Hardtalk: Gene Robinson 1

[inquiry10]

and now it's nearly a non issue in the Anglican community to have gay bishops.... that's progress for you.......thanks gene

[nicksum29]

How can you speak to an archbishop like this? Disgusting.

[babecursenomo]

Poor Gene. He's defensive because he knows that he is a stench in God's nostrils.

[babecursenomo]

This man gene robinson is a liar and a fool. God has condemned homosexuality. This man left a church and a family for his own selfish lusts. He is of satan

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo God also condemns the casting of judgement the way you are currently doing.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 You're talking about Matthew 7:1. Yes, I can judge, I'm not a queer. You should try LEARNING what the words mean if you're going to stupidly use them as a weapon. We can judge, we can't be guilty of what we are accusing you of being. I'm judging you for being queer and because I'm not gay I can do this.

You queers should invest some time in a bible study. Sort of like going to the range if you have a firearm.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo (1/2) Actually judgement is condemned throughout the new testament (Luke 6:37, James 4:11, John 8:7) and it is more prevalent in the Bible than any references to homosexuality. But of course, you follow in the Church's 2000 year tradition of using the bible to justify the cultural prejudices you possess. The bible has been used to justify slavery, war, the inferior treatment of women, and all kinds of atrocities.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 You might enjoy reading the book of Judges in the Bible.  Oh, if you're arrested (and i'm sure you have been) for anything, you'll go before what is called (in the U.S.) a judge.

Good luck, homosexual. The day of Judgement is coming.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo I see you've memorized the anti-gay rhetoric very well, yet you are still unable to respond to argument. All I hear is self-righteousness from you. Your inability to formulate a clear argument forces you to resort to insults (implying I've been arrested and therefore a criminal) - I'm sure there is something in the bible against that too.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 The truth is insulting? You are what you are. You can be redeemed. I'm sure you're familiar with Romans 10:9. If you aren't then please, friend, read it. You can find your way back and I'll pray that you, and others like you, do.

Every soul is precious to God.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo Truth? What truth are you talking about? You pretty much lost this argument when you implied that I was an criminal without knowing me or knowing anything about my criminal background. "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." - ring a bell?

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 My apologies if you're not a sodomite committing sodomy in a state that has made it illegal.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo We live in a free country not a Christian version of Saudi Arabia as fundamentalist Christians would like our country to be. In 2003 the Supreme Court declared in Lawrence v. Texas that sodomy laws were unconstitutional and therefore invalid in the 14 states that still had them in their books. Perhaps you should not dedicate all of your time to finding your prejudices in the bible and instead learn the laws of our country.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 What in the world makes you think I want to live like a (Christian) Saudi? That's the second time you've puts words in my mouth. What you do in private, I couldn't care less about. It's what you do in public. Homosexuals who insist on putting their affections on display in front of my children? I tell them that it's wrong and not of God. They have a remarkable grasp of good and evil. Why don't you?

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo First you say I'm a criminal because of sodomy laws you think are still valid and now you say that you don't care what people do in private? Which is it? Because sodomy laws are an infringement on a person's privacy. Your rights end where another person's rights begin. If you don't want to see gay couples excercise their right to do what str8 couples do in public then that is your problem. Why should anyone accommodate for your prejudices?

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 My "prejudices"? Because I don't appreciate your perverse ways? Don't whine when others take issue with it on the street. I don't hesitate to express my displeasure with it and encourage others to do the same.

One day they'll find the cure for your mental illness.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo You are the one whining about the HORROR of seeing gay couples on the street. It's amazing how strongly fundamentalist Christians feel about this issue. But you already know that this is a lost battle. Everyday, society becomes more and more accepting of homosexuality and that makes you very affraid. You can't "cure" homosexuality but I'm sure ignorance can be cured with some education.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 "More and more accepting of homosexuality". Utter bullshit. And it doesn't make Christians fearful. It makes us sad. Sad that this world has fallen to this degree. Sad that there are perverse people like you walking around thinking that you have a "right" to be that way. You don't. 

One day, someone will discover a mutated gene, the source of your mental illness. They'll be able to isolate and destroy it. Until then, you're just another sick, diseased, perverse, queer.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo (1) Bullshit? Really? I guess you are blind to reality. 100 years ago homosexuality was against the law in most states, today some of them even perform same-sex marriages. Gays in the military have gone from having to serve in secret, to "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" to now being able to serve openly. The public's attitude towards gay people has gradually improve and people like you are simply a relic from the past and that explains your militancy.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo (2) Do you support our constitution? Ever heard of equal protection under the law? If you think people in this country don't have the "right" to be as they are or as they please then you don't support our constitution.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo (3) I guess you missed the "anti-gay 101" lesson that Fundamentalist Christians get because I'm sure they would have told you to stand firm and just repeat that being gay is a choice. Once you admit that homosexuality is the result of some form of genetic predisposition and hence part of God's creation, the whole argument falls apart. But clearly you've shown that your prejudice is not b/c of religion, you simply hide behind it to justify your hatred.

[babecursenomo]

@samot8728 God didn't create your lust for the same sex. This is something you were taught or learned yourself.

I don't hate you. I pity you.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo Do you realize that saying that homosexuality is a choice is completely opposite from your previous argument? You need to pick which side of the issue you are on. What I pity is your ignorance and I also pity any children you have or might have. May God make them as straight as can be so they don't have to suffer under bigoted parents.

[maxismax100]

@samot8728 GOD JUDGETH THE RIGHTEOUS AND GOD IS ANGRY WITH THE WICKED EVERY DAY. ROMANS 1;26-7 MEANS EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS NOT WHAT HOMOSEXUALS AND THE APOSTATE EPISCOPAL CHURCH REINTERPRET IT TO SAY HOMOSEXUALITY IS A BIOLOGICAL DEAD END AND IS NOT A NORMAL SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT GOD HAS GIVING THEM A WOMAN TO LOVE BUT NO THEY WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH THE SAME SEX MAN WITH MAN AND THAT IS DISTURBING AND SICK IN THE MIND OF MAN

[samot8728]

@maxismax100 And exactly what authority do you have to say what God likes or does not like? Do you support slavery as a literal interpretation of the bible supports?

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 God makes His Will known to us in the Bible. The rest of your argument has to do with a culture modern Christians never condoned of nor do you understand. 

God did condemn homosexuality.

Clearer?

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (1) And God's Will in the Bible is so clear that we have thousands of different Christian denominations all claiming to have the right interpretation right? Have you ever taken a close look at what other strange things the Bible says? Kill anyone with a different religion. (Deuteronomy 17:2-7) If you find out a city worships a different god, destroy the city and kill all of it's inhabitants... even the animals. (Deuteronomy 13:12-15)

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (2) Anyone who dreams or prophesizes anything that is against God, or anyone who tries to turn you from God, is to be put to death. (Deuteronomy 13:5) Anyone who curses or blasphemes God, should be stoned to death by the community. (Leviticus 24:14-16) These are just a few of the ones that ask you to kill people, but there are others that support the inferior treatment or women and even slavery. As a "good" Christian do you follow these?

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (3) Fundamentalist Christianity is doing a great job at following in the Church's tradition of using the bible to justify horrible actions. What you fail to realize is that the Bible is more than just the word of God, it's also a human document written by man and with all of our imperfections. Biblican inerrency is frankly a very weak foundation for faith.

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 What "horrible actions" have Christians been perpetrating on you, my friend? Some of the Bible (New Testament) records Christ's words. Has Christ perpetrated any horrible actions upon you?

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (1) Fundamentalist Christians haven't done anything against me personally, except trying to keep me from enjoying the same rights to a civil marriage as they do. In recent times fundamentalist Christians have been responsible for acts of terrorism (bombings, murdering abortion doctors and spreading anti-gay hate). In the past the Church has also been responsbible for religious wars and executions, the cursades, the inquisition, should I continue?

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 Sure, sammy. Sure.

The cursades? lol. I'll bet Doom 3 is awesome.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart I haven't played video games since I was a little kid so I was quite surprised to find it's a sci fi horror video game when I googled it. It's amazing that you compare the crusades to a sci fi video game. But what can I expect from someone that can't even respond to arguments?

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 The real problem is: you have no argument. At least not spiritually, which is what Gene Robinson is all about. I wouldn't care if this were some celebrity or athlete. This man once represented God. And he's leading people into hell. There's something very wrong with that. There's something very wrong with YOU. You want to talk about Christ? Christ didn't respond to homosexuality. They mattered so much to Him, that he doesn't mention them. but He does speak to the continued

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 the participants of marriage. A man and a woman. Read Mark 10:6-9. God condemns homosexuality. 1 Corinthians 6:9 condemns sodomites. Homosexuals. You. Your perverse, filthy and mentally ill.

Get help and take a shower before you go out, filthy homosexual.

[dana123xena]

@oneonthedepthchart you take sciptures in the bible and use them for hate and did you know before that verse that it also condemns hair cuts and tattoos?, it doesn't apply to the 21st century, that was the past what we all need to read is revelations that's what to come, we are all gods children, white, black, mexican etc.. straight, gay, lesbian, transgender quit spreading hate and spread more love.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart There is not a single condemnation of monogamous same-sex relationships in the bible. What you fundamentalist Christians don't realize or simply refuse to accept is that the Bible did not arrive from federal express and biblical inerrancy is not some liberal 20th century invention. What people like you do is pick and chose passages from the bible to justify your hate. Why don't you take the WHOLE bible as literal?

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 I do take the whole Bible as literal. And I have always stood on belief that homosexuality is a choice. I have two daughters who are heterosexual. They were raised heterosexual. Thanks for your concern.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart You are free to believe what you want but simply saying that homosexuality is a conscious choice is completely false. The bulk of the scientific evidence and research shows that people don't chose to become gay, just like you can't chose to become black or left-handed. It amazes me to see such disregard for science among fundamentalist Christians. I think it probably explains the intellectual backwardness of this country.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart I'm sorry to break it to you but your daughters have not been raised as heterosexuals, they simply are heterosexuals and you had no role in their sexual orientation. Do you realize how little sense your argument makes. Can you then explain why most homosexuals have 2 heterosexual parents and grew up surrounded by heterosexuals? Or why the children of same-sex parents don't turn out to be gay like their parents?

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart Your hate is not about Christianity or what the bible says. There is nothing Christian about calling someone a "filthy homosexual." Your hate has nothing to do with the Bible. You use the Bible to as an instrument to justify that hate. May God bless you and and forgive your hatefulness and arrogance.

[oneonthedepthchart]

@samot8728 I apologize to you for my harsh words. It was over the top and I am sorry. But I do not hate you or anyone else. I don't agree with your lifestyle but that's the extent of it. May God Bless you as well.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart No need to apologize. You have already shown what you really think of gay people. Calling homosexuality a "lifestyle" is not only disrespectful but is also an attack on millions of Americans who have had no choice in who they are attracted to. And that's not the extent of it. It is people like you who work relentlessly to deny gays the same rights you have to a legal recognized relationship based on mutual consent and love.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart Saying that your disagreement with the "gay lifestyle" is the extent of it is frankly an insult to my intelligence because that is never the extent of it. People who think like you are often against anti-discrimination laws that protect gays from being fired from work for their sexual orientation or protect teenagers from being bullied at school for being gay or being perceived as gay.

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart If it was simply disagreement we might not be having this discussion. I don't know you but if a ballot initiative in your state come up to add a constitutional amendment to your state constitution banning gay marriages I'm willing to assume you would vote yes to ban same-sex marriages instead of allowing other people to live their lives and make their own decisions by voting no. If that is the case then it's more than just a disagreement over "lifestyle".

[bgibb101]

@samot8728 - The Bible expressly condemns same-sex relationships. Indeed, this particular sin is called "an abomination" unto the Lord. In other words, they nauseate Him. God hates the sin but loves the sinner, but ultimately it is our own rebellion and disregard for His Word that separates us from Him for an eternity. We can talk about the love of God and the mercy of God, but He is also a God of judgement. No human rights lawyer, no pope, no king, no president will save you on judgement day...

[samot8728]

@bgibb101 Iin the same book of the bible where you are taking the word abomination from you will find other condemnations of basic things we all do today are are not considered sin. Please read the bible without leaving your brain at the door. This will allow you to understand the context in which things are written. In spite of the fact that the bible was written by individuals in very homophobic cultures, there is no condemnation anywhere of monogamous same-sex relationships.

[bgibb101]

@samot8728 - Same sex relationships are expressly condemned in scripture. Review Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9, Jude 1:7, Romans 1:27. The opinion of man matters not. God has the final say. Homosexuality is unhealthy, life threatening, life shortening and psychologically damaging. "Homophobia" is a meaningless term, invented by a tiny minority group of sexual degenerates to vilify anyone who dares to question them. Robinson is a sexual degenerate who is without excuse.

[samot8728]

@bgibb101 Monogamous and stable same-sex relationships are never condemned in the bible and they can't be condemned in the bible because the people who wrote the bible lived in societies where monogamous same-sex relationships were simply not acknowledged. Every time gay sex appears in the bible it is in the context of adultery, rape or other acts that don't characterize stable same-sex relationships like the one Robinson has with his partner.

[bgibb101]

@samot8728 - Are you actually reading what I write? SAME-SEX relationships are rejected by scripture, as is beastiality, etc. There are reasons for this. Homosexuals are the least healthy people, live shorter lives, suffer from more STDs and intestinal parasites given their relatively small numbers. They also contribute 61% of all AIDS cases in the USA annually. This is shocking considering how small their numbers are. Robinson and his "partner' are seuxally degenerate men, nothing more.

[samot8728]

@bgibb101 The opinion of man does not matter? Well, the bible is full of man's opinion. The bible was written by man not God. The bible is inspired by God but not dictated or written by God. It contains Gods word as well as the cultural baggage of the individuals who wrote it. Why do homophobes insist on taking certain biblical passages literally but then ignore passages that seem to support slavery, the death penalty and the inferior treatment of women???

[bgibb101]

@samot8728 - Also, Leviticus 128:23 speaks against beastiality. But, lets not talk about what diseases you can pick up from an animal. Same-sex relationships are sick enough. Homosexuality was regarded as a mental illness by the American Psychiatric Association but was only withdrawn in 1973 after years of threats, intimidation and loud, aggressive disruptions at their meetings by militant homosexuals. This has been the pattern of their movement from the beginning. ...

[bgibb101]

@samot8728 - The Bible was written by men under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. Why do you think that it is such a remarkable record of fulfilled prophecy and historical facts? Only those who seek to justify the degenerate lifestyle of a minority shoyut about Biblical "innacuracies." . Remember, God is not mocked. He will judge all of us one day. Read Revelation 21:8 and see who will not inherit His Kingdom.

[Nagato3303]

@bgibb101 no offense but all this preaching of the bible is getting on my nerves. the bible was a book written by authors who wanted to convey morals to the people.maybe it is historical however this horseshit of not accepting God's will and all that crap is all unknown. there is no guarantee that there is another life after this. there is no guarantee there's a god. Live your life as happily as you can without hurting anyone and that's it ;) that's the life your god and your jesus wanted. :)

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (2) Interesting that you ask for Christ's words. When it comes to justifying your anti-gay rhetoric, fundamentalist Christians don't hesitate to find passages in the most obscure and irrelevant parts of the Bible. Christ actually never spoke about homosexuality. But you didn't answer the question I asked in the previous set of comments, do you follow and stand by those bible passages that demand the death penalty for those crimes?

[samot8728]

@oneonthedepthchart (2) Interesting that you ask for Christ's words. When it comes to justifying your anti-gay rhetoric, fundamentalist Christians don't hesitate to find passages in the most obscure and irrelevant parts of the Bible. Christ actually never spoke about homosexuality. But you didn't answer the question I asked in the previous set of comments, do you follow and stand by those bible passages that demand the death penalty for those crimes?

[maxismax100]

@samot8728 THE HOLY BIBLE IS THE ONLY AUTHORITY THAT SAYS LUKE 13;3 I TELL YOU NO BUT UNLESS YOU REPENT YOU TOO WILL ALL PERISH. WHAT DOES THIS TELLS YOU THAT IF YOU LIVE IN SIN WITH OUT REPENTING OF YOUR SINS YOU WILL DIE IN SIN AND GO TO HELL THAT'S THE BOTTON LINE THAT'S WHAT THE BIBLE THAT IS THE WORD OF GOD. YOU CANNOT LIVE IN SIN AND THINK THAT YOU GOING TO HEAVEN AFTER YOU DIE JESUS SAID REPENT OR YOU WILL LIKEWISE PERISH IT MEANS YOU WILL GO TO HELL WHEN YOU DIE READ BIBLE ON SIN

[samot8728]

@maxismax100 It's interesting how you pick and chose biblical passages and simply refuse to answer some basic questions about other passages Christian fundamentalist find inconvenient. Again, there is one bible and hundreds of opinions regarding what it actually says.

[samot8728]

@babecursenomo (2/2) In the West we've now accepted the immorality of slavery and the equality of men and women (mostly), but our prejudices towards homosexuality remain - hence why homophobia and the bible still go hand in hand. You are a perfect example. 

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[2001GWB]

Hmm....a leader in the Christian church who doesnt use Christ as a death sentence, and doesn't use God as a vehicle for hate. Praise be to God!

[babecursenomo]

@2001GWB He's told you what you you wanted to hear. The truth is quite different. God condemned homosexuality Repent of it or find yourself cast into the lake of fire for all eternity.

[babecursenomo]

@2001GWB Furthermore, Gene is a leader of HIS church, which deviates from Christianity in a number of ways.

[TimotheosCauvin]

Pushing the gay agenda - not the gospel of Christ.

[SONSofVENDETTA]

Yep another false prophet teaching things that are opposite to the Word of God -_-

[onebadgs400]

Looks like you need to stop napping in church and pay attention. God does not want anything to come before Him. Yes that includes who you lay down with. If you can't give up what you hold most dear to your heart .....ie drugs, alcohol, stealing, money, career even sex regardless the partner then you really aren't a Christian. God loves all of us. Will you give up your sexual preference to serve Him.

[dontgivafuckkk]

where is this whole world goin...

at 1st i thought he was a catholic bishop, then i'd comment on this video, but i don't suppose he is. he'll be some kinda protestant..

[brycejacksoncvt]

@dontgivafuckkk actually Anglicans generally dont consider themselves Protestant, but rather affirm they are both Protestant and Catholic .. look up an Anglican or Episcopalian (they are essentially the same thing) service and you will see it is very much like a Roman Catholic service. Anglicans basically dont recognize the supposed infallibility of the Pope.

[hoosfan77]

This is a bit of a simplistic definition of Anglicanism. There is a strong Anglo-catholic stream, but there is also a strong low church-protestant-evangelical stream as well which is decidedly not as high church. Also the liturgy of the Book of Common prayer is fairly lutheran/reformed in its content.

[brycejacksoncvt]

@hoosfan77 - you are right .. for lack of space I kept my definition brief . Low church Anglicanism (which is mainly North American ) is very prevelant , especially in the South . However MOST Anglicans (in North America) more or less adhere to the High Church or Anglo Catholic style of prayer .

[blmauai]

Well i believe if you are in fact christian, then you wouldnt have anykind of idol, be it materialistic or any person or anything other than the one true triune God.

[anthonynewsome]

Gene is amazing, thank god for people like him,

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome Strange you think so. This man represents why the Episcopal Church is hardly even a church at all (some conservative episcopal churches still exists but they're sadly dying out). It's a relativistic new agism induced church which has no respect for the tradition of true Christianity and the Scriptures. There's good reason why the Church Fathers would throw him out as a heretic; he's a revisionist of Scriptural and Ecclesiastical documents that clearly condemn sodomy.

[anthonynewsome]

@TheArsenalfc101 Gene is above such hate/fear that you inhabit - when Jesus walked the earth he did so among the outcasts - lgbt people are the outcasts of today - U and Ur like will never grow/learn/experience truth or compassion or respect... breath love in & light out - the true path to god can never be one built upon close-minded pride hate & repression that you so willingly embrace -

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome you're wrong in assuming im a homophobe because I work with homosexuals and actually really admire some, but I sincerely disagree with their lifestyle. You see, modern society thinks toleration means acceptance, but this is untrue. If Biblical theology and christian philosophy understands homosexuality as a sin, then it just is. When objective statements are made in modern society they are seen as "hateful" or "intolerant". Read G.K. Chesterton's critique of modern "toleration".

[anthonynewsome]

@TheArsenalfc101 People with addictions like U always deny u have issues,

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome Well that's one way of avoiding actual argumentation. Disregard your opponent through a personal attack. As I have stated before, I have friends who are homosexual, but much like most sins, the point is to hate the sin, not the sinner because ultimately we all have vices that distract us from God's love. However, when Gene Robinson completely disregards the severity of homosexual sin, then I have a deep problem with his theology. It's a shame you've conformed to new agism.

[anthonynewsome]

@TheArsenalfc101 listen up this is not an argument & sex and sexuality have been around since the dawn of time - so I have now ida about Ur NEW AGE agenda - and that worn out statement of having 'lgbt' friends is typical - U ought to think less about what people do in bed & concentrate on your prayers - Gene is a great man - are U part of the Ted Haggard - Mormon clan

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome Haha the argument of sexuality has not been around forever in the Christian tradition (it arose in the early 1900s with liberal Protestantism), it has always been viewed as a moral sin b4 then. People do indeed have the right to do whatever they want in bed in a civil sense (I myself am a libertarian so yes they should have the right), but it is bothersome when the gay movement invades Christianity and then perverts the truth of Biblical Christianity and philosophy.

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome Also, I find it amusing I'm being called a mormon considering they are a non-Trinitarian and clearly not Christian polytheistic religion. It's as if you are calling my arguments against homosexual priests a rarity, when in fact, the Church for 2000 years and the majority of Christianity still today has rejected sodomy as a sin. Read the Church Fathers, sir, and you'll see that the earliest Christians deeply condemned sodomy. Aw...is that too offensive 4 u mr. modern tolerance?

[anthonynewsome]

@TheArsenalfc101 mr modern tolerance ?????? if perhaps U take some time clear your head and here what Gene is saying - I live in todays world - we as a society have moved on from mans idea of religion & dogma - so why are u on about such things as NEW AGE thinking - the Christian right-wing have used homophobia for their own agenda - U and your thinking has nothing to do with god - & also I would never consider your opinions a rarity at any time - or offensive - tired and boring yes -

[TheArsenalfc101]

@anthonynewsome Oh I hear what he's saying, he's rejecting objective Truth due to personal feeling and imploring Christians to do the same. I go on about New Age thinking because the Episcopal Church is nothing more than a shambled unitarian church now, under the guidance of an apostate Bishop Schori who doesn't even believe Christ is the only way to heaven. The gay movement uses revisionism to push their agenda, while traditional Christianity seeks reason to keep the truths of the past.

[divadam18]

Watch that you do not become a pharisee; that you look at the log in your own eye before you cast assertions on others. I am so sick of Christians forsaking the peace of the Spirit for the cheap pleasure of judgement made in and sewing to the flesh and which ultimately comes from fear, and a desire to negate the reality of homosexual people. We need gay leaders in the Church and God will judge them, like us, on the final day.

[Drooblemeister]

True, I agree with you, the church needs to reevaluate what sin is, and how it breaks God's heart when we commit a sin. No sin is higher than another. But I will not say that makes homosexuality acceptable in God's eyes in the same way that pride is not acceptable in God's eyes.  Of course, we the sinner can approach it in 2 different ways, A) a repentant heart that recognizes the need to seek God's forgiveness and change or B) a heart that ignores it or devalues the severity of the sin.

[divadam18]

1 Corinthians 13:

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

[MaryWaterton]

Here are just a few places where the Bible condemns homosexuality as an abomination: Genesis 19:5-7 Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 Deuteronomy 23:17 Luke 17:28-29 Romans 1:24-27 I Corinthians 6:9-10 I Timothy 1:10 2 Peter 2:6 Jude 7 Satan owns the Episcopal Church. Flee from it.

[pattersondsmccd]

@MaryWaterton Mary:

You are in a fine long tradition of Christians who have quoted verses from the Bible on particular themes. Here is a challenge: Why not quote us something joyous and hopeful from the Bible?! Or, uh, perhaps you don't know those passages, Mary? Mary?! That, my friend, is a challenge. I don't know if you can do it. Mary?!? Can you? Dare you? Quote us something lovely from the Bible...if you can...if you dare!

[MaryWaterton]

pattersondsmccd -

"and turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making them an example to those who afterward would live ungodly; and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked" (2 Peter 2:6-7)

Now here is the joyous and hopeful part:

"the Lord knows how to deliver the godly from evil and to reserve the unjust under punishment for the day of judgment" (2 Peter 2:9)

Praise the Lord! Now that is GOOD news!

[MassLiberal1]

No, it's horrible news. People will be burning forever according to your religious belief. You couldn't enjoy Heaven knowing that loved ones are suffering, unless you're a bad person.

[maxismax100]

@MaryWaterton YOU ARE 100% RIGHT UNDER GOD YOU ARE RIGHT THE BIBLE SAY'S THAT IF WE DONT REPENT FROM SIN WE WILL PERISH AND GO TO HELL IN OUR SINS JESUS SAID REPENT THAT WAS A WARNING TO US TO REPENT AND COME TO GOD TO BE SAVE BUT HOMOSEXUALS ARE TRYING TO CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD INTO A LIE TO HELP THERE EVIL DEEDS OF SEXUAL PERVERSION OF SIN IF THEY DONT REPENT FROM THIS SIN THEY WILL DIE IN THERE SINS AND GO TO HELL FOREVER LOST FOR ALL ENTERNITY

[GodsTruthIsBetter]

And women wearing pants are an abomination too!

[ A woman shall not wear man's clothing, nor shall a man put on a woman's clothing; for whoever does these things is an abomination to the LORD your God. - Deuteronomy 22 : 5 ]

Satan owns all churches who don't condemn women wearing pants. Flee from them.

(But don't really flee from them, just make sure you aren't taking verse out of context. God loves you.)

[muzzboi]

Gene is a pure god send... keep on fighting for humanity!

[oneonthedepthchart]

@muzzboi Gene is a liar and a fraud.

[gerjaison]

Isn't it hypocritical that the job as a bishop is to promote the interpretation of the bible and he is breaching the contents in the bible.

Funny business.

[StacyatLife]

It is sad that this guy puts Sodomy ahead of the well being of his church.

Sad

[ayau1974]

GAY IS A SINNER YOU MORON

[sptdonkey]

I think it's funny that people slap their Bibles around and say what is sin and what is not. I think time will tell who will win the battle. The only success fundamentalists are having is driving their own children away from God.

[IanLoewen]

In the Bible, Paul includes homosexuals in the category of those who will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[divadam18]

that is a mistranslation and an eisegetical reading of the text. I have the Spirit of God flowing through me all the time and I am a homosexual. REALISE what you're saying and how it affects others and their faith.

[IanLoewen]

The good news though is you can repent and turn away from sin. Realize I said unrepentent.

[IanLoewen]

so, repent.

[JAZZKID7]

We can talk all day about this in the end God will judge. those of you who think your right about this issue you better be sure!!!!!!!

[amorevolous4]

Be that as it may, Aleister Crowley has much to say about morality as well. Just because some "sacred" passage purports to reflect the "truth" does not necessarily make it so.

[royalmontpark]

I find he is such a hot daddy. sons must love him to death.

[bereansearch]

I may have a desire to steal since my youth, but I can't say God made me a kleptomaniac, it's okay for me to steal.

[bereansearch]

Thank God that the Corinthians gave us examples of people who were delivered from the bondage of sin known as homosexuality.

Some persons are born with an inclination to this sin or that sin. But the Bible tells us that we are born with a sinful nature that we inherit from Adam. Just because we are born with an inclination to a certain sin does not mean we are not responsible to: repent of it, and turn to Christ.

[bereansearch]

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

And that is what some of you WERE. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

[sundragon0330]

RE: "I do wish Gene would stay at home" etc

I'll bet many people in the first-century Middle East wished that Christ had stayed home too, but good for us that he did not do so. Salvation would never have happened if he HAD stayed at home, kept his mouth shut and not "stirred things up."

Yay for Jesus, and Gene, stirring things up for God and the GOOD NEWS that none of the haters seem to believe in! GOD LOVES EVERYONE!

[karapari]

he said hate he sin and love the sinner.... homosexuality is a sin my dear sundragon... justify your vain delays until the end , but know that you are not following what he would have you do by acting out on homosexual tendencies.. it is sad when people want to homosexuals as not human, but that doesnt make samesex couples ok in the eyes of god, and it certainly doesnt mean that we must accept you and condone your personal activity. to not condemn is to condone. depart from that which defileth

[divadam18]

let God speak in love and from the love of gay relationships, and not from the tongue of death that we all possess or the concerns of St Paul at a certain time, at a certain place. Do not be a pharisee.

Your brother in the Love of Christ.

[mossboss1984]

this men is the devil

[ColumbiaCowboy]

A blasphemous lie. This man was called by God to ministry and has done so with love and grace, giving the TRUE message of Jesus Christ, not hate and bigotry which are NOT Christian.

[mossboss1984]

lol you can not be christian and gay he is not giving the true message of jesus christ god made adam and eve. where in the bible does it say its ok to be gay?

[ColumbiaCowboy]

Blasphemous lies. Of COURSE you can be a Christian and gay, at NO point does it say ONLY HETEROSEXUALS CAN ACCEPT CHRIST AS SAVIOR, and that and ONLY that is what makes one a Christian.

God did NOT just make Adam and Eve, God made ALL of us, and made millions of people who are gay.

The Bible does not say a word about homosexuality one way or the other. It DOES say that you're to treat others the way you'd want to be treated. Homophobia is NOT Christian. Many excellent Christians are gay.

[karapari]

i agree we are all his creations.. but he gave his greatest creations a conscience... every one can attempt to follow christ, he bids all come follow me. i know liars, thieves, abortionist, racists,pedophiles, perverts, murders, tax cheats, pornographers, spousal abusists, drunks all are in a struggle to follow the savior. homosexualaity is a sin no different from the previous sins i mentioned. just because we have tendency to sin doesnt mean we can justify it as a lifestyle. all must repent!

[bereansearch]

In scripture, bishops and elders are to be the husband of one wife, not husband of one husband OR wife of one wife. (Once again, see Romans 1)

Jesus sent the Holy Spirit to tell the Apostles what to write. The words in black hold as much clout as the ones in red. And they, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, condemn homosexuality. The end.

No Greek linguist would ever concede to the contrary without a CONFLICT OF INTEREST. This COI is why gay "psuedo-christians" won't repent.

[bereansearch]

Straw man arguements do not change the scripture.

Marriage is ONLY ordained to be man and woman. (Eph 5:31, and Genesis account)

Sex outside of marriage is adultery, and so is lust. (Mat 5:28)

1 Cor 6:9; 1 Tim. 1:10; Romans 1;....

All speak to the sinfulness of homosexuality. Jesus came to forgive the sins of the REPENTANT. He commands it (Luke 13:3,5). If you refuse to repent it is a sign that you do not have the Holy Spirit and you are not a Christian.

[ColumbiaCowboy]

Lie. The Bible NEVER says it's a sin to be gay. The verses you give NEVER say "Only heterosexuals can marry" NONE of the verses you list ever MENTION homosexuality, and even IF it were a "sin" and it is NOT a person CANNOT "repent" because you can't change your sexual orientation. There is no such thing as a former homosexual. They're not "refusing" anything. To spread bigotry and hate and then say OTHERS "aren't Christian" is hypocrisy and shows YOU need to work on who is and isn't a Christian

[bereansearch]

It would be quite unloving for me to NOT tell the truth if I believe the Bible, and can give you a message that can save you from eternity in Hell. So I must, for the hope that you might REPENT and TRUST JESUS Christ as LORD. (not just a get-outta-hell ticket). Turn from your sin in thought, attitude, and behavior. Apologize to God for your sin and look to the cross of Christ, submitting wholly to His mercy and hoping only in His work on the cross. (Mark 1:15)

[ColumbiaCowboy]

If you "believe in the Bible"? Do you believe in stoning children? If you believe in the Bible, treat people with love, and bigotry and homophobia are NOT love. A person CANNOT "repent" from being gay, there's no such thing as a former homosexual, which is fine because it's not a sin to be gay. The Bible in fact NEVER says homosexuality is a sin and Jesus never mentioned the topic.

[bereansearch]

The Lord Jesus is quite exclusive in His Gospel. Repent or perish (Luke 13:3, 5)

1 Cor. 6:9-10; Gal. 5:19-21; Eph. 5:3-5; Rev. 21:8; Luke 14:26-33; Matt. 10:37-38; Matt. 5:20; Jn. 6:44,65; Jn. 8:31; Jn. 15:10

Seems pretty exclusive. Seems pretty specific.

1 Jn. 2:16; & last of all, 1 John 3:10 "By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother."

[ColumbiaCowboy]

Jesus NEVER said it's a sin to be gay, and a gay person CANNOT "repent" The sick lie that gay people all go to hell ignores that not only is it NOT a sin, but that Jesus died so that our sins be forgiven.

[sundragon0330]

Way to go ColumbiaCowboy! I love your statements!

[bereansearch]

(for the below comment) You are right. Homosexual people are not going away. They will remain on this earth, and things will continue to go down the toilet until the return of Christ. THEN they will go somewhere. The lake of fire is what the Bible calls it. May God have the mercy to wake some of them up before it is too late.

[ColumbiaCowboy]

The blasphemy of you pretending your homophobia and hate are "Christian" is an insult to our Lord and Savior. ALL you have to do is love them, treat them with kindness, and instead hate and threats are all you have.

[bereansearch]

1. Homosexuality is condemned in the Old Testament.

2. Homosexuality is condemned in New Testament.

3. Twisting a close friendship in the Bible into homosexuality is error and poor exposition.

4. All sexual activity outside the bonds of marriage is sin.

5. Marriage is between a man and a woman, from Adam and Eve to Revelation.

6. Lust is a sin, so celebate Homosexuality is adultery of the heart with the same sex.

7. It is seen as a sign of reprobation in Romans Ch. 1

[ColumbiaCowboy]

1. A sex ACT is condemned, along with wearing Rayon & eating shrimp.

2. Homosexuality word used in some old translations in Paul's writings, in fact the word did not EXIST in Paul's time, and he NEVER said the word.

3. That's debatable, but irrelevent. Being gay is not a sin.

4. IF you allow gays to marry, that could be seen as possible, but MUCH sex outside of marriage exists in OT.

5. Gays are just as married as straight people.

6. Being gay is no more about "lust" than being straight.

[richardjrlobo]

hmm..I don't know if you haven't noticed but I did put in there a part of the new testament: 1 Cor 6:9. Oh and by the way let's be clear, you are telling me that a man that sleeps with another man is not considered "gay"? which is the same as homosexual? Then can you please tell me what the word homosexual means when translated in the bible. Oh that's right it means "happy" hahahaha! Look, let's be honest, what this man is doing is not right, it goes against God and even human nature...

[gsxarnie]

The world is soon going to end.

[boomac62]

well, thats been said for centuries....sooner or later it will end but I doubt you have the inside track on just when that might be.

[lordinti]

YAY Gene Robinson, he is an idol, for all christians, he is truley christian, he is the beacon of equality for all, seeing him in the purple cloth is hope for the future of equality, gay peopl are NOT going away, we are here we're queer we're not going ANYWHERE!

-AP-

[nyloncowgirl]

Funny how you are claiming he is a true Christian ... yet you use the word "idol."

[saintminus]

truly said.

[TAKEHEED1]

@lordinti False Prophet, VG Robinson is NOT truley christian. He loves his sin not Christ.

[keeyk118b]

@lordinti unless you repent you are going into the lake of fire.

[Menechem]

@keeyk118b Revelation 21, 22, 1 Corinthians 6.9. You hit the nail on the head!

[Menechem]

@lordinti Need I remind you that Christians are to worship God alone, and not idols (you said that Gene shou be an idol)? Secondly, According to Paul's writings to Timothy and Titus, Sexually Immorals are not to be in Church Leadership! Thirdly Christ himself says that the sexually Immorals will be cast into hell! Fourthly, Gay 'marriage' goes against Christian teaching (Genesis 2,Leviticus 18,20,Matthew 19,Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 5, 6, Revelation 21, & 22)!All Robinison does is condemn himself.

[maxismax100]

@lordinti JUST LIKE JESUS TOLD THE PROSTITU YOUR SINS ARE MANY AND THEN HE SAID SIN NO MORE

[richardjrlobo]

REPENT you hypocrite who says that follows Jesus, if you don't want to end up in hell. Lev 20:13 "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death." 1 Cor 6:9 "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS"

[boomac62]

Forget the quote from the OT unless you want to stand on all of what the OT teaches and I bet you do not...Ok

do you know the word translated as homosexual does not mean homosexual?

[HouseOfRainbow]

In my opinion Christians should have a re think on the principles of love and re learn the message of inclusion. When church neglects its responsibility to care and defend the week, it then provides ammunition for policy makers to create discriminatory laws that will further endanger lives, that is what I call carelessness. And it is more annoying when it comes from the church. Rev Rowland Jide Macaulay, Pastor House Of Rainbow Metropolitan Community Church Lagos Nigeria

[nyloncowgirl]

I think that the church should be inclusive and care for the weak.  We should minister to our homosexual brothers and sisters just like anyone else.

However, to consecrate and be governed is a whole different matter.

[ColumbiaCowboy]

Being gay is not "weak" and gays don't need any more "care" than straight people. They should be treated like anyone else, NOT as "sinners" and those called to the ministry BY GOD should not be rejected just because they're gay.

[HouseOfRainbow]

I commend the bravery and boldness and stand of Bishop Gene Robinson, we have faced more devastating religious homophobia in my home country Nigeria, because the so called men/women of God including Archbishop Peter Akinola continue to spread hate and ill fated messages of condemnation and discrimination, which is totally against the Christian principles.

[press1500]

what a bunch of horse crap, if you don't like the rules of your religion, then change your religion, it is not compulsory in this country.

[sidewalkpilot]

Bishop Robinson was born in my home state - KENTUCKY. Bless him and his quest for equality...

[pastormike7]

the interviewer does a great job of asking tough questions.

[maxismax100]

@pastormike7 GOD DOES NOT HAVE SINNERS IN HEAVEN HE HAS PEOPLE WHO REAPENTED FROM SIN WHAT DOES JESUS SAY"S TO ISRAEL REPENT AND SIN NO MORE THAT IS THE WAY TO GOD YOU CANNOT SERVE GOD IN SIN FOR SIN IS THE WAY OF THE DEVIL AND IS EVIL WHAT DID JOHN THE BATIST SAID TO ISRAEL REPENT ISRAEL FOR THE DAY OF THE LORD IS AT HAND YOU HAVE TO SERVE GOD IN GOODNESS NOT IN SIN OF HOMOSEXUALITY JUST LOOK AT SODOM AND GAMMORA DESTROY BY GOD BECAUSE OF THERE HOMOSEXUALITY IS A EVIL SIN IN THE EYE'S OF GOD