@SubconsciousGatherer i suppose you believe in the fairy tale that everything came from nothing life arose from dead matter and we evolved? repent turn from sin and trust in Christ
@mamainmancj And I suppose YOU believe in the fairy tale that everything came from nothing, that life arose from a magic man talking to the dirt and making a man, and then talking to that man's rib and making a woman? Oh right, YOUR belief makes SO much more sense! Repent and turn from superstitious mythology and trust in reason.
Ben Valcin Hello, we are a student movement in the island of St. Lucia!!
We began in the year 1988. We help students to know Christ and to make him known. It is wonderful to see students' lives changed because of the love of Christ in them!! we are praying for your :) Christ to the schools
@perfectshot77 God created us with open will, we are perfect creation and we have the power of choice. If God had created us without sin, then worship will be pointless, we would be robots just praising and loving God because thats the only thing we can do. So God created us with the choice of sinful or perfect life, but ofcouse we are not perfect, we all have sin. God knows that, so He send his son Jesus to live a perfect life without sin and die on the cross for our sins. read John 3:16
See Christian biophysicist Dr Francis Collins video "The Language of God" here on youtube. He talks about how idiots like this are making Christians look ridiculous by denying evolution. He explains how evolution happens and how it is undeniable. Only the dumbest of the dumb deny that evolution is fact.
problem is this just believe is not what the bible says. its says those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. devils believe are they saved? so just confession and accepotance is wronge and paul never preached thgis gospil your preaching. you also deny the name of jesus in baptism read acts 2:38 see video response
all the sources, documents, literature, and writings of Jesus.. including the fact that 70% of scholars and nearly every historian that investigates the life of Jesus come to agreement that he was who he claimed to be! or what about the people that came after Christ, like Josephus who wrote about him and said he was a miracle worker.. this is all a myth to you? you must indeed be one very stupid person if you deny the existence of Jesus!
Is your claim that 70% of scholars state that Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, as told in the Bible, are unbridled truth? And you actually have the audacity to call ME stupid? This, by the way, was an insult hurled at me on the heels of inarticulate, albeit sardonic, speculation about my character and personal beliefs, which you managed to glean from a seven word youtube post.
Yes, the story of Jesus as a savior, the son of God, and a miracle worker is all a myth. And not just to me.
hahaha.. once again the type of mind set you people have has furthered embarrassed you in a whole of speculation and assumptions.. where in my comment did i say "70% of scholars state that Jesus life, death and resurrection is unbridled truth"... open your ears and go back to what i really said, dont let your hatred for God, and blindness guide you.. i said "70% of scholars THAT INVESTIGATE the story of Jesus, are in agreement that he was who he claimed to be, and that nearly every
historian that also INVESTIGATES the story of Jesus agrees too".. once again.. if you indeed deny the existence (not death and resurrection, even though there is evidence for that too, but just the existence) of Jesus... you ARE (NOT MUST) YOU ARE.. one very stupid person..
BUT PLEASE WAIT.. call me on what i just said, dont believe the statistics i just told you, i dare you please please please, ask me for evidence of these numbers.. and ill be glad to show your godless mind, how wrong you are!
Regardless of whether you agree with him, Dawkins is a brilliant logician and scientific thinker. You would do wise to listen to what he has to say, especially regarding evolutionary biology, but the decision is yours to make.
And, if you have it, I'd like to see what source provided you with the statistic about "70% of historians."
i forgot to mention.. if i am mistaken about you being an atheist, what is there for me to be sorry for.. so what if i just assumed you were, from your little comment, i checked your page first to see if you were but it did not say, but then i seen you were friends with "the official richard dawkins channel" and so its not hard to assume your an atheist.. but none the less, by just assuming, did i commit murder or something.. take my comments, how you want, im not trying to be
insulting.. its more like im trying to show you how ignorant you are by saying "The Jesus story is a myth".. that among many other things atheists say is such a STUUUUUPID comment!... how ignorant and retarded for you to even think Jesus's EXISTENCE was a myth.. i can see not believing he resurrected, but to not believe he existed.. lol if thats what you believe.... wow
Did you see that key piece of punctuation at the end of my first sentence? That's a question mark and, in this instance, it was to ask for clarification. Like I said, you're not terribly articulate, so further explanation was necessary to clear up any ambiguity in your statement. Also, the "myth" I referred to was the Bible in it's near entirety, not just the parts featuring Jesus. And Richard Dawkins focuses on evolutionary biology as much as anything else. Please, link me to your sources.
@JusJuiceIt And if they're not primary sources or secondary sources that translate unabridged versions of primary sources, please do not waste my time.
ok im only going to respond to the 2nd half of your first comment and all of your 2nd comment.. even so dawkins main focus is evolution, i was just making a point of how stupid someone can be!.. yea, i just called someone with a phd, who teaches at a university and is a scientist stupid.. smart and stupid co-exist with the same mind very often!.. in reply to your 2nd comment.. could you please be more specific on what sources you want me to send you, i got lost and forgot what we
lol i dont recall mention the other atheists like hitchens in my comments, and YOU JUST ASSUMED i put them in same place as dawkins hahaha wow.. but dont think for one second i call dawkins an idiot for no reason, i have MANY reasons, and most of them have nothing to do with religion or God.. and i mentioned one in my message to you.. but i dont no why were talkin about him, like i said, his existence is not worth my time to talk about.. but when you do look at my links
i hope you realize and it digs in to your brain that this sentence "i cant believe this myth still persists" is one of the most stupidest and ignorant things iv heard someone say.. you should be ashamed of yourself, and no that my statistics smash your sentence and ignorance into pieces!!
lol ahah ok whats your point, you corrected my grammar, thank you!.. and me calling you ignorant is only because you clearly said one of the most ignorant things iv ever heard.. "they still persist with this myth" .... lol come on man, please just look at the links i gave you.. ! i begg of you..
but you probably have no trouble believing in Alexander the Great do you, only a fool would say he never existed! but its funny because Alexander was born 500 years before Jesus!! and Alexander's first writings didnt come until 400 years after, by only two men (Arion and Plutarch).. Jesus's writings came ONLY 12 years after his death and they continued to about 70 years after, and his writings came from a couple dozen men, not 2, but a couple dozen, and most were eye witnesses!
but your totally right!! "i cant believe this myth still persists".. yea i no, wow.. what a bunch of idiots these Christians are, there certainly not like the atheist who would believe in Alexander the great rather then the existence of Jesus!
Jesus has twice as many sources, documents and writings then Alexander the great, but its the hatred in your mind that blinds you from knowing the truth!
According to this logic, if you have told the truth before, it makes you honest. If you've lied before, and have told the truth before, you can be both a liar and honest. Hmmm?? come see wherethebiblespeaks on youtube
@wherethebiblespeaks ...the law is a standard to be met. If I were to steal something, then give something I own to someone free of charge, that doesn't make me innocent of the previous crime. Being honest at a later time, does not "un-do" the previous lie. Running a stop sign is not "undone" by stopping at the next. It is not a simple balance system where the net value is viewed. Even if it was, we'd fail anyway...
U cannot preach Christianity.A Christian is a follower of Christ.This video is about a follower of Christ trying to lead people to Christ.In the Bible it talks about those who do not believe.Think to urselfs,ok if i die,well what if heaven does exist? would I go?wouldnt u wanna know before u die?when u get to those gates do u what be asked to turn around?Kirk & Ray make great points,and have a lot of wisdom.maybe people say God does not exist cause they dont want 2 follow His laws.
@kiddwiffplugs at least Justin seemed interested in what dude was saying. didnt u see his face he looked like he was going to cry there for a minute.I hope one day u find Jesus and that He has a place in your heart because He love u !
@lovinggodsword850308 If anything Justin was annoyed and just wanted the money. & I had found God, I was an active participant in my church and a missionary as well, geshhhh, I even was the vice president of a christian club last year at my school. But then I just came to the realization that the bible is a load of bull, it's sad we still live by words written down by cavemen. Their's scientific proof that half the shit in the bible is just crap. God also contradicts himself so many times.
@kiddwiffplugs y do u say that?look, I dont go to church but i have my faith,He does not contradict Himself at all,Thats y theres an old and new testament.If u just asked for understanding of the bible,He will give it to u.U can be in a church,a vice president,and an active participant,but u have to have Jesus,because only through Him can u get to God.Cavemen were in the beginning of time,the men who wrote the Bible were close to God,and Jesus Christ.He still loves u
@lovinggodsword850308 I encourage Christians to find a good church because the Bible instructs us to be in relationship with other believers. If we are part of Christ's body, we will recognize our need to fit into the body of believers.Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
@kiddwiffplugs, I John 5:10,13 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
@alexandgabe I appreciate the time you took to write this but it doesn't mean anything to me, I don't believe in God nor bible verses . . . anymore. It's just old english.
@bbbibo9700 . well.. He said believe in christ.. He forgot to say repent . "repent and believe" is the answer! Many people only believe, and thats why many are still in their sins. But if you want to know God, and want to give up on youre own desire of the flesh, you will get saved(born again)
@matthewzanker777 Anytime you are using Fear to convince people to Follow Jesus that's not the Word of God at all... and thats what "with all do Respect" the strategy that Born Again Christians Follow...and thats a Shame, Jesus never used Fear, he never stood on a Pedestal and Preached Down to people...
@bbbibo9700 Luke12:4-5 (Jesus says) And I say to you,My friends,do not be afraid of those who kill the body,and after that have no more they can do.But I will show you whom you should fear:Fear Him who, after He has killed,has the power to cast into hell;yes,I say to you, fear Him!(it says even sparrows are not forgotten by God,that the hairs on our head are numbered,that we should fear no man,but God,and we r more of value than many sparrows.we r very much loved)and He will protect us,believe
@bbbibo9700 its not preaching christianity,its telling and educating people about the word of God and how He sent His Son to die for us so we could live.But it is a shame that people do not believe what is being said..very sad
AND GOD WILL NEVER COME DOWN TO THE EARTH AND SAVE US....IF HE DOES HE WILL WIPE AWAY ALL WHITE PEOPLE FOR THIE DESTRUCTION OF EARTH AND HUMAN CULTURES....
UMMMMMM...IM NATIVE AMERICAN AND ASSHOLES WHO PREACH THIS STUPID FUCKIN BOOK THAT BRAINWASHES PEOPLE INTO THINKIN IF THEY DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS THAT THEY SHOULD GO TO HELL AND INDIANS ARE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN EARTH AND THAT WE ARE SAVAGES....I DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS..I BELIEVE IN THE SUN.......AM I GUNNA BURN IN A LAKE OF FIRE NOW?????????????????...NATIVE PRIDE.....FUCK THE BIBLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE IT TO HEART....MOTHER EARTH BITCHES!!
@thiizzman510 no not that they should go to hell,but that they will go.all God is doing is warning everyone.only u can choose to love Him and His Son.Im Indian too.i dont think ur stupid for believeing in the earth and sun cause thats ur choice.no matter what every christian should respect and at least be knowledgable to other peoples beliefs,they just go about it the wrong way.i myself just want people to know the truth thats in the bible,Jesus Christ and God are awesome.2 me God made the sun
@lovinggodsword850308 their's websites devoted to all his contradictions, in church we are brainwashed to believe what a silly little book says. If God is such an awsome God, why is their poverty, murder, and everything else that goes badly wrong, I bet your just thinking "Ohhh, God has a plan for him/her" . . . Bullshit that's just an excuse you were brainwashed with to say in church.
@Keitaro2011 Your right he can stop it,but its up to you whether He does or not,Only You can Believe on Jesus Christ,Only you can turn from your sin and ask for forgiveness, and only you can repent and only you can change your attitude and say, well Thankyou God for sending your Son to die for us that we may live, and thanku Jesus for dying for me.Its a gift.Do u accept it?Only through Christ can u get to God.May Glory to You Father!!!!
@lovinggodsword850308 I can't believe in something with no evidence and which is logically absurd. I also cannot worship a being that thinks it's just to punish an innocent person in the place of a guilty person, much less several guilty people, who thinks it's morally correct to allow people to be tortured forever or give people the power to make that decision without fully informing them of the parameters, or ever making them incapable of knowing the parameters. Sorry, it's all mind control.
@Keitaro2011 And you dont think the Bilble is enough to show u the truth.Well it doesnt matter whether u believe it or not its the truth, unfortunatly some people have to find out the hard way because they are so hardened from the truth they just dont want to believe.Not saying your that person because i dont know u but just talking to ui can c right now u have ur mind made up.but just think about it.think what if there is a heaven.would I go,dont u wanna find out before u die?pray!!!believe!
@lovinggodsword850308 It isn't. It's poorly written, contains nothing profound, and is filled with absurdities and attrocities. How can I believe an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being wrote it?
What if there's a stripper factory when you die and the only way to get there is to believe in the flying spaghetti monster? "What if there's a heaven" is a false dichotomy because there is an infinite number of "What ifs."
@Keitaro2011 well with all do respect but u can only tell a person something so many times and if they believe they believe, reguardless of whether u do or not, the bible is real.Im sorry u dont feel the same way as i do and many others,i hope one day u change ur mind, have a good day.god bless
@Keitaro2011 The evidence is all around you.You will soon see I have faith in that. Also we have free will. It is up to each person in how they live that one life. We are like a horse wearing blinders. We can only see what is directly in front of us. Our omniscient Father can see everything. He is our creator and knows infintly more than us; therefore, how can we, HIS CREATION, question his plan?
@alexandgabe Evidence of what? Allah? Quetzelcoatl? Odin? Zues? Vishnu? Brama?
How can God fault us when we CAN'T know everything?
Also, why is questioning a bad thing? Questioning is only "bad" whe tne thing being questioned has something wrong with it. This "we can't know everything" is a copout.
@Keitaro2011Its not a copout.Its just that we dont know everything but he does and he knows us. "Phil 2:9-11Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ isLord,to the glory of God the Father.
If jesus never committed adultery in his heart by lusting after a women he saw, then he seriously had no clue what being a human being is actually like. He did not experience what it is like to be one of us because he never fell in love with a women romantically and then experienced having her betray him or anything like that. He lived a pathetic life in this sense, he did not get to experience any of the real beauty of this world, the beauty that comes from romantic love and having children.
@ripemind Jesus is God. He is STILL living, and will return soon as King. You may condescend to Him at that time (?!) But for now,..you should look to Him for forgiveness! He was perfect and did not sin in any way at all.
@ripemind Jesus did not come to be a sinner, remember he came from our Father to save sinners from the deceiver who is the devil.It is written that is what he'll do.If you want to experience real beaty, then thats Gods love.Romantic love can go bad and never last, but our Fathers love is forever, and is more beautiful than anything in this sinning world.
@ripemind you have no clue of what your talking about. jesus wasn't sent here to find love. he was sent here to die for our sins. jesus was love. why would he want to find it in a woman? come on make sense. jesus was betrayed judas betrayal is betrayal be at man or women.the world is not of real beauty heaven is. you act like you went through more than jesus. if you life ws so great why you putting down jesus if your so happy
The law is not Christ.A liar,thief,adulterous, by difference is not Christ.If this man passed the test he would still be condemned because he is flesh.Christ is not equal to the ten commandments in Virtue.So if I present law and not the Person of Christ in Nature I'm conforming the man to morality of law which Christ is not.Christ exceeds law in virtue.Christ knowledge without law is sufficient to lead a Person to Himself.Christ is holy is conviction to a thief,sinner.
Judges demonstrably exist. God doesn't. Theres the flaw in this guys argument. He is not demonstrating his assertions, he is simply asserting things. I could stand up beside him and tell people that they are bad because they don't meet the Great Leprechaun in the skies standard, and unless they accept the leprechauns gift of salvation, they will be doomed to the underworld. But in means nothing if I do not demonstrate the statement as true.
@noooblover No, you won't actually. If you cannot see now, or at some point in your life, that religious people are wrong, then you will never see it : )
@redsaint182 quit lying to yourself. when you die we will see who is right. do you not agree? why are you looking at these videos? You have been offered many chances by god to just take the free gift he is offering you. I dont need to say anthing more to you. If you dont wanna believe thats on you
@noooblover (1) im not lying to myself (2) no, we won't see anything when we are dead, we won't be conscious and our body will decay and rot away (3) god has to exist to offer chances of something, and I don't believe he exists (4) believe is not a choice, and not about what I "want", I am swayed by evidence, and go where the evidence leads. I don't care about what I "want", I care about truth.
Our body will die but our souls will live on, that is, for the believers, soften your heart to Jesus.He died for you,read the BIble and watch the news.everything is coming true,don't you see that?Gods word is the truth.He wants you to know the truth.
@lovinggodsword850308 I don't believe in souls, they have never been demonstrated to exist. I have also read the Bible before, and no, everything is not "coming true," biblical prophecy claims are just vague things that can be used during any time ("wars and rumors of wars" and "earthquakes," none of it is valid prophecy, and much of it is post diction, or a case of where writers knew old prophecies when writing books, in the case of messianic prophecy.)
@redsaint182 I pray God has mercy on your soul,Believing is a choice,But let me share from my own life that He does exist and I promise He does.So many things have happened with myself and my family that I know the truth.I'm sad you don't feel the same.and yes things are coming true.
@lovinggodsword850308 No, believing is not a choice. I cannot choose to believe in leprechauns, gods, or fairies; I am either convinced by the evidence or I am not. There have been no confirmed prophecies. Muslims will share from their personal experience that Allah exists, Hindu's will share that Shiva or Krishna or a number of others exist. You cannot all be right. And if they can be fooled by "personal experience", then so can you :) Take care, and have a nice day.
to Omnicron777 and the spirit that is using them for subversion.Do you think you have found an excuse to justify your sin and rebellion to the creator,u pick a smal thing,twist it and then your off! Jesus (GOD) also fed people,rasied the dead to life, healed the lame and lepers, saved an adulteres life and lastly the thing you need he cleaned people of demons. He died for the afflicted humans so we could spend eternity with him in heaven- dont believe in demons see my channel
As for slavery, who's morality do you submit to? Your own or God's? We understand that left to ourselves, we who are supposedly progressively moral beings have caused much destruction upon ourselves and this earth and continue to do so. So, what makes you so reliant on your own sense of good and evil?
Furthermore, how much do you really understand about what slavery was like in those days? You rely on too few passages, and are missing the bigger picture. Read the entire Exodus 21
You're taking Matthew 5:17 out of context and you misunderstand what it meant for Christ to fulfill the Law. From reading Matthew 5:17, you understand that Christ was talking about fulfilling the Law especially in light of Romans 10:4 and Galatians 3:24. Furthermore, you seem to be the only person around who believes He's only talking about fulfilling the prophesies.
Or have you not read 2 Corinthians 5:21? The problem here is that you claim to have been a Christian apologist, but you've never even begun to understand this core Christian doctrine and it has ruined your understanding of other Scriptural passages. I question your understanding of the gospel itself.
You're a deceiver. Complete Matthew 5:17 - Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them **but to fulfill them.**
This is meant to say that our efforts to live a holy life is never enough because we are sinful and imperfect. Christ who was the perfect human AND God came to die as a payment for our sins so that we would be presented clean before God as if we kept the Law ourselves. HE fulfills the Law for us!
1 Peter 2:18 - Read verse 20 which says that it is credited to those who do good and still suffer injustice from harsh masters. The Bible doesn't condone harsh slave masters, it teaches how to react to them in a godly way.
1 Cor 14:34 - This merely speaks on women not having authority over men. No word about losing all rights. How do you reconcile this passage: Ephesians 5:22-33? Women are loved by their husbands as the Church is to Christ.
I don't deny that in the old days the Israelites were commanded to severely punish homosexuals and probably execute pagans. Such is the nature of the holy wrath of God. But, to say women had no rights? You're no longer talking about God's law, but you're instead talking about the cultural norms of Jewish society! Women had a special place in God's providence and plan, and just because they weren't given authority over men didn't mean God didn't value them.
You claim to have been a hardcore Christian apologist, but you seem to omit Jesus saying to a crowd of self-righteous Jews that those who were without sin can cast the first stone upon the adulterous woman. Consequently, you see none of the Christians in the New Testament doing any of the things you listed. We see that religious institutions like the Roman Catholic Church are responsible for bloody wars and executions. But, true Christians were given up to martyrdom.
It's not surprising that opponents of Christianity have the worst understanding of our doctrines. You make very bold yet misguided statements about our faith. You can list all the verse you want to prove your point, but you'll never take them in context to the Bible in its entirety. All you can do is mock us because you cannot even work hard enough to correctly understand Christianity and the Bible in order to give an accurate criticism.
We Christians can debate all day, those who dont want GOD cannot be talked into moving from death to life.If they do not have the Holy Spirit Spirit moving them to repentance they will never become born again.Without becoming born again- sin and the demonic forces that go along with sin will continue to reign in that persons life.
So if I murder and get sentenced to death and someone says they will take my place for execution, a righteous judge would allow that? Doesn't seem like God is a very good judge.
Well, it goes beyond just a courtroom analogy. Imagine having the guilt of your sins against God placed upon Jesus instead of on you so it appears that Jesus Himself committed that crime. No longer are you responsible for paying the price for your sins, but instead Jesus pays it for you because through the transferring of guilt Jesus becomes liable for payment and His deity makes His death enough to pay for sin.
That is disproportionate. If the consequence for our sin is to suffer in hell for eternity, then if Jesus is to take the burden of our sins then he should go to hell. Otherwise it makes no sense.
And, Jesus did descend to hell when He died on the cross. Our sins are infinitely serious (bc we sinned against an infinitely dignified God), and it took something as unthinkable as Jesus' separation from God (which is essentially what hell is) to save us. Jesus is in essence God, sinless and infinitely dignified, so His death (and thus separation) alone was enough to cover all the sins of those who put their faith in Him.
Think about it, if God Himself can, with his own power, create the entire universe, isn't He also capable of paying for every sin by sacrificing Himself (just as the Israelites tried to do with impure lambs' blood offerings). That's why Jesus is called the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world; He was pure and He was enough to pay it all.
If God himself has the power to create the entire universe, then he has the power not to send ANYONE to hell. God cannot punish us so maliciously for the imperfections that he created us with.
And when you say that jesus did descend into hell.. well three days is hardly an eternity. If your God is real, I would rather have never existed than endure his petty temper and infinite wrath. If he knew I would be a sinner then why did he create me? It's absurd.
Indeed, He has the power not to send anyone to hell, but you didn't think that would conflict with His holiness and justice? God revealed in Scripture that He doesn't change who He is. Furthermore, He didn't create us imperfect. Adam and Eve were initially sinless and were led astray just as Satan himself was an angel and rebelled. As for your opinion that His wrath is excessive, remember that you're only human and He is GOD. Your and His standards obviously don't match so why rebel
As for why He created you despite knowing you'd be sinful, Scripture reveals that the reason all things exist is for God. In other words, if people go to hell, it glorifies God for His justice and holiness; if people are saved, it glorifies God for His grace and mercy. All creation glorifies God's infinite power. So, you're left with the decision of humbling yourself to God and receiving Christ as your only way to heaven or being adamant in refusing Him and receiving justice.
What you're talking about is people being accountable for their sins and going to hell because of their sins. Indeed, no man will be without responsibility for his transgressions against God. What I'm talking about here is that God will judge every human and will condemn those who do not have Christ. If there was no judgment, there is no hell.
@falsethreats So god created us for his own glory and for someone on which to demonstrate his justice? Well to me that seems incredibly selfish on his part. To say that it is ok to allow this suffering as long as he feels glorified seems so petty and below any god of infinite goodness. I can understand why you feel the way you do, because I used to be the same, but surely these things bother you?
Of course it used to bother me. That's why I previously was agnostic for a couple of years. But, it came to the point where I realized that I'm only human (and not God) and could not rely on my own fallible knowledge and understanding because despite having the Bible, there are still many mysteries that God did not reveal to us.
Furthermore, who are we that God should have any kind of mercy upon us? If you think about it, we are extremely small in comparison to the universe (study astronomy). What's worse is that we are the only beings in creation that have rebelled against God's commands (aside from the demons). We've gone against the divine God that deserves every moment of our lives. And it's due to His divine nature that I understand why He has such a high standard and equally high punishment.
In the end, it's really humanism and the notion that humans are of equal or greater value and worth to God that brings us to thinking that God is selfish and unfair. It's by making ourselves to be gods that make us opposed to God Himself. That's why God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).
@falsethreats Study astronomy? that is exactly what I do. Who are we to question God? well apparently we are his creations (in his own image no less!) so we should be able to do just that. And you are getting me wrong I don't hate god and think that I am his equal.. I simply don't believe in him based on the absurd lack of evidence.
Tell me, do you worship him because you love him or because you want to avoid hell? If there was no fear of hell would you still worship him?
I worship Him because I love Him and because He is worthy of my whole life. That's not to say that hell was not any kind of reality that I had to face. There is no salvation without the reality of God's law and justice affecting us. But, the glory of God's grace shines out of my worship as well as the awe of His infinite qualities. Would I still worship Him if there was no fear of hell? Yes! God created us in His image, so our purpose and joy is in worshiping and imaging Him.
Read Romans 9. The author, Paul, asks "Who are we to question God?" and gives the analogy of God being the potter and us being the clay. God has the right to create us in any way, and we may question God but we are totally without right to do so. And Paul wrote all this knowing that we were created in God's image (being a Pharisee in his non-Christian life). This has to mean that being made in God's image has a different connotation than to be able to question Him.
@falsethreats I think the problem I have caused here is that I'm bringing up issues from within a religious context by discussing the semantics of the bible. My primary issue isn't with the morality of god (although that still bothers me) but actually with his existence altogether. I don't believe he exists, or at least not within a religious context. Demanding we have faith goes against natural intuition and is unfair.
What God has revealed as the evidence of His existence (which is His creation) is regarded as insufficient. Seeing everything around us isn't good enough to convince us that God created everything because now we ponder the many possibly erroneous scientific theories out there. Human knowledge has advanced so far, but I cannot put my faith in fallible human wisdom.
Other than God's design, I cannot offer any other proof of His existence. Sorry if this isn't convincing for you.
If everybody will give a thought to hell and will realize that hell is ETERNAL there's no exit, it's 24/7 a lot of people will think different. God is love and has been patient with us and has given us lot of chances to repent. But people are so blind and into themselves that they are not willing to give HIM a chance they only call on Him when he/she is in danger.
@bravone1 You said that God is love right after saying that He will torture anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus was the Son of God. Please, explain to me how that represents love. My kids don't accept everything I say. The thought of torturing them for eternity never crossed my mind.
You made a comment about people only call on Him when they are in danger. Isn't that what you're asking? Call on Him to escape Hell.
@stoicsquirrel Yes we are calling on him and must follow his commandments to excape eternity in hell. Not my words but his over and over. We struggle and the flesh and there is no good in us without Christ Jesus. I wanted to send you a little more RE: free will, see the next post.
same cat diferent tail.....as a christian live what you believe in,became fanatic if you wish,but do not expect that every one that you approach will believe in what u believe.I found so much hipocrecy in churchs,not matter wich religion,all of them claim to help teh world ,hahaahha go to the bank and give some of you money away ,will you? of course not.I know that,I was one of u and im more save being who im .
Remember kids, god must have a blood sacrifice! Those are the rules by which he operates. But who made the rules that god has to follow? Why does he have to follow rules? Wouldn't an all-powerful, all-knowing creator god be able to simply forgive? To encourage rather than threaten? To respect the choices of the free will he has supposedly given us rather than punishing us for using it in a manner he does not approve of? Your religion has a staggering number of flaws.
@Shiftyeyedog YA KEEP ASKING FOR FORGIVNESS AND THEN JUST KEEP SINNING. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS. IF YOU TRULY REPENT YOUR ARE BORN AGAIN AND DONT' WANT TO DO THE THINGS YOU USE TO.
@stoicsquirrel Not a jab at your, but If i need to explain this you would not understand. Gods ways are not our ways. He does as he chooses and wills. We also do not have free will...Do slaves have free will?
@harleycraig1 After reading your statement, I am led to think one of two things here: either you think I'm an idiot and wouldn't understand your explanation, or you haven't got an answer and you think that by insulting my intelligence, you can't hide the fact that you don't know. If it's the former, I can assure you I would understand. If the latter is correct, I feel that it's more admirable to say you don't know then to attack another person.
@stoicsquirrel In no means do I want you to think that your an idiot. I do have an answer and would like to send you something regarding speaking in tounges..But it's a pretty long teaching. Again, not insulting your intelligence. You can reach me by going directly to my email.
How long has God known what you would choose? Every time
Can we do anything good apart from God?
Do we choose if we want wrath or not? correction? chastisement?
No one or anything can stop, hinder, prevent, pervert, slow down, speed up, interfere with, stall, change, or add to anything in God's will or plan. You will either be led by the spirit and the scriptures or you will be led by your feelings and flesh.
You can't present God the way you want to. You have to present him the way He is, from the absolute scriptures alone. You as a believer are not to be an ambassador for yourself. We are here to be an ambasador for Christ and we have to share Him his way, not ours, we must be obedient. ...
It doesn't sound like we have to much free will does it?
If we do it our way all we can choose is wrong or bad it's in our nature due to the fall in the garden.
@harleycraig1 To answer your question about slaves, sure, they do. There were many slaves that were openly defiant. But if the slave doesn't do what the master tells him, he gets beat, and possibly killed. Are you saying that God is like the slave master? That's not a very nice analogy.
@stoicsquirrel All I was saying is that Gods' ways are not our ways. Were not to lean on our own understading. God chastises those he loves. I'm not telling you my thoughts but scripture. Up until about a year ago I thought we had free will until someone took the time to explain and show me scripture.
@harleycraig1 So, you are saying that we DON'T have free will? Have you even read the Bible? It clearly says that we do. And, yes, I understand that God "chastises those he loves". That was the point you made when you compared him to a slave master. What I don't understand is why you think the slave master is a good thing.
@stoicsquirrel We serve him, we do not have free will. We have will and choice but it's not free..He's paid a price for us.
Don't get caught up on the word...and don't shoot the messenger. You can call him a slave master if you'd like Show me one place in the bible that it says we have free will. All you read and here is about His will for His glory...
His word never tells to go out and make our free choices.
It speaks over and over that He will do, and I will do...for His good will
@harleycraig1 First let me say this...i am not trying to belittle you in any way, I hope you understand that. Let me ask you this. Does Satan have free will to do what ever he wants? Or can he only do what God allows him as in the book of Job see 1:8-12.
Take a look also at 2Timothy 2-25-26
If you'd like I can send you a complete study on free will.
If not we can let it lie...this doesn't have anything to do with our Salvation. It's simply one word. we have will and choice but not free
@stoicsquirrel Not a jab at you, but If i need to explain this you would not understand. Gods ways are not our ways. He does as he chooses and wills. We also do not have free will...Do slaves have free will?
Amen, i will pray that keeps on following the lord
zachariahm10 1 week ago
The more I listen to adults spewing fairy tales like this, the more embarrassed I am for my fellow humans.
SubconsciousGatherer 4 months ago
@SubconsciousGatherer i suppose you believe in the fairy tale that everything came from nothing life arose from dead matter and we evolved? repent turn from sin and trust in Christ
mamainmancj 2 months ago
@mamainmancj And I suppose YOU believe in the fairy tale that everything came from nothing, that life arose from a magic man talking to the dirt and making a man, and then talking to that man's rib and making a woman? Oh right, YOUR belief makes SO much more sense! Repent and turn from superstitious mythology and trust in reason.
SubconsciousGatherer 2 months ago
Ben Valcin Hello, we are a student movement in the island of St. Lucia!!
We began in the year 1988. We help students to know Christ and to make him known. It is wonderful to see students' lives changed because of the love of Christ in them!! we are praying for your :) Christ to the schools
thereheis1000 4 months ago
@perfectshot77 God created us with open will, we are perfect creation and we have the power of choice. If God had created us without sin, then worship will be pointless, we would be robots just praising and loving God because thats the only thing we can do. So God created us with the choice of sinful or perfect life, but ofcouse we are not perfect, we all have sin. God knows that, so He send his son Jesus to live a perfect life without sin and die on the cross for our sins. read John 3:16
valdoflr 9 months ago
Surf City lol not really
RobbieOtto 9 months ago
@perfectshot77 the difference is that when i told you you're wrong i told you why.
anonazero 11 months ago
@perfectshot77 if you plug your ears, bury your head in the sand, and continue to repeat that maybe some day you'll start to believe it.
anonazero 11 months ago
@perfectshot77 oh i get what you're saying completely. you're just wrong. completely.
anonazero 11 months ago
@perfectshot77 rusting isn't an act of the will to defy its creator. God gave us choice.
we CHOOSE to sin. we CHOOSE to commit treason against God on a daily basis.
you're throwing that right out the window as if we have no choice which just isn't true.
anonazero 11 months ago
@perfectshot77 God didn't make us sin. he told us not to. he told us we'd die if we did.
then we gave him the finger and wrecked creation.
...and you want to say he's the bad guy?
anonazero 11 months ago
DILLLT
bullo97 11 months ago
So, it's a sin to be a heterosexual male?! Makes me wonder about the sexual orientation of these Christians...
demoskunk 11 months ago
oohh.. why don't we have these things in my country???... I'd love to pwn that clown, in public.
3dfreak 1 year ago
The guy should have just asked the questions back. It's so frustrating. Because EVERYONE has done them.
danthecat21 1 year ago
@danthecat21 That's the entire point.
ytuseruber 11 months ago
See Christian biophysicist Dr Francis Collins video "The Language of God" here on youtube. He talks about how idiots like this are making Christians look ridiculous by denying evolution. He explains how evolution happens and how it is undeniable. Only the dumbest of the dumb deny that evolution is fact.
MrTruthAddict 1 year ago
problem is this just believe is not what the bible says. its says those who believe and are baptized shall be saved. devils believe are they saved? so just confession and accepotance is wronge and paul never preached thgis gospil your preaching. you also deny the name of jesus in baptism read acts 2:38 see video response
michaelsullivan1959 1 year ago
message!
KWIKWS6 1 year ago
Sometime Meaning of life can be what we have to do answer.
ChrisCuffman12 1 year ago
Hey Ray. Are you Jesus?
KimmizzleSays 1 year ago
LOL "I'm catholic"
At least he knows hes going to hell. haha
itiswrittenbaptist 1 year ago
I can't believe this myth still persists
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
all the sources, documents, literature, and writings of Jesus.. including the fact that 70% of scholars and nearly every historian that investigates the life of Jesus come to agreement that he was who he claimed to be! or what about the people that came after Christ, like Josephus who wrote about him and said he was a miracle worker.. this is all a myth to you? you must indeed be one very stupid person if you deny the existence of Jesus!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
Is your claim that 70% of scholars state that Jesus' life, death, and resurrection, as told in the Bible, are unbridled truth? And you actually have the audacity to call ME stupid? This, by the way, was an insult hurled at me on the heels of inarticulate, albeit sardonic, speculation about my character and personal beliefs, which you managed to glean from a seven word youtube post.
Yes, the story of Jesus as a savior, the son of God, and a miracle worker is all a myth. And not just to me.
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
hahaha.. once again the type of mind set you people have has furthered embarrassed you in a whole of speculation and assumptions.. where in my comment did i say "70% of scholars state that Jesus life, death and resurrection is unbridled truth"... open your ears and go back to what i really said, dont let your hatred for God, and blindness guide you.. i said "70% of scholars THAT INVESTIGATE the story of Jesus, are in agreement that he was who he claimed to be, and that nearly every
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
historian that also INVESTIGATES the story of Jesus agrees too".. once again.. if you indeed deny the existence (not death and resurrection, even though there is evidence for that too, but just the existence) of Jesus... you ARE (NOT MUST) YOU ARE.. one very stupid person..
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
BUT PLEASE WAIT.. call me on what i just said, dont believe the statistics i just told you, i dare you please please please, ask me for evidence of these numbers.. and ill be glad to show your godless mind, how wrong you are!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
Regardless of whether you agree with him, Dawkins is a brilliant logician and scientific thinker. You would do wise to listen to what he has to say, especially regarding evolutionary biology, but the decision is yours to make.
And, if you have it, I'd like to see what source provided you with the statistic about "70% of historians."
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
dawkins is an idiot.. but im not even going to talk about him because its simply a waste of my time, and not worth talking about!
ill send you the links through your personal messages, youtube wont let me do it here.
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
i forgot to mention.. if i am mistaken about you being an atheist, what is there for me to be sorry for.. so what if i just assumed you were, from your little comment, i checked your page first to see if you were but it did not say, but then i seen you were friends with "the official richard dawkins channel" and so its not hard to assume your an atheist.. but none the less, by just assuming, did i commit murder or something.. take my comments, how you want, im not trying to be
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
insulting.. its more like im trying to show you how ignorant you are by saying "The Jesus story is a myth".. that among many other things atheists say is such a STUUUUUPID comment!... how ignorant and retarded for you to even think Jesus's EXISTENCE was a myth.. i can see not believing he resurrected, but to not believe he existed.. lol if thats what you believe.... wow
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
Did you see that key piece of punctuation at the end of my first sentence? That's a question mark and, in this instance, it was to ask for clarification. Like I said, you're not terribly articulate, so further explanation was necessary to clear up any ambiguity in your statement. Also, the "myth" I referred to was the Bible in it's near entirety, not just the parts featuring Jesus. And Richard Dawkins focuses on evolutionary biology as much as anything else. Please, link me to your sources.
subpoprec 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt And if they're not primary sources or secondary sources that translate unabridged versions of primary sources, please do not waste my time.
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
ok im only going to respond to the 2nd half of your first comment and all of your 2nd comment.. even so dawkins main focus is evolution, i was just making a point of how stupid someone can be!.. yea, i just called someone with a phd, who teaches at a university and is a scientist stupid.. smart and stupid co-exist with the same mind very often!.. in reply to your 2nd comment.. could you please be more specific on what sources you want me to send you, i got lost and forgot what we
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
were talking about, my apologies!.. but please just tell me and ill send you them in your personal messages!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
An idiot, eh? And Christopher Hitchens, too? How about Daniel Dennett? And Sam Harris? And Ricky Gervais isn't funny, either, right?
But I bet Dinesh D'Souza is an incomparable genius who has made inspiring contributions to the realm of religious philosophical debate.
It's my assumption that the assertions you make about one's intellect are based largely on their personal beliefs about God (not god, but God).
I still have yet to look at your links. In time...
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
lol i dont recall mention the other atheists like hitchens in my comments, and YOU JUST ASSUMED i put them in same place as dawkins hahaha wow.. but dont think for one second i call dawkins an idiot for no reason, i have MANY reasons, and most of them have nothing to do with religion or God.. and i mentioned one in my message to you.. but i dont no why were talkin about him, like i said, his existence is not worth my time to talk about.. but when you do look at my links
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt Hitchens brother Peter Hitchens is a christian.
dealerovski82 1 year ago
@dealerovski82
yea i no.. whats your comment referring to?
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
i hope you realize and it digs in to your brain that this sentence "i cant believe this myth still persists" is one of the most stupidest and ignorant things iv heard someone say.. you should be ashamed of yourself, and no that my statistics smash your sentence and ignorance into pieces!!
not tryna be rude
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt Did you just use the words "most stupidest [sic]" to call me ignorant?
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
lol ahah ok whats your point, you corrected my grammar, thank you!.. and me calling you ignorant is only because you clearly said one of the most ignorant things iv ever heard.. "they still persist with this myth" .... lol come on man, please just look at the links i gave you.. ! i begg of you..
Merry Christmas and may God bless your heart
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@JusJuiceIt I did. Read your inbox.
subpoprec 1 year ago
@subpoprec
but you probably have no trouble believing in Alexander the Great do you, only a fool would say he never existed! but its funny because Alexander was born 500 years before Jesus!! and Alexander's first writings didnt come until 400 years after, by only two men (Arion and Plutarch).. Jesus's writings came ONLY 12 years after his death and they continued to about 70 years after, and his writings came from a couple dozen men, not 2, but a couple dozen, and most were eye witnesses!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
@subpoprec
but your totally right!! "i cant believe this myth still persists".. yea i no, wow.. what a bunch of idiots these Christians are, there certainly not like the atheist who would believe in Alexander the great rather then the existence of Jesus!
Jesus has twice as many sources, documents and writings then Alexander the great, but its the hatred in your mind that blinds you from knowing the truth!
JusJuiceIt 1 year ago
This is their argument: "Can you explain to me how can you make a cow...? NO?! Well then there MUST be a flying magical sky daddy!"
KakashiHatake2121 1 year ago
The payment is 20 years in prison, but then someone walks in and pays your fine? This is the issue with scripted propaganda.
cronchin 1 year ago
According to this logic, if you have told the truth before, it makes you honest. If you've lied before, and have told the truth before, you can be both a liar and honest. Hmmm?? come see wherethebiblespeaks on youtube
wherethebiblespeaks 1 year ago
@wherethebiblespeaks ...the law is a standard to be met. If I were to steal something, then give something I own to someone free of charge, that doesn't make me innocent of the previous crime. Being honest at a later time, does not "un-do" the previous lie. Running a stop sign is not "undone" by stopping at the next. It is not a simple balance system where the net value is viewed. Even if it was, we'd fail anyway...
soccerpeve 1 year ago
@soccerpeve
That's correct, but I didn't say anything about "undoing" the previous. wherethebiblespeak on youtube
wherethebiblespeaks 1 year ago
A corrupt judge would punish somebody innocent in the place of somebody guilty.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
U cannot preach Christianity.A Christian is a follower of Christ.This video is about a follower of Christ trying to lead people to Christ.In the Bible it talks about those who do not believe.Think to urselfs,ok if i die,well what if heaven does exist? would I go?wouldnt u wanna know before u die?when u get to those gates do u what be asked to turn around?Kirk & Ray make great points,and have a lot of wisdom.maybe people say God does not exist cause they dont want 2 follow His laws.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@kiddwiffplugs at least Justin seemed interested in what dude was saying. didnt u see his face he looked like he was going to cry there for a minute.I hope one day u find Jesus and that He has a place in your heart because He love u !
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 If anything Justin was annoyed and just wanted the money. & I had found God, I was an active participant in my church and a missionary as well, geshhhh, I even was the vice president of a christian club last year at my school. But then I just came to the realization that the bible is a load of bull, it's sad we still live by words written down by cavemen. Their's scientific proof that half the shit in the bible is just crap. God also contradicts himself so many times.
kiddwiffplugs 1 year ago
@kiddwiffplugs y do u say that?look, I dont go to church but i have my faith,He does not contradict Himself at all,Thats y theres an old and new testament.If u just asked for understanding of the bible,He will give it to u.U can be in a church,a vice president,and an active participant,but u have to have Jesus,because only through Him can u get to God.Cavemen were in the beginning of time,the men who wrote the Bible were close to God,and Jesus Christ.He still loves u
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 I encourage Christians to find a good church because the Bible instructs us to be in relationship with other believers. If we are part of Christ's body, we will recognize our need to fit into the body of believers.Hebrews 10:25
Let us not give up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but let us encourage one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.
alexandgabe 1 year ago
@kiddwiffplugs, I John 5:10,13 10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 13These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God: that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
alexandgabe 1 year ago
@alexandgabe I appreciate the time you took to write this but it doesn't mean anything to me, I don't believe in God nor bible verses . . . anymore. It's just old english.
kiddwiffplugs 1 year ago
A bit bloody boring, same old questions again and again. This proves that bible believers can not think without the bible.
I sooner watch/listen to these black hebrew israelites for they are funny and dress up in clown clobber.
krissyeh 1 year ago
it's a shame how these people Preach Christianity, absolute shame...
bbbibo9700 1 year ago
@bbbibo9700 . well.. He said believe in christ.. He forgot to say repent . "repent and believe" is the answer! Many people only believe, and thats why many are still in their sins. But if you want to know God, and want to give up on youre own desire of the flesh, you will get saved(born again)
wesdwesdwesdwesd 1 year ago
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lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@wesdwesdwesdwesd i thought i heard him say to repent, ask for forgivness
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@bbbibo9700 i wouldnt say that since he's preaching the true word of god
matthewzanker777 1 year ago
@matthewzanker777 Anytime you are using Fear to convince people to Follow Jesus that's not the Word of God at all... and thats what "with all do Respect" the strategy that Born Again Christians Follow...and thats a Shame, Jesus never used Fear, he never stood on a Pedestal and Preached Down to people...
bbbibo9700 1 year ago
@bbbibo9700 Luke12:4-5 (Jesus says) And I say to you,My friends,do not be afraid of those who kill the body,and after that have no more they can do.But I will show you whom you should fear:Fear Him who, after He has killed,has the power to cast into hell;yes,I say to you, fear Him!(it says even sparrows are not forgotten by God,that the hairs on our head are numbered,that we should fear no man,but God,and we r more of value than many sparrows.we r very much loved)and He will protect us,believe
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@bbbibo9700 its not preaching christianity,its telling and educating people about the word of God and how He sent His Son to die for us so we could live.But it is a shame that people do not believe what is being said..very sad
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
Animals are more innocent than all the atheists combined, yet animals cannot speak a language.
aggpsx 1 year ago
Great job. Had me on the edge of my seat.
sosmither 1 year ago
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sosmither 1 year ago
AND GOD WILL NEVER COME DOWN TO THE EARTH AND SAVE US....IF HE DOES HE WILL WIPE AWAY ALL WHITE PEOPLE FOR THIE DESTRUCTION OF EARTH AND HUMAN CULTURES....
thiizzman510 1 year ago
UMMMMMM...IM NATIVE AMERICAN AND ASSHOLES WHO PREACH THIS STUPID FUCKIN BOOK THAT BRAINWASHES PEOPLE INTO THINKIN IF THEY DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS THAT THEY SHOULD GO TO HELL AND INDIANS ARE STUPID FOR BELIEVING IN EARTH AND THAT WE ARE SAVAGES....I DONT BELIEVE IN JESUS..I BELIEVE IN THE SUN.......AM I GUNNA BURN IN A LAKE OF FIRE NOW?????????????????...NATIVE PRIDE.....FUCK THE BIBLE AND THE PEOPLE WHO TAKE IT TO HEART....MOTHER EARTH BITCHES!!
thiizzman510 1 year ago
@thiizzman510 no not that they should go to hell,but that they will go.all God is doing is warning everyone.only u can choose to love Him and His Son.Im Indian too.i dont think ur stupid for believeing in the earth and sun cause thats ur choice.no matter what every christian should respect and at least be knowledgable to other peoples beliefs,they just go about it the wrong way.i myself just want people to know the truth thats in the bible,Jesus Christ and God are awesome.2 me God made the sun
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 their's websites devoted to all his contradictions, in church we are brainwashed to believe what a silly little book says. If God is such an awsome God, why is their poverty, murder, and everything else that goes badly wrong, I bet your just thinking "Ohhh, God has a plan for him/her" . . . Bullshit that's just an excuse you were brainwashed with to say in church.
kiddwiffplugs 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 "not that they should go to hell" Then he's no God. He can stop it, but he choses not to.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@Keitaro2011 Your right he can stop it,but its up to you whether He does or not,Only You can Believe on Jesus Christ,Only you can turn from your sin and ask for forgiveness, and only you can repent and only you can change your attitude and say, well Thankyou God for sending your Son to die for us that we may live, and thanku Jesus for dying for me.Its a gift.Do u accept it?Only through Christ can u get to God.May Glory to You Father!!!!
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 I can't believe in something with no evidence and which is logically absurd. I also cannot worship a being that thinks it's just to punish an innocent person in the place of a guilty person, much less several guilty people, who thinks it's morally correct to allow people to be tortured forever or give people the power to make that decision without fully informing them of the parameters, or ever making them incapable of knowing the parameters. Sorry, it's all mind control.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@Keitaro2011 And you dont think the Bilble is enough to show u the truth.Well it doesnt matter whether u believe it or not its the truth, unfortunatly some people have to find out the hard way because they are so hardened from the truth they just dont want to believe.Not saying your that person because i dont know u but just talking to ui can c right now u have ur mind made up.but just think about it.think what if there is a heaven.would I go,dont u wanna find out before u die?pray!!!believe!
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 It isn't. It's poorly written, contains nothing profound, and is filled with absurdities and attrocities. How can I believe an omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent being wrote it?
What if there's a stripper factory when you die and the only way to get there is to believe in the flying spaghetti monster? "What if there's a heaven" is a false dichotomy because there is an infinite number of "What ifs."
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@Keitaro2011 well with all do respect but u can only tell a person something so many times and if they believe they believe, reguardless of whether u do or not, the bible is real.Im sorry u dont feel the same way as i do and many others,i hope one day u change ur mind, have a good day.god bless
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 Can you prove it?
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@Keitaro2011 The evidence is all around you.You will soon see I have faith in that. Also we have free will. It is up to each person in how they live that one life. We are like a horse wearing blinders. We can only see what is directly in front of us. Our omniscient Father can see everything. He is our creator and knows infintly more than us; therefore, how can we, HIS CREATION, question his plan?
alexandgabe 1 year ago
@alexandgabe Evidence of what? Allah? Quetzelcoatl? Odin? Zues? Vishnu? Brama?
How can God fault us when we CAN'T know everything?
Also, why is questioning a bad thing? Questioning is only "bad" whe tne thing being questioned has something wrong with it. This "we can't know everything" is a copout.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
@Keitaro2011Its not a copout.Its just that we dont know everything but he does and he knows us. "Phil 2:9-11Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ isLord,to the glory of God the Father.
alexandgabe 1 year ago
@alexandgabe Then how can we be faulted? If he's all powerful and all knowing, a conversation like this shouldn't even happen.
Keitaro2011 1 year ago
god spoke to him. did you see?
txmomoftwo1 1 year ago
If jesus never committed adultery in his heart by lusting after a women he saw, then he seriously had no clue what being a human being is actually like. He did not experience what it is like to be one of us because he never fell in love with a women romantically and then experienced having her betray him or anything like that. He lived a pathetic life in this sense, he did not get to experience any of the real beauty of this world, the beauty that comes from romantic love and having children.
ripemind 1 year ago
@ripemind Jesus is God. He is STILL living, and will return soon as King. You may condescend to Him at that time (?!) But for now,..you should look to Him for forgiveness! He was perfect and did not sin in any way at all.
MultiBuakaw 1 year ago
@ripemind
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@ripemind Jesus did not come to be a sinner, remember he came from our Father to save sinners from the deceiver who is the devil.It is written that is what he'll do.If you want to experience real beaty, then thats Gods love.Romantic love can go bad and never last, but our Fathers love is forever, and is more beautiful than anything in this sinning world.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@ripemind you have no clue of what your talking about. jesus wasn't sent here to find love. he was sent here to die for our sins. jesus was love. why would he want to find it in a woman? come on make sense. jesus was betrayed judas betrayal is betrayal be at man or women.the world is not of real beauty heaven is. you act like you went through more than jesus. if you life ws so great why you putting down jesus if your so happy
TheStrawbeery 1 year ago
This is the most beautiful thing ever.
Zeikid 1 year ago
Is this religion?
Ever read the Talmud of Jmmanuel?
PantsThatDontFit 1 year ago
1. They should put this preacher out more often. His accent is much less annoying than Ray's, and he's less pushy.
2. The name of this test is misleading. They should call "Are you a perfect Christian?".
zeppelin8 1 year ago
The law is not Christ.A liar,thief,adulterous, by difference is not Christ.If this man passed the test he would still be condemned because he is flesh.Christ is not equal to the ten commandments in Virtue.So if I present law and not the Person of Christ in Nature I'm conforming the man to morality of law which Christ is not.Christ exceeds law in virtue.Christ knowledge without law is sufficient to lead a Person to Himself.Christ is holy is conviction to a thief,sinner.
polopowers1 1 year ago
@polopowers1 why are you trying to argue with this... shame on you
noooblover 1 year ago
@noooblover Christ is a holy conviction,,,shame on you
polopowers1 1 year ago
a stealer.... lol what by his own mouth. his buddys telln him everything to say u can hear him better the him lol
xXsquishy420Xx 1 year ago
These evangelicals are such jerks.
friedie1jeff 1 year ago
Judges demonstrably exist. God doesn't. Theres the flaw in this guys argument. He is not demonstrating his assertions, he is simply asserting things. I could stand up beside him and tell people that they are bad because they don't meet the Great Leprechaun in the skies standard, and unless they accept the leprechauns gift of salvation, they will be doomed to the underworld. But in means nothing if I do not demonstrate the statement as true.
redsaint182 1 year ago
@redsaint182 and that is your choice my friend.. but in the end we will see who is right wont we?
noooblover 1 year ago
@noooblover No, you won't actually. If you cannot see now, or at some point in your life, that religious people are wrong, then you will never see it : )
redsaint182 1 year ago
@redsaint182 quit lying to yourself. when you die we will see who is right. do you not agree? why are you looking at these videos? You have been offered many chances by god to just take the free gift he is offering you. I dont need to say anthing more to you. If you dont wanna believe thats on you
noooblover 1 year ago
@noooblover (1) im not lying to myself (2) no, we won't see anything when we are dead, we won't be conscious and our body will decay and rot away (3) god has to exist to offer chances of something, and I don't believe he exists (4) believe is not a choice, and not about what I "want", I am swayed by evidence, and go where the evidence leads. I don't care about what I "want", I care about truth.
redsaint182 1 year ago
Our body will die but our souls will live on, that is, for the believers, soften your heart to Jesus.He died for you,read the BIble and watch the news.everything is coming true,don't you see that?Gods word is the truth.He wants you to know the truth.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 I don't believe in souls, they have never been demonstrated to exist. I have also read the Bible before, and no, everything is not "coming true," biblical prophecy claims are just vague things that can be used during any time ("wars and rumors of wars" and "earthquakes," none of it is valid prophecy, and much of it is post diction, or a case of where writers knew old prophecies when writing books, in the case of messianic prophecy.)
redsaint182 1 year ago
@redsaint182 I pray God has mercy on your soul,Believing is a choice,But let me share from my own life that He does exist and I promise He does.So many things have happened with myself and my family that I know the truth.I'm sad you don't feel the same.and yes things are coming true.
lovinggodsword850308 1 year ago
@lovinggodsword850308 No, believing is not a choice. I cannot choose to believe in leprechauns, gods, or fairies; I am either convinced by the evidence or I am not. There have been no confirmed prophecies. Muslims will share from their personal experience that Allah exists, Hindu's will share that Shiva or Krishna or a number of others exist. You cannot all be right. And if they can be fooled by "personal experience", then so can you :) Take care, and have a nice day.
redsaint182 1 year ago
what is all of this?!! dont fear your god.
youngmarkus 1 year ago
watch my huntington vidssss!!
youngmarkus 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
to Omnicron777 and the spirit that is using them for subversion.Do you think you have found an excuse to justify your sin and rebellion to the creator,u pick a smal thing,twist it and then your off! Jesus (GOD) also fed people,rasied the dead to life, healed the lame and lepers, saved an adulteres life and lastly the thing you need he cleaned people of demons. He died for the afflicted humans so we could spend eternity with him in heaven- dont believe in demons see my channel
YaOkRight 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
As for slavery, who's morality do you submit to? Your own or God's? We understand that left to ourselves, we who are supposedly progressively moral beings have caused much destruction upon ourselves and this earth and continue to do so. So, what makes you so reliant on your own sense of good and evil?
Furthermore, how much do you really understand about what slavery was like in those days? You rely on too few passages, and are missing the bigger picture. Read the entire Exodus 21
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
You're taking Matthew 5:17 out of context and you misunderstand what it meant for Christ to fulfill the Law. From reading Matthew 5:17, you understand that Christ was talking about fulfilling the Law especially in light of Romans 10:4 and Galatians 3:24. Furthermore, you seem to be the only person around who believes He's only talking about fulfilling the prophesies.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
Or have you not read 2 Corinthians 5:21? The problem here is that you claim to have been a Christian apologist, but you've never even begun to understand this core Christian doctrine and it has ruined your understanding of other Scriptural passages. I question your understanding of the gospel itself.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
You're a deceiver. Complete Matthew 5:17 - Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them **but to fulfill them.**
This is meant to say that our efforts to live a holy life is never enough because we are sinful and imperfect. Christ who was the perfect human AND God came to die as a payment for our sins so that we would be presented clean before God as if we kept the Law ourselves. HE fulfills the Law for us!
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
1 Peter 2:18 - Read verse 20 which says that it is credited to those who do good and still suffer injustice from harsh masters. The Bible doesn't condone harsh slave masters, it teaches how to react to them in a godly way.
1 Cor 14:34 - This merely speaks on women not having authority over men. No word about losing all rights. How do you reconcile this passage: Ephesians 5:22-33? Women are loved by their husbands as the Church is to Christ.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
I don't deny that in the old days the Israelites were commanded to severely punish homosexuals and probably execute pagans. Such is the nature of the holy wrath of God. But, to say women had no rights? You're no longer talking about God's law, but you're instead talking about the cultural norms of Jewish society! Women had a special place in God's providence and plan, and just because they weren't given authority over men didn't mean God didn't value them.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
You claim to have been a hardcore Christian apologist, but you seem to omit Jesus saying to a crowd of self-righteous Jews that those who were without sin can cast the first stone upon the adulterous woman. Consequently, you see none of the Christians in the New Testament doing any of the things you listed. We see that religious institutions like the Roman Catholic Church are responsible for bloody wars and executions. But, true Christians were given up to martyrdom.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@Omnicron777
It's not surprising that opponents of Christianity have the worst understanding of our doctrines. You make very bold yet misguided statements about our faith. You can list all the verse you want to prove your point, but you'll never take them in context to the Bible in its entirety. All you can do is mock us because you cannot even work hard enough to correctly understand Christianity and the Bible in order to give an accurate criticism.
falsethreats 1 year ago
We Christians can debate all day, those who dont want GOD cannot be talked into moving from death to life.If they do not have the Holy Spirit Spirit moving them to repentance they will never become born again.Without becoming born again- sin and the demonic forces that go along with sin will continue to reign in that persons life.
YaOkRight 1 year ago
It's amazing how the word of God can be heard when His children are commited to speaking
chukurulugai 1 year ago
Luv my niggas, but where's my bitches?
Spartacus217 1 year ago
So if I murder and get sentenced to death and someone says they will take my place for execution, a righteous judge would allow that? Doesn't seem like God is a very good judge.
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
Well, it goes beyond just a courtroom analogy. Imagine having the guilt of your sins against God placed upon Jesus instead of on you so it appears that Jesus Himself committed that crime. No longer are you responsible for paying the price for your sins, but instead Jesus pays it for you because through the transferring of guilt Jesus becomes liable for payment and His deity makes His death enough to pay for sin.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats
That is disproportionate. If the consequence for our sin is to suffer in hell for eternity, then if Jesus is to take the burden of our sins then he should go to hell. Otherwise it makes no sense.
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
And, Jesus did descend to hell when He died on the cross. Our sins are infinitely serious (bc we sinned against an infinitely dignified God), and it took something as unthinkable as Jesus' separation from God (which is essentially what hell is) to save us. Jesus is in essence God, sinless and infinitely dignified, so His death (and thus separation) alone was enough to cover all the sins of those who put their faith in Him.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@groundsman
Think about it, if God Himself can, with his own power, create the entire universe, isn't He also capable of paying for every sin by sacrificing Himself (just as the Israelites tried to do with impure lambs' blood offerings). That's why Jesus is called the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world; He was pure and He was enough to pay it all.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats
If God himself has the power to create the entire universe, then he has the power not to send ANYONE to hell. God cannot punish us so maliciously for the imperfections that he created us with.
And when you say that jesus did descend into hell.. well three days is hardly an eternity. If your God is real, I would rather have never existed than endure his petty temper and infinite wrath. If he knew I would be a sinner then why did he create me? It's absurd.
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
Indeed, He has the power not to send anyone to hell, but you didn't think that would conflict with His holiness and justice? God revealed in Scripture that He doesn't change who He is. Furthermore, He didn't create us imperfect. Adam and Eve were initially sinless and were led astray just as Satan himself was an angel and rebelled. As for your opinion that His wrath is excessive, remember that you're only human and He is GOD. Your and His standards obviously don't match so why rebel
falsethreats 1 year ago
@groundsman
As for why He created you despite knowing you'd be sinful, Scripture reveals that the reason all things exist is for God. In other words, if people go to hell, it glorifies God for His justice and holiness; if people are saved, it glorifies God for His grace and mercy. All creation glorifies God's infinite power. So, you're left with the decision of humbling yourself to God and receiving Christ as your only way to heaven or being adamant in refusing Him and receiving justice.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats
GOD isnt sending anyone to hell. People are sending themselves to hell.for rejecting cleansing from sins
YaOkRight 1 year ago
@YaOkRight
What you're talking about is people being accountable for their sins and going to hell because of their sins. Indeed, no man will be without responsibility for his transgressions against God. What I'm talking about here is that God will judge every human and will condemn those who do not have Christ. If there was no judgment, there is no hell.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats So god created us for his own glory and for someone on which to demonstrate his justice? Well to me that seems incredibly selfish on his part. To say that it is ok to allow this suffering as long as he feels glorified seems so petty and below any god of infinite goodness. I can understand why you feel the way you do, because I used to be the same, but surely these things bother you?
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
Of course it used to bother me. That's why I previously was agnostic for a couple of years. But, it came to the point where I realized that I'm only human (and not God) and could not rely on my own fallible knowledge and understanding because despite having the Bible, there are still many mysteries that God did not reveal to us.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@groundsman
Furthermore, who are we that God should have any kind of mercy upon us? If you think about it, we are extremely small in comparison to the universe (study astronomy). What's worse is that we are the only beings in creation that have rebelled against God's commands (aside from the demons). We've gone against the divine God that deserves every moment of our lives. And it's due to His divine nature that I understand why He has such a high standard and equally high punishment.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@groundsman
In the end, it's really humanism and the notion that humans are of equal or greater value and worth to God that brings us to thinking that God is selfish and unfair. It's by making ourselves to be gods that make us opposed to God Himself. That's why God opposes the proud and gives grace to the humble (James 4:6).
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats Study astronomy? that is exactly what I do. Who are we to question God? well apparently we are his creations (in his own image no less!) so we should be able to do just that. And you are getting me wrong I don't hate god and think that I am his equal.. I simply don't believe in him based on the absurd lack of evidence.
Tell me, do you worship him because you love him or because you want to avoid hell? If there was no fear of hell would you still worship him?
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
I worship Him because I love Him and because He is worthy of my whole life. That's not to say that hell was not any kind of reality that I had to face. There is no salvation without the reality of God's law and justice affecting us. But, the glory of God's grace shines out of my worship as well as the awe of His infinite qualities. Would I still worship Him if there was no fear of hell? Yes! God created us in His image, so our purpose and joy is in worshiping and imaging Him.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@groundsman
Read Romans 9. The author, Paul, asks "Who are we to question God?" and gives the analogy of God being the potter and us being the clay. God has the right to create us in any way, and we may question God but we are totally without right to do so. And Paul wrote all this knowing that we were created in God's image (being a Pharisee in his non-Christian life). This has to mean that being made in God's image has a different connotation than to be able to question Him.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats I think the problem I have caused here is that I'm bringing up issues from within a religious context by discussing the semantics of the bible. My primary issue isn't with the morality of god (although that still bothers me) but actually with his existence altogether. I don't believe he exists, or at least not within a religious context. Demanding we have faith goes against natural intuition and is unfair.
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
What God has revealed as the evidence of His existence (which is His creation) is regarded as insufficient. Seeing everything around us isn't good enough to convince us that God created everything because now we ponder the many possibly erroneous scientific theories out there. Human knowledge has advanced so far, but I cannot put my faith in fallible human wisdom.
Other than God's design, I cannot offer any other proof of His existence. Sorry if this isn't convincing for you.
falsethreats 1 year ago
@falsethreats Ok well I doubt either of us will be convincing each other but it was good to have a discussion that didn't degenerate into insults.
All the best
groundsman 1 year ago
@groundsman
I am likewise glad to have had a peaceful discussion with you. Don't take this the wrong way, but I pray for salvation for you.
falsethreats 1 year ago
Noah's ark fail! We all descended from adam! We are all inbred'! Lmfao.
MRfullon 1 year ago
If everybody will give a thought to hell and will realize that hell is ETERNAL there's no exit, it's 24/7 a lot of people will think different. God is love and has been patient with us and has given us lot of chances to repent. But people are so blind and into themselves that they are not willing to give HIM a chance they only call on Him when he/she is in danger.
bravone1 1 year ago 2
@bravone1 Assuming there is a hell. Which there most likely isn't.
MRfullon 1 year ago
@bravone1 You said that God is love right after saying that He will torture anyone who doesn't believe that Jesus was the Son of God. Please, explain to me how that represents love. My kids don't accept everything I say. The thought of torturing them for eternity never crossed my mind.
You made a comment about people only call on Him when they are in danger. Isn't that what you're asking? Call on Him to escape Hell.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel Yes we are calling on him and must follow his commandments to excape eternity in hell. Not my words but his over and over. We struggle and the flesh and there is no good in us without Christ Jesus. I wanted to send you a little more RE: free will, see the next post.
harleycraig1 1 year ago
same cat diferent tail.....as a christian live what you believe in,became fanatic if you wish,but do not expect that every one that you approach will believe in what u believe.I found so much hipocrecy in churchs,not matter wich religion,all of them claim to help teh world ,hahaahha go to the bank and give some of you money away ,will you? of course not.I know that,I was one of u and im more save being who im .
billiomio 1 year ago
Remember kids, god must have a blood sacrifice! Those are the rules by which he operates. But who made the rules that god has to follow? Why does he have to follow rules? Wouldn't an all-powerful, all-knowing creator god be able to simply forgive? To encourage rather than threaten? To respect the choices of the free will he has supposedly given us rather than punishing us for using it in a manner he does not approve of? Your religion has a staggering number of flaws.
Shiftyeyedog 1 year ago
@Shiftyeyedog YA KEEP ASKING FOR FORGIVNESS AND THEN JUST KEEP SINNING. THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE. YOU HAVE TO CHANGE YOUR WAYS. IF YOU TRULY REPENT YOUR ARE BORN AGAIN AND DONT' WANT TO DO THE THINGS YOU USE TO.
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 You missed the point Shiftyeyedog was making. Why doesn't God simply forgive? Why did He need a blood sacrifice?
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel Not a jab at your, but If i need to explain this you would not understand. Gods ways are not our ways. He does as he chooses and wills. We also do not have free will...Do slaves have free will?
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 After reading your statement, I am led to think one of two things here: either you think I'm an idiot and wouldn't understand your explanation, or you haven't got an answer and you think that by insulting my intelligence, you can't hide the fact that you don't know. If it's the former, I can assure you I would understand. If the latter is correct, I feel that it's more admirable to say you don't know then to attack another person.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel In no means do I want you to think that your an idiot. I do have an answer and would like to send you something regarding speaking in tounges..But it's a pretty long teaching. Again, not insulting your intelligence. You can reach me by going directly to my email.
God Bless,
Craig
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel RE:free will cont'd
How long has God known what you would choose? Every time
Can we do anything good apart from God?
Do we choose if we want wrath or not? correction? chastisement?
No one or anything can stop, hinder, prevent, pervert, slow down, speed up, interfere with, stall, change, or add to anything in God's will or plan. You will either be led by the spirit and the scriptures or you will be led by your feelings and flesh.
More to come
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel RE:Free Will.
You can't present God the way you want to. You have to present him the way He is, from the absolute scriptures alone. You as a believer are not to be an ambassador for yourself. We are here to be an ambasador for Christ and we have to share Him his way, not ours, we must be obedient. ...
It doesn't sound like we have to much free will does it?
If we do it our way all we can choose is wrong or bad it's in our nature due to the fall in the garden.
Praise you God
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 To answer your question about slaves, sure, they do. There were many slaves that were openly defiant. But if the slave doesn't do what the master tells him, he gets beat, and possibly killed. Are you saying that God is like the slave master? That's not a very nice analogy.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel All I was saying is that Gods' ways are not our ways. Were not to lean on our own understading. God chastises those he loves. I'm not telling you my thoughts but scripture. Up until about a year ago I thought we had free will until someone took the time to explain and show me scripture.
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 So, you are saying that we DON'T have free will? Have you even read the Bible? It clearly says that we do. And, yes, I understand that God "chastises those he loves". That was the point you made when you compared him to a slave master. What I don't understand is why you think the slave master is a good thing.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel We serve him, we do not have free will. We have will and choice but it's not free..He's paid a price for us.
Don't get caught up on the word...and don't shoot the messenger. You can call him a slave master if you'd like Show me one place in the bible that it says we have free will. All you read and here is about His will for His glory...
His word never tells to go out and make our free choices.
It speaks over and over that He will do, and I will do...for His good will
God Bless
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 Now you're just arguing semantics. And I didn't call him a slave master. YOU made the comparison.
stoicsquirrel 1 year ago
@harleycraig1 First let me say this...i am not trying to belittle you in any way, I hope you understand that. Let me ask you this. Does Satan have free will to do what ever he wants? Or can he only do what God allows him as in the book of Job see 1:8-12.
Take a look also at 2Timothy 2-25-26
If you'd like I can send you a complete study on free will.
If not we can let it lie...this doesn't have anything to do with our Salvation. It's simply one word. we have will and choice but not free
harleycraig1 1 year ago
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@stoicsquirrel Not a jab at you, but If i need to explain this you would not understand. Gods ways are not our ways. He does as he chooses and wills. We also do not have free will...Do slaves have free will?
harleycraig1 1 year ago
@stoicsquirrel RE: Free WIl.. How could God say what is going to happen for sure if we can do anything we want?
Do we tell God what were going to do, or does God tell us what we're going to do?
Did we choose or will to be made?
Did we choose or will to be male or female?
Did we choose or will who our parent's would be?
Did our parent's choose or will who their children would be?
Did Adam choose or will to be tempted?
Do we have free will to choose whatever we want? Or does God give the choices?
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