This would be a good time to visit your sister, and tell her that you think it's quite okay if she got raped. After all, in other countries they're killing babies.
@youneac show me where an american soldier raped a prisoner, show me, watch your tongue, id like to see your try, my sister is a fuckin beast with a knife. and btw waterboarding TERRORISTS, BAD GUYS, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS, is not immoral. your jew logic is fail. not acceptable, the time of justice and reason is at hand, the world has no place for the likes of you.
@Wyndstarthedruid Read my previous comment again. Ask assistance from someone more affluent in English if that may help. You'll notice that I was nowhere saying that an American soldier raped a prisoner, just that your argumentation comes down to legitimizing any crime as long as someone somewhere else does something worse.
Most tortured kidnapped people were released without any conviction. What makes you believe they were all terrorists, bad guys, etc.? Because the torturers said so?
@Wyndstarthedruid The International Committee of the Red Cross, the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the International Federation for Human Rights and the World Organization Against Torture. But I guess they're all lying.
@youneac Oh and yes the anti-war movement has been proven in this nation to lie and distort information. Really look up winter soldier it was in the Vietnam war when supposed soldiers came forth telling of how they slaughter entire villages. The irony would come later as many were not even in the military and those few that were never went or lied about. Now why would the anti-war group have to lie what possible reason would they have. Perhaps they are on the payroll of our enemies
@Neoguivre And... you haven't noticed a single instance where the government that attacked Vietnam was less than completely open, honest and truthful, right?
@youneac Admittedly the government and the military probably do not tell us the complete truth. But it is impossible to make huge lies or keep the truth entirely bottled up. As our soldiers do come home and do speak of it. And there is internet in the country and media is there. And sometimes what the media does show us. Like the video I sent you off the tank running over that guys car or the leaked videos of those naked prisoners in iraq are not the nicest things.
@Neoguivre Look at how you used a limited number of atrocities committed by a small group to legitimize waging war against whole nations, seeing massive collateral damage as acceptable. In the same way, groups all over the world see similarly immoral acts perpetrated by the US as their reason to hate them and attack them with any means. I'm not just talking about open warfare here, but also about CIA sabotage, infiltrations, assassinations, funding.
@youneac Typos sorry Typed that out when i got off work. Well Umm who are you comparing Americas invasion to hmm. Russia invasion of Georgia, how about iraqs invasion of kuwait. I mean what war are you using as example of good invasion hmm. Yes the CIA is well another line of defense that works internally in other nations to prevent war. A single assassinations is preferable over a war which the offending nation and America will both have to send soldiers. And death and destruction of economy
@youneac The CIA is like a scalpel, the military is sledgehammer. I'm not defending everything the CIA has done but some of it was to prevent either a threat or possibility of threat to America. Do you think the KGB or north korean or chinese intelligence agency do not have agents in our own nation. North Korea regular has its agents commit sabotage and other stuff in south korea. So America was isolationist nation before ww2 as the American people wanted nothing to do with ww2. But we all can
@youneac Imagine how frustrated our soldiers are when they enemy strikes without warning. There is no clear way to end the threat, No base they can take out no city to invade. No government that will surrender, car bombs and IEDs. Death that comes out of the blue and claims they friends. Is incredible stressful over there. In fact we are having more soldiers that suicidal and depressed and mental health issues. So yeah there is occasional snap and occasional killing of innocent people
@youneac And watching how the SS would kill 10 russians for each death the partisans caused. I think our military is between a rock and hard place right now Everyone is watching them and yes they are being because people are accusing them of whole sale slaughter. Really only able to deal with attacks with out dealing with the source. Which we could deal with by waging a effectively cultural and PR war.
@Neoguivre Just like the 9 other journalists known to have been murdered by the US military, with statements like "his camera looked like an RPG launcher", and the 18 others of whom the Pentagon refuses to disclose the circumstances under which they were killed.
Which of course also explains why in all cases all the camera and communications equipment of the journalists were destroyed or "lost".
@youneac I really want your evidence off those 9 other journalists killed. What were the coming towards a check point in a unmarked car and refusing to stop, Hey our soldiers always have unmarked cars coming towards them and unidentified people in combat zones. Oh I really would like to know how many of those journalists deaths you are trying to push on our soldiers belong to the insurgents. I swear It was not so long ago I saw them torturing and beheading one of them.
@Neoguivre I just told you that in all cases the military "accidentally" destroyed or lost all evidence of their wrong-doing, and yet you ask for evidence that doesn't exist. Apparently you don't grasp the legal inequality during an invasion or occupation. It is military dictatorship. Rights, evidence, witnesses mean nothing, unless you are the dictator.
@youneac Okay Since I do not want to spam this chat anymore. I suggest we do this in channel comments or private messages. If you do come to my page do not mind the others. I have enraged a few others and they are showing what they really are. I must thank you for remaining civil through out our debate here. I must say it is refreshing, even through we have opposing ideals to find someone. Who doesn't go off insult laden tirades
@chingon711 You lost me here. What do any of these people and groups have to do with the atrocities committed by the US throughout the 20th and 21st century?
@chingon711 actually i think thats the exact opposite, when looking at it from a logical truthful standpoint, you would rather they come over and just live here, and we all kill ourselves? right? right? stfu.
Circumcision removes the most sensitive part of a man's penis. The five most sensitive areas of the penis are on the foreskin. The transitional region from the external to the internal foreskin is the most sensitive region of the fully intact penis, and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis.
The UN is a worthless toothless organization, and who is to say that they have more moral authority than the USA. The torture was very wrong but this government does not represent us.
Oh please, we need to torture the shit out of the Muslims. Those fuckers are showing up on our soil and performing acts of terrorism. Fuck them, we need to pull our troops home and then drop a bomb in the middle east that will kill everything alive. The Muslims don't serve any purpose other than to reek havoc on the world. If we close GITMO, where the fuck are we going to send these prisoners. We need to execute them and then close GITMO
We need to torture the fuck out of your mum for being stupid enough to let you exist.
While your stupid soldiers are out carry the dicks of oil company executives for shit money. Us muslims are getting all you best paid jobs and fucking all your women!
You sand niggers can dream the impossible if you want. Most American's fuckin hate you and want you out of America. It is just a matter of time before we start kidnapping you in our country and commit hate crimes against you and your nasty smelling women. hahahahahah. The middle east is only good for one thing, OIL. Muslims aren't good for anything at all.
• "So you would cut down the law to get at the devil? And when the last law was cut down and the devil turns around on you where would you hide , all those laws made flat. Do you realy think you could stand upright when the wind blows then? Yes ! I give the devil the benefit of the law for my own safety sake ! "
Sir Thomas Moore, High Lord Chancellor of England -Executed 1535
When we allow the law to permit torture we do far more harm than the terrorist could have dreamed for!
MrMaxTruth 8 hours ago
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Awhile back you tried to say the reason they raided american vessels was because of the slave trade ? Honestly the pirates took full part in the slave trade and even taking slaves from the captured ships
jasperwillis5385 4 months ago
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Using the excuse that they are poor as reason and excuse for violence. Is apologist stance, Tripoli is major port city and major trade route and the major city of libya. So piracy was not needed
claircote4416 4 months ago
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Just like most people who get killed for their religion get killed by religious people, and people who get killed for their ideology get killed by people with a (different) ideology.
kopi5896 4 months ago
I really want your evidence off those 9 other journalists killed. What were the coming towards a check point in a unmarked car and refusing to stop, Hey our soldiers always have unmarked cars coming towards them and unidentified people in combat zones. Oh I really would like to know how many of those journalists deaths you are trying to push on our soldiers belong to the insurgents. I swear It was not so long ago I saw them torturing and beheading one of them.
minami935 4 months ago
I have heard of messy but quick operation, But I have never heard of operation that is long and clean " . War is messy people killing each other in brutal ways.
liang8231 4 months ago
Torture was around a long fucking time before the United States.
LordHannigan 6 months ago
The End of the United States Of America's satanic empire of Lies, Murder, Theft And Destruction: with America's very own nuclear device of destruction as she took it up destructively with the violent nuclear attack and murderous act of terror on Hiroshima; So shall she die by her own device; "With Violence It Will Return Unto America's satanic empire of Lies, Murder, Theft And Destruction"
WorldAttendant 7 months ago
Amerikkka Is The Great Satan Indeed!!!
olmec19 9 months ago
torture is commonplace in the US military ... america will always shift the blame and say something like "yeah but what would the iraqis or afghans do " but i think any aggressive invading force should have no rights what so ever and deserve everything they get
TheUSAterrorist 10 months ago
Uranium from Iraq & Afghanistan is Reaching as far as Los Angeles California in Drinking Water-- with disastrous Effects--
Wind only takes 9 days to take this Radiation from Iraq to England
Bitches Eat that---
Just 1991 Nuclear Bombing of Iraq was equivalent of 250,000 NagaSaki Atom Bombs
Uranium in weapons is Holocaust ---
I hope YellowStone Super Volcano goes off soon ---
So that these ----Terrorist Christians Retards --- would taste their Own Medicine-----
watup2154 11 months ago
----Uranium in weapons is Holocaust ---
depleted Uranium Binds Very Closely with DNA -- & stays with the person ForEver ---& keep transmitting through DNA to Future Generations--
watch?v=KaN5v0wQMI4
Iraqi City Fallujah has more Radiation than Japanese Cities Nagasaki & Hiroshima
Uranium from Iraq & Afghanistan is Reaching as far as Los Angeles California in Drinking Water-- with disastrous Effects--
watup2154 11 months ago
These Christian Terrorist have Massacred innocent Women and Children? on Every
Continent of Our World--
100 Million Native Americans (95% of their Population)
20 Million Vietnamese
20 Million Koreans
100 Million Iraqis (21 yrs War + Sanction on Children's Food + Medicine)
20 Million Africans (by "Lynching" & Colonizing , just in Algeria 1million outta 3 million were Massacred by French)
10 Million Afghans
Just 1991 Nuclear Bombing of Iraq was equivalent of 250,000 NagaSaki Atom Bombs
watup2154 11 months ago
@watup2154
Those numbers are way too high.
GodOfTheInternets 7 months ago
@watup2154 The estimated population of America when Europeans arrived was no more than 3-5 million. How could the 'Christian terrorists' wipe out 100 million? I know the points you're making but your figures are wildly innacurate. 100 millon Iraqi's? They would be extinct as Iraq has 31.2 million today!! You're points are interesting but you undermine them with crazy statistics.
tirnaog09 1 month ago
We must understand our unalienable Rights are part of the Laws of Nature, not manmade. When viewing these Rights from the vantage point of science, it becomes clear they apply to all Life, from bacteria to humans, and Social systems, including Charles Darwin’s research; as in some Grand Unification principle for all Living-systems (see my channel video). The Laws of Nature trumps mortals in power; a new understanding of these Rights may help make this world a better place to live.
Mike10four 1 year ago
Obama's chosen a strange way to 'change' our image. Seems to me maybe the way you do that is you STOP doing things that make you the terrorist of the world. Obama has simply continued the murder and occupation. Nothing is different.
Conspiracy2Riot 1 year ago
Thanks you UN - from a concerned American!
EUamerican 1 year ago
Just like Israel kills Palestinian prisoners and sells their organs for profit.
These are the children of Satan.
karlkarlkarl1234 1 year ago
Its about time. There's torture going on not only abroad, but right here inside the United States. There's a million different ways to torture people, and they don't necessarily involve water.
cobrachoppergirl 1 year ago 2
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A lesson to US:
shut the fuck up and mind your own business !!!
maomao667 1 year ago 2
All is fair in war. So what innocent people get killed and tortured. That is just the way it is. Fuck the muslims in the middle east.
checkers1245 1 year ago
I'm thinking of the human rights records of the members of the UN Human Rights Council.
cloudberry121 1 year ago
THANKS TO THE LIBERAL TRADERS !
georgesorosisgay 1 year ago
US image was bad before Bush, and got worse after him. It isn't something new..
NKSU35 1 year ago
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6Alpha6Beta6 1 year ago
Obama is such a pussy, and a no good low life n!gger! Fk what haters say I wouldn't of let them have a review, I would tell them to suck my *****. These muskims deserve what they got ....
BullCatification 1 year ago
You want to know what a war crime is. Well Africa can show you whole villages slaughtered by machetes hacked to bloody pieces. Fuck closing gitmo that is not even human rights abuse. TORTURE Honestly Russiatoday and the rest of the world . You have no room to speak and America is superior in these regards over Venezuela and cuba
Neoguivre 1 year ago
I mean if anyone wants to lecture america on human rights abuse because of water boarding. You should really go cross into north korea and let them capture you. There you will see what true human rights abuse is. The have babies born into concentration camps. They use entire families as test subjects for lethal chemical weapon. You would be thanking whatever deity you worship if you were luckily enough to get waterboard and just that
Neoguivre 1 year ago
U.S. always likes to lecture others, while not following their own advice.
Mutaborum 1 year ago
whats new here? everybody uses torture, because its a useful thing when finding information.
yuraslapabitch 1 year ago
@yuraslapabitch Torture has never been a reliable means of extracting information. It is ultimately self-defeating as a means of control. One wonders why it is still practiced.
RudiVanDizzario 1 year ago
@RudiVanDizzario because how else do you get information, when it only exists inside a persons mind? :\
yuraslapabitch 1 year ago
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Joel 3
"1 For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Yisrayl, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.
3 And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.
derekdb2 1 year ago
Unfortunately is money men that rule over governments which are the ones that should be put out of action. The puppet governments are there to take the heat and act as a smoke screen for the sinister action of the few that control the country through the government. This is what I call organized network of criminals which even abuse the justice system to prevent them from been tried in any court. As far as democracy goes, it doesn't exist!
elite1980s 1 year ago
@elite1980s
Thats's the side effects of capitalism when it has gone too far. I agree to your conclution 100%!
Jasminewynja 1 year ago
i love the bandwagon to hate on america for torture, REALLY? the worst thing that happened is water boarding, those people cant die from it, they dont even bleed or have bruises afterwords, are you fucking kidding? in russia the kgb does 20x worse shit, and in korea , and saddam huessein, are you fucking serious? get your heads out of your ass world.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
I thought Obama closed Guantánamo Bay??? He said he would in his election campaign. Right after he brought all US troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan??? He was then awarded the Nobel Peace Prize because of these actions???
What??? It was all bullshit???
RudiVanDizzario 1 year ago
No only Russia can lecture about human rights.
shishlik86 1 year ago
@shishlik86 No one in the world can lecture about human rights. No one. Ever.
RudiVanDizzario 1 year ago
@RudiVanDizzario I can agree about that, no country is perfect.
shishlik86 1 year ago
@shishlik86 No russia cant either soviet killing how many anti communist hmmm How many people did stalin kill in his purges
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Im not even talking about soviet Russia, Im talking about Putins Russia, todays Russia, its not a democracy you know.
And you didnt have to be anti communist so that Stalin would kill you, considered as a threat for his rule and you would be killed. More over most of the people died in the Gulags labor camps with extremely hard conditions. If the ragime needed more employees, than they found more 'traitors".
shishlik86 1 year ago
@shishlik86 Oh yes the russia who has invaded georgia. And at with Chechnya ? Wasnt there something in the news about russian special forces executing captives with out a trial ? hmm What about the reports of raiding and stealing while invading geogria.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre We have all seen this. I dont know exactly whoes more right about this conflict between Russia and georgia, but it is sure that Russia has done some war crimes there. But no Goldstone was sent threre. I mentioned Russia because RT is Russian TV without any criticism of the Russian government. But lots of criticism on Israel and the US.
shishlik86 1 year ago
@shishlik86 Fair enough my point is that I think America is probably the most humane nation. This is not just because I live there. But because america is the worlds still premier super power. And as such not only are the eyes of our media and that of the worlds focused on Americas every move. I think anyone sense ww1 who was a prisoner of war in america would tell you it wasnt bad. As some nations are down right in violation of humans rights. I can't respect the u.n human rights group
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@shishlik86 When they have cuba of all nations as member of human rights. That is like having a cannibal serial killer as the surgeon general. Hell another u.n member north korea is violating every single human rights law laid down. But hey america waterboards a few insurgents oh no we cant have that now can we. Forget the genocides in Africa forget Muslim law ruling nations. Forget communist nations starving and mass murdering oh no its about america water boarding
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre I can agree with you about this. More over I believe that in matters of definite information terror attack I believe that getting information from a prisoner in such ways like shaking and slaping are acceptable.
shishlik86 1 year ago
anyone honestly expect anything to come of this?
seriously, if the US just said "fuck this", what would anyone really DO about it?
pyr666 1 year ago
Cant polish a turd
nikto2000 1 year ago
human rights wat about human rights in the lands which they are freeing from the evil controlling relgion that hurts children and woman oh and if you need me to state how ok by stoning ladys and raping children sick relgion is a form of control and is evil paganism is the first reglion we have forgotten the way of peace
markjoachen 1 year ago
Russia Today should be re named US today, obsessed with the US. RT makes a case out that US has fake democracy to obfuscate downplay Russian fake democracy. lol. Russia will be left behind again, always 100 yrs behind the rest of the world. US can and will lecture and slap you in the face and youll like it. because USA still the most civilised country. This channel is the worst load of commie BS. What sub reptilian hopes of brainwashing anyone does this channel have. the mildly retarded nashi.
schindlerslist1 1 year ago
@schindlerslist1 lol
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@schindlerslist1haha true no matter how much anti american propaganda Russian government spreads its will always be the loser.
aciamanusa 1 year ago
Twats bitching about america human rights violations and torture and yet have not idea what kinda of torture and human rights violations happen in other u.n nations
Neoguivre 1 year ago
This is the same UN that just appointed Iran and Saudi Arabia to the Women's Rights council? Only if they're going to champion human rights, you don't put the abusers in charge!
xenubarb 1 year ago
Fun fact: Cuba is a founding member of the UN Human Rights Council, and the US is not.
Castro already said that the US has no place criticizing anyone for human rights violations. Looks like people are finally starting to realize that.
TheCanadianLeninist 1 year ago 2
@TheCanadianLeninist Ho many people did Castro have slaughtered in the revolution hmm. Tell me honestly idiot would you rather be in a Cuban prison or American prisoner of war. You think America water boarding is bad. You have no clue hat Cuba does. Cuba has violated nearly every human rights charter in existence
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@TheCanadianLeninist Human Rights Watch is among international human rights organizations accusing the Cuban government of systematic human rights abuses, including torture, arbitrary imprisonment, unfair trials, and extrajudicial executions (a.k.a. "El Paredón") FACT
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@TheCanadianLeninist In 1973, gay writer Reinaldo Arenas was sent to prison after being charged and convicted of 'ideological deviation' and for publishing abroad without official consent. He escaped from prison and tried to leave Cuba by launching himself from the shore on a tire inner tube. The attempt failed and he was re-arrested near Lenin Park and imprisoned at the notorious El Morro Castle alongside murderers and rapists.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@TheCanadianLeninist The Cuban American National Foundation states that since the revolution 12,000 political executions have taken place. Dr. Armando Lago, of the Association for the Study of the Cuban Economy, a group of academics whose board of directors is almost entirely Cuban exiles,states that between 15,000 and 18,000 Cubans were executed for counterrevolutionary activities since the revolution.. There is the cuban human rights for you
Neoguivre 1 year ago
On the one below as to there being no true Americans. I both agree and disagree. The true Americans are not Americans in the first place. They are the Native Americans. I think as well that it is there Tribe which they may go by anyhow. I am not sure on that since I am only 20 percent Cherokee.
rh1507 1 year ago
@rh1507 And native americans are not true natives either having come from Asia. So Yeah native american my ass. It has been proven through genetics native americans are nothing but mongoloids (( scientific name for Asians )). Yes join us your asian brothers Japanese chinese koreans and all those between
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre just so YOU know, it has been proven that iroquis and cherokee share so much european blood they are unmistakeable to eastern europeans. europeans crossed over to north american on ships loooong before any asiatic people crossed the land bridge, except for the inuit, but nobody knows how long they have been there.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Just so you know the land bridge exist between 70000 and 11000 years ago. Vikings may have come during the dark ages. But the first true immigration by boat by europeans was way after the land bridge was gone 69000 years it was there. So yeah fail
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@rh1507 actually your only 10 percent cherokee and 10 percent european, cherokees have tons of european blood in them. and its way before the colonists.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid no it is actually just no
Neoguivre 1 year ago
finally...
cuf53 1 year ago
I think this topic about UN criticizing USA can be very tricky I dont believe all of it.. 95% of the UNO is controlled and managed by the USA anyways..
ReplayKCF 1 year ago
there are not the TRUE Americans ! Only the True Americans can TEACH about Human Rights .-. thx
Pemon66 1 year ago
This is not the country of our civics class. We have to take it back. People who do drugs and drink need to go to class not jail. People who speed need to get tickets only if they crash. People who run red lights need tickets only if the crash. We have way too may cops worrying way too much about how you walk, stand, and sleep. Its got to stop. I have been saying to 20 years we are losing our rights as free human beings with every hiring of a government worker.
btigtime2 1 year ago
It's a good thing that the UN warns the US. With the inevitable further decline of the empire, the US are likely to become more aggressive and dangerous to world safety. Having a country with no morals, a country that invades, destroys, murders and tortures, that also has a huge nuclear arsenal which it has already used is worrisome at the least.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Decline Yes just like that recession. Dont get your hopes up when america remains the world power then your on your death bed . Nasa, Oh and the internet do you know what nation controls most of it ? Hmm a country that invades sorry no when you attack some else that is bigger and stronger then you and then come to your home and beat you down for it. Murder lol is that what you call it combatants death in combat now murder. Torture please you want to see torture
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Really? You are totally oblivious to the fact that the perpetrators of 9/11 were Saudi's, you know, the nation that the US is now selling billions of dollars worth of military equipment to, and that ther was never even the suspicion that Iraq was involved in this in any way?
Oh, and, ignoring the evidence of murders of civilians on WikiLeaks, shooting innocent families, then putting some guns on them and claim they were combatants is a trick as old as the US invasion of Korea.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac So let me take apart your argument piece by piece. The saudi’s do you mean the saudi government. Anyway lets carry on, Ever hear of something called the winter soldier. You know those “ soldiers “ in the vientam war whole told stories of how they slaughtered innocent people. But that is not the best part of that story, no it is that just a little thing. See the thing is that you have to actually be in the united states military. Or better yet even in vietnam.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac really? you do realize 9/11 was done by the US government.....as a false flag terror incident by which to enforce its homeland security and making the US a police state. GET YOUR HEAD. OUT. OF YOUR. ASS!
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid I'm pretty sure 9/11 was done by Saudi's. But if you mean "the US government was complicit" then I absolutely agree. With the level of manipulation, strong-arming and subversion that the US government has been committing in foreign countries, especially in the Middle East and Nothern Africa, it was only a matter of time before a response in kind would come from there. Whether the US government was in on the planning of the attacks is hardly relevant.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac if your pretty sure on that you need to research the facts.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Facts don't need to be researched; they have been. That's why they are facts. It's the lies and secrets that need to be researched, so that the facts are uncovered.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac On October 11th, 1784, Moroccan pirates seized the brigantine Betsey[This first act of piracy against the United States ended in a positive light, as the Spanish government negotiated the freedom of the captured ship and crew; however, Spain offered advice to the United States over how to deal with the Barbary States. The advice was to offer tribute to prevent further attacks against merchant ships
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre It'd have been appropriate to mention the source of this quote.
In the same article you can read that the French had been providing protection for US ships, but the US neglected the alliance with France out of fear of getting drawn into a war with Great Britain.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac And yet the Muslims pirates still attack shipping. They even attack our shipping lanes. So they committed the first acts of recorded violence with the united states of America. So please drop the whole America started the war with Muslim Insurgents. For as long as Islam has been a major religion it has attacked its neighbors invaded peaceful nations slaughter Jew and Christians. Try to invade europe but were pushed back by the crusades. And your surprised that they start violence
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre You are talking about the USA that came to be through genocide on the native population, right?
The US didn't start the war with muslim insurgents, it created them. It was the US who introduced muslim extremist Sayyid Qutb to financier Osama Bin Laden, for the purpose of helping the Mujaheddin become a more powerful resistance against the Soviets in Afghanistan. But, as Frankenstein already taught us: you can create a monster, but you can't control it after that.
youneac 1 year ago
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@youneac THE US DID NOT CREATE THEM YOU IDIOT!
georgesorosisgay 1 year ago
@youneac LOL you actually believe the apologist revisionist history about the supposed genocide of the native americans. Well hmm lets see what really happen, you of course know that native Americans raid and attack slaughtering entire settlements. Effectively it was a war between the colonist and native americans as much sides attacked and killed each other. What sealed the fate of the native Americans was there Isolation. It prevent them from getting immunity from the diseases brought over
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Ah, so that's what "conquistadores" means: settlers who get raided and slaughtered by Indians. I guess it must have been the Indians themselves then who brought all those golden artifacts to Spain and Portugal.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac So we have want from America, To Mexico and the Spanish And actually yes when the Native Americans raided settlements, They either killed all of the settlers and kept the females selling them in sexually slavery down in mexico. And lastly it was more because the native americans isolation that caused they own fall. And allow simple diseases to become major because they had no outside contact with the world
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre My, my, you really are the poster boy for successful brainwashing! Everything was ever done in the history of the US was with the cleanest and healthiest of motivations, and all the countries, organizations, groups and people who suffered from the deeds of the US have only themselves to blame.
The fact that you're so vehemently defending this reasoning shows that deep inside you know there's something wrong with it, but you just can't break the spell, can you?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac No No Who is more effectively brainwashed here me or you. It takes more skill to turn a person into a self hater and apologist and believing revisionist history. Of course America and of course people suffered but you incorrectly said it was planned genocide on the part of the settlers. You absolutely refuse to see that the native Americans are partially responsible for what happen to them. They isolation, they attacks against settlers. It was not a genocide as it was more turf war
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac I mean you have been effectively brainwashed through your life. From the liberal leaning schools to the very textbooks. You have been so trained into one way of thinking. And that is America is at all fault for everything that no else is at fault or has any responsibility in what has happen. And that thinking any other way is probably actually physical painful for you I mean just a look at you page really you buy into the false flag bull. Now tell me how rich have your leaders in that
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac cult become from selling you half-truths and misinformation. And you would believe it because you have been taught all your life to be ashamed of America. That we are the bad guys, I Suggest you first get some therapy then you turn off CNN or whatevver brand of the liberal media off, and actually think for yourself.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac To fight communism in Afghanistan. Yeah but the really reason they attacked America. Well if you really want to get a inside on it Check out My trip to al-queda. It has some surprising evidence for you
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac In March 1785, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli's envoy in London, Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman (or Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja). Upon inquiring "concerning the ground of the pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury", the ambassador replied:
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac It was written in their Qu'ran, that all nations which had not acknowledged the Prophet were sinners, whom it was the right and duty of the faithful to plunder and enslave; and that every Muslim who was slain in this warfare was sure to go to paradise.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre You mean like the way the "pilgrims" slaughtered, enslaved and poisoned the native Americans, claiming were doing so in the name of their god?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Because its not like other nations can not figure out how Americas PR and media can easily turn people against the war. And they are so many willing Americas who will distort information and lie about the war for them. Why don't you move over to a E.U nation
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Please enlighten me on how it is more likely for the media to aim to turn people against the war than make propaganda for it.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac And I must apogolize for not remaining civil the entire debate. I have been annoyed with several other users, And that might of bleed into our debate. So I thank you again for staying civil. But back to the debate. So the wars are not white washed there is dirt there and shown. The likelihood is it is somewhere between our two individual stances. Probably not as bad as what you are saying and not as entirely good as I'm saying, I most do that out of respect for our soldiers
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre I know how some people can tempt you to lose your cool here on YT. Few ever apologize for doing so, which makes it even more appreciable that you do. Apology accepted.
I was not implying that all was black, and I know you aren't trying to claim the opposite. Soldiers are our last line of defense when other measures. It is exactly therefore that we should fight for their ability to do their work honorably, not corrupted by a dishonest government or by bad apples in their ranks.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Agree that ww2 was necessary and that America should of become involved early. America is also slow to react will I Meany in military based offensive at least. So the CIA gets its hands dirty and does black ops things to prevent america having to go to war. By having others fight our enemies. Now has the CIA committed some horrible acts probably more then likely yes, But that is the nature of the beast . Here is a quote for you
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac " I have heard of messy but quick operation, But I have never heard of operation that is long and clean " . War is messy people killing each other in brutal ways. But this is not a conventional fight Like ww2 was our enemy does not were a uniform like the nazis were so kind to do. Our enemy is not tangible and can melt away into the populace. They blow up crowded markets just to kill American soldiers, Lay ieds and set car bombs with a complete lack of concern for the own people .
Neoguivre 1 year ago
How should our soldiers act in a war like these ? A old man crossing the street could just be going to get some food or be carrying a bomb. Or others weapons so yeah with a enemy who seems to want to increase civilian deaths as high as they can. This is still relatively clean for our military which is a sledge hammer. You know Russia , China, North korea , Cuba, Venezuela would kill 10 civilians on purpose for ever death of they soldiers. Russia put this into practice after fighting Germany
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre MAYBE THEIR TRYNNA TELL US TO GET THE FUCK OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY AND THE MADNESS WILL END .. PEOPLE TEND TO GET THAT WAY WHEN THEIR INVADED.
princethaceleb 1 year ago
@youneac I will still respond to you here if you want to. But you should be able to comment or send messages to me
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac Oh Yes its Americas fault that the middle east or the Muslims hate us. Only one problem it was the Muslim pirates who first killed and stole from American shipping. In fact that is the reason we even have navy. Your attempt to answer my question with a question failures utterly. Since you trying to make in sound like it is robbery or break in. When in fact it is a war with armed combatants. I don't think going up to the house and knocking and asking politely for the bad guys to
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Yes, I know the story on how the Berbers believed that slave trade was immoral, and attacked the ships of countries who visited the region for those purposes. It had little to do with their religion, as other muslim countries like Turkey were all to eager to help and make a buck.
Are you so well indoctrinated that you can't see that there's something wrong with the mantra that the ones who are invaded are the bad guys, and the invaders, looters and destroyers the white hats?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac The war stemmed from the Barbary pirates’ attacks upon American merchant shipping in an attempt to extort ransom for the lives of captured sailors, and ultimately tribute from the United States to avoid further attacks, much like their standard operating procedure with the various European states.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Piracy had been a way of life around the Mediterranean for centuries (read e.g. Homer). The British, complaining about pirates around 1800, had been committing piracy there themselves until 50 years earlier.
Many European states combated Piracy. The French, the Dutch and the British fought piracy aggressively. Contrary to popular belief in the US, the Dutch and the British played a major role in the Barbary Wars, providing most of the vessels and soldiers.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Russia, Cuba, iran, China, North korea. This are all nations that employ very brutal torture on prisoners in the past and today. Actually torture, such a nail pulling,cutting of pieces of they victims shocking them. A little seep deprivation and water boarding is the worse you are going to get in America after you try to kill them. LOL Fucking idiot
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Ah, The Fascist Handbook, chapter 2: when exposed for immoral acts, respond by pointing at others and thus divert the attention. Well done!
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac
So the whole they planted weapons on innocent people to cover up them killing people argument. Oh that is loaded question that has no really answer. Has it happen probaly are those soldiers punished for it yeah. Is it the norm probaly no, just not because the media is looking directly at iraq and afghastian. Not just americas but the international one. And the fact that some people in those countries have internet to upload the evidence.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre You mean the media who were embedded with the US military, and threatened that they would get shot if they tried to explore without supervision of the military? The ones who were censored by the military, and boycotted and harassed by the US government if they deviated? Like the Italians who got "accidentally" shot by the US while being "rescued"?
And you mean the internet that was blocked from deployment in Iraq and Afghanistan by the US, as it would "help the terrorists"?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Oh the internet was blocked and where did you get this information from hmm. Of course so what about the winter soldier. We now know that the anti-war movement will lie. And will distort and use people who have never ever been soldiers. As actually soldiers. So how much do you think the anti-war/ insurgents will lie and wage a pr war against america. Which the american left media is all too willing take the worst and make it even worse
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Ah, of course! The ones objecting to war are the liars, and the ones perpetrating it are telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. After all, they've got nothing to hide, right? No worries about secrets that might leak out through, let's say, WikiLeaks.
Soldiers are brainwashed. That's a part of their job. They need to believe that what they do is right, no matter how abhorrent and inhuman, otherwise they can't do their job.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Pirate ships and crews from the North African states of Tripoli, Tunis, and Algiers (the Barbary Coast), although nominally governed by the Ottoman Empire, were the scourge of the Mediterranean. Capturing merchant ships and enslaving or ransoming their crews provided the Muslim rulers of these nations with wealth and naval power.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Straight from the Jefferson Papers. Which shows that even experts can be wrong. Tripoli was never a state, but a semi-independent city in Syria. Tunis and Algiers are just cities in Tunisia and Algeria, at that time all Ottoman colonies.
In Piracy In The Ancient World (ISBN 9780801855054) you can read that these cities by no means lived in wealth, but barely survived, and resorted to income from piracy to keep the Ottomans from destroying them (like they did with the Zirids).
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac I think they meant city states. "Barbary" was not always a unified political entity. From the 16th century onwards, it was divided into the familiar political entities of Algiers, Tunis, and Tripolitania (Tripoli). Major rulers during the times of the barbary states' plundering parties were the Pasha or Dey of Algiers, the Bey of Tunis and the Bey of Tripoli, all subjects, who were anxious to get rid of the Ottoman sultan, but who were de facto independent rulers.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac Using the excuse that they are poor as reason and excuse for violence. Is apologist stance, Tripoli is major port city and major trade route and the major city of libya. So piracy was not needed
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Read the book.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac As well as put them back holding them in stagnate position. Now back to the reporters. No see why they are told to travel with Americans is really simple. Because it is still a active hot zone that guess what when you travel unidentified with out informing The Coalition were you will be. And you go into battle zone you going to be shot at accidentally maybe but shot at. Now I think I remember the event you talking about They were traveling in a unmarked vehicles towards americans
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac He said, also, that the man who was the first to board a vessel had one slave over and above his share, and that when they sprang to the deck of an enemy's ship, every sailor held a dagger in each hand and a third in his mouth; which usually struck such terror into the foe that they cried out for quarter at once.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac Awhile back you tried to say the reason they raided american vessels was because of the slave trade ? Honestly the pirates took full part in the slave trade and even taking slaves from the captured ships
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Just like most people who get killed for their religion get killed by religious people, and people who get killed for their ideology get killed by people with a (different) ideology.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac But here let me ask you a loaded question as well. Do you think that the insurgents wear a certain uniform . Or do they look like civilians. Because its not like they blow up car bombs in crowded markets. Or murder people or entire familys and make it look american soldiers did it. They are always two sides each has its verison of the truth and its own propogranda. And it is not above the anti war movement to make such claims or distort the truth for they own ends
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Let me answer that with a question:
If I were to break into your home, and then killed you, would it then be up to your family to prove that I did not act in self-defense, or would it be up to me to prove that I did?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac come out. No the media was not embedded with the military. and It was hardly just the american media as well as many international and national media not american were there. Yes they were informed that insurgents would attack them. So military supervision is advisable as the insurgents had kidnapped several reporters and killed them. Boycotted hardly harassed what do you mean informed and strong advised to have military protection. To avoid being kidnapped and murder ?
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre What planet are you living on, and how did you get internet access to Earth?! Give me just 1 link to a vid from any of the occupied countries that was made independently, without military control.
You conveniently skipped over my example of the Italian news crew who were slaughtered by the US military when they returned from an independent research trip.
Or how about the WikiLeaks vid, where US reporters got butchered from a helicopter gunship. Just a few murders that made the press.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Yeah its not like the insurgents would have anyone in the anti-war movement lol. Yeah and those us reporters names were and let me guess they were in the target area with out any military units. Perhaps going into hostile areas and not telling us could get you shot. Its not like its war that people are shooting each other right >
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Yeah, and these reporters were on the ground, surrounded by 6 million of those evil muslims, but they got shot by their own countrymen.
But, it seems you are saying that there is no military control of the press, yet if you don't do everything under their control they'll shoot you. Strange idea of "free press" you have.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac WHAT IMMORALITY? we poured water over there fucking heads. maybe we should have j ust ripped fingernails out and cut heads off, or hung people up on meat hooks and splashed acid on them. the US troops would be talked about in the just the same manner, you people make me SICK.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Ah, excuse by downplaying. Another good one.
Firstly, waterboarding is not the only form of torture practiced, albeit the one most in the news. Secondly, if you think that being made to feel like your drowning is no big deal, then look up the instructions on it, give them to someone whom you don't like and don't trust, and submit yourself to that treatment. Until then, shut up.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac LMFAO, compared to the shit they do in other countries, yeah, its nothing.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Committing immoral acts is nothing, because they're committing worse immoral acts elsewhere; that's your logic? This would be a good time to visit your sister, and tell her that you think it's quite okay if she got raped. After all, in other countries they're killing babies.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac show me where an american soldier raped a prisoner, show me, watch your tongue, id like to see your try, my sister is a fuckin beast with a knife. and btw waterboarding TERRORISTS, BAD GUYS, EVIL MOTHERFUCKERS, is not immoral. your jew logic is fail. not acceptable, the time of justice and reason is at hand, the world has no place for the likes of you.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Read my previous comment again. Ask assistance from someone more affluent in English if that may help. You'll notice that I was nowhere saying that an American soldier raped a prisoner, just that your argumentation comes down to legitimizing any crime as long as someone somewhere else does something worse.
Most tortured kidnapped people were released without any conviction. What makes you believe they were all terrorists, bad guys, etc.? Because the torturers said so?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac where the fuck do you get your info at, msnbc for dummies?
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid Or how about leaked reports that prove it? Knowledge is power.
AustinRules69 1 year ago
@Wyndstarthedruid The International Committee of the Red Cross, the UK Foreign and Commonwealth Office, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, the International Federation for Human Rights and the World Organization Against Torture. But I guess they're all lying.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Oh and yes the anti-war movement has been proven in this nation to lie and distort information. Really look up winter soldier it was in the Vietnam war when supposed soldiers came forth telling of how they slaughter entire villages. The irony would come later as many were not even in the military and those few that were never went or lied about. Now why would the anti-war group have to lie what possible reason would they have. Perhaps they are on the payroll of our enemies
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre And... you haven't noticed a single instance where the government that attacked Vietnam was less than completely open, honest and truthful, right?
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Admittedly the government and the military probably do not tell us the complete truth. But it is impossible to make huge lies or keep the truth entirely bottled up. As our soldiers do come home and do speak of it. And there is internet in the country and media is there. And sometimes what the media does show us. Like the video I sent you off the tank running over that guys car or the leaked videos of those naked prisoners in iraq are not the nicest things.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
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Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Look at how you used a limited number of atrocities committed by a small group to legitimize waging war against whole nations, seeing massive collateral damage as acceptable. In the same way, groups all over the world see similarly immoral acts perpetrated by the US as their reason to hate them and attack them with any means. I'm not just talking about open warfare here, but also about CIA sabotage, infiltrations, assassinations, funding.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Typos sorry Typed that out when i got off work. Well Umm who are you comparing Americas invasion to hmm. Russia invasion of Georgia, how about iraqs invasion of kuwait. I mean what war are you using as example of good invasion hmm. Yes the CIA is well another line of defense that works internally in other nations to prevent war. A single assassinations is preferable over a war which the offending nation and America will both have to send soldiers. And death and destruction of economy
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac The CIA is like a scalpel, the military is sledgehammer. I'm not defending everything the CIA has done but some of it was to prevent either a threat or possibility of threat to America. Do you think the KGB or north korean or chinese intelligence agency do not have agents in our own nation. North Korea regular has its agents commit sabotage and other stuff in south korea. So America was isolationist nation before ww2 as the American people wanted nothing to do with ww2. But we all can
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac Imagine how frustrated our soldiers are when they enemy strikes without warning. There is no clear way to end the threat, No base they can take out no city to invade. No government that will surrender, car bombs and IEDs. Death that comes out of the blue and claims they friends. Is incredible stressful over there. In fact we are having more soldiers that suicidal and depressed and mental health issues. So yeah there is occasional snap and occasional killing of innocent people
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac And watching how the SS would kill 10 russians for each death the partisans caused. I think our military is between a rock and hard place right now Everyone is watching them and yes they are being because people are accusing them of whole sale slaughter. Really only able to deal with attacks with out dealing with the source. Which we could deal with by waging a effectively cultural and PR war.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@youneac They did not stop and did not identify themselves and were shot because they behaved like suicidal car bomber
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre Just like the 9 other journalists known to have been murdered by the US military, with statements like "his camera looked like an RPG launcher", and the 18 others of whom the Pentagon refuses to disclose the circumstances under which they were killed.
Which of course also explains why in all cases all the camera and communications equipment of the journalists were destroyed or "lost".
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac I really want your evidence off those 9 other journalists killed. What were the coming towards a check point in a unmarked car and refusing to stop, Hey our soldiers always have unmarked cars coming towards them and unidentified people in combat zones. Oh I really would like to know how many of those journalists deaths you are trying to push on our soldiers belong to the insurgents. I swear It was not so long ago I saw them torturing and beheading one of them.
Neoguivre 1 year ago
@Neoguivre I just told you that in all cases the military "accidentally" destroyed or lost all evidence of their wrong-doing, and yet you ask for evidence that doesn't exist. Apparently you don't grasp the legal inequality during an invasion or occupation. It is military dictatorship. Rights, evidence, witnesses mean nothing, unless you are the dictator.
youneac 1 year ago
@youneac Okay Since I do not want to spam this chat anymore. I suggest we do this in channel comments or private messages. If you do come to my page do not mind the others. I have enraged a few others and they are showing what they really are. I must thank you for remaining civil through out our debate here. I must say it is refreshing, even through we have opposing ideals to find someone. Who doesn't go off insult laden tirades
Neoguivre 1 year ago
Human Rights Violations will continue dispite this UN stage show, and its not gonna stop for shit. Violations exist because New World Order exists.
MiClLC 1 year ago
thank you tea party, faux news, savage, glenn beck and the like for putting the lives of ordinary americans at risk.
chingon711 1 year ago
@chingon711 You lost me here. What do any of these people and groups have to do with the atrocities committed by the US throughout the 20th and 21st century?
youneac 1 year ago
@chingon711 actually i think thats the exact opposite, when looking at it from a logical truthful standpoint, you would rather they come over and just live here, and we all kill ourselves? right? right? stfu.
Wyndstarthedruid 1 year ago
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freedom0speech 1 year ago
The UN is a worthless toothless organization, and who is to say that they have more moral authority than the USA. The torture was very wrong but this government does not represent us.
Graham6762 1 year ago
Oh please, we need to torture the shit out of the Muslims. Those fuckers are showing up on our soil and performing acts of terrorism. Fuck them, we need to pull our troops home and then drop a bomb in the middle east that will kill everything alive. The Muslims don't serve any purpose other than to reek havoc on the world. If we close GITMO, where the fuck are we going to send these prisoners. We need to execute them and then close GITMO
checkers1245 1 year ago
@checkers1245 ahhahahaha you stupid, brainwashed sheep...
ichigo73186 1 year ago
@checkers1245
We need to torture the fuck out of your mum for being stupid enough to let you exist.
While your stupid soldiers are out carry the dicks of oil company executives for shit money. Us muslims are getting all you best paid jobs and fucking all your women!
usardogcuntcrabs 1 year ago
@usardogcuntcrabs
Great, can I watch..ahahahah
You sand niggers can dream the impossible if you want. Most American's fuckin hate you and want you out of America. It is just a matter of time before we start kidnapping you in our country and commit hate crimes against you and your nasty smelling women. hahahahahah. The middle east is only good for one thing, OIL. Muslims aren't good for anything at all.
checkers1245 1 year ago