ifu think that mma fighters are better than traditional fighters i think ur wrong the theory in chinneese martial art is totally diffrent than mma , mma to me is just glory fide streetfighting
@adov3 MMA is a theater art designed for bright lights and slow motion instant replay. It takes much of it's style from historic Pro-wrestling, now with new and improved conditioning and pain compliance techniques. Traditional Chinese Martial arts was closely tied to theatrical rituals over centuries and so has lots of mime, flash and character development stuff. They both work well enough to do real damage, should the need arise.
MMA more conditioning, strength and power than technique, da best have good timing, technique & fighting skill, chinese arts more about using principles and effortless power, some one who had all the training in chinese arts and conditioning of mma would have great stand up. Chinese arts tend to emphasise sensitivity as well. Ground work no good in street as broken glass, needles and other things on floor, plus anyone can come and jump on your head while ur down there. (bite, gauge anti grap)
i don't know about other martial arts, but in the art I practise, the ground is to be avoided. like mr. xu said, you should be the one standing while they are on the ground. it is far from useless, but we try and avoid it. i'm curious about other martial artists' thoughts on groundfighting (not about mma fanboys' opinions tho)
i had the extremely enlightening opportunity to meet this gentleman twice in my life. im not sure what conditioning he undergoes, but at 70 years young this man told me how he was going to hit me beforehand both times, and then did it. very slowly and at short range, i felt everything i did to stop it was for not. it felt like getting hit by an iron bar... not fun.
If there were modern day communities or tribes of people, who trained different styles/schools of martial arts, with the sole purpose of killing others in melee combat, or be killed themselves - then, maybe, these "Fighter X vs Fighter Y" types of scenarios would have some hypothetical value, but in my immediate opinion: nobody today trains melee figting for the sake of dedicating their lives to mortal combat, in some form or other. So the last "step" is always an extrapolation-i.e. speculation
Something happened there... it was supposed to start: the biggest weakness of MMA as a "self-defence system". It stands to reason that other martial arts, have other weaknesses. That being said; it is often brought up that this or that MMA superstar could beat, this or that martial artist. I don't see the point, however.. these guys train much more extensively and intensively that most anyone else involved in "fighting art", so obviously they have an edge right there.
MMA as a "self-defence system", is that when you are on the ground in a "non-tournament" situation, there is no referee to prevent anyone else from interfering - AND if a guy has a hidden blade or such, it is difficult to avoid getting cut or stabbed in such close quarters.
so i guess before mma became big, nobody ever defended themselves on the street? its sill to always compare to mma, they are pro atletes, etc martial arts all work fine with a competent training routine(mma is great also)
Groundfighting is important, in this day and age - always, for self defence purposes. But it wasn't so important for conquering neighbouring states. And really, if we're being really honest, if MMA was genuinely no rules, its flaovur would be quite different - no one would stand and grapple if they could help it, because of the dangers. Sure, many fights go to the ground in the 'street'- but maybe only because the participants are either too useless to avoid it - or take advantage?
I agree with the idea that masters need to exchange information BUT a very big mistake is to have an intellectual and verbal criticism without being able to back it up physically. That weakens and dilutes martial arts. Have your opinion but be able to show that it has merit.
continued: this was later proven again when people fought in a no rules situation in the first ufc. Now I love Chinese martial arts, but am willing to accept that ground fighting is sorely lacking in these styles.
I don't think there is a Chinese master alive today that could beat guys like Chuck Lidell and Silva in a street fight.
Its true that when you introduce weapons its different, but the same assertion could be made about weapons vs unarmed kung fu.
Hi Mixjourneyman. I think you are missing something. Lidell and Silva use extensive conditioning. George Xu does very little conditioning. For him, getting those guys to submit is highly unlikely. So beating them means either a sudden knockout or a kill. George Xu doesn't use "techniques" either, that's why he says he can do on the ground what he does on his feet.
Those UFC bulldogs are the toughest bulldogs. But George Xu is more like a Lynx.
Actually George has roots in 10 animal xinyi which has a hell of a lot of iron body conditioning. Don't look at him now though as he has aged but the interesting question is who would win if they were both 60/70/80? An mma guy or george?
The chinese do have some ground fighting but it is not common. It falls under Dog Style and Chin-Na. It is pretty logical though. In a battle if you end up on the ground you're pretty much dead. On the street its the same story. BTW I like ground fighting (its great fun to train) but would never consciously go to the ground on the street nor would i recommend it.
Mixjourneyman, first of all, you shouldn't compare a massive, muscled, UFC fighter with a tiny slender Asian fighter, because that's silly. It tells you nothing about the techniques. If you make it slender UFC figher v slender Asian fighter, then the odds change considerably. Then if you make it genuinely no rules, well, sure, either one could gauge or nut kick - but would you be so sure of betting your mortgage on the UFC fighter? Would you be completely certain he must win in that scenario?
I would hapilly watch a fight between him and Wanderlei Silva to see how inefective ground fighting is. Back in the day it was proven originally by Fusen Ryu people and then later by judo people that ground fighting is highly effective against so called deadly techniques from classical systems. Classical jiu jitsuka tried their deadly techniques like eye gouges and groin grabs and were beaten soundly.
I am so glad he said that about Ground Fighting. I always carry a gun and an automatic knife I would love to see a guy try to fight me in the ground. Even if I know the law and I know that I have a license for that I would avoid the fight but I wouldn't lose my life for not defending myself. The opponent want to kill me or hurt me really band. I am not even a good fighter compared to George Xiu. Compared to him, I am a 8 year old girl.
If you are at all interested in being a complete martial artist, you need to learn how to fight on the ground, even if only to be able to retain your weapons and use them effectively.
BJJ is just TJQ on the ground my friend. Like Mr. Xu said in the interview--the same principles apply.
While I don't entirely agree with his assessment of sportfighting, I think his views on sparring are 100% correct.
Mr. Xu is a real master and judging from this video a truly humble man as well.
I know him in person and I can tell that he is very effective. One time he bit me up with one hand while he was just giving and explanation. I like to feel how he can control my body. I felf completely out of control when I felt his power.
ifu think that mma fighters are better than traditional fighters i think ur wrong the theory in chinneese martial art is totally diffrent than mma , mma to me is just glory fide streetfighting
adov3 6 months ago
@adov3 MMA is a theater art designed for bright lights and slow motion instant replay. It takes much of it's style from historic Pro-wrestling, now with new and improved conditioning and pain compliance techniques. Traditional Chinese Martial arts was closely tied to theatrical rituals over centuries and so has lots of mime, flash and character development stuff. They both work well enough to do real damage, should the need arise.
ogscott 6 months ago
MMA more conditioning, strength and power than technique, da best have good timing, technique & fighting skill, chinese arts more about using principles and effortless power, some one who had all the training in chinese arts and conditioning of mma would have great stand up. Chinese arts tend to emphasise sensitivity as well. Ground work no good in street as broken glass, needles and other things on floor, plus anyone can come and jump on your head while ur down there. (bite, gauge anti grap)
cottonfistman1 1 year ago
@mrwhippy40 Possible but not something to bet on. Every situation is different.
alwaysparadox 1 year ago
i don't know about other martial arts, but in the art I practise, the ground is to be avoided. like mr. xu said, you should be the one standing while they are on the ground. it is far from useless, but we try and avoid it. i'm curious about other martial artists' thoughts on groundfighting (not about mma fanboys' opinions tho)
mrussum1 1 year ago
i had the extremely enlightening opportunity to meet this gentleman twice in my life. im not sure what conditioning he undergoes, but at 70 years young this man told me how he was going to hit me beforehand both times, and then did it. very slowly and at short range, i felt everything i did to stop it was for not. it felt like getting hit by an iron bar... not fun.
Dragunb0y 2 years ago 2
If there were modern day communities or tribes of people, who trained different styles/schools of martial arts, with the sole purpose of killing others in melee combat, or be killed themselves - then, maybe, these "Fighter X vs Fighter Y" types of scenarios would have some hypothetical value, but in my immediate opinion: nobody today trains melee figting for the sake of dedicating their lives to mortal combat, in some form or other. So the last "step" is always an extrapolation-i.e. speculation
SaaErDetNok 2 years ago
Something happened there... it was supposed to start: the biggest weakness of MMA as a "self-defence system". It stands to reason that other martial arts, have other weaknesses. That being said; it is often brought up that this or that MMA superstar could beat, this or that martial artist. I don't see the point, however.. these guys train much more extensively and intensively that most anyone else involved in "fighting art", so obviously they have an edge right there.
SaaErDetNok 2 years ago
MMA as a "self-defence system", is that when you are on the ground in a "non-tournament" situation, there is no referee to prevent anyone else from interfering - AND if a guy has a hidden blade or such, it is difficult to avoid getting cut or stabbed in such close quarters.
SaaErDetNok 2 years ago
so i guess before mma became big, nobody ever defended themselves on the street? its sill to always compare to mma, they are pro atletes, etc martial arts all work fine with a competent training routine(mma is great also)
shifudan 2 years ago
Groundfighting is important, in this day and age - always, for self defence purposes. But it wasn't so important for conquering neighbouring states. And really, if we're being really honest, if MMA was genuinely no rules, its flaovur would be quite different - no one would stand and grapple if they could help it, because of the dangers. Sure, many fights go to the ground in the 'street'- but maybe only because the participants are either too useless to avoid it - or take advantage?
FamilyQuan 2 years ago
Maybee, maybee not. Results would still lean towards experience and skills. But the fight in the dog is not to be underestimated.
BILLGETSSTRONG 2 years ago
he would certainly have a better chance of winning than before.
egglot12 2 years ago 2
I agree with the idea that masters need to exchange information BUT a very big mistake is to have an intellectual and verbal criticism without being able to back it up physically. That weakens and dilutes martial arts. Have your opinion but be able to show that it has merit.
mentallpayshunt 3 years ago
continued: this was later proven again when people fought in a no rules situation in the first ufc. Now I love Chinese martial arts, but am willing to accept that ground fighting is sorely lacking in these styles.
I don't think there is a Chinese master alive today that could beat guys like Chuck Lidell and Silva in a street fight.
Its true that when you introduce weapons its different, but the same assertion could be made about weapons vs unarmed kung fu.
mixjourneyman 3 years ago
Hi Mixjourneyman. I think you are missing something. Lidell and Silva use extensive conditioning. George Xu does very little conditioning. For him, getting those guys to submit is highly unlikely. So beating them means either a sudden knockout or a kill. George Xu doesn't use "techniques" either, that's why he says he can do on the ground what he does on his feet.
Those UFC bulldogs are the toughest bulldogs. But George Xu is more like a Lynx.
ogscott 3 years ago
Actually George has roots in 10 animal xinyi which has a hell of a lot of iron body conditioning. Don't look at him now though as he has aged but the interesting question is who would win if they were both 60/70/80? An mma guy or george?
dspyrido 2 years ago
The chinese do have some ground fighting but it is not common. It falls under Dog Style and Chin-Na. It is pretty logical though. In a battle if you end up on the ground you're pretty much dead. On the street its the same story. BTW I like ground fighting (its great fun to train) but would never consciously go to the ground on the street nor would i recommend it.
dspyrido 2 years ago
i agree. Monkey style and Drunken style have ground fighting too.
egglot12 2 years ago
Mixjourneyman, first of all, you shouldn't compare a massive, muscled, UFC fighter with a tiny slender Asian fighter, because that's silly. It tells you nothing about the techniques. If you make it slender UFC figher v slender Asian fighter, then the odds change considerably. Then if you make it genuinely no rules, well, sure, either one could gauge or nut kick - but would you be so sure of betting your mortgage on the UFC fighter? Would you be completely certain he must win in that scenario?
FamilyQuan 2 years ago
@mixjourneyman You are not ready to comment grasshopper. Internal strength is infinite while physical is limited.
Jubeski 1 year ago
I would hapilly watch a fight between him and Wanderlei Silva to see how inefective ground fighting is. Back in the day it was proven originally by Fusen Ryu people and then later by judo people that ground fighting is highly effective against so called deadly techniques from classical systems. Classical jiu jitsuka tried their deadly techniques like eye gouges and groin grabs and were beaten soundly.
mixjourneyman 3 years ago
What he says about sparring is what I think about Chi-Sao. Thank you for the insight.
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crm233 3 years ago
I am so glad he said that about Ground Fighting. I always carry a gun and an automatic knife I would love to see a guy try to fight me in the ground. Even if I know the law and I know that I have a license for that I would avoid the fight but I wouldn't lose my life for not defending myself. The opponent want to kill me or hurt me really band. I am not even a good fighter compared to George Xiu. Compared to him, I am a 8 year old girl.
asslaslades 4 years ago
If you are at all interested in being a complete martial artist, you need to learn how to fight on the ground, even if only to be able to retain your weapons and use them effectively.
BJJ is just TJQ on the ground my friend. Like Mr. Xu said in the interview--the same principles apply.
While I don't entirely agree with his assessment of sportfighting, I think his views on sparring are 100% correct.
Mr. Xu is a real master and judging from this video a truly humble man as well.
PabloM31 3 years ago 2
I know him in person and I can tell that he is very effective. One time he bit me up with one hand while he was just giving and explanation. I like to feel how he can control my body. I felf completely out of control when I felt his power.
The thing is that he practiced the right way.
asslaslades 4 years ago
Good interview!!! He told a lot of TRUTH!!!
whatisyournameya 4 years ago
Nice. Good job.
chessman71 4 years ago