This is absolutely cool. I hope it catches on. This reminds me of a Janko keyboard type format. I play a stringed harp inspired by a similar pattern. The cross strung chromatic harp. I wonder WHY we didn't just use this system to play a long time ago? To me it just makes sense.
Does this keyboard have all of the same notes as a traditional? Meaning, could one just re-arrange the keys on their old vibes to try this? (I realize the resonators wouldn't be right). I'd love to try this out. What note do you start with @ bottom, and is it arbitrary?
Yes it has all the same notes. But you can't just rearrange vibes bars. If you rearrange them, the holes for the cords don't line up. Mine was custom built by Nico vanderPlas, from Eb and up three octaves to F, because I wanted to have a flatted 7th available below the F for F dom7 chords. The coloring I use starts with a red Eb, a white E, and a black F, and continues in that rotation all the way up, and I hope you will stick to that as others who are trying my layout have.
Tricolouring is an interesting concept, I can see that it could be useful. I'm working on a chromatic colouring as well, maybe I will incorporate these ideas into it. I'll let you know.
Your instrument is really pretty and neat, but it's hard to tell which notes you're hitting in real time. Maybe next time you could film it from a different angle, or make marks/signs in your video editing software.
By all means, try the trichromatic coloring. Be aware that I have patented it, and will appreciate attribution. If you intend commercial use, lets talk. Thanks.
I play bilinear chromatic keyboard, which has traditional colours to identify notes. Personallly, I think it keeps it familiar to musicians and its easy to override it mentally too.
I'd like to hear what you are doing. Do you have anything posted? The thing about my TriChromatic keyboard is that it makes it much easier to access a harmonic method that makes some really wonderful music. It's quite a powerful method and I am currently trying to document the breadth of what it can do.
This is freaking brilliant. This cancels out the 'having to learn the same chord in 12 different shapes' concept. !!! That by itself is awesome. It's a little like guitar, how you can take one chord shape and just move the whole thing up to a new root without having to learn a new shape (given that you're on the same string). This is so great though. I have a question though. What interval is the "odd note" in the major scale that he plays at 4:35-4:46? Like flat 5, sharp 2, etc. I wanna know!
The new note in the Maj6thDiminished scale is the sharp 5 or flat 6. It comes from the diminished chord that goes with the Maj6th chord. For F, the Maj6th chord is FMaj6th: F, A, C, D and the diminished chord that goes with that is G, Bb, Db, E. Put them together and you get the F Maj6thDiminished scale: F, G, A, Bb, C, Db, D, E, F. You can search for Barry Harris here on YouTube for some of his masterclass videos.
Good idea! But it seems to me that such an arrangement of keys is only good for jazz music, because in jazz we have to think by the chord progressions. I can not imagine how it will be performed for polyphonic music, for example, four-voice fugue on the instrument.
Hi c33r0k33, thanks much. I've heard of a harp like that, and I'm looking forward to trying one someday!
RoyPertchik 1 month ago
Roy,
This is absolutely cool. I hope it catches on. This reminds me of a Janko keyboard type format. I play a stringed harp inspired by a similar pattern. The cross strung chromatic harp. I wonder WHY we didn't just use this system to play a long time ago? To me it just makes sense.
c33r0k33 1 month ago
I met you and heard you play this thing at burning man! Thank you for sharing your beautiful sounds with us!
nbenmargi 1 year ago
@nbenmargi
Cool! Thanks for stopping by, there, and here :-) I'm in Oakland, CA now. I'll try to go to BM again this year, if I'm still in the west :-)
Cheers
Roypert 1 year ago
Does this keyboard have all of the same notes as a traditional? Meaning, could one just re-arrange the keys on their old vibes to try this? (I realize the resonators wouldn't be right). I'd love to try this out. What note do you start with @ bottom, and is it arbitrary?
cedevitt 1 year ago
Yes it has all the same notes. But you can't just rearrange vibes bars. If you rearrange them, the holes for the cords don't line up. Mine was custom built by Nico vanderPlas, from Eb and up three octaves to F, because I wanted to have a flatted 7th available below the F for F dom7 chords. The coloring I use starts with a red Eb, a white E, and a black F, and continues in that rotation all the way up, and I hope you will stick to that as others who are trying my layout have.
Roypert 1 year ago
Tricolouring is an interesting concept, I can see that it could be useful. I'm working on a chromatic colouring as well, maybe I will incorporate these ideas into it. I'll let you know.
Your instrument is really pretty and neat, but it's hard to tell which notes you're hitting in real time. Maybe next time you could film it from a different angle, or make marks/signs in your video editing software.
Sawa137 2 years ago
By all means, try the trichromatic coloring. Be aware that I have patented it, and will appreciate attribution. If you intend commercial use, lets talk. Thanks.
Roypert 2 years ago
I play bilinear chromatic keyboard, which has traditional colours to identify notes. Personallly, I think it keeps it familiar to musicians and its easy to override it mentally too.
spectralmusic 2 years ago
I'd like to hear what you are doing. Do you have anything posted? The thing about my TriChromatic keyboard is that it makes it much easier to access a harmonic method that makes some really wonderful music. It's quite a powerful method and I am currently trying to document the breadth of what it can do.
Roypert 2 years ago
I'm looking up Barry Harris now :]
BlikeNave 2 years ago
This is freaking brilliant. This cancels out the 'having to learn the same chord in 12 different shapes' concept. !!! That by itself is awesome. It's a little like guitar, how you can take one chord shape and just move the whole thing up to a new root without having to learn a new shape (given that you're on the same string). This is so great though. I have a question though. What interval is the "odd note" in the major scale that he plays at 4:35-4:46? Like flat 5, sharp 2, etc. I wanna know!
BlikeNave 2 years ago
Hi Blike,
The new note in the Maj6thDiminished scale is the sharp 5 or flat 6. It comes from the diminished chord that goes with the Maj6th chord. For F, the Maj6th chord is FMaj6th: F, A, C, D and the diminished chord that goes with that is G, Bb, Db, E. Put them together and you get the F Maj6thDiminished scale: F, G, A, Bb, C, Db, D, E, F. You can search for Barry Harris here on YouTube for some of his masterclass videos.
Roypert 2 years ago
nice presentation too!
DaleSchultz 2 years ago
Hi Dale, Thanks :-)
Roypert 2 years ago
Good idea! But it seems to me that such an arrangement of keys is only good for jazz music, because in jazz we have to think by the chord progressions. I can not imagine how it will be performed for polyphonic music, for example, four-voice fugue on the instrument.
yanych 2 years ago
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brettbrettbrett87234 2 years ago
You compare the early music from old snizz! So you wanna be a wise guy, huh? :)
yanych 2 years ago
You are calling this guy a snizz - ? What for want to make english talky wordses? For the right, yeah? Waa!
I like you!
brettbrettbrett87234 2 years ago
Your talent to remove your own comments worthy of admiration. As well as your musical education too. Congratulation!
yanych 2 years ago