I always disliked this kind of bands for not having some REAL opera singing, now I have a winner (: love this girl's voice, its fucking powerful! Even more powerful than JB's voice on The Pick Of Destiny
It's a good song, but I'm not able to like her voice... It's not bad! I mean... Actually, it's a great voice. But it's so loud! Sound like... Diabolic? Haha! I prefer Diabulus in Musica and Epica.
@dunndudebemelol I dont like all of what nightwish did in their early days, some of their stuff is interesting, others are boring ,(i think angel falls first is an exemple: Tutankhamen is great but the rest isn't). The problem with Crysalis, is that the voice couldn't fit less with the music. Nightwish did a great job switching lead singers i think, because Annette's more 'popy' voice was well worked in the latest albums.
@orionzeden Honestly, I believe the Old Singer for Nightwish was more better than the new one. She had a more beautiful voice and she matched the band. I couldnt stand the new singer.
I gotta say that I really like this song. If you take the time to read the lyrics, you can see why there's so much dissonance in this song. The composition is pretty impressive and unique. The vocals are pretty powerful as well! You can tell that a lot of work went into this and it shows!
This song is absolutely disgusting. 500 effects on the voice, doesn't sound good at all and will sound absolutely terrible live. Can't they just skip all the effects? It's not like she's a bad singer. looking at earlier songs from them without all this garbage attached to it you'll find an actual good song.
this is nothing but a gimmick.....opera and keyboards over simple hardcore riffs, coupled with over produced garbage production.....chick is attractive but nothing fancy, guys are dressed cliche, and did i mention that the song structure is crap? this is an abomination. women have become a cheap trick in 'extreme' genres of music. ya know, i listened to Arch Enemy years ago before diving deeper into metal, and i still enjoy Angela's vocals and the Amott brothers' leads, but this is just trash.
No, actually, I'm not. Sure, it might not be the best music out there, but what I'm tired of is how people such as you seem to think that it is the best thing in the world to relentlessly criticize people such as this band for their hard work. Just because it doesn't fit your worthless little shitlist of enjoyment doesn't mean that they aren't good at what they do. Maybe that's the sound they wanted to achieve. That alone makes them good. Commitment to doing what they love.
I think they were pushing the operatic angle a bit too hard in this song, but it still worked. Sounds sort of derivative of Therion to me, but I still like this a lot.
@MoonlightFlowersfans yea, thrash metal. do you know anything about guitar technics? that´s a tipical picking of thrash. the brakdowns are like slayer, exodus.
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This type of band of a "hot" chick that can sing opera and a bunch of random guys hiding their lack of musical tallent behind tons of orchestras and that are cheap copies of nigthwish/within temptation are REALLY boring.
Nothing new... boring intonation, boring voice, boring girl... of course her hair ist red, of course she sings in "opera-style" of course you'll find heavy guitars...
@lookvlad it's not a powerful voice, it's just five thousand effects and voice overs used to make it seem like she has a good voice. this is terrible singing.
@xxph4nt0mxx It appears I know more than you about singing but unfortunately I have no videos about how much better I am, how would I even prove how better I am than a female operatic singer? All I'm saying is that powerful voices should never have 3-4 backing vocals and several different effects applied just to make the impression that the voice is sorta powerful.
The song isn't bad in any way but all those effects just completely ruins it..
@xxph4nt0mxx Just too make sure you understand, I'm not in anyway saying they're bad. I'm ONLY talking about how the vocal effects are ruining the song. I could promise you this song would probably sound way better without the various vocal unecessary vocal effects.
@shumped and just to make sure you understand that no one really cares what your "opinion" of this song is. If you listen to her demos like I have you would know that this is her voice with maybe a little reverb and and of course they recorded her twice for a damn voice over....every good singer does this. It sounds amazing because of her voice, not in spite of. I dont expect you to understand, your mind is too simple to enjoy the beauty of it.
@xxph4nt0mxx Wow you certainly is an ignorant piece of shit.
"of course they recorded her twice for a damn voice over"
I can hear 4 different voices in there and none of them are pure voiceovers, all of them are different as to give the illusion of a big voice instead of just rerecording the same piece of singing like others actually do. all voices sing different tones and patterns.
and there's certainly NOT just "a little reverb"
your mind seems to be too simple to understand this though.
@shumped "wow you certainly is an ignorant piece of shit." uh, -is +are. Learn your fucking grammar before you insult my intelligence you Scandinavian doucher. Go back to playing your shitty 1.6 and quit trying to tell people what you think you hear. we just dont care. simple enough for you to get through your thick skull?
Love it or hate it, its fucking original. props for that. Yeah its a little complicated to the ear, but if you arent a snob and you give it a chance a listen to the harmonies her voice makes with the other instuments, i think you'll find that its not bad at all.
I hear people complain about death and black Metal about how ''we can't hear what they say'' well I'm sorry,but I can't understand a bloody word she's saying here.
@xxph4nt0mxx it's always the DUMB people that know no other bands and compare to the three bands they know everything else.. very pathetic, but let them, it's only their perception :D
el video me agrada esepto por las cosas de miedo pero me gusta mucho la cancion
dryxiify 1 week ago
This is scary D:
Traigame2cervezas 1 week ago
One thing I've found out about this band they come from italy.
ZetaN7 2 weeks ago
me agrada su cabello
dryxiify 2 weeks ago
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ChavakianDreams 3 weeks ago
204 dislikes... WTF????
ArtemisGrayMoon 3 weeks ago 2
Looks like 201 people were sacrificed to the gods of metal for being Infidels!
TheBrioShow 4 weeks ago
fuck!ng awasome!
roxemXIII 1 month ago 7
I always disliked this kind of bands for not having some REAL opera singing, now I have a winner (: love this girl's voice, its fucking powerful! Even more powerful than JB's voice on The Pick Of Destiny
blastedburrito110 1 month ago 9
@blastedburrito110 Epica was on here first album in the genre Opera Metal... but not so classical we Crysalys.... :)
zombie433 2 weeks ago
@zombie433 maybe i heard the wrong songs from epica, ill check them out ;)
blastedburrito110 2 weeks ago
i think she sings well just too much vibrato...
tiffanyleec 1 month ago 2
мда... своеобразно ) поулыбался )
D100500 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 thank you
orionzeden 1 month ago
It's a good song, but I'm not able to like her voice... It's not bad! I mean... Actually, it's a great voice. But it's so loud! Sound like... Diabolic? Haha! I prefer Diabulus in Musica and Epica.
rodrigomouras 1 month ago
I just became a fan of opera :D
Celldweller567 1 month ago 3
...shes lookin a bit crosseyed...or is it jus me?
good song tho
ViolentWraith 1 month ago
Am I the only that thinks her costume is a bit.. "out there"?
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KStein071890 1 month ago
@dunndudebemelol I dont like all of what nightwish did in their early days, some of their stuff is interesting, others are boring ,(i think angel falls first is an exemple: Tutankhamen is great but the rest isn't). The problem with Crysalis, is that the voice couldn't fit less with the music. Nightwish did a great job switching lead singers i think, because Annette's more 'popy' voice was well worked in the latest albums.
orionzeden 1 month ago
@orionzeden Honestly, I believe the Old Singer for Nightwish was more better than the new one. She had a more beautiful voice and she matched the band. I couldnt stand the new singer.
KStein071890 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Im not sure i understood correctly, but i agree with what i did, which albums do you include ''old school nightwish''?
orionzeden 1 month ago
@orionzeden any with Tarja id assume, (all but dark passion play and imaganarium)
dunndudebemelol 1 month ago in playlist Favorite videos
@orionzeden Basically, before their new singer. Their new one is meh.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 i got that. although i dont know what ''meh'' means.
orionzeden 1 month ago
@orionzeden Meh is sort of "I don't care either way" or "Not really that good, but not really that bad"
The new singer isn't exactly a horrible singer, but she also doesn't really wow me like the original one. She just seems a bit too pop-ish.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
NO
ssssssuperman 1 month ago
This hurts my brain
bike4aday 1 month ago
Symphonic metul <3
XXRiotgirl12 1 month ago 7
queen of hearts on lead vocals
ianisc00lio 1 month ago
the best...
arhanghelu666 1 month ago
i witched to porn when my mom came to my room, easier to explain.
iiwou 1 month ago
@iiwou
u're crazy...:))
arhanghelu666 1 month ago
The composition is fucking awesome, but the vocals are annoying me a bit. :s
ChimeraSeuchenmord 1 month ago
something new... nice :)
pray06 1 month ago
I think this is far too operatic,
FireWalkWithMe91 1 month ago 2
just.... i dont know what to say =D
ciciupipiltin 1 month ago
too much opera in metal doesn't sound great i think. Thats why thats far from being what i prefer of the things ive discovered so far.
orionzeden 1 month ago
@orionzeden Old school nightwish sounded good, but there's too much vibrato or whatever that wobbly voice shit is in this.
I think when that comes in, it gets to be a bit much, much prefer the cleaner operatic vocals.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@WirlWind494 Cleaner means not operatic....that's the point.
bravasmania 1 month ago
@bravasmania I dunno, I've heard opera that is wobbly (like this) and heard some that is clean.
I mean, they still used vibrato in nightwish songs, but it wasn't like non-stop super fast all the goddamn time like this.
This just sounds like she was sitting on a washing machine while she was singing it.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
@bravasmania I guess a more succinct way of putting it is I like vibrato when it's used for added effect, rather than ALWAYS using it.
It's meant to accentuate, not drive you insane with overuse.
WirlWind494 1 month ago
WHAT...THE...FUCK...!!!!! I am in that weird part of youtube again, aren't I?!
isnormalityareality 1 month ago
@isnormalityareality No you're not. Besides, that joke stopped being funny a long time ago.
Mandrill 1 month ago
jesus christ, this has got to be the most fucking annoying thing i've heard in along time.
jaysrealm 1 month ago
wtf did i just watch.
Twisterpa1 1 month ago
I gotta say that I really like this song. If you take the time to read the lyrics, you can see why there's so much dissonance in this song. The composition is pretty impressive and unique. The vocals are pretty powerful as well! You can tell that a lot of work went into this and it shows!
Kibikayuki 1 month ago
é tosco isso ae
silenoz81 1 month ago
que horror xd
aikiratoriyama 1 month ago
@AcceleratedDio ageeed
emofreak354 1 month ago
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diones766 1 month ago
I like it a lot, her voice is so powerful and operatic
volunteersimplicity 1 month ago 18
Lol somewhere on earth a mother is hearing this shit coming from her child's room and is regretting not having that abortion
nikkivixen1 1 month ago
I Lol'd so hard hahaha good one :D
Plagiarisme 1 month ago
I'm all for people doing what they love, but this is terrible.
AcceleratedDio 1 month ago
Honestly, I don't think I could enjoy this very well (at all). Sounds like nothing but gothic musical cliches (same with visuals).
JokersKnightOut 1 month ago
@JokersKnightOut MASSIVE CLEAVAGE AND RED HAIR ALWAYS WORKS
This song is absolutely disgusting. 500 effects on the voice, doesn't sound good at all and will sound absolutely terrible live. Can't they just skip all the effects? It's not like she's a bad singer. looking at earlier songs from them without all this garbage attached to it you'll find an actual good song.
shumped 1 month ago
@shumped Meh. All I got to say according to my own personal music taste. And I'm sticking to it.
JokersKnightOut 1 month ago
Gothic paramore? o.o With a slight bit of opera o:
diamoreexy 1 month ago 2
She is talented... but her body is better than her voice in my opinion.
Cybersoulhacker 1 month ago
this is nothing but a gimmick.....opera and keyboards over simple hardcore riffs, coupled with over produced garbage production.....chick is attractive but nothing fancy, guys are dressed cliche, and did i mention that the song structure is crap? this is an abomination. women have become a cheap trick in 'extreme' genres of music. ya know, i listened to Arch Enemy years ago before diving deeper into metal, and i still enjoy Angela's vocals and the Amott brothers' leads, but this is just trash.
tooljoker197 1 month ago
@vectorcalc nice! lol
Elvira7X6661 1 month ago
Video kinda sucks, Music Rocks.
chochomiak 1 month ago
._. #$&%$/&$//!!
VampireAnnyLovesong 1 month ago
wat?
LittlemiZZroit 1 month ago
Aw, too much vibrato for my ears...
Wraithlord88 1 month ago
i think she uses too much tremolo in her voice...but its epic!
NidhoeggrLeadGuitar 1 month ago
Wow. The only thing epic about this is the amount of suck. This is terrible. Oh yeah, nice living room.
thebrainfart1 1 month ago
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ScottySolace 1 month ago
@thebrainfart1 Fag.
Mr6Into6Eternity6 1 month ago
@Mr6Into6Eternity6 Ah, a man of many words. How nice. I'm sure you're in the band right?
thebrainfart1 1 month ago
@thebrainfart1
No, actually, I'm not. Sure, it might not be the best music out there, but what I'm tired of is how people such as you seem to think that it is the best thing in the world to relentlessly criticize people such as this band for their hard work. Just because it doesn't fit your worthless little shitlist of enjoyment doesn't mean that they aren't good at what they do. Maybe that's the sound they wanted to achieve. That alone makes them good. Commitment to doing what they love.
Mr6Into6Eternity6 1 month ago
kkkkkkkkkk o comercial com a musiquinha do telo não combinou nen fudendo... não adianta, essas musicas nunca combinaram pra isso --'
TheJeanDark 1 month ago
I know why I clicked this video...and so do you.
SexRobotOfDoom 1 month ago
@SexRobotOfDoom Yeah, she had a nice set of tits. Too bad she cant sing for shit. Such a decieving package. Did I mention, nice tits?
WingZero75 1 month ago
@WingZero75 err...bingo ;D
SexRobotOfDoom 1 month ago
@WingZero75 You're a loser.
Mr6Into6Eternity6 1 month ago
@Mr6Into6Eternity6 Eh, Ive been called worse by my mother.
WingZero75 1 month ago
@WingZero75
As I'm sure you have. But even such a petty insult as that is all I find worthy of such worthless rabble.
Mr6Into6Eternity6 1 month ago
Amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!! This Is A Music For Me YEahhhhhhhhhhh
KatrinValo398 1 month ago 2
kann mich nicht entscheiden ob ich ihre stimme liebe oder hasse
1Ebrithil 1 month ago
hahahahha lol
yyzcityofangels 1 month ago
I think they were pushing the operatic angle a bit too hard in this song, but it still worked. Sounds sort of derivative of Therion to me, but I still like this a lot.
darthy0da 1 month ago 3
@darthy0da I love how hard they pushed it. Most bands seem to be afraid of doing it, but I reckon it sounds great.
0verk1ll 1 month ago
I do not really like her, She makes me feel like I am in an old horrormovie..
MsSophiele 1 month ago
LOL
tangeska 1 month ago
so epic worste F****N metal song in the world
7StarsFromTheMoOn 1 month ago
Opera Core!
systemlik 1 month ago 19
too much vibrato :S
dariolord 1 month ago
Kinda Gothic...o__o
MultiMisskaulitz 1 month ago
guys your music is amazing, i've never heard a voice that powerfull in my life!!! congratulations, excellent job ;)
willemijnholland27 1 month ago in playlist Más vídeos de CRYchannelOfficial 3
me gusta el primer estilo de vestir pero el segundo de labios oscuros es orrible!!!
NiickaBeenningtoon 1 month ago
@NiickaBeenningtoon cierto q es esa %#"$&% de imagen y vestuario
pomares316 1 month ago
pretty much sounds like rock o-por-a (how ever you spell it o3o) o:
ShinyLunaToneLover 1 month ago
love her hair love her voce love her out fit
rambowsea 1 month ago in playlist gothic music or hard rock
she has great voice *.* but i dont like sooo much trash ;/ why not doom?
but i find next female vocalist who i like :)
pollyannLintu 1 month ago
eine TÜRKIN hat das rockige in ihr entdecktXD
23qMarabel 1 month ago
Thrash metal... with a soprano vocalist. I have now found the perfect way to annoy my brother.
vectorcalc 1 month ago 2
@vectorcalc Thrash metal...?
MoonlightFlowersfans 1 month ago
@MoonlightFlowersfans yea, thrash metal. do you know anything about guitar technics? that´s a tipical picking of thrash. the brakdowns are like slayer, exodus.
HENRYxSICK 1 month ago
@HENRYxSICK No, I don't. But I'm able to recognize them in a song, as I did later paying closer attention.
MoonlightFlowersfans 1 month ago
@vectorcalc LOL now I paid attention to the guitar, some parts do sound thrash
MoonlightFlowersfans 1 month ago
Its kind of interesting. I think I might like it if I hear some more.
modplugrad 1 month ago
la base musicale è bella ma la voce è troppo lirica... non si riesce a capire quello che canta :/ comunque bravi
balubba93 1 month ago
they're ok... I'm a huge symphonic metal fan, but I found this a little annoying.
Quaguy 1 month ago
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This band's Vocal is very impressive.
ExctToU 1 month ago
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This type of band of a "hot" chick that can sing opera and a bunch of random guys hiding their lack of musical tallent behind tons of orchestras and that are cheap copies of nigthwish/within temptation are REALLY boring.
franvi77 2 months ago
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thats fucking annoying
1126thegman 2 months ago
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This is shit....
How can she sing this song in a concert? Clon of herself? xDDDD
kingarthas83 2 months ago
i just came here cuz i saw tits.
joedirte4820 2 months ago
A pousse ben trop fort ça même pas d'ostie d'allure!
brossmart 2 months ago
O... M... G... o.o This is incredible! =D
GothicNightmare66 2 months ago 3
@DarkLord0fHell fyi, i play CS:S, you can just ask your mom since shes under my desk.
xxph4nt0mxx 2 months ago
Christooo :D gradiiiiii ^_^ bel pezzo, fa paura, complimenti :)
balubba93 3 months ago
@DarkLord0fHell I know, your mom can be so loud sometimes... guess i shouldnt put it so deep in her butt.
xxph4nt0mxx 3 months ago
And people think grind core growlers is impossible to hear what they sing... I only recognize a few words from the entire "operatic" part :O
But it's a great song and album!
lillhornta 3 months ago
Is it the same lady doing both vocal parts?
arimurik 3 months ago
@arimurik Absolutely YES!
bravasmania 3 months ago
@bravasmania Awesome!
arimurik 3 months ago
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my speakers just blew
DevisCraven 3 months ago
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emanuelelgr 3 months ago
Awesome boobs!! Lol
Xis6Xis6Xis6 3 months ago
Waoooooooooooooooh ! *.*
LalwendeBouh 3 months ago
die
TheGouch68 3 months ago
Nothing new... boring intonation, boring voice, boring girl... of course her hair ist red, of course she sings in "opera-style" of course you'll find heavy guitars...
SonOfAnnwn 3 months ago
@SonOfAnnwn Also of course they put 50 thousand effects on her voice to make her seem like a good singer.
fuck all of this shit.
shumped 3 months ago
@shumped hahaha. What a ridiculous comment.
straisand1 3 months ago
This song is awesome! She has great and powerful voice! ♥
FrozenMermaid666 3 months ago 2
soo a powerfull great voice, im glad i found them, i have to say, makes other metal female voices sound like lady gaga's bad shit.
lookvlad 3 months ago 10
@lookvlad it's not a powerful voice, it's just five thousand effects and voice overs used to make it seem like she has a good voice. this is terrible singing.
shumped 3 months ago
@shumped cause you're totally an expert on singing right? you got all these videos about how much better you are right?
xxph4nt0mxx 3 months ago
@xxph4nt0mxx It appears I know more than you about singing but unfortunately I have no videos about how much better I am, how would I even prove how better I am than a female operatic singer? All I'm saying is that powerful voices should never have 3-4 backing vocals and several different effects applied just to make the impression that the voice is sorta powerful.
The song isn't bad in any way but all those effects just completely ruins it..
shumped 3 months ago
@xxph4nt0mxx Just too make sure you understand, I'm not in anyway saying they're bad. I'm ONLY talking about how the vocal effects are ruining the song. I could promise you this song would probably sound way better without the various vocal unecessary vocal effects.
shumped 3 months ago
@shumped and just to make sure you understand that no one really cares what your "opinion" of this song is. If you listen to her demos like I have you would know that this is her voice with maybe a little reverb and and of course they recorded her twice for a damn voice over....every good singer does this. It sounds amazing because of her voice, not in spite of. I dont expect you to understand, your mind is too simple to enjoy the beauty of it.
xxph4nt0mxx 3 months ago 2
@xxph4nt0mxx Wow you certainly is an ignorant piece of shit.
"of course they recorded her twice for a damn voice over"
I can hear 4 different voices in there and none of them are pure voiceovers, all of them are different as to give the illusion of a big voice instead of just rerecording the same piece of singing like others actually do. all voices sing different tones and patterns.
and there's certainly NOT just "a little reverb"
your mind seems to be too simple to understand this though.
shumped 3 months ago
@shumped "wow you certainly is an ignorant piece of shit." uh, -is +are. Learn your fucking grammar before you insult my intelligence you Scandinavian doucher. Go back to playing your shitty 1.6 and quit trying to tell people what you think you hear. we just dont care. simple enough for you to get through your thick skull?
xxph4nt0mxx 3 months ago
@lookvlad i think you never heard about Doro Pesch or Tarja Turunen
1Ebrithil 1 month ago
Хороший звук. Но смотреть страшно...
Zalntar 3 months ago
Hey check I Magnified out!
eddieboy1234 3 months ago
My ears are crying.
JayordanC 3 months ago
These guys could do Amazing Video Game sound tracks! Nuts!
GEORDANROWLEY 3 months ago
muy linda la música pero le podrían haber pagado un par de clases de actuación a la pibita
paloot7 3 months ago
Did i just get raped?
joshiwabo 3 months ago
que impresionante la voz de la mina
aqueldespertar 3 months ago
Love it or hate it, its fucking original. props for that. Yeah its a little complicated to the ear, but if you arent a snob and you give it a chance a listen to the harmonies her voice makes with the other instuments, i think you'll find that its not bad at all.
xxph4nt0mxx 3 months ago
Why are they playing in an apartment?
Parabellum13X 3 months ago
Great voice!!!!!!!
Poppaea6 3 months ago 4
WTF??
SarahkateIreland 3 months ago 2
THIS IS AMAZING
my respect, I always wanted to sing like this because I hear some bands with great music and ideas, but the vocalist doesn't have a huge gift...
this woman has, all they do here
CONGRATS!
KriBlackRoson 4 months ago
I hear people complain about death and black Metal about how ''we can't hear what they say'' well I'm sorry,but I can't understand a bloody word she's saying here.
Reinkaos819 4 months ago
I do :)
KriBlackRoson 4 months ago
Must say that i hawe not heard anything like that...
And i hawe listen to much in that genre before.
sheep1ewe 4 months ago 3
@sheep1ewe I agree, they are different... And I like that
eeebynls 4 months ago
shit im afraid of this song
hansmys 4 months ago
awesome :)
elofan0 4 months ago
Good Sound I love that
MFSTITCH 4 months ago
I have never before heard any metal like this... Her voice is amazing! Mind. Blown!
dramamasks 4 months ago 2
Grandissimi ragazzi °_°
porca vacca, sono rimasta a bocca aperta!
Spero di poter realizzare presto un lavoro ispirandomi a questa canzone..intanto vi condivido su Facebook, e vi farò anche pubblicità su Deviant Art!
ArwenUndomiel87 4 months ago 3
This is awful.
pepithepirate 4 months ago
@pepithepirate you are awful
eeebynls 4 months ago
BOOBS (. )( .)
VideoRoom207 4 months ago
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VideoRoom207 4 months ago
yea Tarja sucks penus
1327erico 4 months ago
she is buitifull!!
1327erico 4 months ago 3
Quit fucking comparing her to tarja assholes. Its apples to oranges.
xxph4nt0mxx 4 months ago 16
@xxph4nt0mxx it's always the DUMB people that know no other bands and compare to the three bands they know everything else.. very pathetic, but let them, it's only their perception :D
loomysh 3 months ago
@xxph4nt0mxx Or brunettes to oranges, as the case may be. :D
Zaothus 1 month ago
@Zaothus har har har lol
xxph4nt0mxx 1 month ago
wow Tarja finnaly has compition, never did i think I would see the day.
CWA12 4 months ago
JUST PERFECT!!!!!!
Tosoea 4 months ago 2
cool video
Pixiebabe 4 months ago 3
I didnt see this coming
MARTYRxDEFILED 4 months ago