Europe is becoming a big Inquisited box where when you say something which is not liked by the living establishment you get thrown in jail, deprived of all your personal stuff and humiliated publicly by the first idiot of the day. To hell with this kind of establishment and who is so totally brainwashed at the point where he/she can't see where the liberty of speech starts and never ends. What kind of democracy we are living in? It is just a dictatorship of the better not knowing.
Read his emails yet? You may say he isn't a holocaust denier, but you cannot deny that he's a racist and perhaps upset mentally. To hell with this man.
I disagree, and am certain he is not "upset mentally". I'm halfway through another of his books (Goebbels - Mastermind of the Third Reich), and there are some very complimentary reviews, on the back cover, from people far more knowledgeable than me (and probably you). E.g., "David Irving, a remarkable researcher, a brilliant discoverer of documents, and a skillful writer, tells the story well". - Hugh Trevor-Roper, in the Sunday Telegraph. I've run out of characters, otherwise I wo
It is funny that my comrade Irving was giving a speech in favor of the free speech, and was interrupted to direct him not not get on with the line of thought he was on, and he complied.
the WW2 holocaust claims are Godsent because they make it crystal clear to everyone just how mentally disturbed are the jews to have perpetrated such an abusive fraud in order to annex Palestine and get their revenge on the Germans for deporting nearly all of them from central europe during the seven years previous to WW2. America and England and the USSR co-sponsored the shameful holocaust lies because they needed to justify their sustained military occupation of Germany following the war.
I can't wait for his "Himmler" biography. I'm sure there'll be plenty of interesting facts that no has dared to publish yet but hopefully he will reference his sources to a larger extent than he did in his "Hitler" biography.
Irving is only a partial revisionist. He accepts that millions died, killed by the Einsatzgruppen and in the Reinhardt camps. He thinks the role of Auschwitz is exaggerated.
Personally I find the Heath Robinson picture painted of the R. camps hard to reconcile with planned industrialised murder by a technologically advanced state. I don't see how they could have killed and disposed of the numbers claimed.
Well, if it wasn't intended to be, it could have been expressed differently. Sounded a bit knuckle-dragging, frankly.
A high proportion of the early Bolshevik leadership were Jewish, (though the Soviet regime turned anti-semitic later on). A historical fact, but I don't see why it has any particular relevance to Jews in 2009.
we germans paid a minimum of 65 billion euro to the state of israel
interesting everyone can freely talk about "evil" hitler but when one dares to investigate about Tscheka,NKVD,the massacers in Latvia and Poland of innocent civillians by the Bolshevik Jews
then watch out !
the point is not whether todays jews can be held responsible
but they (as a state of jews/israel) have a collective and moral obligation ! but they refuse to address these topics !
The point that only Jews and the state of Israel get reparations for the 2nd World War is a defensible one. I agree with David Irving that the real crime is "innocenticide" and that the real Holocaust was the war as a whole.
so you belive a state that harbours known war criminals including ex-bolsheviks psychopaths and massmurders like solomon morel (and refuses to extradite them) deserves war reparations ?
most gulags where under jewish supervision with an estimated death toll 20 mio !
I do find ironic:"...as the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in bad health". Doesn't seem the same excuse is allowed for Demanjuk.
Brittan said: The whole process of historiography is one of revision, not only because new facts and documents come to light, but also because even established facts can be reassessed and reinterpreted, for one generation rarely sees events through the perspective of another.
He continued: To demand laws that the received wisdom surrounding the Holocaust should forever be insulated from the process goes against every dictate of reason. Such laws are wrong in principle and are ineffective and possibly harmful in practice .
Irving's position is that the Holocaust was 3 million instead of 6, and that it occurred in the Aktion Reinhardt camps, not at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Since he accepts a substantial part of the Holocaust story he is strictly speaking a revisionist and not a denier, since "denial" denotes wholesale rejection.
Not of course as far as the press is concerned. Any revision is 'denial' which is rather odd since the official story has been revised so much since the 1950s.
Thank you very much for putting those subtitles, a nice effort that allows people like me - being a Frenchman - to understand what is being said. For non born anglophone it would be too much of a challenge otherwise.
A fine speech, and the endless anti-occidental roar in the background really makes it splendid.
They're not quite there with freedom of speech at the Oxford Union either. The protesters were allowed too close to where the speech took place. They are annoying and I probably would not have understood what Irving said if it were not for the subtitles. Undoubtedly that was the protesters intent. I also suspect some of the people that attended the speech felt threatened by the idiots outside.
This is how it works. You label any one who wants to take a normal historical approach and freely examine the evidence a "hater". You physically beat them up, set fire to their premises and destroy their careers. You get laws passed to send them to jail. Then surprise, most people who aren't actually haters and don't want to get that label steer clear, and leave the field to people of doubtful political allegiance.
(cont) Irving is borderline the latter. He is certainly no Nazi. But either way he is an extraordinarily painstaking historian, and a defender of free thought. If you go beyond the ad hominems, you find that a lot of the holocaust story is not at all clearly evidenced. That is not to say "it didn't happen". It is to say we should examine objectively exactly _what_ happened. We are banned from doing this by the Holocaust Industry (Not my phrase -- Norman Finkestein's -- a Jewish professor).
I said "a lot of the holocaust story is not at all clearly evidenced". I did not say it was a lie. That is one helluva jump and I'm not going there. I want open debate, as on anything else. Mainstream historians are at least as adversarial and agenda-driven as revisionists. And no one can openly challenge them. Perfectly reasonable doubts are treated as if they came from Stormfront or the Ku Klux Klan, and access to websites banned or placed under taboo..
When I said I supported Irving, I was referring to his fight for open debate, and the unjustified slurs on his history writing. I do not in any way support his racist attitudes, which i have just seen on a video of an address by him to a meeting of the New Right quasi-fascist group.
If you have doubts and those doubts are proven under a fair scrutiny as you and I seek,then it is a Lie to put it bluntly,no matter the real figure,6 million,or 3 or 2 million or whatever--The whole holocaust 'guilt' industry works around the mythical 6 million 'Talmud predicted' figure.Prove that wrong and the whole zionist house comes crashing down instantly--Let us not play games.you either go all the way or stay away-for the end result will shatter all todays myths and open everyones eyes.
You refer to an "engineered lie". I think you need some pretty strong evidence for that,. I think it's a complicated mix of propaganda and reality, reinforced by the horrific conditions in found in Belsen etc. (I do know the real reasons) which were then used in de-nazification propaganda, and to deflect attention from our own and the Soviets' atrocities.
I don't know how much is true or isn't. I do know that revisionists present a strong case. (continued)
Europe is becoming a big Inquisited box where when you say something which is not liked by the living establishment you get thrown in jail, deprived of all your personal stuff and humiliated publicly by the first idiot of the day. To hell with this kind of establishment and who is so totally brainwashed at the point where he/she can't see where the liberty of speech starts and never ends. What kind of democracy we are living in? It is just a dictatorship of the better not knowing.
beyondtruthagain 4 months ago
Read his emails yet? You may say he isn't a holocaust denier, but you cannot deny that he's a racist and perhaps upset mentally. To hell with this man.
mickomac 9 months ago
@mickomac
I disagree, and am certain he is not "upset mentally". I'm halfway through another of his books (Goebbels - Mastermind of the Third Reich), and there are some very complimentary reviews, on the back cover, from people far more knowledgeable than me (and probably you). E.g., "David Irving, a remarkable researcher, a brilliant discoverer of documents, and a skillful writer, tells the story well". - Hugh Trevor-Roper, in the Sunday Telegraph. I've run out of characters, otherwise I wo
catleugh 9 months ago
david irving - legend. shame there is no q + a.
charlesobama 1 year ago
it seems David Irving became another 'Galileo Galilei' of the 21st century. the truth will be enlightened how much time would cost :D
IloveUSA1941 1 year ago
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IloveUSA1941 1 year ago
Hail comrade,
It is funny that my comrade Irving was giving a speech in favor of the free speech, and was interrupted to direct him not not get on with the line of thought he was on, and he complied.
Sieg Heil!
11Mbanderafalsa 1 year ago
the WW2 holocaust claims are Godsent because they make it crystal clear to everyone just how mentally disturbed are the jews to have perpetrated such an abusive fraud in order to annex Palestine and get their revenge on the Germans for deporting nearly all of them from central europe during the seven years previous to WW2. America and England and the USSR co-sponsored the shameful holocaust lies because they needed to justify their sustained military occupation of Germany following the war.
NoGoodThingEverDies 1 year ago
I can't wait for his "Himmler" biography. I'm sure there'll be plenty of interesting facts that no has dared to publish yet but hopefully he will reference his sources to a larger extent than he did in his "Hitler" biography.
Loyalbrox 2 years ago 2
Irving is only a partial revisionist. He accepts that millions died, killed by the Einsatzgruppen and in the Reinhardt camps. He thinks the role of Auschwitz is exaggerated.
Personally I find the Heath Robinson picture painted of the R. camps hard to reconcile with planned industrialised murder by a technologically advanced state. I don't see how they could have killed and disposed of the numbers claimed.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
I got all of your comment,thanks. Apart from the definition of the word 'LIES' you and I are on the same side,rest assured.
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago
Got Owned .......
Rodnox 2 years ago
???
catleugh 2 years ago
IMHO jews have a problem with irving bcoz hes simultanioulsy exposing bolshevik jews in his speeches
(and as we know the bolshies killed like 10 times more civilians than hitler did)
rogvr781 2 years ago
@rogvr781
Keep your unpleasant antisemitism out of this.
I support Irving and I want free debate on the holocaust.
Do you know who stopped the EU introducing "Holocaust Denial" laws? It was Michael Howard, a Jew.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
@rhubarbpies
can you tell me WHAT exactly was antisemitec in my 2 sentences ?
rogvr781 2 years ago
Well, if it wasn't intended to be, it could have been expressed differently. Sounded a bit knuckle-dragging, frankly.
A high proportion of the early Bolshevik leadership were Jewish, (though the Soviet regime turned anti-semitic later on). A historical fact, but I don't see why it has any particular relevance to Jews in 2009.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
you mean stalin eliminated the jews who wanted to kill him ? I dont think thats antisemitic.
why it has any relevance ? Mr kaganovich an his other jewish henchmen alone starved 6 million ukrainians to death prior to WW2
yet the jewish community is more interested in labeling everyone as an antisemite instead of admiting their own guilt.
rogvr781 2 years ago
Today's Jews are no more responsible for the Holomodor than today's Germans are for the Holocaust.
Count me out.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
well theres a "tiny" difference
we germans paid a minimum of 65 billion euro to the state of israel
interesting everyone can freely talk about "evil" hitler but when one dares to investigate about Tscheka,NKVD,the massacers in Latvia and Poland of innocent civillians by the Bolshevik Jews
then watch out !
the point is not whether todays jews can be held responsible
but they (as a state of jews/israel) have a collective and moral obligation ! but they refuse to address these topics !
rogvr781 2 years ago
The point that only Jews and the state of Israel get reparations for the 2nd World War is a defensible one. I agree with David Irving that the real crime is "innocenticide" and that the real Holocaust was the war as a whole.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
so you belive a state that harbours known war criminals including ex-bolsheviks psychopaths and massmurders like solomon morel (and refuses to extradite them) deserves war reparations ?
most gulags where under jewish supervision with an estimated death toll 20 mio !
rogvr781 2 years ago
You misunderstood me. I meant that your point was a defensible one.
I know nothing about Morel. Don't tell me about him, as its OT. I'll probably google him.
I know Israel won't extradite any Jew. I understand their reasons, but I don't agree with them.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
Actually I just looked up Morel in Wiki.
I do find ironic:"...as the statute of limitations against Morel had run out, and that Morel was in bad health". Doesn't seem the same excuse is allowed for Demanjuk.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago 2
Morel was a psychopath he tortured most people to death
but he wasnt the only one many jews from Tscheka imigrated later to israel never got even charged for their crimes
ps wiki is goog enough for checking up birthdates and so on a lot of the political topics are edited by the CIA
rogvr781 2 years ago
As Irving stated in the above video
catleugh 2 years ago
Indeed. I only realised afterwards that was where I got it from.
He was supported by Leon Brttan, European Commissioner and also Jewish.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
Brittan said: The whole process of historiography is one of revision, not only because new facts and documents come to light, but also because even established facts can be reassessed and reinterpreted, for one generation rarely sees events through the perspective of another.
[cont]
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
He continued: To demand laws that the received wisdom surrounding the Holocaust should forever be insulated from the process goes against every dictate of reason. Such laws are wrong in principle and are ineffective and possibly harmful in practice .
Kudos Leon!
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
Note that Irving is always described by the press as a 'Holocaust denier'. Yet he is not saying anything of the sort here.
KeePractising 2 years ago 7
Irving's position is that the Holocaust was 3 million instead of 6, and that it occurred in the Aktion Reinhardt camps, not at Auschwitz-Birkenau. Since he accepts a substantial part of the Holocaust story he is strictly speaking a revisionist and not a denier, since "denial" denotes wholesale rejection.
Germanicus666 2 years ago 8
Not of course as far as the press is concerned. Any revision is 'denial' which is rather odd since the official story has been revised so much since the 1950s.
KeePractising 2 years ago 4
Thank you very much for putting those subtitles, a nice effort that allows people like me - being a Frenchman - to understand what is being said. For non born anglophone it would be too much of a challenge otherwise.
A fine speech, and the endless anti-occidental roar in the background really makes it splendid.
lOmnivoreSobriquet 2 years ago 3
They're not quite there with freedom of speech at the Oxford Union either. The protesters were allowed too close to where the speech took place. They are annoying and I probably would not have understood what Irving said if it were not for the subtitles. Undoubtedly that was the protesters intent. I also suspect some of the people that attended the speech felt threatened by the idiots outside.
pgg804a 2 years ago 5
Usual socialist liberal scum shouting outside.
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago
@ricsibacsi1956
How to win friends and influence people!
I'm a liberal with socialist sympathies and I support Irving.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
Then congratulations-you are not the usual!
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago
This is how it works. You label any one who wants to take a normal historical approach and freely examine the evidence a "hater". You physically beat them up, set fire to their premises and destroy their careers. You get laws passed to send them to jail. Then surprise, most people who aren't actually haters and don't want to get that label steer clear, and leave the field to people of doubtful political allegiance.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
(cont) Irving is borderline the latter. He is certainly no Nazi. But either way he is an extraordinarily painstaking historian, and a defender of free thought. If you go beyond the ad hominems, you find that a lot of the holocaust story is not at all clearly evidenced. That is not to say "it didn't happen". It is to say we should examine objectively exactly _what_ happened. We are banned from doing this by the Holocaust Industry (Not my phrase -- Norman Finkestein's -- a Jewish professor).
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
I could not agree witj you more!
Many questions need to be answered once and for all,but never will be.
To quote a great blogger 'smoking mirrors'--
'We need no greater proof that they have engineered one of the biggest lies ever seen than to witness how ruthlessly inquiry is suppressed'
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago
I said "a lot of the holocaust story is not at all clearly evidenced". I did not say it was a lie. That is one helluva jump and I'm not going there. I want open debate, as on anything else. Mainstream historians are at least as adversarial and agenda-driven as revisionists. And no one can openly challenge them. Perfectly reasonable doubts are treated as if they came from Stormfront or the Ku Klux Klan, and access to websites banned or placed under taboo..
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
When I said I supported Irving, I was referring to his fight for open debate, and the unjustified slurs on his history writing. I do not in any way support his racist attitudes, which i have just seen on a video of an address by him to a meeting of the New Right quasi-fascist group.
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
If you have doubts and those doubts are proven under a fair scrutiny as you and I seek,then it is a Lie to put it bluntly,no matter the real figure,6 million,or 3 or 2 million or whatever--The whole holocaust 'guilt' industry works around the mythical 6 million 'Talmud predicted' figure.Prove that wrong and the whole zionist house comes crashing down instantly--Let us not play games.you either go all the way or stay away-for the end result will shatter all todays myths and open everyones eyes.
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago
You refer to an "engineered lie". I think you need some pretty strong evidence for that,. I think it's a complicated mix of propaganda and reality, reinforced by the horrific conditions in found in Belsen etc. (I do know the real reasons) which were then used in de-nazification propaganda, and to deflect attention from our own and the Soviets' atrocities.
I don't know how much is true or isn't. I do know that revisionists present a strong case. (continued)
rhubarbpies 2 years ago
Awesome video. Thanks!
jtimothycole 2 years ago 3
Run out of characters!!
Just wanted to add that that is why we see a huge effort to destroy careers,families,reputations etc...
By the way I have read ALL of Irvings books and consider him perhaps the most accurate writer out there,unlike Evans .
Thanks for your comments and take care.
ricsibacsi1956 2 years ago