Une session de psychothérapie cognitive avec Albert Ellis (1)

[Super4Truth]

I felt uneasy watching this. Notice that Gloria only smoked when she was with Perls and Ellis but not with Rogers. Even though I get what he is trying to do with Gloria, I don't think his style creates an environment that promote exploration. I got a feeling that he thinks "i know what I'm doing, and you don't". That must have been really frustrated Gloria.

[fromhell1959]

Well, if you think Ellis is overly aggressive here, check him out in the Ellis Institute DVD 'Coping with the suicide of a loved one'...the word 'bullying' comes to mind!!! Pity because there is some really great stuff in the REBT model which he pioneered. What an irony then that he seems to be solely responsible for giving it a bad name.

[MrGrevy]

@fromhell1959 You couldn't be more wrong. He is never a bully, he is helping people understand how to THINK about how they think. Only an emotional goof would mistake that for bullying.

[DudeGasim101]

wow, I don't have a long enough attention span to keep up with Ellis....

[mikeyo1234]

Her problem seems to be mostly ego... e.g. "I won't get what _I_ want".

He has awful technique... too aggressive, but it was probably good for it's time.

[MrGrevy]

@mikeyo1234 You don't understand his technique. Try researching it. He is challenging her irrational thoughts and pointing out how she tells herself unreasonable things. Much better than the emotional, do-nothing Rogers approach.

[menswear2112]

This guy was so intelligent and realistic. Thank you Dr. Ellis!

[guerozone]

gracias philipbob, me tome la libertad de descargar el video y subtitularlo en español youtube.com/watch?v=HZS_ItlAPo­Q saludos!

[sodadash]

I tried CBT and found it very similar to this - it felt totally "therapist-centred". I was constantly being interrupted, spoken over, analysed to the point where I felt like I had no real strength in me to defend against it - let alone hear myself think, or respond to anything that was being put forward to me. It's like having a self-help book read out loud to you at full speed, and with such aggression and force - being told what his "trained ears" are hearing is so patronising i cant stand it.

[ilissabanhazlmft]

As a psychotherapist in Glendora, CA in 2011 it is very enjoyable to watch an old clip of Ellis. I saw him speak at a conference about 5 years ago. I belive he was preety free with his words. He 's older now but still going strong. For counseling- (626-335-0903)

[asherbeee]

@Wanderer123 - the type of client who harbors a lot of self-defeating thoughts. The kind of client who is frozen with fear because "if I don't get a 4.0 on this test, I'll become a bum" - who sees only either a perfect outcome or catastrophe and therefore is scared to do anything. Is it right for someone who presents as suicidal with a plan and method? Probably not at that point in time. I think each of the techniques has its use and some will work better with one client than another.

[Wanderer123]

I think this is terrible. This constant analyzing by Ellis, like Goria doesn't have a mind of her own. A kind of 'therapist-centred' approach... To what kind of person/client would this be helpful?

[MrGrevy]

@Wanderer123 The type of client who has irrational, black and white thinking. Do you seriously not understand that??

[hookyable]

All the peoples need forgiveness!

[rick6176]

I love ellis but he is doing way to much talking.

[tleab29]

This guy seems like a total jerk, and on top of that, I think what he is saying is ridiculous and unhelpful to this woman.

[emanfirstlast]

anyone else get this link from psychology AS for WJEC?

[seanmeggeson]

Who ever wants to be a "no-goodnick"? 

[IrishNickO]

Check out the transcripts or commentary that happened between taping and years post-taping. Gloria may have expressed that she felt pressured by the director/producer to say Perls was her favorite...while in reality it was Rogers. She stayed in contact with Rogers up until her death at 55 years old (around) from cancer.

[nogoodboyo69]

Ellis comes across as a bit of a bully in this!! Very directive.

[driven6996]

I love when he says "no goodnick!" hahaha

[joelmbarr]

Watch as Ellis massages and works the A-B-C paradigm to the hilt! (It's totally fake, Gloria went and saw all the greats of her time, apparently: Perls, Rogers, Ellis, etc. and all on camera too...lol)

But everytime I watch this, I can't help but think to myself if Woody Allen was a psychologist, by god...this is how the sessions would sound with the both of them ending up in the corner blubbering about life.

[MrGrevy]

@joelmbarr Haha the ABCD model is evidence based, unlike psychoanalytic/Rogerian nonsense. Talk about blubbering about life. Unbelievable.

[joelmbarr]

Watch as Ellis massages and works the A-B-C paradigm to the hilt! (It's totally fake, Gloria went and saw all the greats of her time, apparently: Perls, Rogers,

[RyBawwwws]

"I felt more cool toward Dr. Ellis. I did not have enough feeling. I was so busy tying to think with him that I didn't have enough feeling there. And I feel that most ah oh ah the biggest amount of emotions came up with me and Dr. Perls." She shows here that she thinks that she's supposed to feel rather than think during therapy; and her bias in this regard may have interfered with her clearly focusing on and hearing some of the things I said to her. (Ellis cited in Shostrom E.L 1965)

[snarby21]

@RyBawwwws that's because experiencng is more powerful than thinking. intellectual insight is a relief, not a release. you see in the rogers video that she has done a very good job of having intellectual insight about the guilt feelings and the honest feelings, but still she is caught in a bind and cannot choose which direction to go. right off the bat, a therapist could say..."you have it in you to make this choice" and she would most likely not respond to that at all...more in second comment

[snarby21]

@snarby21 ...and she mot likely would not respond to that at all...(and she doesnt when rogers hints at it early on). However, later in the session she is forced to encounter emotionally and experientially this idea of being her own person, which then leads to helpful intellectual congruence.

[RyBawwwws]

@robboholic actually Ellis approached this especially well. It's a really positive way to deal with her lack of social skills. Not all problems can be fixed just through talking (Rogers), and Gloria was not comfortable with Perls at all it was quite confronting and made her take a step back. Ellis is trying to make her realise that the past doesn't matter at all, it's how she thinks about the events in the past.

Hill 1996 - has an article talking about red-light thoughts, gloria uses them all.

[RyBawwwws]

The red-light thoughts are self defeating, and Ellis' techniques work to change these thoughts.

[jigglesnap]

I wouldn't date her

[ofrigyato]

the here-and-now is more important than the past!! if you know the cause of your neurosis, how is that gonna help you change? did u seek therapy to change yourself or to know the cause of your problem? knowing the cause is fine but it is not the most important.....

[IceKing1980]

I really believe that Carl Roger's Person centered theory works best for this client. Ellis and Perls dominated her. They fail to realize that her father and husband dominated her in her life. Roger's allowed her to feel empowered. Roger's allowed her to get to the root of her problem.

[robboholic]

@IceKing1980

I agree Ellis calling her Jane Doe and making all those judgement calls just slaps her about, probably more of a transference in action cf. Freud

He's may be treating her just in the same fashion she is used too, DOMINATED.

[robboholic]

@robboholic

I am really amazed at how poor Ellis did, wow!! talk about stressing someone out

[XMonsieurMeursaultX]

A few basic points

1) Ellis under-emphasized the importance of the therapeutic relationship.

2) Ellis' demeanor is not representative of REBT or CBT therapists as a whole. I.E., many REBT/CBT therapists find the therapeutic relationship an essential component to facilitate clients' healing.

[robboholic]

@XMonsieurMeursaultX

All therapists now recognise the importance of the therapeutic alliance :-), i just didnt realise how terrible Ellis was

[MrGrevy]

@robboholic Research doesn't support that opinion. Cbt/rebt is the most effective therapy...I hope you're not a therapist!

[MrGrevy]

@robboholic You're clueless. Utterly clueless. SHE was the one who brought up Jane Doe. He was pointing out/challenging her that her beliefs were irrational, which they were. Don't comment if you don't understand at least that much.

[XMonsieurMeursaultX]

@IceKing1980

"They fail to realize that her father and husband dominated her in her life."

They were quite cognizant of that. They didn't find that to be essential in the treatment of her psychological disturbance. Perls and Ellis are generally more interested in the here-and-now relationship and don't find the past to be that essential in treating psychological disturbances.

[kevin122100]

awesome. is this actual footage?

[darklylooking]

Gloria is an actual client. She also saw Fritz Perls and Carl Rogers.All 3 sessions are refered to as The Gloria Tapes.

[phillipbob]

thanks for the video