Communities of Resistance (6/6)

[Usernametobechanged]

Who's worse, Caribs who kill for food, who eat the humans they kill, or Spanish that killed for hate and just left the bodies to rot?

[1legerdemain1]

I feel like I must be crazy, if this makes sense to all of you... Love Feast LOVE FEAST LOVEFEAST

[loveandanarchy1111]

Perhaps the balance to technocratic age is to allow nature to influence you.

[danielsegatto]

I´d love if somebody would caption this interview to help spread this marvelous way of thinking around the world...

[TheeMalcontent]

Evil magickians and disappointed warriors.

[ORDENILLUMINATI]

I think when the Merovingians married Roman Catholics and betrayed the other Germanic tribes that is when centralized authority cam about.

[creosotegirl]

Humans are a part of nature. Civilized humans (not all humans obviously) are based on totalitarian agriculture. Totalitarian agriculture makes the land for only one or two crops, everything else must die. This is an affront on all of nature (excluding the agriculturalists). This kind of agriculture is at war with the rest of nature. That is why many people make the man vs. nature dichotomy.

[curiosofsigns]

The ways in which culture and nature intersect is discussed under the umbrella "ecocriticism". Though I can't say I've really read much of it.

[palotin07]

Does anyone know what article of his PLW references in the last minute or so of the vid?

[StarvingForTruth]

anyone who neg'd me should have the balls to debate me. but, i understand the fear of failure. you will, in fact, fail.

pussies.

[fractalchez]

@StarvingForTruth I neg'd you for your rudeness, nothing more.

[molecularash]

i'm so surprised to see people arguing in the comments. 0_0

[dinofond]

There are trolls everywhere on the interwebs most in mommies basement and are pathetic looser's. The trick is not to feed the troll and ignore them. If you have something to say feed them once and kindly tell them to fuck off.

[molecularash]

thanks for internets 101.

[StarvingForTruth]

stick to the topic:

the human/natural distinction is a matter of fiction.

period.

and you have completely ignored the fact that we can not quantify the contributions of science to a level that aids us in determining whether its total contributions are 'good' or 'bad'; any such judgment is a matter of nothing but opinion. Yet, you weigh in as if it were fact.

pure stupidity

[StarvingForTruth]

it is a matter of pure luck - or if you prefer neutral language, a matter of simple chance - that we averted total thermonuclear destruction.

The Point of Divergence of the 1983: Doomsday- Timeline is a well-known though often underestimated event that took place on 26th of September in the year 1983.

I think you ought to familiarize yourself with that event before you bother registering an opinion.

that you are even alive, is a matter of nothing but dumb luck.

[Solthiel]

See previous post.

[PipeBundle]

right...well i think we should all bow down and worship solthiel because he is clearly the enlightened one among us.

serve him and give him sacrifice so that he may know our love for him and bless us with his superior cognizance.

take your dribble somewhere else...preferably the nearest landfill because that's what best suits it.

[Solthiel]

Watched it all for the sake of considering an opposing viewpoint. He said it correctly at the end, he glorifies the past. He also utterly ignores the horrors of many aspects of ancient life. I notice that many of the movements like this, such as anarchism or mysticism, provide anecdote after anecdote into infinity; but never any actual substantive dialogue declaring the reason to agree with their viewpoint.

[StarvingForTruth]

he did not ignore horrors. he recognized horrors. but the point you miss, is that horror is a part of the human condition, and no amount of technology will alter our nature.  in fact, it may serve to amplify certain negative aspects.

what the take home is for me, is to not romanticize the PRESENT, any more than the past; not to consider the arc of development to have been inevitable, or desirable.

the luddites were not extremists - they sought a harmonious balance.

be fair.

[Solthiel]

I will require you to further qualify "horror is a part of the human condition."

The horrors I speak of are not ones of the human condition, they are ones of nature. Survival of the fittest is not a place where all the species smile and get along; it is a harsh competition.

Only a species as vain and privileged as ours would ever say that we should not value the usage of tools (technology).

[StarvingForTruth]

come on man - any distinction you wish to make between the human condition, and nature, and purely a matter of you imagination.

in other words, humans are part of nature. period.

further, you are intentionally warping what I said. I never said that we should not 'value tools' - what i DID say, is that YOU misrepresented what the dude in the video said about tools.

to reiterate (since you are seemingly retarded, or purposefully stupid): it's a matter of discernment...

[StarvingForTruth]

...by discernment, i mean that not ALL technological developments are necessarily 'good for us'.

to assert otherwise - that all scientific advances are good - is nothing but idiotic fundamentalism.

only a vain and privileged asshole would persist that everything we invent is good.

asshole.

[Solthiel]

I never said humans were not of nature. All things in existence are of nature. Existence IS nature.

But unfortunately our debate (or rather, argument) cannot continue. I have a three strike rule on ad hominems. I have found that people who resort to them as often as you do, have absolutely no basis for their argument.

You will also have to forgive me for asking for a citation in an earlier post. Whether you provide it or not is no longer important. Goodbye.

[StarvingForTruth]

ya - you're a pussy, and you have no logical basis for whatever the fuck it is you think you're saying

go suck a dick,.

[StarvingForTruth]

simple anecdote.

two martians, watching the earth from afar. they watch us as we start a thermonuclear war, and turn the planet into a wasteland.

as they see the thing unfold, one comments to the other, "they must have been a terribly intelligent race to have been able to blow themselves up like that".

don't romanticize technology.

[Solthiel]

Your anecdote is just that; an anecdote. It certainly does not prove a point of any kind.

[StarvingForTruth]

good grief. why must you be a blockhead?

point is this: you accuse Wilson of romanticizing the past, and I say, you have missed his point. He freely comfesses to a degree of idealization, but you fail to recognize the obvious:

It is not a given that all new technology is 'progress'. and he offers the Amish as a wonderful illustration. You also seem content to brush aside the true spirit of balance, and not 'romanticism', that characterizes the Luddites....

[Solthiel]

I find it interesting that he can only point to a repressive religious sect as an illustration. No person in their right mind would rather live Amish than a society with rights and modern technology. They have a great deal of rebellion and runaway teenagers because of this.

A Luddite is not 'balanced,' they are a spoiled human. It would be like if an ape came to the rest of the apes and said "Let's stop using these sticks to get ants out of the ground. We need to return to our roots!"

[StarvingForTruth]

a luddite is a 'spoiled human'?

that doesn't even make sense.

you're a fucking idiot.

[Solthiel]

A luddite posting on the internet, yes.

[StarvingForTruth]

you are an idiot for asserting that I am a luddite. i am merely explaining to you something that you clearly failed to understand.

[StarvingForTruth]

And then there's this: as a race, we have come withing minutes of executing the very scenario that my 'just an anecdote' described. We absolutely have the technology now to wipe out the human race in very short order, be it via nuclear war, or biological weaponry - which indeed must cause us to wonder, if technology is necessarily the same as 'progress'.

You are being dismissive and arrogant in a manner fitting to only a teenager.

Are you 12?

[Solthiel]

Come within minutes, but have never done so. Our race is self-preserving. It is doubtful that we will wipe ourselves out willfully.

I will ignore statements such as "You are being dismissive and arrogant in a manner fitting to only a teenager.

Are you 12?"

They also do not speak well for your side of the argument that you must resort to ad hominems in order to prove a point.

[StarvingForTruth]

i gather you don't know the story and the facts behind the 'came within minutes' story; that we did not consummate the destruction, is a matter of pure luck. in other words, it was a situation of computer malfunction, and it is a matter of a sort of fundamentalist belief that you attribute our survival to something intrinsic to our nature. that's an entirely illogical - irrational - belief system.

[Solthiel]

We have survived because we are amazingly good at surviving. If we were not, we would not have. This is the way of nature.

Also, you will need to cite a source that shows that every nation on the planet was once planning to carpet bomb every other nation with nukes, because this is what it would take to destroy human life on Earth.

[StarvingForTruth]

i essentially DID cite a source, in naming the specific incident - it's not my fault you are ignorant of this particular historical fact.

fucking google it. pick whatever source you like, and then shut the fuck up.

[highway234]

this is fascinating,

[greatbroad]

Yeah, the last quarter century has been a highway to hell.