THERE! every comment approved. There were a few with cuss words so they got nixed. Dont swear and itll be approved. Sorry but my time would offer for me to read and respond. Half of the approved got the cuss scan and got the OK. Read on.
if atheism is what you say it is, then theism is to claim there are one or more gods. in order to claim this, one must have proof that supports it. in order to say there is a pin in the room, you must search the entire room until you find it. so why lie?
1) atheism is not neccesarily to claim there is no god. you dont believe in unicorns, but you dont have proof they dont exist. do you CLAIM they dont exist just because you are an a-unicornist?
Incorrect. By the definition of a god being perfect there cannot be more than one god. If it required two gods then one would not be perfect enough and therefore lacking something that the other god had. But if they were both perfect, then they must be the same thing, therefore making it possible for there to be only one god. That said, evidence and faith lead me to say that that god is the God of the Bible.
First off your logic does not follow. You jump the gun when you say that the two must be the same thing. Why? If you had a perfect bowling ball...could you not have a second perfect ball?
And second a perfect being cannot exist because we exist. Think about it. If god wanted to create us then he was lacking something, ergo no perfect.
1) Laugh all you want but my point still stands. Your logic is flawed. 2) That is hilarious considering I said nothing of the sort. I suppose reading comprehension isnt your forte.
Comparing bowling balls to God is why I am laughing. Why do you need a second perfect bowling ball if you already have one? How could you choose between the two if they both are perfect? If you chose one over the other then you are saying that the other isnt good enough for the one you chose. You cant bowl with both at the same time.
And there is tons of EVIDENCE for God. Are you joking? Have you ever been to the middle east? The only way we have a detailed account of the real breathing israelites is from the Bible.
Well the war is Biblical prophecy, but Im talking about archeological evidence. Maybe Solomons temple being found and having a layer of soot from being burned like the Bible says and then being rebuilt on top of the ashes.
lol you reply just like any other.. "evidence? why yes, of course, we have tons of it"
then why cant we prove god exists??
what then, do you concider proof that yahweh is a real god? if you give a dumb answer i will ridicule it.
A god doesnt have to be "perfect" .. hindus believe in hundreds of gods, and they are still theists.. what the hell are you talking about here?? a rather nonsencical post i must say.
are you gonna answer with questions all the time or acctually show proof of your god, or any gods at all? see i knew you couldnt bring forth anything..
what do you mean "we cant prove evolution?" is evolution not proven? do you even know the definition of evolution? if you think genetic change doesnt happen from one generation to another than omg... you are just dishonest then. it is an observable fact. why are you even discussing evolution if you dont even know BASIC science? DISHONESTY :\
I have said many times I cant prove God. There is evidence for Him, however, go buy a book called a Bible.
Evolution isnt proven. Genetic change isnt EVOLUTION, its gene mutation. Evolution requires new genus's be formed from subspecies which there is ZERO evidence for.
Youre dishonest for even claiming gene mutation is observable proven evolution. Its a theory for a reason.
I am asking for actual evidence that he is good, not gut feelings. You cannot use the bible because that is supposedly God's word, therefore you would be just taking his word for it. Having good things in your life is also not evidence considering bad things happen aswell.
I have never gotten a reponse from a theist that didn't ultimately resort to faith.
Because I dont want cuss words all over this page. Youll see I approve all comments I can get to. And to appease you, instead of approving and replying, Ill just approve every one without cuss words.
Seriously dude, If there is a god I would hate for it to be the one from the bible.
Have you even read the book? It is the most vile immoral repugnant peice of crap on this earth.
God sacrificed himself to himself to pay the punishment he attributed to the sin he created. Right..... right.........
God is so loving that the only unforgivable sin is to not worship him so for anyone that doesnt beleive in him go will torture them for eternity and YOU accept this god as JUST and MORAL
Also the "disprove god" question is redundant. It is on you to prove our assertion that there is a god. I am not making any assertion as to wether or not god exists. You a making the assertion so you have to prove it.
Let me illustrate the idiocy of your logic.
A 7 legged donkey created the universe 4.5 billion years ago. You are claiming that he didnt so you have to provide proof for your claim.
Do you see how I put words in your mouth? That is what your arguement is doing.
My evidence for my claim is that God created the heavens and the earth and that science cannot explain at all how we came to be with any fraction of certainty. You do know that the evolution theory has gone through hundreds of changes yet somehow Christianity has stayed the exact same.
oh, like noahs flood and such? christianity and many many other old stories are off course not true... science shows that. God didnt make stars in 1 day, stars are made naturaly, and STILL form!
Admit it, you claim to KNOW there is a god. AKA you dont have faith. Cause faith is believing without evidence. Now which is it, faith or know?
Faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no PROOF. I cant prove God exists. There is evidence to show the history in the Bible is true and that a man walked this earth named Jesus who did miraculous things and died and rose from death. Its faith that he will return again.
And yes, stars form from clouds of gas. But science cant explain where the first cloud of gas came from. So, keep trying.
oh scientists cant explain where the first cloud of gas came from, therefore its 100% that 'god' did it. ok that makes sense. you people always say "everything cant have just 'happened' it had to have been created"
by the same logic god couldnt have just happened, he would need to be created also, and on and on and on it goes.
we admit we dont know YET, which is reasonable, you are the people that insist that because theres no answer a magical being you pray to MUST have done it.
Youre backwards in Christian reasoning. We dont say "science cant explain how it came to be therefore there must be a God". Gods existence doesnt depend on the lack of scientific knowledge we have. You also need to check with kubush who says science can explain where the first cloud of gas came from. Seems like you atheists need to start telling the same story here.
then in the next post you say you believe even though there is no proof at all :\
How you people convince yourself that the bible is truth I'll never know, but i suspect its just blind acceptance. maybe you had a good experiance one time,and from that just accept IT ALL.. why cant you see all the ignorant, dumb, un-scientific stuff in the bible?? are you blind to it? No there isnt evidence for jesus christ.
Haha. Evidence is not the same as proof. I pray you learn these things before you start jabbering about me being a liar. Following your logic, one piece of evidence in a case is enough to convict someone since evidence is proof.... hmm. Dont think thats right.
First off, there are comments on here I havent answered. Second, there are tons of responses and while Id love to sit at work all day and respond on here, Id lose my job. Sorry.
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
Your view hinges on the idea that God is there to serve you and make your life wonderful, so youre wrong from the start. Everything is for his purpose and for his Glory. Man chose to bring evil into the world, and really, man loves to sin. And the wages of sin is death. Its right and just that we must die because we are sinful. And it is fair that God justly judges because he is just.
and you kind sir is brainwashed. if god dosn't do anything then his existans is irrelevant. God is a big joke, there is no single evidence that he exist, and your fantasy book "the bible" is a joke, untill that big joke presents himeself to me he won't exist.
The Koran says that ........oh whoops wrong book hey? Look no one has to say there is no God I suppose but an old book full of death, slavery and rape (which YHWY is quite happy with) read the old testament in full! I can tell you haven't yet, but that's okay...If you are a "athiest" which you are as well when it comes to Allah, Thor and Apollo. What makes you think they are wrong and you are right? I think deeds trump Dogma any day. You pray for me and I'll try to think for you.
Teatimenz this video is Gobshite. I could say "I dont know" which is an answer you DELIBERATELY missed out. An atheist does not claim to know that there is no God. He just doesnt beleive in your religion.
I was pointing out the flaw in the basis for your question which states that you can either say yes, no or sidestep the question. I said I dont know which is another possibility that you state is not an option.
Also your understanding of the term atheist is incorrect. An atheist lacks the beleif in god. Atheism does not state that there is no god. That would be a gnostic atheist. The term atheism does not determine wether you are agnostic or gnostic.
Saying I dont know is sidestepping. You dont know if God exists outside of your knowledge? Then you have no clue about anything. Do you not know if you know the answer to 2+2?
That is not the point and you know it. You based your answer on a false premise of there only being 2 options when I pointed out there are at least 3. I dont know being the 3rd option.
Saying I dont know is not sidestepping. It is not changing the subject or replying with a question. It is a direct and honest answer.
"Do you not know if you know the answer to 2 + 2?"
That is completely irrelevant and you know it. If you dont know it then you are wasting my time.
Of course its irrelevant. We can test time and time again what 2 + 2 is and always get the same result.
We cannot test if there is a god or not.
If you cannot see the difference and still think that these two compare then I will stop wasting my time.
I dont know if there is a god because there is no way of finding out the answer. You cannot say the same for basic mathematics. Your argument is weak and IRRELEVANT.
My point stands. You missed out a 3rd option for your question.
Agonostic and Atheist tackle two different subjects. Atheist means a lack of faith in a God. Agnostic means to not have full knowledge. Most Atheist's are Agnostic as well. If you are Agnostic, then by default you are an Atheist as that means you lack faith in a God.
But before I consider this relevant, you must first PROOF that it does. And even if you could do that, we'd still only be at the point of deism, as said hypothetical god can be entirely unrelated to any of earth's native religions. (Or could be a god of a religion different then yours!)
However without proof od such a god AND proof of its nature, you don't have a case.
If I could prove that God exists you dont have the space to then say "could God exist". If I say "Im right in front of you" and then prove it by standing in front of you, you dont have the freedom to then say "youre not in front of me"
Actually as a philosophy major you should know that you can't really prove anything 100% other than your own existence. This is why we deal with EVIDENCE not "proofs."
Haha. You just essentially wrote, I exist therefore I exist. And you say Christians have circular reasoning. Youre a joke. Did you maybe mean you THINK therefore you exist? Even so, how do you know youre not dreaming, or your brain isnt playing tricks on you?
See, you had me up until you claimed that to be an atheist is to claim there is no God.
This is a common misunderstanding.
Atheism is a lack of belief, not an assertion. God could very well exist outside of my knowledge, but that's no reason to believe in him. Unicorns, fairies, and other mythological things could actually exist, but why believe in them if there is no evidence?
The fact that I do not know is the justification for my lack of belief. I don't need to prove my lack of belief.
However, you messed up one little detail. Being an Atheist dos not mean claiming there is no god, it is claiming that you do not believe in a god. An Atheist (usually) just doesn't believe in a god, but they know it's possible.
My answer to the question would be 'yes.' I just don't believe in him.
Yes most Atheists are Agnostics, but at the same time. I haven't met an Atheist that wasn't Agnostic. This would mean that they know everything, and know that there is no God. There is no way someone could prove 100% that there is no God. However, I have met plenty of Gnostic Christians who 100% know that there is a God.
Theist means a belief in a God. When you stick an A on the start of a word it means to lack. So Atheism means a lack of belief in God. To be an Atheist doesn't mean to say that there is 100% no God. That is not Scientific. Even Richard Dawkins doesn't claim this. To be a Gnostic means to have full knowledge so Agnostic means to lack full knowledge. So you can be both an Atheist and an Agnostic.
If god is perfect and omnisscent then how did he create a universe that ended up flawed? You can't blame this on the devil because he too was an imperfect creation of god.
theres not much in this world you couldnt say existed by that logic... it doesnt make sense claiming that god exists or dont exist by that logic because there is endless of possible things that could exist in the vastness of the universe.. try to think about why the god thing is thought to be something human with a particular love for us humans? that makes no sense in this universe.. we arent even in the center of anything or bear any resemblense of any importance other than we have intelligence
Honestly, you should not be lecturing us atheists on this subject, we believe that there isn't a god and you should respect our beliefs as I respect your beliefs. We can believe in what we want to believe.
Very true. This is a video response to an atheist that wishes to question Christians to find flaws in their beliefs. This video response is the same to them.
Yes, they guessed. 200 years ago they guessed the earth was at least 20 million years old because the saw geology that took 20 million years to happen. They were wrong, the earth is much older.
What proof do you have? You do know that in dating rock you date the rocks around it, which is flawed, and they all have different dates which then you guess on your date. Plus there are different methods which are a calculated half life from the couple hundreds of years of research concluding million or billion year half lifes. Its not science, its a joke.
How do they know? You cant just say "I know this" with no evidence at all. Different methods have different time spans of half life. You cant use a billion year half life isometric dating for a thousand year old object. It doesnt work.
Your circular logic is offensive. Any rational atheist will say yes to that. That doesn't open the door... god is unlikely and improbable. You claim that if the grass is greed then the sky is green. One conclusion does not support the other.
OK genius, if you had done your logic homework you would know that it is impossible to disprove a negative. God is unfalsifiable by the criteria that it is impossible to disprove him, no matter what. By this logic, just about any other religion is a possible answer seeing as many of them could be unfalsifiable. I would agree that the Bible is an authentice peice of literature... in that it is definately a piece of literature.
The first two minutes and fourteen seconds of this video were very good. They provided an excellent logical base to begin a logical argument for god. Necessary answers after establishing this base are the necessity for a god and potential proof of this "pin" (if we're following your analogy here).
Unfortunately all I get in the last three minutes and twenty-one seconds is preaching, which I've had plenty of. As of right now this video is entirely unproductive in proving a potential god.
Nice side step and sales pitch. This made a perfect 180 turn in the middle. This prooves or says nothing. You lost all credibility once you made a bible sales pitch and started preaching. If you would have left it open to any religion, I might have let it lay. And why have you removed all the comments that er not yours? Typical of most religious people. My why or the highway.
What's more, even if you searched the ENTIRE room, you would not b e proving there is no pin because the pin could always be behind you, or somewhere just out of sight.
You cannot say that not believing in something requires proof. A negative cannot be proven. On the contrary, you CAN prove a positive, so saying "God exists" must be proven. This whole video starts off with a logical fallacy.
the trouble with the logic is it proves anything exists because you cannot search the entire universe for anything. Three eyed gorrilla monster- well it might exist somewhere so you can't say no. I would rather hear an atheist explain how an organ such as an ear or an eye would form through evolution seeing as it would be useless until it was fully formed thousands of years later. make no mistake there is an intelligent creator you just have to look.
I don't see why should an atheist consider this question... What's the point? You might as well ask yourself, "Is there a possibility that Flying Spaghetti Monster/Aliens/Elvis Ghost/Spirits/Unicorns/No god exist outside of my knowledge?"
In each case, the answer is: yes. And it doesn't make any of these things any more plausible.
Strawman argument. To be an atheist, one does not have to claim that there is no god. One simply has to reject the claim that there is, in most cases because the evidence for the claim is lacking.
There are more than 3 answers to that question. How about "We can't know %100, but I personally cannot find any evidence that he should exist."
You make the mistake of assuming atheists have not thought through their conclusions. Also, atheism is not about gods not existing. Perhaps they do. Atheism is about the NON-BELIEF, specifically, in those gods.
There is also the point of realism. Can we possibly EVER search the ENTIRE "room?" Not likely. This inability is a proof of nothing.
Change your question to "Is there the possibility Unicorns exist outside of my knoweldge". All of your logical points are the same but would you honestly say to someone who answered that with a no that they need to scan the entire Earth for unicorns before answering it? How about elves and goblins then? According to your logic all of them are just as likely to exist as god.
What you are saying is that an atheist must have proof that there is no god, but christians dont have any proof that there is one. So you basically cant claim that there is a god since you dont have absolute proof.
No, it's only as arrogant an answer as saying yes. Can you prove there is one? There is the same evidense for yes or no. I prefer to think that my life isn't ruled by a being that wants me stoned to death for likeing other guys.
"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."
This above statement is wrong. One cannot prove that something does not exist.
For example, I challenge anyone to disprove the existence of pink buddhist unicorns that circle my head constantly on flying dirt bikes chanting the lyrics to the theme song of "Three's Company". Go ahead, try to disprove it! I can do this trick with any subject matter, like the aforementioned unicorns or God.
1. Just because there is a "mere possibility" and we admit that, does not make us not atheists. We believe in the possibility of god just like we believe the possibility of anything else for which there is no tangible evidence (unicorns, dragons, flying spaghetti monsters, tooth fairies). There is no way to know anything does not exist with 100% certainty, however this is no justification for believing in a god, unless the postulation is that we should believe in everything we can conceive.
Atheism is not KNOWING that god doesn't exist. Atheism is using rationality to determine what is the most likely conclusion: that gods don't exist. Obviously, it's POSSIBLE that a god exists outside of our knowledge, but it's also possible for fairies to exist outside of our knowledge. It's equally unlikely, and I don't suppose you believe in fairies, either.
the question you pose is a good one, but the answer you put were too simple.
richard dawkins put this rather well.
he put it on a scale from 1 to 7
7 being atheist knowing there's no god.
even he said he's a 6 and claims himself as a agnostic atheist because of the very point you claim. yes it's true god can't be disproven, and that's a fact, but the evidence far outweighs the evidence he's there.
I find it to be a random conclusion to believe in the existence of a god. I do not deny the existence of one, I simply do not believe in one because of the infinite other random possibilities one can fathom. I go by what is observable and provided that science does not dictate absolutes, I believe this is a legit answer. But to directly answer your question, the possibility may be true but in no way does it convince me to convert my atheistic point of view to a religious one.
I can't say there is no God because I haven't looked under every rock on planet Venus? If that's your argument, then it's quite flawed. Disproof is achievable by at least two means other than "knowing everything". One way is to show it's logically inconsistent. I know no "round squares" exist in the universe, even without looking under every rock on Venus. Another way is to show that God's existence necessitates some empirical consequence, and then checking and finding that this doesn't occur.
You only allow for 3 answers, but let me add a 4th:
"In the same way that Santa Claus, fairies and unicorns have the possibility to exist outside of my knowledge then yes, God has the possibility to exist outside of my knowledge. However, in order for the question to be fair you must first explain what you mean by "God," or better yet which "God" you are referring to. A quick glance at the world's religions reveals many to choose from. They are all "possible" outside of my knowledge."
From a purely deistic point of view, you had a bit of a point going for you there, at least a little bit... But then you brought up the Bible, and ruined it all.
last time i checked, atheism was the LACK of the belief, not the claim.
second of all ,there is absolutely no physical evidence FOR or AGAINST god, simply because you cant get physical evidence for something that doesnt exist.
third of all...
theres a big difference between a fish and the "creator of everything"
@ question: anything and everything may exist outside of "our" knowledge but mostly it fallows probability & logic, which aren't on your side.
@ murder? that makes a lil more sense except for the fact it is not for does like you to define "sin" nor that "DEATH" should be the typical solution for anything
@ jesus: if he existed and was as wise as you say he was he would have been ashamed of this nonsense your promoting
Your comments starting at 0:56 are somewhat misguided. Atheists do not claim that they know there is no God. They say there is no evidence of one. Dawkins, Weinberg, and others have explicitly conceded God cannot be disproved; neither for that matter can fairies at the bottom of the garden. If you haven't read The God Delusion, please do so. He answers your objection fully.
Atheist makes better video.. this one sucks. I don't have to prove that Superman doesn't exist. I know he doesn't. If you believe that Superman exist, you need to prove it, because that defies logic.
of course there is a possibility that a god exists. there is a possibility that any logically valid thing exists. an a-theist is simply one who does not have a belief in a god(a- meaning lack of and theist meaning one who has a belief in the existence of one or more divinities. It makes no positive claim in and of itself. the mere possibility of an entity existing is also not sufficient enough to start making claims about properties of said entity
i cannot disprove the existance of god any more than i can disprove the existance of leprechauns, the loch ness monster, big foot, unicorns or any number of equally fantastic ideas...so how exactly does that give fuel to the idea that god exists, yet the others probably (well definitely really) don`t exist? once again we see the same tired old mindset
He did not miss the point, you do. A pin is a real thing that is often found in a room. It is not extraordinary to believe in pins. I have seen and touched them myself. I could claim that there is a 2000 foot gorilla hiding in the Arctic Ocean just off of Greenland, but you could confidently claim that you know that I am wrong, even without searching the Arctic Ocean.
Just because you cannot disprove an entity's existence does not imply that it is equally likely that the entity does exist. You cannot disprove the existence of Thor, Zeus, Ra, Brahma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster but I doubt you would claim they exist. There is an infinite number of entities one could postulate, as such the burden of proof lies with you. Which parts of the Bible are supported by science? For instance Genesis is demonstrably false, surely God would not make such an error.
Wrong. You do not need any additional proof for atheism besides the lack of proof that theists provide. If we believed every idea that we couldn't disprove, then we would believe a lot of crazy things.
Ho hum. It's the 'Burden of Proof' fallacy. No rational thinker claims that there definitely 100% is no god. We say that the probability of a god existing is so small as too be negligible.
However, you're the one making the claim that god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. If you think my inability to disprove god is sufficient reason to believe in him, you must also believe in faeries, dragons, unicorns, giants, bigfoot, minotaurs, pegasus etc. 'cause I can't disprove them either.
Now hold on..this is sort of backing us into a corner.
No has other possible branches like one could say "No there is no god, because he cannot be proven or disproven" but then again..god is a rather ambigious thing..unlike creatonism which is of course redicoulas god is somthing tricky.
you make some good points in the beginning, until you start the bible talk. the sentence "the bible is considered an authentic and important piece of literature" isn't really true. yes, it's important as a cultural text with an immense influence, but so are other scriptures, to a lesser degree, in their respective cultures their influenced. it is not, however, authentic as a whole. from historical inaccuracies to forged texts and false authorship, it's just another man made piece of writing.
No, there is no possibility that God exists outside my knowledge. And no I don't need evidence to prove this.
Before I can be required to have evidence to justify my non-belief, God has to be logically consistent. If he is not logically consistent THERE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE EVIDENCE FOR HIM.
For me, the door is open for the discovery that a creator exists.
However, this present god evolved out of all the gods man created throughout the ages to enable him to cope with the unknowns around him. Especially man`s quest for an afterlife.
This present god fills that quest.
To control the masses, man and the church via the bible, added baggage to this god.
The chance of religion's god existing is little to none. The existence of a deist god is likely and a pantheistic god is undebatable because it is the big bang and the laws of science. A god that interacts with us in our lives makes little to no sense. We have found planets with water in galaxies billions of light years we do not have the technology to study for life, but if there is life how can religion account for that?
The whole floating pen analogy misses the point, as pointing to a tree or a man or a mountainside isn't the same as pointing to a marked paper. Unless in the analogy the skeptic then points to a printing press in the corner of the room to represent natural processes.
As an atheist, I'd point out that we do not, as a rule, posit deity as impossible. We do, however, reject the religions presented thusfar after disproving their claims using science and logic. We don't yet have all the answers, but are demonstrably closer to the mark than any ancient superstition.
To be an atheist 'One must have proof that supports it'.
Im sure people have tried to make you aware of this, but the burden of proof is on you, Do you agree?
If i gave you a book i'd hand written, about the time i spent camping in my garden and came across a fairy, who told me that there is a fairy god and all people should worship that god, would you worship that god?
That is no different to what your asking us to do.
Your example about the fish that scientists believed to be extinct was not the best example. The fish was already proven to have existed previously, we had just assumed that it no longer existed. It's a big leap comparing the two. On one hand this species once existed but now is believed to be extinct. On the other hand you have a god which has never been proven to exist.
In response to the question, yes it is possible that a god exists outside of my knowledge; however, the knowledge I do hold suggests that there is no god. So while I do not claim I "know" there is no god, I do claim that I am reasonably sure there isn't.
I have an open-minded attitude towards evidence that supports the bible. Strangely you did not include any in this video. Indeed no christian ever has. When such evidence araises I will conisder it openmindedly.
The answer to the question is: Yes, and please do not suppose what atheists say.
Pascal's wager was the best sarcastic saying of all time. Thiests still don't realise how poorly the logic points to a choice between heresy and apostasy. I much prefer apostasy.
yes there is a possibilty i am wrong but it is probaly less than 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% for example can u jump to the moon u cant prove u cant unless u try every thing. since the chance of me being wrong is so small its pure stupidty to disagree with me. now answer my question is there a possiblity that god doesnt exist. have u done every possibilty to show that he does. well atheist have done alot more possibilties to prove that he doesnt so they are most likly right.
Well, your question is valid. however, atheism isnt "the claim that there is no god"
It's the belief that there is no god. Purely an opinion based on perception of facts provided. And i can understand that your god is "immaterial and therefore unprovable", but that doesnt weigh for you, nor does it weigh against you. It's a simple sidestep of the issue. And in my opinion and experience, provable facts outweigh improveable.
You don't need to claim "There is no God" to be an atheist. All atheism is is the lack of a belief in God. Buddhists are atheists and agnostics are atheists. All you have to do to be an atheist is not believe in God. There is a difference between believing something doesn't exist and not believing something exists.
Any serious and intellectual atheist will tell you that they cannot 100% accurately be sure there is not a God. Claming something like that would just be absurd.
this is sad. you can't falsify a negative therefor you can't prove anything doesn't exist. this means that the burden of proof is on the person that is making the claim. and no there is no good evidence for any god, and a lack of evidence is evidence of a lacking in this case. but i'm sure you've been told all this before and you just ignore it. and i bet you'll delete this comment and just continue to live in ignorance.
The point raised is actually quite valid. I think most atheists won't claim that they know absolutely that a god does not exist, but rather that all evidence point to that god does not exist.
The video is a lot less critical of its own vantage point. How do you KNOW for certain that Jesus arose from the dead? Is it not possible that you are wrong (like the atheists about god)? How do you KNOW the Bible is true since you have not read all books that exist (or explored the entire universe)?
I do not understand why people who consider themselves religious, need to put this on everyone else??? Religion is a crutch for those wanting to feel there is a purpose to life and feel a sense of connection and community with others. While Im on the subject, the Bible was written by political/religious, writers/journalists of the time. 'God' didnt write a word and the Bible is no more important or legitimate than 'The Secret' book. So leave everyone to their own crutch, whatever that may be.
Firstly, an invidual cannot be called upon to prove a negative.
Secondly, since you have, and if I entertain your logic, You would have to answer YES to the question: Is there a possibility that God does not exist outside your knowledge?
Which, from a Christian viewpoint, will upset your God.
Good video dude. But look, here on YouTube Atheists can say what they want because they have time to put together an irrational claim; on the other hand, in real life if they were presented with evidence they would simply walk away because while they say we cannot prove God, they cannot prove Evolution. You can't get in their face, which is why all of the Atheists run to YouTube to spout off their narcissistic hate speech. Again, good video and God bless you.
I agree with you; That question can only be answered with yes, as it is impossible to prove that there is no god. Likewise, you cannot prove that Allah is not real, or Thor, or Odin or Zeuz. You also can't prove that there IS a god. Difference between Theist and Atheist boils down to either needing proof of the existance of god or needing proof of god not existing to believe the other side. Both sides face an impossible task to 'convert' the other side to their view as both things are impossible
every single atheist book i can think of that has been written within the past 100 years has taken this for granted. it is fairly obvious that when we are having a god vs no god discussion we are talking about probabilities and this is evident in most (proper) atheist literature. i was just wondering why you went from this frankly basic idea to preaching ABOUT god. please read some real literature before posting confusing videos like this please.
sorry im just wondering why you simply sidestepped the entire point of your video. i mean you begin with posing a question to atheists and then you eliminate the two that frankly i have realised are stupid since i was a small child: no and it doesnt matter. however admitting yes does not mean anything.
THERE! every comment approved. There were a few with cuss words so they got nixed. Dont swear and itll be approved. Sorry but my time would offer for me to read and respond. Half of the approved got the cuss scan and got the OK. Read on.
teatimenz 2 years ago
if atheism is what you say it is, then theism is to claim there are one or more gods. in order to claim this, one must have proof that supports it. in order to say there is a pin in the room, you must search the entire room until you find it. so why lie?
1) atheism is not neccesarily to claim there is no god. you dont believe in unicorns, but you dont have proof they dont exist. do you CLAIM they dont exist just because you are an a-unicornist?
2) there is no viable scientific evidence 4 god.
sethecx 2 years ago
Incorrect. By the definition of a god being perfect there cannot be more than one god. If it required two gods then one would not be perfect enough and therefore lacking something that the other god had. But if they were both perfect, then they must be the same thing, therefore making it possible for there to be only one god. That said, evidence and faith lead me to say that that god is the God of the Bible.
teatimenz 2 years ago
First off your logic does not follow. You jump the gun when you say that the two must be the same thing. Why? If you had a perfect bowling ball...could you not have a second perfect ball?
And second a perfect being cannot exist because we exist. Think about it. If god wanted to create us then he was lacking something, ergo no perfect.
kubush 2 years ago
1 - Comparing a human made bowling ball to God is hilarious. 2 - Are you saying man is perfect? Thats hilarious.
teatimenz 2 years ago
1) Laugh all you want but my point still stands. Your logic is flawed. 2) That is hilarious considering I said nothing of the sort. I suppose reading comprehension isnt your forte.
kubush 2 years ago
Comparing bowling balls to God is why I am laughing. Why do you need a second perfect bowling ball if you already have one? How could you choose between the two if they both are perfect? If you chose one over the other then you are saying that the other isnt good enough for the one you chose. You cant bowl with both at the same time.
teatimenz 2 years ago
And there is tons of EVIDENCE for God. Are you joking? Have you ever been to the middle east? The only way we have a detailed account of the real breathing israelites is from the Bible.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Oh yes, the middle east is perfect evidence for god...*eyes rolling*
kubush 2 years ago
The land in which the Israelites live champ, not the Muslim world and the fighting.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Israelies and Muslims both live in the middle east champ. And there is plenty of fighting in Israel if you havent noticed.
kubush 2 years ago
Well the war is Biblical prophecy, but Im talking about archeological evidence. Maybe Solomons temple being found and having a layer of soot from being burned like the Bible says and then being rebuilt on top of the ashes.
teatimenz 2 years ago
lol you reply just like any other.. "evidence? why yes, of course, we have tons of it"
then why cant we prove god exists??
what then, do you concider proof that yahweh is a real god? if you give a dumb answer i will ridicule it.
A god doesnt have to be "perfect" .. hindus believe in hundreds of gods, and they are still theists.. what the hell are you talking about here?? a rather nonsencical post i must say.
sethecx 2 years ago
Why cant you prove evolution? Why cant you prove the theory of relativity?
One God. And youre arguing Hindus? Thats kind of the point. They worship imperfect beings. Hardly gods.
teatimenz 2 years ago
are you gonna answer with questions all the time or acctually show proof of your god, or any gods at all? see i knew you couldnt bring forth anything..
what do you mean "we cant prove evolution?" is evolution not proven? do you even know the definition of evolution? if you think genetic change doesnt happen from one generation to another than omg... you are just dishonest then. it is an observable fact. why are you even discussing evolution if you dont even know BASIC science? DISHONESTY :\
sethecx 2 years ago
I have said many times I cant prove God. There is evidence for Him, however, go buy a book called a Bible.
Evolution isnt proven. Genetic change isnt EVOLUTION, its gene mutation. Evolution requires new genus's be formed from subspecies which there is ZERO evidence for.
Youre dishonest for even claiming gene mutation is observable proven evolution. Its a theory for a reason.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Let me ask you this: How do you know God is good?
I am asking for actual evidence that he is good, not gut feelings. You cannot use the bible because that is supposedly God's word, therefore you would be just taking his word for it. Having good things in your life is also not evidence considering bad things happen aswell.
I have never gotten a reponse from a theist that didn't ultimately resort to faith.
kubush 2 years ago
Because He made us.
teatimenz 2 years ago
...? You are replying to a comment made 2 years ago...what are you replying to?
Because he made us? We werent made...we evolved.
kubush 2 years ago
Why do you filter your comments?
kubush 2 years ago
Because I dont want cuss words all over this page. Youll see I approve all comments I can get to. And to appease you, instead of approving and replying, Ill just approve every one without cuss words.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Seriously dude, If there is a god I would hate for it to be the one from the bible.
Have you even read the book? It is the most vile immoral repugnant peice of crap on this earth.
God sacrificed himself to himself to pay the punishment he attributed to the sin he created. Right..... right.........
God is so loving that the only unforgivable sin is to not worship him so for anyone that doesnt beleive in him go will torture them for eternity and YOU accept this god as JUST and MORAL
horseburger 2 years ago
Also the "disprove god" question is redundant. It is on you to prove our assertion that there is a god. I am not making any assertion as to wether or not god exists. You a making the assertion so you have to prove it.
Let me illustrate the idiocy of your logic.
A 7 legged donkey created the universe 4.5 billion years ago. You are claiming that he didnt so you have to provide proof for your claim.
Do you see how I put words in your mouth? That is what your arguement is doing.
horseburger 2 years ago
My evidence for my claim is that God created the heavens and the earth and that science cannot explain at all how we came to be with any fraction of certainty. You do know that the evolution theory has gone through hundreds of changes yet somehow Christianity has stayed the exact same.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Questions are posed to christians by
SCIENTISTS, NOT ATHEISTS.
Science does not use the supernatural, magic, or voodoo. That does not make all scientists atheists.
gregrutz 2 years ago
A lot of scientists are Christians. The two dont clash like you think they do.
teatimenz 2 years ago
he just said not all scientists are atheists...
jiiiz,.. why am i even bothering replying to a censoring christian who only approves comments he likes..
sethecx 2 years ago
I know champ. Their assertion is that science doesnt fit with christianity. I say it does and other scientists agree. Make sense now?
teatimenz 2 years ago
oh, like noahs flood and such? christianity and many many other old stories are off course not true... science shows that. God didnt make stars in 1 day, stars are made naturaly, and STILL form!
Admit it, you claim to KNOW there is a god. AKA you dont have faith. Cause faith is believing without evidence. Now which is it, faith or know?
sethecx 2 years ago
Faith is a firm belief in something for which there is no PROOF. I cant prove God exists. There is evidence to show the history in the Bible is true and that a man walked this earth named Jesus who did miraculous things and died and rose from death. Its faith that he will return again.
And yes, stars form from clouds of gas. But science cant explain where the first cloud of gas came from. So, keep trying.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Actually, there is as much evidence that Jesus did miracles and rose from the dead as there is for bigfoot and alien abductions.
Actually science does explains where the gas comes from...ask a physicist.
kubush 2 years ago
@kubush The first cloud of gas. And no, science cant.
teatimenz 1 year ago
oh scientists cant explain where the first cloud of gas came from, therefore its 100% that 'god' did it. ok that makes sense. you people always say "everything cant have just 'happened' it had to have been created"
by the same logic god couldnt have just happened, he would need to be created also, and on and on and on it goes.
we admit we dont know YET, which is reasonable, you are the people that insist that because theres no answer a magical being you pray to MUST have done it.
delusional
superwowie111 2 years ago 4
Youre backwards in Christian reasoning. We dont say "science cant explain how it came to be therefore there must be a God". Gods existence doesnt depend on the lack of scientific knowledge we have. You also need to check with kubush who says science can explain where the first cloud of gas came from. Seems like you atheists need to start telling the same story here.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Im glad you revealed yourself as a liar.
teatimenz: "there is tons of EVIDENCE for God"
then in the next post you say you believe even though there is no proof at all :\
How you people convince yourself that the bible is truth I'll never know, but i suspect its just blind acceptance. maybe you had a good experiance one time,and from that just accept IT ALL.. why cant you see all the ignorant, dumb, un-scientific stuff in the bible?? are you blind to it? No there isnt evidence for jesus christ.
sethecx 2 years ago 4
Haha. Evidence is not the same as proof. I pray you learn these things before you start jabbering about me being a liar. Following your logic, one piece of evidence in a case is enough to convict someone since evidence is proof.... hmm. Dont think thats right.
teatimenz 2 years ago
you are confused and your reasoning is wrong
superwowie111 2 years ago
I hope youre not on a debate team. That argument wouldnt work too well.
teatimenz 2 years ago
i wasnt arguing, its a fact
superwowie111 2 years ago
Facts have evidence that support them. Cite your facts.
teatimenz 2 years ago
where are all the comments from viewers?
cappadinoceo 2 years ago
Theyre coming. I have to approve them all. I do a lot more than approve comments online with my time.
teatimenz 2 years ago
but you seem to have time to respond. perhaps you just dont have time for responses that you have no ans for?
cappadinoceo 2 years ago
First off, there are comments on here I havent answered. Second, there are tons of responses and while Id love to sit at work all day and respond on here, Id lose my job. Sorry.
teatimenz 2 years ago
well then perhaps you should stop posting videos and get bk to wrk flipin burgers...
cappadinoceo 2 years ago
How many burger kings have a computer with internet? Network engineers eat burgers, we dont make them.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
TyphorT38 2 years ago 3
Your view hinges on the idea that God is there to serve you and make your life wonderful, so youre wrong from the start. Everything is for his purpose and for his Glory. Man chose to bring evil into the world, and really, man loves to sin. And the wages of sin is death. Its right and just that we must die because we are sinful. And it is fair that God justly judges because he is just.
teatimenz 2 years ago
and you kind sir is brainwashed. if god dosn't do anything then his existans is irrelevant. God is a big joke, there is no single evidence that he exist, and your fantasy book "the bible" is a joke, untill that big joke presents himeself to me he won't exist.
TyphorT38 2 years ago
He wont exist or you wont believe he exists? (spell check)
teatimenz 2 years ago
The Koran says that ........oh whoops wrong book hey? Look no one has to say there is no God I suppose but an old book full of death, slavery and rape (which YHWY is quite happy with) read the old testament in full! I can tell you haven't yet, but that's okay...If you are a "athiest" which you are as well when it comes to Allah, Thor and Apollo. What makes you think they are wrong and you are right? I think deeds trump Dogma any day. You pray for me and I'll try to think for you.
Biggredd1977 2 years ago
Teatimenz this video is Gobshite. I could say "I dont know" which is an answer you DELIBERATELY missed out. An atheist does not claim to know that there is no God. He just doesnt beleive in your religion.
horseburger 2 years ago
You can say you dont know. That would make you an agnostic.
teatimenz 2 years ago
I was pointing out the flaw in the basis for your question which states that you can either say yes, no or sidestep the question. I said I dont know which is another possibility that you state is not an option.
Also your understanding of the term atheist is incorrect. An atheist lacks the beleif in god. Atheism does not state that there is no god. That would be a gnostic atheist. The term atheism does not determine wether you are agnostic or gnostic.
horseburger 2 years ago
Saying I dont know is sidestepping. You dont know if God exists outside of your knowledge? Then you have no clue about anything. Do you not know if you know the answer to 2+2?
teatimenz 2 years ago
teatimenz
That is not the point and you know it. You based your answer on a false premise of there only being 2 options when I pointed out there are at least 3. I dont know being the 3rd option.
Saying I dont know is not sidestepping. It is not changing the subject or replying with a question. It is a direct and honest answer.
"Do you not know if you know the answer to 2 + 2?"
That is completely irrelevant and you know it. If you dont know it then you are wasting my time.
horseburger 2 years ago
Its not irrelevant. That is your argument. I was following your logic. You only want to ignore it now because its ABSURD
teatimenz 2 years ago
Of course its irrelevant. We can test time and time again what 2 + 2 is and always get the same result.
We cannot test if there is a god or not.
If you cannot see the difference and still think that these two compare then I will stop wasting my time.
I dont know if there is a god because there is no way of finding out the answer. You cannot say the same for basic mathematics. Your argument is weak and IRRELEVANT.
My point stands. You missed out a 3rd option for your question.
horseburger 2 years ago
Agonostic and Atheist tackle two different subjects. Atheist means a lack of faith in a God. Agnostic means to not have full knowledge. Most Atheist's are Agnostic as well. If you are Agnostic, then by default you are an Atheist as that means you lack faith in a God.
WestHamBestie 2 years ago
but how can you claim there to be a god outside of your belief system?
GCkidd 2 years ago
atheist want to do wrong that why the deny GOD, so the dont feel sorry for wrong think the would do.
admoonhermiz 2 years ago
they thought a fish was extinct, then they found one and it is proof it lives.
So find god and you can prove there is one. god is accepted on faith only.
gregrutz 2 years ago
Evidence supports faith. I dont try to prove God.
teatimenz 2 years ago
why did you pick the god of the bible and not a different god?
gregrutz 2 years ago
Because I believe in the God of the Bible.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Oh, I can answer that question quite well.
Sure, a god could exist outside my knowledge.
But before I consider this relevant, you must first PROOF that it does. And even if you could do that, we'd still only be at the point of deism, as said hypothetical god can be entirely unrelated to any of earth's native religions. (Or could be a god of a religion different then yours!)
However without proof od such a god AND proof of its nature, you don't have a case.
Shavarnarak 2 years ago
If I could prove that God exists you dont have the space to then say "could God exist". If I say "Im right in front of you" and then prove it by standing in front of you, you dont have the freedom to then say "youre not in front of me"
teatimenz 2 years ago
Actually as a philosophy major you should know that you can't really prove anything 100% other than your own existence. This is why we deal with EVIDENCE not "proofs."
kubush 2 years ago
Actually, you cant even prove your own existence. So youre wrong on all accounts.
teatimenz 2 years ago
I exist therefore I am.
kubush 2 years ago
Haha. You just essentially wrote, I exist therefore I exist. And you say Christians have circular reasoning. Youre a joke. Did you maybe mean you THINK therefore you exist? Even so, how do you know youre not dreaming, or your brain isnt playing tricks on you?
teatimenz 2 years ago
See, you had me up until you claimed that to be an atheist is to claim there is no God.
This is a common misunderstanding.
Atheism is a lack of belief, not an assertion. God could very well exist outside of my knowledge, but that's no reason to believe in him. Unicorns, fairies, and other mythological things could actually exist, but why believe in them if there is no evidence?
The fact that I do not know is the justification for my lack of belief. I don't need to prove my lack of belief.
NotQuiteGobShite 2 years ago
Oh dear gracious. Youre agnostic!
teatimenz 2 years ago
I'm an agnostic atheist.
Agnostic: Someone who is doubtful or noncommittal about something.
Atheist: One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods.
NotQuiteGobShite 2 years ago
It's a well thought out video. I applaud you.
However, you messed up one little detail. Being an Atheist dos not mean claiming there is no god, it is claiming that you do not believe in a god. An Atheist (usually) just doesn't believe in a god, but they know it's possible.
My answer to the question would be 'yes.' I just don't believe in him.
ScorchAndFriends 2 years ago
The point is that most atheists are in fact agnostics. They dont know but they choose to say they dont believe in God.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Most atheists are also agnostics. They are not mutually exclusive.
kubush 2 years ago
Yes most Atheists are Agnostics, but at the same time. I haven't met an Atheist that wasn't Agnostic. This would mean that they know everything, and know that there is no God. There is no way someone could prove 100% that there is no God. However, I have met plenty of Gnostic Christians who 100% know that there is a God.
WestHamBestie 2 years ago
If you can accept the possibility that there might be a God you can also accept the possibilty that there might NOT be a God.
MrPlaid81 2 years ago
thats called being an agnostic.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Theist means a belief in a God. When you stick an A on the start of a word it means to lack. So Atheism means a lack of belief in God. To be an Atheist doesn't mean to say that there is 100% no God. That is not Scientific. Even Richard Dawkins doesn't claim this. To be a Gnostic means to have full knowledge so Agnostic means to lack full knowledge. So you can be both an Atheist and an Agnostic.
WestHamBestie 2 years ago
If god is perfect and omnisscent then how did he create a universe that ended up flawed? You can't blame this on the devil because he too was an imperfect creation of god.
phookadude 2 years ago
Mans sin. Read Genesis.
teatimenz 2 years ago
What commandment did I break? I don't want to sin but you say I do, how do I stop if I am not doing anything wrong?
gregrutz 2 years ago
By using your logic, you can't claim that there is a god untill you have searched the entire universe.
lamz0rs 2 years ago
No, you cant claim to PROVE there is a God until you have search the entire universe.
teatimenz 2 years ago
That doesnt make any sense. Do you have to search the entire universe to prove that there is water? Or can I just bring you a glass?
kubush 2 years ago
0:31
Yes, but there's no evidence.
Atheist != Antitheist
Atheist = lack of belief, not the belief in the lack of
bhig3 3 years ago
theres not much in this world you couldnt say existed by that logic... it doesnt make sense claiming that god exists or dont exist by that logic because there is endless of possible things that could exist in the vastness of the universe.. try to think about why the god thing is thought to be something human with a particular love for us humans? that makes no sense in this universe.. we arent even in the center of anything or bear any resemblense of any importance other than we have intelligence
mollen19 3 years ago
Honestly, you should not be lecturing us atheists on this subject, we believe that there isn't a god and you should respect our beliefs as I respect your beliefs. We can believe in what we want to believe.
Arvo92 3 years ago
Very true. This is a video response to an atheist that wishes to question Christians to find flaws in their beliefs. This video response is the same to them.
teatimenz 2 years ago
If you think the earth is 6000 years old, geologist will disagree.
gregrutz 2 years ago
With joke dating methods. But I think its older than that.
teatimenz 2 years ago
where are the comments?
Geologist knew the earth was millions of years old when nuclear scientists said it was billions of years old.
gregrutz 2 years ago
Knew? You mean guessed? Maybe hoped?
teatimenz 2 years ago
Yes, they guessed. 200 years ago they guessed the earth was at least 20 million years old because the saw geology that took 20 million years to happen. They were wrong, the earth is much older.
gregrutz 2 years ago
What proof do you have? You do know that in dating rock you date the rocks around it, which is flawed, and they all have different dates which then you guess on your date. Plus there are different methods which are a calculated half life from the couple hundreds of years of research concluding million or billion year half lifes. Its not science, its a joke.
teatimenz 2 years ago
first, I didn't say anything about radiometric dating, I said geologist already know the earth was million of years old.
second, they date volcanic ash layers above and below the fossil.
third, there are different methods and are used to cross check each other.
Read a geology book.
gregrutz 2 years ago
How do they know? You cant just say "I know this" with no evidence at all. Different methods have different time spans of half life. You cant use a billion year half life isometric dating for a thousand year old object. It doesnt work.
teatimenz 2 years ago
Your circular logic is offensive. Any rational atheist will say yes to that. That doesn't open the door... god is unlikely and improbable. You claim that if the grass is greed then the sky is green. One conclusion does not support the other.
turkagent 3 years ago
How is it circular? Funny how you say any rational atheist will say yes, yet so many that watch this say No.
teatimenz 2 years ago
OK genius, if you had done your logic homework you would know that it is impossible to disprove a negative. God is unfalsifiable by the criteria that it is impossible to disprove him, no matter what. By this logic, just about any other religion is a possible answer seeing as many of them could be unfalsifiable. I would agree that the Bible is an authentice peice of literature... in that it is definately a piece of literature.
xNickTheBrickx 3 years ago
The first two minutes and fourteen seconds of this video were very good. They provided an excellent logical base to begin a logical argument for god. Necessary answers after establishing this base are the necessity for a god and potential proof of this "pin" (if we're following your analogy here).
Unfortunately all I get in the last three minutes and twenty-one seconds is preaching, which I've had plenty of. As of right now this video is entirely unproductive in proving a potential god.
teapottheory 3 years ago
Nice side step and sales pitch. This made a perfect 180 turn in the middle. This prooves or says nothing. You lost all credibility once you made a bible sales pitch and started preaching. If you would have left it open to any religion, I might have let it lay. And why have you removed all the comments that er not yours? Typical of most religious people. My why or the highway.
cbremer83 3 years ago
What's more, even if you searched the ENTIRE room, you would not b e proving there is no pin because the pin could always be behind you, or somewhere just out of sight.
FeralCr 3 years ago
You cannot say that not believing in something requires proof. A negative cannot be proven. On the contrary, you CAN prove a positive, so saying "God exists" must be proven. This whole video starts off with a logical fallacy.
FeralCr 3 years ago
the trouble with the logic is it proves anything exists because you cannot search the entire universe for anything. Three eyed gorrilla monster- well it might exist somewhere so you can't say no. I would rather hear an atheist explain how an organ such as an ear or an eye would form through evolution seeing as it would be useless until it was fully formed thousands of years later. make no mistake there is an intelligent creator you just have to look.
postman501 3 years ago
*facepalm*
You got the definition of atheism wrong.
ravingdead 3 years ago
I don't see why should an atheist consider this question... What's the point? You might as well ask yourself, "Is there a possibility that Flying Spaghetti Monster/Aliens/Elvis Ghost/Spirits/Unicorns/No god exist outside of my knowledge?"
In each case, the answer is: yes. And it doesn't make any of these things any more plausible.
SexyMelon 3 years ago
Strawman argument. To be an atheist, one does not have to claim that there is no god. One simply has to reject the claim that there is, in most cases because the evidence for the claim is lacking.
frellthat 3 years ago
There are more than 3 answers to that question. How about "We can't know %100, but I personally cannot find any evidence that he should exist."
You make the mistake of assuming atheists have not thought through their conclusions. Also, atheism is not about gods not existing. Perhaps they do. Atheism is about the NON-BELIEF, specifically, in those gods.
There is also the point of realism. Can we possibly EVER search the ENTIRE "room?" Not likely. This inability is a proof of nothing.
DeadlyChinchilla 3 years ago
Change your question to "Is there the possibility Unicorns exist outside of my knoweldge". All of your logical points are the same but would you honestly say to someone who answered that with a no that they need to scan the entire Earth for unicorns before answering it? How about elves and goblins then? According to your logic all of them are just as likely to exist as god.
unklelemmy 3 years ago
What you are saying is that an atheist must have proof that there is no god, but christians dont have any proof that there is one. So you basically cant claim that there is a god since you dont have absolute proof.
BleediTheGreat 3 years ago
No, it's only as arrogant an answer as saying yes. Can you prove there is one? There is the same evidense for yes or no. I prefer to think that my life isn't ruled by a being that wants me stoned to death for likeing other guys.
SkyShaw 3 years ago
I very much liked the video. Thank you for making it :)
finalfantasy21692 3 years ago
Negative proofs are a logical fallacy:
"X is true because there is no proof that X is false."
This above statement is wrong. One cannot prove that something does not exist.
For example, I challenge anyone to disprove the existence of pink buddhist unicorns that circle my head constantly on flying dirt bikes chanting the lyrics to the theme song of "Three's Company". Go ahead, try to disprove it! I can do this trick with any subject matter, like the aforementioned unicorns or God.
octelcogopod 3 years ago
Is there the possibility that god exists within my knowledge?
No. Not even the slightest possibility.
Nebzz 3 years ago
3. The rest of your argument goes well beyond the point and in no way logically follows. It's just christian propaganda.
TonyX311 3 years ago
2. The bible IS NOT considered to be an authentic piece of literature by non-believers, and many believers also do not consider it to be authentic.
TonyX311 3 years ago
1. Just because there is a "mere possibility" and we admit that, does not make us not atheists. We believe in the possibility of god just like we believe the possibility of anything else for which there is no tangible evidence (unicorns, dragons, flying spaghetti monsters, tooth fairies). There is no way to know anything does not exist with 100% certainty, however this is no justification for believing in a god, unless the postulation is that we should believe in everything we can conceive.
TonyX311 3 years ago
Atheism is not KNOWING that god doesn't exist. Atheism is using rationality to determine what is the most likely conclusion: that gods don't exist. Obviously, it's POSSIBLE that a god exists outside of our knowledge, but it's also possible for fairies to exist outside of our knowledge. It's equally unlikely, and I don't suppose you believe in fairies, either.
goshjosh182 3 years ago
the question you pose is a good one, but the answer you put were too simple.
richard dawkins put this rather well.
he put it on a scale from 1 to 7
7 being atheist knowing there's no god.
even he said he's a 6 and claims himself as a agnostic atheist because of the very point you claim. yes it's true god can't be disproven, and that's a fact, but the evidence far outweighs the evidence he's there.
taans1 3 years ago
how would you define belief, as opposed to knowledge?
would you agree that the default position to take on any given proposition, is a negative belief (or a non-belief - if you define them differently)?
is there any situation where you would consider a positive belief as a default?
why?
ubermunch666 3 years ago
I find it to be a random conclusion to believe in the existence of a god. I do not deny the existence of one, I simply do not believe in one because of the infinite other random possibilities one can fathom. I go by what is observable and provided that science does not dictate absolutes, I believe this is a legit answer. But to directly answer your question, the possibility may be true but in no way does it convince me to convert my atheistic point of view to a religious one.
upyours192 3 years ago
I can't say there is no God because I haven't looked under every rock on planet Venus? If that's your argument, then it's quite flawed. Disproof is achievable by at least two means other than "knowing everything". One way is to show it's logically inconsistent. I know no "round squares" exist in the universe, even without looking under every rock on Venus. Another way is to show that God's existence necessitates some empirical consequence, and then checking and finding that this doesn't occur.
VeryEvilPettingZoo 3 years ago
You only allow for 3 answers, but let me add a 4th:
"In the same way that Santa Claus, fairies and unicorns have the possibility to exist outside of my knowledge then yes, God has the possibility to exist outside of my knowledge. However, in order for the question to be fair you must first explain what you mean by "God," or better yet which "God" you are referring to. A quick glance at the world's religions reveals many to choose from. They are all "possible" outside of my knowledge."
worldsworstjukebox 3 years ago
From a purely deistic point of view, you had a bit of a point going for you there, at least a little bit... But then you brought up the Bible, and ruined it all.
KevinLockard 3 years ago
the phrase at the end is "pascals wager"
it is significantly flawed and proven false from every aspect, much like the watch maker argument.
jassi4010709 3 years ago
last time i checked, atheism was the LACK of the belief, not the claim.
second of all ,there is absolutely no physical evidence FOR or AGAINST god, simply because you cant get physical evidence for something that doesnt exist.
third of all...
theres a big difference between a fish and the "creator of everything"
jassi4010709 3 years ago
@ question: anything and everything may exist outside of "our" knowledge but mostly it fallows probability & logic, which aren't on your side.
@ murder? that makes a lil more sense except for the fact it is not for does like you to define "sin" nor that "DEATH" should be the typical solution for anything
@ jesus: if he existed and was as wise as you say he was he would have been ashamed of this nonsense your promoting
90hijacked 3 years ago
Your comments starting at 0:56 are somewhat misguided. Atheists do not claim that they know there is no God. They say there is no evidence of one. Dawkins, Weinberg, and others have explicitly conceded God cannot be disproved; neither for that matter can fairies at the bottom of the garden. If you haven't read The God Delusion, please do so. He answers your objection fully.
jackdav34 3 years ago
Atheist makes better video.. this one sucks. I don't have to prove that Superman doesn't exist. I know he doesn't. If you believe that Superman exist, you need to prove it, because that defies logic.
keslerkaiyu 3 years ago
of course there is a possibility that a god exists. there is a possibility that any logically valid thing exists. an a-theist is simply one who does not have a belief in a god(a- meaning lack of and theist meaning one who has a belief in the existence of one or more divinities. It makes no positive claim in and of itself. the mere possibility of an entity existing is also not sufficient enough to start making claims about properties of said entity
valeman0 3 years ago
It's also a possibility that Leprechauns exist outside of my knowledge. Does that make it rational to believe Leprechauns exist as well?
federalD 3 years ago
i cannot disprove the existance of god any more than i can disprove the existance of leprechauns, the loch ness monster, big foot, unicorns or any number of equally fantastic ideas...so how exactly does that give fuel to the idea that god exists, yet the others probably (well definitely really) don`t exist? once again we see the same tired old mindset
sheikhyaboooty 3 years ago
He did not miss the point, you do. A pin is a real thing that is often found in a room. It is not extraordinary to believe in pins. I have seen and touched them myself. I could claim that there is a 2000 foot gorilla hiding in the Arctic Ocean just off of Greenland, but you could confidently claim that you know that I am wrong, even without searching the Arctic Ocean.
trueleroix 3 years ago
Just because you cannot disprove an entity's existence does not imply that it is equally likely that the entity does exist. You cannot disprove the existence of Thor, Zeus, Ra, Brahma or the Flying Spaghetti Monster but I doubt you would claim they exist. There is an infinite number of entities one could postulate, as such the burden of proof lies with you. Which parts of the Bible are supported by science? For instance Genesis is demonstrably false, surely God would not make such an error.
petertompsett 3 years ago
Wrong. You do not need any additional proof for atheism besides the lack of proof that theists provide. If we believed every idea that we couldn't disprove, then we would believe a lot of crazy things.
drewd2 3 years ago
This video could also be used as a great argument for leprechauns and fairies.
ivanisavich 3 years ago
Ho hum. It's the 'Burden of Proof' fallacy. No rational thinker claims that there definitely 100% is no god. We say that the probability of a god existing is so small as too be negligible.
However, you're the one making the claim that god exists, so the burden of proof is on you. If you think my inability to disprove god is sufficient reason to believe in him, you must also believe in faeries, dragons, unicorns, giants, bigfoot, minotaurs, pegasus etc. 'cause I can't disprove them either.
Stew282 3 years ago
Now hold on..this is sort of backing us into a corner.
No has other possible branches like one could say "No there is no god, because he cannot be proven or disproven" but then again..god is a rather ambigious thing..unlike creatonism which is of course redicoulas god is somthing tricky.
The No reason is still anal, lol.
gopherdude 3 years ago
you make some good points in the beginning, until you start the bible talk. the sentence "the bible is considered an authentic and important piece of literature" isn't really true. yes, it's important as a cultural text with an immense influence, but so are other scriptures, to a lesser degree, in their respective cultures their influenced. it is not, however, authentic as a whole. from historical inaccuracies to forged texts and false authorship, it's just another man made piece of writing.
chaophray 3 years ago
No, there is no possibility that God exists outside my knowledge. And no I don't need evidence to prove this.
Before I can be required to have evidence to justify my non-belief, God has to be logically consistent. If he is not logically consistent THERE CAN'T POSSIBLY BE EVIDENCE FOR HIM.
Cont)
DaveDoggOwns 3 years ago
For me, the door is open for the discovery that a creator exists.
However, this present god evolved out of all the gods man created throughout the ages to enable him to cope with the unknowns around him. Especially man`s quest for an afterlife.
This present god fills that quest.
To control the masses, man and the church via the bible, added baggage to this god.
This baggage of heaven, hell, satan, original,
sin, the second coming is there strictly for
control and nothing else.
maurieer 3 years ago
i suggest you watch the movie "zeitgeist"
zomfglolbbq1 3 years ago
The chance of religion's god existing is little to none. The existence of a deist god is likely and a pantheistic god is undebatable because it is the big bang and the laws of science. A god that interacts with us in our lives makes little to no sense. We have found planets with water in galaxies billions of light years we do not have the technology to study for life, but if there is life how can religion account for that?
Slayer34214 3 years ago
The whole floating pen analogy misses the point, as pointing to a tree or a man or a mountainside isn't the same as pointing to a marked paper. Unless in the analogy the skeptic then points to a printing press in the corner of the room to represent natural processes.
JoeyMarvelous07 3 years ago
As an atheist, I'd point out that we do not, as a rule, posit deity as impossible. We do, however, reject the religions presented thusfar after disproving their claims using science and logic. We don't yet have all the answers, but are demonstrably closer to the mark than any ancient superstition.
JoeyMarvelous07 3 years ago
To be an atheist 'One must have proof that supports it'.
Im sure people have tried to make you aware of this, but the burden of proof is on you, Do you agree?
If i gave you a book i'd hand written, about the time i spent camping in my garden and came across a fairy, who told me that there is a fairy god and all people should worship that god, would you worship that god?
That is no different to what your asking us to do.
butlerl 3 years ago
Your example about the fish that scientists believed to be extinct was not the best example. The fish was already proven to have existed previously, we had just assumed that it no longer existed. It's a big leap comparing the two. On one hand this species once existed but now is believed to be extinct. On the other hand you have a god which has never been proven to exist.
Xsanoid 3 years ago
In response to the question, yes it is possible that a god exists outside of my knowledge; however, the knowledge I do hold suggests that there is no god. So while I do not claim I "know" there is no god, I do claim that I am reasonably sure there isn't.
mtambors 3 years ago
its irrational to think YOUR god is the right god.
mxpxboy3 3 years ago
4:49
I have an open-minded attitude towards evidence that supports the bible. Strangely you did not include any in this video. Indeed no christian ever has. When such evidence araises I will conisder it openmindedly.
The answer to the question is: Yes, and please do not suppose what atheists say.
Pascal's wager was the best sarcastic saying of all time. Thiests still don't realise how poorly the logic points to a choice between heresy and apostasy. I much prefer apostasy.
LastNickNameOnEarth 3 years ago
>0:50
To be an atheist is to lack a belief that there is a god. NOT to believe that there isn't a god.
LastNickNameOnEarth 3 years ago
yes there is a possibilty i am wrong but it is probaly less than 0.000000000000000000000000000000000001% for example can u jump to the moon u cant prove u cant unless u try every thing. since the chance of me being wrong is so small its pure stupidty to disagree with me. now answer my question is there a possiblity that god doesnt exist. have u done every possibilty to show that he does. well atheist have done alot more possibilties to prove that he doesnt so they are most likly right.
canmike6 3 years ago
Have you disabled comments? wow...
Well, your question is valid. however, atheism isnt "the claim that there is no god"
It's the belief that there is no god. Purely an opinion based on perception of facts provided. And i can understand that your god is "immaterial and therefore unprovable", but that doesnt weigh for you, nor does it weigh against you. It's a simple sidestep of the issue. And in my opinion and experience, provable facts outweigh improveable.
zeitgeistmovie... you know what to do
enkizzle 3 years ago
You don't need to claim "There is no God" to be an atheist. All atheism is is the lack of a belief in God. Buddhists are atheists and agnostics are atheists. All you have to do to be an atheist is not believe in God. There is a difference between believing something doesn't exist and not believing something exists.
CentabyteZero 3 years ago
Any serious and intellectual atheist will tell you that they cannot 100% accurately be sure there is not a God. Claming something like that would just be absurd.
t3ht3ht3h 3 years ago
this is sad. you can't falsify a negative therefor you can't prove anything doesn't exist. this means that the burden of proof is on the person that is making the claim. and no there is no good evidence for any god, and a lack of evidence is evidence of a lacking in this case. but i'm sure you've been told all this before and you just ignore it. and i bet you'll delete this comment and just continue to live in ignorance.
ddtninja 3 years ago
The point raised is actually quite valid. I think most atheists won't claim that they know absolutely that a god does not exist, but rather that all evidence point to that god does not exist.
The video is a lot less critical of its own vantage point. How do you KNOW for certain that Jesus arose from the dead? Is it not possible that you are wrong (like the atheists about god)? How do you KNOW the Bible is true since you have not read all books that exist (or explored the entire universe)?
Cosmicist 3 years ago
I do not understand why people who consider themselves religious, need to put this on everyone else??? Religion is a crutch for those wanting to feel there is a purpose to life and feel a sense of connection and community with others. While Im on the subject, the Bible was written by political/religious, writers/journalists of the time. 'God' didnt write a word and the Bible is no more important or legitimate than 'The Secret' book. So leave everyone to their own crutch, whatever that may be.
aussieinlondon07 3 years ago
Firstly, an invidual cannot be called upon to prove a negative.
Secondly, since you have, and if I entertain your logic, You would have to answer YES to the question: Is there a possibility that God does not exist outside your knowledge?
Which, from a Christian viewpoint, will upset your God.
dbetterton 3 years ago
google "fallacy"
meetskittles 4 years ago
Good video dude. But look, here on YouTube Atheists can say what they want because they have time to put together an irrational claim; on the other hand, in real life if they were presented with evidence they would simply walk away because while they say we cannot prove God, they cannot prove Evolution. You can't get in their face, which is why all of the Atheists run to YouTube to spout off their narcissistic hate speech. Again, good video and God bless you.
MatthewSgherzi 4 years ago
I agree with you; That question can only be answered with yes, as it is impossible to prove that there is no god. Likewise, you cannot prove that Allah is not real, or Thor, or Odin or Zeuz. You also can't prove that there IS a god. Difference between Theist and Atheist boils down to either needing proof of the existance of god or needing proof of god not existing to believe the other side. Both sides face an impossible task to 'convert' the other side to their view as both things are impossible
mhrby1985 4 years ago
every single atheist book i can think of that has been written within the past 100 years has taken this for granted. it is fairly obvious that when we are having a god vs no god discussion we are talking about probabilities and this is evident in most (proper) atheist literature. i was just wondering why you went from this frankly basic idea to preaching ABOUT god. please read some real literature before posting confusing videos like this please.
Svendergenderbender 4 years ago
sorry im just wondering why you simply sidestepped the entire point of your video. i mean you begin with posing a question to atheists and then you eliminate the two that frankly i have realised are stupid since i was a small child: no and it doesnt matter. however admitting yes does not mean anything.
Svendergenderbender 4 years ago