Shiftless Bastards Complete Fixed Gear Build pt. 5 Wheels, Cog, Lockring and Chain

[blackfootkids]

Thanks!

[10047paul]

i,ve just went single speed not fixed

[10047paul]

miles your vids are really helpfull i,ve ditched the gears at least on one bike

[utaisthebest11]

Thanks gents, for this...AND the other vids have helped me with my bike. I don't really have any experience with bikes but I learned a lot with the help of this vid.

Thanks

[ThatsHekkaRandom]

'shizzbombdiggity'

[pbrmeasap88]

quit playing with your bikes long enough to get a haircut and maybe a driver license and an enormous gas guzzling suv

[wardy931]

@pbrmeasap88 eat shit

[pbrmeasap88]

quit playing with your bikes long enough to get a haircut and maybe a driver license and an enormous gas guzzling suv

[bartjoker1]

is that a fixie frame ?

[Hi2Ly]

i have those SECA tires!

[Pawl2]

Are there any solid wheelsets out there for around 150 $ ?

[MorkaGraven]

Why must people use such ugly old frames with rediculous clearances? 27" wheels are outdated and replacing them with 700c's don't really look all that fantastic. It can't be too hard to get a 90's steel framed road bike, I was given one for free.

[bfbarragan]

what do you mean by the wheel isnt "dished" if it doesnt sit right in the middle of the fork? my front wheel isnt exactly in the middle of the fork and im pretty positive my fork isnt bent. i dont know what it could be.

[imtubin1]

you mean amber lamps?

[tommyogtigern]

hey, what kind of spokes so you use?

[xantbeezy123x]

So you can buy a rear wheel pre-fixed? Just buy it and put it in? cuz that's the last prob on my bike!

[ShiftlessBastards]

@xantbeezy123x If i understand your question....yes?!

[DrakeHawton]

I'm buying a single speed road bike and purchased a fixed cog and was wondering if I just tighten the cog and lockring on to the other side of the hub or do I have to take off the single speed cog and replace it with the fixed?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@DrakeHawton You will probably have what is called a flip flop hub, you'll need to put the cog and lockring on the opposite side of the hub as the free wheel.

There will be two sets of threads heading opposite directions

[LxTxSURGE]

how much was that park tool chain braker i want one that wont break quick

[ShiftlessBastards]

@LxTxSURGE I think it retails for $45

[NWforager]

vlog on s3x ? how bout the walmart fixed bikes.. mongoose & genesis . discuss

[DrewPateTV]

I got a surly cog and lockring. Is it a problem if the lock ring hangs over the outside of the hub. It's sitting flush on the cog side, but there's just a bit hang off of the outside.

[ShiftlessBastards]

@DrewPateTV Probably tight, some hub's have different lengths, however, without seeing it, i cannot be sure, if you are unsure as to whether or not it is still tight, take it to your lbs, and get it checked out!

[pnoiBOT]

on the internent the info for the fixie said to flip rear tire for fixed gear

[Gradystyle]

Ive got a wester glyder with 26"x1 3/8 tires. I be able to fit 700c on it or is that a bad idea

[AlWolz]

Where would you recommend buying a complete wheel?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@AlWolz your local bike shop.

It may cost a bit more, but the hub will be properly adjusted, and the wheel will be trued, which is a $40-50 value most places.

In addition, you'll be supporting them. That's in port, in our opinion, because when you really do need help, they will be there.

Remember, the internet won't fix your bike.

[ShiftlessBastards]

@AlWolz probably a bad idea.

[AlWolz]

hgdffh

[AlWolz]

I am new to fixies, and so I started building one on my own. So far, I have the frame, handlebars, and the front chain set all ready and fixed up. But, I have no clue on what to do about the rear wheel with the fixie cog, lockring, etc. So I was wondering what to do next, whether to assemble a rear wheel myself or purchase one?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@AlWolz It will be cheaper to buy a complete wheel.

[sk8skeeskeewee]

what chain would you recommend?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@sk8skeeskeewee any single speed chain.

[vanderspaced]

Bought me a flip-flop hub... set it up fine but after about an hour of riding fixed the lockring started slipping off... I've tightened the cog and lockring a couple of times now but it keeps happening... is this at all normal or should I contact the supplier?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@vanderspaced this is not common. We like to put a little bit of grease on the threads, and then make sure we really torque the cog down, after which we really tighten the lockring. If the cog is still the tiniest bit loose, it will slip. It also depends on the quality of parts you've purchased. If the tolerances are poor, then this will happen.

[SuperTunaface]

I have an old italian road bike. it's made to be used for 27 inch wheels, but, can i fit properly 700c wheels on the frame and fork if i'm not using any brakes?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@SuperTunaface Yes, it should be fine, the dropout spacing may be a little wide.

[dbanderson1]

@ShiftlessBastards will the brakes reach?? I'm also throwing 700s on an old road bike that formerly had 27s. If i need longer reaching brakes is there a brand you recommend?

[ShiftlessBastards]

@dbanderson1 Probably not, but they may. I would RECOMMEND going to your local shop, and asking them there, take your bike in, and if they are worth their salt, they'll measure, and get you something ordered that you want!

[russewing]

I am attempting a fixed conversion of my '87 Fuji Palisade. the spacing of the dropouts is wider than that of a track frame. What do you recommend doing to get the right chain line? Do you have a video that addresses this problem? Thanks for the advice and videos.

[ShiftlessBastards]

@russewing With some conversions the chain will be inherently off, because it was not designed to run that way.

[MarkusRasmussen]

Thanks for these videos dude! I learned more by this, than all that reading. I building my own fixed gear, using a french frame from the early 80's, my first one.

[cerealrulz]

I have my old triumph touring bike which I'm trying to convert to fixie for the lowest possible budget. I've done everything apart from the important stuff (the rear wheel). Will I need to get a new hub and re-build the wheel? And I don't know if it's cassette or freewheel. I assume I'll need to buy a new rear cog, or can I just use one of the gears that was originally on it? By the way this is the clearest method of explaining it I could find on the whole internet :) *****

[ShiftlessBastards]

You will either need to purchase a new wheel or rebuild your back one.

I would recommend buying a new one, unless you are just a glutton for punishment.

To rebuild the back wheel you'll need a new hub (make sure it is the same amount of holes as your rim). You may need new spokes too depending on the size of the flange on your hub. Once you have the wheel rebuilt, you'll need a new cog. No, you CANNOT use one of the gears you already had. You'll need a fixed specific cog and lockring. : )

[cerealrulz]

OK thanks for help, I'm not a 'Gutton for punishment,' but I am a tightwad and I don't like to spend money, so I think I'll go with the rebuilding option. Apparently you can get a flip flop hub for ~£30. Gonna be good :)

[LucasBruhn]

hey is that an animal logo on your leg if so looks awsome man

[ShiftlessBastards]

@LucasBruhn yes sir.

[danielgoneloco]

what wheels are those? they look almost like the ones from the kilo tt

[ShiftlessBastards]

you're exactly right.

[danielgoneloco]

well isn' t that fancy.

im sure im not alone but i love all of your videos, everyone of them is helpful and really well explained!

[GraffSupplyReviews]

i'm doin a conversion with my old bike and the lockring wont fit on the hub, the wheel is a BONTRAGER, what happens if i ride it without the lockring?? SOMEONE HELP!

[ShiftlessBastards]

Is this a track specific hub? If not, there is no place for the lockring, and therefore, it will not fit.

If you ride without a lockring, your sprocket will come unscrewed almost immediately, and you may very well ruin your hub in the process.

[johnstamosassault]

Your cog will eventually thread right off.

[danielgoneloco]

2:08 - 2:12, i think you meant "about as snug as your cog..." :p

[itsleo]

Hey guys quick question im working on a conversion myself, hence im glued to the tube for this whole serious!! How do you determine chain length? just a visual? what if I screw up and push the pin all the way out??

[ShiftlessBastards]

Line it up with your hands, you can typically find a set from the excess and remove the damaged link, and replace.

We will try to get a vid up for that soon!

[willyum236]

is it possible to remove a cassette from a road bike rear wheel and install a fixed cog/lockring on the same rear wheel?

[ShiftlessBastards]

Anything you can do that with, i wouldn't recommend riding.

Best to just buy a new wheel, or buy a hub, and lace it up to your old rim.

[petelikesgirls]

can i just use a normal chain to tighten it instead of using that chain whip?

[ShiftlessBastards]

You probably won't be able to get it tight enough with just a chain. If you don't get everything tight enough, there is a high possibility that you will strip out the threads on your hub.

[millah11]

Helpful Video! Looks like your using the outer chainring on that bike, i have done this on my fixed gear and the chain line/angle ended up being a little bit off and makes a bit of noise. Any way of solving this or should i change the crank to get a chainring on the inside position? Or use a shorter BB?

[ShiftlessBastards]

Make sure that your bottom bracket is the correct length, then if it is still out of whack, you can try swapping your chainring to the other side of the spider!

[NbaRapLover]

i have a question regarding gear ratio and gain. i don't know what's the relationship between the gain number and the gear ratio? i am currently running 44 x 16 with a 170mm cranks...good ol bmx ratio and it feels good enough to climb and whatnot.. what would be the "ideal" gear ratio? as you said you guys run a 46/48 x 18 ratio, what advantage do you have from that? thank you for all the videos that were posted.

[ShiftlessBastards]

we just feel like that is the ideal overall ratio, it allows you to climb, but it also allows you to destroy, if you wanna.

it's so you don't spin out, and you can also conquer those hills.

[tytyboarder]

great vid. BTW, where can i get the cog and lockring.

[thressdev]

how did you line up the rear cog with the teeth on the crank?

also, are hubs all universal size? (im converting a road bike / road bike wheel), meaning any fixed cog/lockring i buy should fit my current hub

just a note of thanks for posting these videos, i had been looking online for information, but no one can write a post as clearly as your videos!

[ShiftlessBastards]

@thressdev

If you have the correct size hub and bottom bracket, they should line up without incident.

If you're still having problems, e-mail us some pictures, and we shouldn't have any problem diagnosing the problem for you!

No hubs are not universal. You will need to either: purchase a track hub and relace it to your current wheel (make sure the flange size is correct and the spoke count is as well) or just purchase a new (or used) rear track wheel.

[travisb99]

Thanks for the video! You guys are awesome and inspiring!

I am converting and old Pugeot into a single speed and I just bought some Weinmann rims with a a rear flip flop hub. I have a question though: which threading is fixed and which is free wheel? They look different.

Also, where can i purchase surley cogs?

Thanks a lot!

[ShiftlessBastards]

yeah, the frame will tighten down the extra 5 mm to the wheel.

[wreckedmots]

i have a vinatge road bike it a 125mm rear axle spacing. will it be ok to use a wheels with 120mm track flip flop.i want to aviod redishing.will the filp flop element of the hub even be usable

[ShiftlessBastards]

1. Thanks, first of all.

2. All of us Bastards run around a 48 x 18 or 46 x 18, which is a 2.67 or 2.56 ratio.

3. You need a whole new hub, probably cheaper after labor and and parts to just buy a new wheel set.

4. You need to buy a track specific cog.

Good luck!

Let us know how it goes!

[seanmurray90]

yo man, lovin ure videos. im thinkin of makin a fixed gear and i have 2 questions. what is a over all comfortable gear ratio? i dont want it 2 be 2 much power or too little. what do u guys this is a happy median?

and can i take apart my old wheel and get a lock ring and make it fixed , or do i have 2 by a whole new hub? srry. noob here.

and i was thnkin , can i use one of the many rear cogs on a 1 speed as the single speed fixed gear cog? or is there major modifications 4 that? im poor.

[ShiftlessBastards]

no sir, sid.

[SuperNaco85]

Nice video! PBR cheers!!

[sid666kurt]

is there a way to do this without the chain whip?

[ShiftlessBastards]

danp,

It is theoretically possible, but you porbably don't want to do this, and here's why:

There is an extreme amount of pressure exerted on on the back hub when riding fixed, and that pressure will more than likely cause that quick release to slip. It may even pull the wheel out of the drop outs, which leads to much death and destruction.

[danp455]

well we wouldnt want that. thanks for potentially saving my skin!

xoxo

danp

[danp455]

im about to start my 1st fixed gear project bike, and your videos should be a great help. lots of use full info. i was wanting to know if its possible to equip a flip flop style hub with a quick release? for ease of flip... or flop, and transportation reasons.

thank you shiftlessbastards!

[willyum236]

your use of the word "snug" is awesome (no sarcasm)

[johngorgis]

i like hey black betty!

[ShiftlessBastards]

Well:

Short Answer: Yes, BUT!!!!!!

Longer Answer:

You must have a track hub or flip flop hub to install a cog and lock ring. That can be laced up to any rim, providing that the rim and the hub have the same amount of holes for spokes.

The hub needs to have to sets of threads. One, moving in the normal direction for the cog, and another set in the opposite direction for the lock ring.

Summary: You can put a cog and lockring on any rim, but that rim has to be laced up to a track hub.

[joeshred3000]

can any rim have fixed gear cog installed on it??

[Damado93]

ok my chain is dumb. its tight enough to fit.

but its still loose.. wut do i do!? please help me.!