I'm 42, I have four kids, I've played guitar for almost 25 years. I play complicated and fast metal, something that takes a ton of talent to play. I love what I do, but there's just no money in it. I am in the process RIGHT now of putting together a cd with some musician friends of mine with the sole intent of producing a marketable product to make money from it. It will be similar to Godsmack... a ridiculously simple example of the crap that mainstream radio pounds down peoples throats.
I would say that when it comes to putting your shows in commercials, that can't be considered selling out because there is no MTV-like outlet to promote yourself anymore, and commercials and shows are the next best thing. Nowadays, I could see the term sell-out refer to a group that radically changes there musical style to achieve money/fame (Kings of Leon come to mind).
There is deffinatley A difference between Working hard and Making money as a musician and Only doing it FOR the money. Selling out is NOT what it used to be. But I know for a fact that ALOT of people play music FOR the money. Which is selling out for me. If you don't love it with all your heart, It's probably NOT going to sound amazing. So If you play music ONLY FOR THE MONEY, you are a sellout. Bring back the golden ages in music bro!
Hipsters are pathetic people who sell out by not selling out. Everyone sells out in one way or another. Andrew Zimmern always says "if it looks good eat it" well, if it sounds good. Listen to it.
your only a sell out if you are only making music to make money. if its no longer about the message of your music or the fans and its just the dollars in your wallet your a sell out. kiss were huge sell outs. they will be the first to tell you they were not good musicians ,but they made millions because gene simmons was a genius at marketing himself. weezer may be sellouts i mean have you heard there last few albums :-( ... but weezer is in our faces more then ever before
woaw didint think like that.... i tottaly agree with you Sami :) way to many people are downloading music these days ( im buying albums ) and bands are not making alot of money from that, like in the 80s and 90s you couldnt download enything because.... you know why, and that way they did make money from albums, so Sami you are a 100% right!
I feel like there is a VERY fine line between smart marketing and selling out. For instance, one band that i think has sold out is Weezer. they released Hurley (GARBAGE ALBUM) and Ratitude very close together. Neither of the albums were very good, and i feel like it was just a way to make more money without being the best they could possibly be. just my opinion
The only reason I don't like when some band gets popular is that it makes their shows expensive and crowded.
I missed my chance to see The Black Keys two years ago and saw them last month at Bluesfest, and I know for a fact it was way more crowded this time they came around.
On the other hand I'm glad that lots of people are exposed to their fucking great music now.
it still is very possible to be a sell out. One word: weezer. I'm pretty sure they recently recorded the State Farm jingle or something recently, they sold their music in pac sun and those guys have made plenty of money from their early records already
@acevfilms I totally agree, they were really good up until about halfway through the green album, and then they came out with Raditude, and made that "Represent" Song about "Reppin" the U.S for the Fifa worlfd cup. And then all there music started to suck.
well i think that if a band wants to do it or doesn't i don't really think there sell outs if a band really wants to sell out they will let glee use their songs because i assume they get money on the spot and royalties when someone buys the glee version on itunes but so many bands have been called sell out like metallica when they come out with the black album
well yes you can if you sell your music to a car company or something like that it's not it's just good business but if you change your sound to fit popular culture say like Linkin Park who just changed their sound so they could be on the transformers soundtrack then that's selling out unlike Radio Head and Cold Play they change their sound becuase they don't wanna put out the album twice they like to take risks with their music
yes you can sell out in music but selling out means if you are making commercials where you say hi my name is and i like this product an reccomends it to you. if a band or musician changes their music then its not sell out ya maybe its becomes more popular but changing style is something almost every bands need to do at some point.
Of course you CAN sell out, it's just not the same. Everything you said in your vid I agree with. The thing is, the rules are the same as they've ever been. If you don't need the money and still go out of your way to put your music in a commercial or do some other over commercialized crap then you're a sellout. If you do it simply to make ends meet and to get noticed it's ok.
Rules are the same, it's just that the overall landscape of music today has changed and more bands need more money now
I think that selling out sort of has a new definition. Signing the contracts is one thing, but when you're altering your art to get the contracts, you're not being true to your art and usually in turn, your fans. That's when I get pissed off with bands--when they change FOR the other ways of making money.
it depends on how you see the word sell out i see it as this artist had a good unique sound and had to albums with that sound but because the sales didn't do good for those two albums they get rid of there producer and original sound so they get more money sooner instead of sticking with there original sound and maybe not getting as much money right away i think appearing on late night shows or putting a song on commercial has nothing to do with selling out
selling out is letting your music be used by things your fans would consider uncool like Glee, but putting your band in Guitar Hero or Rock Band is a good idea because it gets people who already like rock music into your band and most of those people will consider buying your album. the audience from Glee however will only lissten to the Glee version or purchase the single
No i don't think you can be a sell out. now or ever. as a musican myself i say you got to do what you got to do. Put your name out there let your music be heard. people who talk about Sell out or oh thats over produced.... bullshit. good for that band who ever made it. people should stop being so one track minded.
I agree, there's a BIG difference between making money with your music that is "your sound" and CHANGING your music to make it "more mainstream"/less creative than it was to make money. Example: Indie bands like Phoenix heard on car commercials (money off their music). Against Me! covering that Gavin Degraw song for that tv show. (selling out).
When a band sells out, it does not mean that they have sold songs to advertisers, I mean "Song 2" by Blur played during a Target commercial at one point in time (& I think it was in a Honda advertise as well). But if (I'm just using Blur as an example) Blur was to, all of the sudden, change everything about themselves and started to sound like Nickle Back, Seether and/or Creed just to get radio exposure, then that would be selling out. Basically, if they stopped writing/playing what they love.
I always considered sellouts to be the bands altered their sounds for the purpose of more exposure, like going from a harder rock style to a softer just to get play on MTV, radio, etc.
Nope, you can't sell out I agree, in order to be in a band these days you have to get rich doing something else for a living and then actually PAY to promote and to play good venues, I think that's the only way you can do it anymore
i think as long as you write music for the love of it .. its great that you make money off of it in any way as long as your music is real and its what you want to do
In one way, you could say selling out would be caring if your music is underground or mainstream, so if you go out and purposefully try to be underground instead of just trying to make music and make it your whole life, then you've sold out just like people who try to be famous. Personally, I just want to make music, but be able to have it so it's my job for the rest of my life because if I have to make money at all, it should be doing something I love, so however much I can get by on.
@basman2006 Maybe they do it so they can attract more people to their sound, or maybe they want to change their sound? I'm not trolling or anything, I think Greenday just wanted a more diverse sound.
Good music is good music is good music. I don't care where I heard it, how much money the artist made by it, or who else likes it. This is not complicated.
I think that monetarily it is a lot more difficult to sell out. It's a very valid point that due to all of the availability of music these days, it's a lot harder for a band to become popular. But it's really the attitude of the band that shows if they've sold out. I think in a way it's pretty cool, because that keeps musicians humble, and it also shows who really has a passion for the art of making music when the due credit isn't quite all given.
To me the only way u can sell out is if u change your music to the point that u are trying to please a group of people with other tastes other than rock. For example korn and skrillex both groups are cool but korn seems like the want the fans that skrillex has accumulated.
And it wasn't Elektra (the record label, not the crappy comic book movie) that had anything to do with it, it was the bands choice! Plus, I thought progression in music ment a move forward when it comes to the sound. You know what I just might have to make a video response to this because I can't do it in just 1 huge ass comment!
Last time I checked playing larger areas attracts more attention. For example, are The Foo Fighters, as you Sami said, the biggest band of 2011 played Wembley back in 2008. Are they sellouts? And I'm going to really go for the jugular with this one being the Metallica fanboy I am. METALLICA DIDN'T F***ING SELLOUT! People keep saying they sold out after ...And Justice For All, but no they did what they wanted. They wanted to have higher production and to shorten the length of their songs.
My answer is no you can't! Like you said, if you're a band that has little to no exposure you have to do anything you can to get said exposure. For example, The Black Keys (probably the most over used example in this discussion) while on their current tour in Canada didn't play just smaller venues. They ended up playing a few amphitheaters as well.
The best is the Colbert Report episode about selling out in the music industry. Had Black keys and Vampire weekend i beleive on there arguing about who sold out the most. Check it out if you havn't, its hilarious!!!
I'm in a band, and no, it is completely impossible to sell out this days. I agree with Sami. Maybe in the 70s or 80s. Now you have to try every way possible to survive.
I dont think theres such thing as selling out but i do think that theirs such thing as being retarded. For example like the guy that mentioned nickleback below. They used to have songs with at least slightly intelligent meaning. I didnt like them but they at least had meaning. Now all their new songs that ive heard are about drugs and fucking chicks, basically rap music over rock n roll. They didnt sell out (imo) but they became retarded
I view selling out as compromising your sound in order to make it more accessible, probably to please a major label and get more radio play. If someone wants to buy your song for use in a commercial, you'd be stupid not to let them unless you're strongly against what the ad's selling, and no creative compromise is required of you. I'd rather hear cool indie bands playing on commercials than crap ones anyway. BTW, The Black Keys totally sold out.
Im in a band, and its hard to even do that. let alone breaking into the industry.
to make a living from it, you need to sign to a major label and get well known, so selling out is a load of bullshit, if people dont want you to 'sell out' they want to keep you for themselves and stop you making a living from what you love.
and if you consider people like Nirvana, Zepplin and others to be sellouts, then if they didnt, how would they influence the music of today and future generations?
Dude selling out?! I hate it when people say that. People don't have not clue how hard it is to get started in the music business... It's be great to be able do all the music that you truly want to do but no one will pay you for that. Get the cash, get the gear, then do what you want.
Im in agrreance 100 percent you really cant sell out now. i still buy albums and download legally which i think u should because if your a fanof music why would you try to rip off the artist that you love it makes no since to me so no because of all the jag offs that illegaly get music and all that shit its hard to make money and you have to live so u look to anybody that will help so no you cant really sell out these days
i think you can sellout when you start puposely pushing your music for a mainstream audience. take nickelback for example, all you guys here know nickelback, back in the early 90s they had kind of a underground grunge thing going on, they were a pretty decent band, and then they had a really big radio hit, it was a number 1 pop hit in 2 countrys i believe, and ever since then everything they write is marketed towards a mainstream audience
When I think of sell out I think of Metallica. Only because of the way they carried on about piracy. They have sold over 90 million albums and made shit loads of money before the illegal down loads were possible. I would understand if a small band or a band with little cash behind them cracking up about piracy but when you have more then enough money to survive for the rest of your life you should l not carry on like you are dirt poor because of the Internet.
@MrHubb1 That I think was more a matter of principle, and I totally understand them for that, I'm against piracy too. Besides protecting their work got nothing what-so-ever to do with "selling out" man.
Are you saying that because Metallica have made so much money they should just accept it that people take their music ( which they have spent alot of time and effort to make btw) and spread it around so thousands of people can get it? It does not matter what band it is, piracy is wrong anyways.
I understand why a band would sell their music for a commercial or something like that. Its not always a bad thing. Promotion is great. Sammy I had never heard of The Horrors until you mentioned their Skying release. I was curious so I t listened to samples on line then bought the cd .
I 100% agree with your video, but just things like green day for example, going all the way from the punk undergrounds to making Broadway musicals is just not right, its not selling out if your trying to make music, but it is selling out if you just want to make money
Yeah I believe you can still sell out. If you perform exclusively for the money, meaning you create something with no artistic value to it and are just doing it to obtain a profit then yeah I would believe thats selling out. A lot of people confuse changing up a musical styling as selling out which is wrong. If a band stays the same for their entire career they become boring and bland. If they keep it real and maintain an artistic quality then thats all that should matter, indie or major.
yes.. but no. I agree bands have to make a living any way they can now-a-days, but there should be a standard. NO BAND SHOULD EVER BE ON GLEE ... ever! And for all you people who say any band licencing their music to tv movies or other things is automatically a sellout, then maybe you should support them and BUY their cd instead of stealing it off the internet.
Weezer's a sell out. Have you seen the "axe concert thing" they did, rivers stops sing to apply (and sell) the axe spray. Then they name their next album after a company (ya they said it was for Hurley from lost but tht was just a load of bs)
Rock and Roll isn't about making money. If you think it is, put down your guitar and find another career. Rock and Roll is one of the only saviours for the underdog. If we give it to the corporations, it becomes nothing but cheap candy for the masses. I remember a time when rock music was a device to criticise and talk down at society, whatever happened to that?
Sami, oh, Sami. Of course anyone CAN sell out in music. But they WON'T. If a band, say Interpol, one day decided they wanted to completely sell out, they could go ahead and sell all of their songs to Wal-Mart or whatever and their souls to Satan. But they won't. Why? Because they wouldn't make money, and money makes the world go round. It's unorthodox and idiotic to sell-out. But then again, that term is overused so much it makes me want to whip myself.
I don't think what you're talking about is selling out. To me, a sell out is a band that makes a certain type of music but then changes that music to something more pop orientated because it will get them more popular. If the music a band makes on their own BECOMES popular, or works in commercials or tv shows, then good for them. They didn't sell out, they're making money.
I agree with you completely if selling out means being able to buy better equipment, have a better tour bus, have better promotions, be able to play shows in more places,be able to have merchandise, being able to put out your records in more stores,being on commercials and being a paid more,being on a label that will pay you more for your hard work then yes I would rather be a sellout any day errday,
gotta rock but gotta sustain life, sure you hear the song in the mainstream media, so does somebody else and therefore the interest of the band transfers to someone else, kinda like the you tell 2 and each of those people tell 2 people and on and on and on to never never never land, thats what i think at least
I think as long as the bands still love playing the music they haven't sold out so as long as the music still love in in it or hate which either depends on the genre the band is not a sellout
I think there is a difference between trying to make money and selling out. trying to make money means to still put your heart and hard work into your music, but not have any problem selling your song a comercial. after all, bands need money. selling out is not making music how you want, but making it to please advertisers and mainstream listeners. also, music isnt good based on how much its listened to. if one of radioheads songs got popular i woulndt hate them because there "to mainstream"
I think you can still sell out by changing up your original sound or your former image. Basically to TRY and sell more to a general audience to make more money. Prime example Green Day. Started wearing mascara and button shirts with red ties and all of a sudden had a political edge to them. When the album before that they dressed up like stoner's and play punk rock they've been playing since the early 90s. Now they have they're own broadway musical??? Yeah.... that's selling out to me.
i hate when people blame bands of selling out. it's stupid your mad because they wanna get paid for their music. i'd be the biggest sell out in the world if i were in a band
I think the only way a band can sell out these days is if they dumb down their music to appeal to the people that listen to average crappy pop radio. A band that I consider a sell out are Kings of Leon, their first two records are great but anything after that just does not give their loyal fans any reason to continue listening to them and at that point, the rest of their music is just for a paycheck and not for personal satisfaction. That's when I lose all respect for the band.
I never really consider any artist a sell out, because I couldn't care at all where they put there music. If I like them, I'll listen to them, if not, I won't. I actually find it kinda cool when I hear someone I like on a commercial. It doesn't happen that often, mainly due to the fact that the kind of music I like is overlooked a lot. But either way, I don't care.
I hate bands put their songs on an advertisement. I cannot stand it because not only does it spoil the songs from over playing it, it also makes you associate the song with whatever the hell product they're flogging. I understand the music industry is harder to make money in than ever nowadays..but if I were in a signed band I would never use my song to sell some random product. Appearing on shows like late night.. I dont really see how thats selling out, its just promoting your songs.
selling out is now acceptable i dont see why it shouldnt people would go crazy cause they are but the reason they do it is because of them i mean hey if peope would be downloading my album for 0.99$ legally instead of buying it from a music store i wouldnt give a flying fuck if they would call me sell out cause even if its for the music you still gotta make a living out of it if every band decided not to sell out a few times then you wont hear of them anymore cause they wouldnt have any cash
It's the matter of writing songs that are trying TOO hard to GRASP at money. It's okay if my favorite band writes poppier songs, but when they keep on using the same formula over and over or write about partying all night and getting bitches, that's when they sell out.
then if you sell 1 copy of your album or you have 100 views of your song on youtube you're a sell out??? c'mon people some bands take the music as a job, and they have to survive somehow, lucky for us that they choose being musicians as their jobs so we can enjoy their music.
Can yu Sell Out? No matter Rock or Hip Hop, I believe no, depends what yu believe in. Yu want everyone to listen to YOUR music. Do yur own thing. Yu want money? Like the old saying goes sell yourself to the Devil. Its only yur Idea, yur Morals, yur Dreams. You Choose.
I pretty much agree with you. I don't really like downloading albums from the bands I listen to, because I want them to be able to continue making the music I love, but every record store in my town has actually closed or does only sell Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift so getting my hands on the CD's I want is not easy anymore. But then again I order what I can of CD's and merch and concert tickets of course, just too bad nobody has shows in Norway..
When you start making decisions about what music to put out based on what will sell rather than what you want to do you have sold out to an extent. As long as you are making music you like then you aren't selling out.
Sometimes their tastes more closer to the mainstream. Sometimes the mainstream moves closer to their tastes. I find that irrelevant.. I also find using things like adverts/shows to diseminate your music harmless. How else can you get music on TV?
QOTD: Yes, Metallica, U2,... I'm talking about major ones AND not to forget those engineered bands and "artists" by DIsney etc, they were only made to make money :p There's nothing artistic about saying the word baby 50 times in each chorus
I never really believed in the whole "selling out" thing, I mean, even if your music is used in commercials and such, as long as it is still your music and it's not like something you did specifically for that commercial, then I'm totally fine with it.
The line for me is if they do like a jingle or something that isn't their original song.
But yeah, in today's world you gotta make money in all of the possible ways you can. I can totally understand that.
EVERYONE can sell out. It doesn't matter how much money you're making. Selling out just means giving up your morals / what you believe in exchange for money. But it isn't selling out just because you put your song in an advertisement
if bands appear on the radio or on tv shows then that just means that they are getting popular. more people like them and thats why they appear. they dont sell out.
There are quite a few bands who are selling out by making music for the more 'mainstream' crowd, example : Muse. I loved them so much and they already have a LOT of money, they have world-wide popularity and they aren't in need of being more popular. YET they are selling their songs to movies and such. I think indie bands are just trying to make their name, and I have nothing against it. But when they get popular, it should be about the music.
People think Rise Against sold out because their songs are appearing on the radio a couple of times... I think people just love to find reasons to hate stuff, even stuff they like.
@RockItOutBlog, it really depends on the band, for example: Tool. A prog rock band that sticks to their strong lyrics. And most people wouldn't listen to them because their "weird" or their not their precious Lil Wayne, Eminem, or Kid Cudi. F*ck those rap artists, those are sellouts they talk about a lot of stuff that they DONT do, I like Folk rock, Prog rock, Grunge rock, Some Indie, and Experimental rock. I try not to listen to bands such as: Rev Theory, Hinder, etc. The radio rock music sucks
I'm going thought the same thing with my favorite band right now.....I love Seether and what they were......Now they changed their sound and are making "radio-play" music.....Not that I don't like it....I do but it's just not what I enjoyed them for.....But it has brought them to lots of new fans....
Okay my thoughts on this.....I say yes band can and do sell out! To me "sell out" means changing your sound just for radio play and or money! Changing the sound up for what made you in the first place. I hate it! I know I'm gonna get shit from this but one of the biggest is Metallica.....Listen to their old stuff....Great shit man...Heavy sweet sound....Then all of a sudden they had And Justice For All and the song One made it to the radio.....From there all their music went soft....
stupid question but i can never find a good answer. do bands make money from people who download there songs legally but on like itunes and websites like that?
YES!!!! I can say that you dont need to be in 8/10 commercials to eat and sleep for the night....... any band can servive on good music.... if they cant make that they picked the wroung profetion. bands that sellout loose the soul and emotion needed for good song righting and bands thats sell out fill the airwaves with SHIT that inspires new bands to form and play shit music to.... and so what if that band cant eat that night!!! an artist has to suffer for his art!!!!
@ritalinrush then you go make music and get no money for food,gas, retuning equipment,etc. obviously there are bands who are total sellouts, especially on nick among other shows but understand there are other bands who desperatly need the money even if its just a little like 10 to 20$ but some cases bands sell out,other cases they keep true to their music even though they're on a major label (like the Beatles,Nirvana,Foo Fighters,Led Zeppelin,etc.)
@adventerer allot of great musicans start up from nothing...living in crap naborhoods crashing at friends houses srapeing money from family and friends... this isnt africa if thay really need food that bad they can steal the bread or from the 300 grocery stores in every state. yes its roung and it sucks but if there good AND ORIGANAL. they will get were they wont to by them selves and not with the help of kay swiss hp printer and victoria secret... again an artist has to suffer for his art!!!!
@ritalinrush So you basically want them to suffer for your own enjoyment, so that you can sit back in your comfy upper middle class house and listen to their music?
Look, the music industry doesn't pay the musicians anymore. They need other sources of revenue inorder to continue producing content. They need money for the tour bus, the recording sessions, the instruments... If they're down to stealing food it means that the last thing they have is money to produce art.
@adventerer upper middle class!? I wish and this isnt a agrument of grammer or spelling ether.. i dont eat so i can buy cds and what i need to keep my band going because theres no way my dads paying for it. u just have to be tight with a dollar.. people said for a long ass time that the music industry sucks... i have friends and family that id probubly die of malnourishment without. thats all i need... 3 to 6 people with a good saving method can suport themselves well enoughf to play.
@ritalinrush If you enjoy living in misery, great. Have fun. Let me just re direct you to @FANCYBREADmusic 's comment. Artists need to make a living after some while. If they live their whole life in misery but making music that doesn't get out there they've kind of wasted their life. If you think artists need to be martyrs go tell them that yourself, because I don't think a single band wants to feel miserable and live in eternal poverty.
@adventerer you dont have a bad point..... but u can still sellout i wont to keep the music real and idk i just think poverty works for me X). its no problem man it just feels like the easy way out to me and my punk rock aditude dosnt wont to kiss the asses of the man. no disrespect bro but selling out just isnt right on my moral levels and if i only make it so far on my own i die with my pride and will live on with respect of many.
Well I think if you sign to a major record label and you're thinking 'Fuck Yeah, I'm Rich', well ofcourse you're selling out, but what most rock and indie artists are thinking when they sign is probably 'more publicly means more fans, means the band gets bigger and we're not stuck playing shows to 50 people anymore'
I think If your an Indie band and your song is on a commercial its not a big deal, but I think If their "mainstream" selling out is worse because they already have a shit load of money. But I dont think It is ever really a bad thing for any artists music to be on tv. Indie bands need money too and as long as they dont compromise the music its all good with me.
I don't really think they can sell out. Like you said, They have to make their living somehow. I once saw a Pie Graph that showed a bands avg Revenue. like 20% came from album sales. 30% came from Merchandise and a Whopping 50% came from Live Gigs. So if a Band, Like Muse, My fav Band 3v4R, Decided to Release their Music via the Twilight albums, I don't think its so bad. I mean, How else are you gonna get your music out to a Different Continent where people don't even know your music that well?
yes and no, i think that bands who are selling their songs to ads and films etc. are not selling out, because they are still staying true to their music but making extra money from it, but i still think bands can sell out, for example, when a metal band decide to stop playing metal and play the same mass produced metalcore crap that loads of other bands are playing because its worked out for the other bands, then yes, that is selling out
I hate it when people call bands sell outs. Like Avenged Sevenfold, They're drummer died! he has like a brother to all of them in the band. Its not called selling out, I think they've improved
You can only really be a 'sell out' now if you preach anti-conformity, anti-corporate and anti-mainstream messages...only to sell your music to a commercial or something. 'Selling out' is still all about hypocrisy and insincerity.
Indie and mainstream media have integrated, so it is virtually impossible for an indie band to "sell out". I mean, MTV plays at least 3 indie songs on each episode of each of their shows!
No you can't- well, unless you REAAAAAALLY fucking try to. If you have music that you like, that other people like, and that large corporations want to use on, say, a commercial, that's fine. I mean, if a company sell or support something you really hate, maybe then it would be a bit weird to let them use your music. But for the most part, it's fine. And appearing on talk shows? What's wrong with that? Nothing. People are too quick to assign the "SELL OUT!" label to bands these days.
if you are inspired by making money and change your message and song to make more money you have sold out, if your a vegan band who does a maccas add you sold out, if your anti war and do adds for car companies, its all depends on the band and there message
A7X-An example of a band that you can say "sold out" however there are more fans then before and pretty much the only song A7X fans can name from back when A7X were Metalcore is "Unholy Confessions", because A7X Still play that song, in concerts
Selling out in my eyes is when you make the music that the record company TELL you to go off and make, as opposed to the record you WANT to make (See Kings of Leon). Theres nothing wrong with making your music more accessible, but when your doing it just to chase the almighty dollar, that's when you have to question if you still function as a credible musician, and not some grotesque caricature...
Selling out to what? Nearly everyone here has totally missed the point. You are only selling out if you do something like: preach about how selling music with record companies is wrong, then go and sell a bunch of records. Bands don't do this. Rage in a way "sold out" because their is hypocrisy in their message/actions - but who gives a shit because their songs are awesome.
Yea, I download my music and I am proud of it. Do you guys know why? Because music was free even before the internet came. To this times you could get free music over the radio and stuff all day long. I don't know how the things are in your country, but ther is not even one singele fucking radio channel here in Austria which comes even close to my taste in music. So I just have to get my stuff somewhere else...
I think you can still "sell out", I support doing ads and publicity stuff for sure, it's great in my opinion, but changing your music solely to be more commercial, I dont dig that.
I'm 42, I have four kids, I've played guitar for almost 25 years. I play complicated and fast metal, something that takes a ton of talent to play. I love what I do, but there's just no money in it. I am in the process RIGHT now of putting together a cd with some musician friends of mine with the sole intent of producing a marketable product to make money from it. It will be similar to Godsmack... a ridiculously simple example of the crap that mainstream radio pounds down peoples throats.
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RunsWithWolves6 6 months ago
Loving the t-shirt effect :)
broomeydbr9 6 months ago
Best Lollapalooza Ever! Cage the Elephant put on the best concert of all time
rhcphallofame 6 months ago
I wish I had that shirt.
behindyou123456 6 months ago
Nice Holiday cover
colinmcom14 6 months ago
I would say that when it comes to putting your shows in commercials, that can't be considered selling out because there is no MTV-like outlet to promote yourself anymore, and commercials and shows are the next best thing. Nowadays, I could see the term sell-out refer to a group that radically changes there musical style to achieve money/fame (Kings of Leon come to mind).
commiesmasher 6 months ago
There is deffinatley A difference between Working hard and Making money as a musician and Only doing it FOR the money. Selling out is NOT what it used to be. But I know for a fact that ALOT of people play music FOR the money. Which is selling out for me. If you don't love it with all your heart, It's probably NOT going to sound amazing. So If you play music ONLY FOR THE MONEY, you are a sellout. Bring back the golden ages in music bro!
DannyTheDrummuh 6 months ago
From a Fellow drummer of 10 years, working at least 8 hours a day, 18 Years old. I love this Channel :) Great to see fellow Music fanatics!
DannyTheDrummuh 6 months ago
well myself i hate bands that sell out. i mean they make wayy more money then most of us will ever see in this lifetime.
TheScorpion615 6 months ago
Selling out is when you do something that's against what you believe in for money. How does anyone not know this?
JackInYourBoxTV 6 months ago
My Chemical Romance......
xDoobersX 6 months ago
Hipsters are pathetic people who sell out by not selling out. Everyone sells out in one way or another. Andrew Zimmern always says "if it looks good eat it" well, if it sounds good. Listen to it.
nejifan365 6 months ago
sami ur a floating head and its scary as hell. thanks for your time.
h0merg0mez 6 months ago
your only a sell out if you are only making music to make money. if its no longer about the message of your music or the fans and its just the dollars in your wallet your a sell out. kiss were huge sell outs. they will be the first to tell you they were not good musicians ,but they made millions because gene simmons was a genius at marketing himself. weezer may be sellouts i mean have you heard there last few albums :-( ... but weezer is in our faces more then ever before
bjeagles13 6 months ago
Can someone tell me why this guy does not have 100k+ vewis per video -.-
playguru2 6 months ago
woaw didint think like that.... i tottaly agree with you Sami :) way to many people are downloading music these days ( im buying albums ) and bands are not making alot of money from that, like in the 80s and 90s you couldnt download enything because.... you know why, and that way they did make money from albums, so Sami you are a 100% right!
Alfie871 6 months ago
I feel like there is a VERY fine line between smart marketing and selling out. For instance, one band that i think has sold out is Weezer. they released Hurley (GARBAGE ALBUM) and Ratitude very close together. Neither of the albums were very good, and i feel like it was just a way to make more money without being the best they could possibly be. just my opinion
dbiddy94 6 months ago
some of the ladygaga like people tHEY are sell outs
mackentosh2 6 months ago
@mackentosh2 way to be original
FreakinKoolMedia 6 months ago
no (im the only one to comment a straight answer :)
acer993 6 months ago
The only reason I don't like when some band gets popular is that it makes their shows expensive and crowded.
I missed my chance to see The Black Keys two years ago and saw them last month at Bluesfest, and I know for a fact it was way more crowded this time they came around.
On the other hand I'm glad that lots of people are exposed to their fucking great music now.
TaffyRaphie 6 months ago
it still is very possible to be a sell out. One word: weezer. I'm pretty sure they recently recorded the State Farm jingle or something recently, they sold their music in pac sun and those guys have made plenty of money from their early records already
acevfilms 6 months ago
@acevfilms I totally agree, they were really good up until about halfway through the green album, and then they came out with Raditude, and made that "Represent" Song about "Reppin" the U.S for the Fifa worlfd cup. And then all there music started to suck.
1337killswitch7331 6 months ago
well i think that if a band wants to do it or doesn't i don't really think there sell outs if a band really wants to sell out they will let glee use their songs because i assume they get money on the spot and royalties when someone buys the glee version on itunes but so many bands have been called sell out like metallica when they come out with the black album
Antipop93 6 months ago
Nice shirt ;D
Greenslime300 6 months ago
well yes you can if you sell your music to a car company or something like that it's not it's just good business but if you change your sound to fit popular culture say like Linkin Park who just changed their sound so they could be on the transformers soundtrack then that's selling out unlike Radio Head and Cold Play they change their sound becuase they don't wanna put out the album twice they like to take risks with their music
cmpunk49 6 months ago
yes you can sell out in music but selling out means if you are making commercials where you say hi my name is and i like this product an reccomends it to you. if a band or musician changes their music then its not sell out ya maybe its becomes more popular but changing style is something almost every bands need to do at some point.
lordifandk 6 months ago
Of course you CAN sell out, it's just not the same. Everything you said in your vid I agree with. The thing is, the rules are the same as they've ever been. If you don't need the money and still go out of your way to put your music in a commercial or do some other over commercialized crap then you're a sellout. If you do it simply to make ends meet and to get noticed it's ok.
Rules are the same, it's just that the overall landscape of music today has changed and more bands need more money now
DoubleO711 6 months ago
I think that selling out sort of has a new definition. Signing the contracts is one thing, but when you're altering your art to get the contracts, you're not being true to your art and usually in turn, your fans. That's when I get pissed off with bands--when they change FOR the other ways of making money.
Yea, this is basically what FancyBread said.
080Muffin080 7 months ago
it depends on how you see the word sell out i see it as this artist had a good unique sound and had to albums with that sound but because the sales didn't do good for those two albums they get rid of there producer and original sound so they get more money sooner instead of sticking with there original sound and maybe not getting as much money right away i think appearing on late night shows or putting a song on commercial has nothing to do with selling out
punkhomes 7 months ago
yes and no
selling out is letting your music be used by things your fans would consider uncool like Glee, but putting your band in Guitar Hero or Rock Band is a good idea because it gets people who already like rock music into your band and most of those people will consider buying your album. the audience from Glee however will only lissten to the Glee version or purchase the single
AxlSlashnDuff 7 months ago
No i don't think you can be a sell out. now or ever. as a musican myself i say you got to do what you got to do. Put your name out there let your music be heard. people who talk about Sell out or oh thats over produced.... bullshit. good for that band who ever made it. people should stop being so one track minded.
TheStoneHavenProject 7 months ago
I agree, there's a BIG difference between making money with your music that is "your sound" and CHANGING your music to make it "more mainstream"/less creative than it was to make money. Example: Indie bands like Phoenix heard on car commercials (money off their music). Against Me! covering that Gavin Degraw song for that tv show. (selling out).
Mattmoo36 7 months ago
When a band sells out, it does not mean that they have sold songs to advertisers, I mean "Song 2" by Blur played during a Target commercial at one point in time (& I think it was in a Honda advertise as well). But if (I'm just using Blur as an example) Blur was to, all of the sudden, change everything about themselves and started to sound like Nickle Back, Seether and/or Creed just to get radio exposure, then that would be selling out. Basically, if they stopped writing/playing what they love.
HylianSlayer 7 months ago
I always considered sellouts to be the bands altered their sounds for the purpose of more exposure, like going from a harder rock style to a softer just to get play on MTV, radio, etc.
hillbillygenius72 7 months ago
Nope, you can't sell out I agree, in order to be in a band these days you have to get rich doing something else for a living and then actually PAY to promote and to play good venues, I think that's the only way you can do it anymore
identicalkarmaband 7 months ago
KISS is a sell out
BITE256 7 months ago
i think as long as you write music for the love of it .. its great that you make money off of it in any way as long as your music is real and its what you want to do
TRUEGUITARHERO2171 7 months ago
i still buy albums and vinyls :]
TRUEGUITARHERO2171 7 months ago
damn it i was in wacken when lolapalooza... wait... wacken was better than sitting infront of a laptop
elwulfo666 7 months ago
In one way, you could say selling out would be caring if your music is underground or mainstream, so if you go out and purposefully try to be underground instead of just trying to make music and make it your whole life, then you've sold out just like people who try to be famous. Personally, I just want to make music, but be able to have it so it's my job for the rest of my life because if I have to make money at all, it should be doing something I love, so however much I can get by on.
KristinNirvana 7 months ago
YES U CAN STILL SELL OUT!! just ask Metallica! monopoly? WTF!! CLASSIC FUCKIN SELL OUT
LivingWithAName 7 months ago
@LivingWithAName I find it to be to be great fun for metalheads of all ages.
FauchCold 7 months ago
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mentalfeed70 7 months ago
I am your friend Sami.
TheClarad001 7 months ago
of course artists need money, but when they make their music more accesible so more people will buy it is still selling out.
bands like Green Day and Muse have sold out for instance.
basman2006 7 months ago
@basman2006 Maybe they do it so they can attract more people to their sound, or maybe they want to change their sound? I'm not trolling or anything, I think Greenday just wanted a more diverse sound.
Evan42881 7 months ago
Good music is good music is good music. I don't care where I heard it, how much money the artist made by it, or who else likes it. This is not complicated.
LeaningTowardsPisa 7 months ago 7
@LeaningTowardsPisa well said my friend.
MidKnightBlaze 7 months ago
I'M A HIPSTER, DAS WHAT I ARE, DRINK, TV OFF, PLAY GUITAR, RIDE MY BIKE, DON'T RIDE CAR, IF IT'S ON YOUTUBE, IT'S TOO MAINSTREAM. I'M A HIPSTER.
TechnoCharpie 7 months ago
I think that monetarily it is a lot more difficult to sell out. It's a very valid point that due to all of the availability of music these days, it's a lot harder for a band to become popular. But it's really the attitude of the band that shows if they've sold out. I think in a way it's pretty cool, because that keeps musicians humble, and it also shows who really has a passion for the art of making music when the due credit isn't quite all given.
justlooking4clues 7 months ago
I don't think you can sell out, especially nowadays
maishi 7 months ago
To me the only way u can sell out is if u change your music to the point that u are trying to please a group of people with other tastes other than rock. For example korn and skrillex both groups are cool but korn seems like the want the fans that skrillex has accumulated.
alaskanadiean64 7 months ago
And it wasn't Elektra (the record label, not the crappy comic book movie) that had anything to do with it, it was the bands choice! Plus, I thought progression in music ment a move forward when it comes to the sound. You know what I just might have to make a video response to this because I can't do it in just 1 huge ass comment!
MetalMovieReviews 7 months ago
Last time I checked playing larger areas attracts more attention. For example, are The Foo Fighters, as you Sami said, the biggest band of 2011 played Wembley back in 2008. Are they sellouts? And I'm going to really go for the jugular with this one being the Metallica fanboy I am. METALLICA DIDN'T F***ING SELLOUT! People keep saying they sold out after ...And Justice For All, but no they did what they wanted. They wanted to have higher production and to shorten the length of their songs.
MetalMovieReviews 7 months ago
My answer is no you can't! Like you said, if you're a band that has little to no exposure you have to do anything you can to get said exposure. For example, The Black Keys (probably the most over used example in this discussion) while on their current tour in Canada didn't play just smaller venues. They ended up playing a few amphitheaters as well.
MetalMovieReviews 7 months ago
Sami look up Nickelback on urbandictionary. you'll get a kick out of it. :)
myke2147 7 months ago
cut your hair and there you go, people will say you sold out
theycalledmebob 7 months ago 3
The best is the Colbert Report episode about selling out in the music industry. Had Black keys and Vampire weekend i beleive on there arguing about who sold out the most. Check it out if you havn't, its hilarious!!!
Gabe511 7 months ago
I'm in a band, and no, it is completely impossible to sell out this days. I agree with Sami. Maybe in the 70s or 80s. Now you have to try every way possible to survive.
Masterkid1230 7 months ago
I dont think theres such thing as selling out but i do think that theirs such thing as being retarded. For example like the guy that mentioned nickleback below. They used to have songs with at least slightly intelligent meaning. I didnt like them but they at least had meaning. Now all their new songs that ive heard are about drugs and fucking chicks, basically rap music over rock n roll. They didnt sell out (imo) but they became retarded
RetroRifleGuitarist2 7 months ago
I view selling out as compromising your sound in order to make it more accessible, probably to please a major label and get more radio play. If someone wants to buy your song for use in a commercial, you'd be stupid not to let them unless you're strongly against what the ad's selling, and no creative compromise is required of you. I'd rather hear cool indie bands playing on commercials than crap ones anyway. BTW, The Black Keys totally sold out.
xCroB93x 7 months ago
Im in a band, and its hard to even do that. let alone breaking into the industry.
to make a living from it, you need to sign to a major label and get well known, so selling out is a load of bullshit, if people dont want you to 'sell out' they want to keep you for themselves and stop you making a living from what you love.
and if you consider people like Nirvana, Zepplin and others to be sellouts, then if they didnt, how would they influence the music of today and future generations?
nuff said.
IDanClarkI 7 months ago 2
@IDanClarkI totally agree with you broski
themightydumbass 7 months ago
Your Ezra Koenig is spot on.
xCroB93x 7 months ago
Dude selling out?! I hate it when people say that. People don't have not clue how hard it is to get started in the music business... It's be great to be able do all the music that you truly want to do but no one will pay you for that. Get the cash, get the gear, then do what you want.
coolsprus101 7 months ago
You have to practice a little more with bluescreening!
SoppyMacWolf 7 months ago
I think these days the only way you can truly sell out is if contradict the lyrics of your songs. these days that mostly applies to punk bands
xpurkyx 7 months ago
so when metallica 'sold out' on st. anger they didn't actually because everyone hated it?
eddygrocks2008 7 months ago
Im in agrreance 100 percent you really cant sell out now. i still buy albums and download legally which i think u should because if your a fanof music why would you try to rip off the artist that you love it makes no since to me so no because of all the jag offs that illegaly get music and all that shit its hard to make money and you have to live so u look to anybody that will help so no you cant really sell out these days
kkidwell13 7 months ago
i think you can sellout when you start puposely pushing your music for a mainstream audience. take nickelback for example, all you guys here know nickelback, back in the early 90s they had kind of a underground grunge thing going on, they were a pretty decent band, and then they had a really big radio hit, it was a number 1 pop hit in 2 countrys i believe, and ever since then everything they write is marketed towards a mainstream audience
Haveada 7 months ago
When I think of sell out I think of Metallica. Only because of the way they carried on about piracy. They have sold over 90 million albums and made shit loads of money before the illegal down loads were possible. I would understand if a small band or a band with little cash behind them cracking up about piracy but when you have more then enough money to survive for the rest of your life you should l not carry on like you are dirt poor because of the Internet.
MrHubb1 7 months ago
@MrHubb1 That I think was more a matter of principle, and I totally understand them for that, I'm against piracy too. Besides protecting their work got nothing what-so-ever to do with "selling out" man.
Are you saying that because Metallica have made so much money they should just accept it that people take their music ( which they have spent alot of time and effort to make btw) and spread it around so thousands of people can get it? It does not matter what band it is, piracy is wrong anyways.
PetraRocks100 7 months ago
I understand why a band would sell their music for a commercial or something like that. Its not always a bad thing. Promotion is great. Sammy I had never heard of The Horrors until you mentioned their Skying release. I was curious so I t listened to samples on line then bought the cd .
MrHubb1 7 months ago
I 100% agree with your video, but just things like green day for example, going all the way from the punk undergrounds to making Broadway musicals is just not right, its not selling out if your trying to make music, but it is selling out if you just want to make money
ddrum121 7 months ago
Yeah I believe you can still sell out. If you perform exclusively for the money, meaning you create something with no artistic value to it and are just doing it to obtain a profit then yeah I would believe thats selling out. A lot of people confuse changing up a musical styling as selling out which is wrong. If a band stays the same for their entire career they become boring and bland. If they keep it real and maintain an artistic quality then thats all that should matter, indie or major.
katokingu 7 months ago
Commercials aren't selling out, It's not changing their music, if the media affects your music then you sell out
downrodeo2112 7 months ago
no, bands can't sell out anymore, I agree. except weezer. I don't think anything needs to be said there.
MrCrowley1018 7 months ago
yes.. but no. I agree bands have to make a living any way they can now-a-days, but there should be a standard. NO BAND SHOULD EVER BE ON GLEE ... ever! And for all you people who say any band licencing their music to tv movies or other things is automatically a sellout, then maybe you should support them and BUY their cd instead of stealing it off the internet.
GNRfan6189 7 months ago
Weezer's a sell out. Have you seen the "axe concert thing" they did, rivers stops sing to apply (and sell) the axe spray. Then they name their next album after a company (ya they said it was for Hurley from lost but tht was just a load of bs)
Jayanchor9595 7 months ago 2
Rock and Roll isn't about making money. If you think it is, put down your guitar and find another career. Rock and Roll is one of the only saviours for the underdog. If we give it to the corporations, it becomes nothing but cheap candy for the masses. I remember a time when rock music was a device to criticise and talk down at society, whatever happened to that?
GuitarGuy5000000000 7 months ago
Sami, oh, Sami. Of course anyone CAN sell out in music. But they WON'T. If a band, say Interpol, one day decided they wanted to completely sell out, they could go ahead and sell all of their songs to Wal-Mart or whatever and their souls to Satan. But they won't. Why? Because they wouldn't make money, and money makes the world go round. It's unorthodox and idiotic to sell-out. But then again, that term is overused so much it makes me want to whip myself.
cometogether21 7 months ago
I don't think what you're talking about is selling out. To me, a sell out is a band that makes a certain type of music but then changes that music to something more pop orientated because it will get them more popular. If the music a band makes on their own BECOMES popular, or works in commercials or tv shows, then good for them. They didn't sell out, they're making money.
SoSaidtheSun 7 months ago
I agree with you completely if selling out means being able to buy better equipment, have a better tour bus, have better promotions, be able to play shows in more places,be able to have merchandise, being able to put out your records in more stores,being on commercials and being a paid more,being on a label that will pay you more for your hard work then yes I would rather be a sellout any day errday,
Spiderfan92 7 months ago
I agree 100%.
nowiknowforsure 7 months ago
gotta rock but gotta sustain life, sure you hear the song in the mainstream media, so does somebody else and therefore the interest of the band transfers to someone else, kinda like the you tell 2 and each of those people tell 2 people and on and on and on to never never never land, thats what i think at least
elecTRONiINDY 7 months ago
I think as long as the bands still love playing the music they haven't sold out so as long as the music still love in in it or hate which either depends on the genre the band is not a sellout
0995pollo 7 months ago
Man up, by an album...if you like a band by there freaking album...or get it legally.
And the Black Keys pretty much got there start from commercials
uvebeentagged 7 months ago
I bought Dream Theater's last album yesterday. For what it's worth.
bozzioisgod44 7 months ago
I think there is a difference between trying to make money and selling out. trying to make money means to still put your heart and hard work into your music, but not have any problem selling your song a comercial. after all, bands need money. selling out is not making music how you want, but making it to please advertisers and mainstream listeners. also, music isnt good based on how much its listened to. if one of radioheads songs got popular i woulndt hate them because there "to mainstream"
FANCYBREADmusic 7 months ago 52
lovin the backround Sami are you going to use it in other videos if so that'd be awesome!
NBKBTK 7 months ago
sounds lovely
kalamakan 7 months ago
I think you can still sell out by changing up your original sound or your former image. Basically to TRY and sell more to a general audience to make more money. Prime example Green Day. Started wearing mascara and button shirts with red ties and all of a sudden had a political edge to them. When the album before that they dressed up like stoner's and play punk rock they've been playing since the early 90s. Now they have they're own broadway musical??? Yeah.... that's selling out to me.
zakryan79 7 months ago
i hate when people blame bands of selling out. it's stupid your mad because they wanna get paid for their music. i'd be the biggest sell out in the world if i were in a band
bwtgohard 7 months ago
I think the only way a band can sell out these days is if they dumb down their music to appeal to the people that listen to average crappy pop radio. A band that I consider a sell out are Kings of Leon, their first two records are great but anything after that just does not give their loyal fans any reason to continue listening to them and at that point, the rest of their music is just for a paycheck and not for personal satisfaction. That's when I lose all respect for the band.
MrSpacegnome 7 months ago 2
when you do what you want to do for a living you are indeed a sell out
rockypc24 7 months ago
I never really consider any artist a sell out, because I couldn't care at all where they put there music. If I like them, I'll listen to them, if not, I won't. I actually find it kinda cool when I hear someone I like on a commercial. It doesn't happen that often, mainly due to the fact that the kind of music I like is overlooked a lot. But either way, I don't care.
Divinescaper 7 months ago
I hate bands put their songs on an advertisement. I cannot stand it because not only does it spoil the songs from over playing it, it also makes you associate the song with whatever the hell product they're flogging. I understand the music industry is harder to make money in than ever nowadays..but if I were in a signed band I would never use my song to sell some random product. Appearing on shows like late night.. I dont really see how thats selling out, its just promoting your songs.
MrSpideyAG 7 months ago
meh, idk. RIO !
Frimf 7 months ago
I hate the term "Sell Out" is it so bad that a band might want to make more money or get a larger fan base?
RockMetal1210 7 months ago
selling out is now acceptable i dont see why it shouldnt people would go crazy cause they are but the reason they do it is because of them i mean hey if peope would be downloading my album for 0.99$ legally instead of buying it from a music store i wouldnt give a flying fuck if they would call me sell out cause even if its for the music you still gotta make a living out of it if every band decided not to sell out a few times then you wont hear of them anymore cause they wouldnt have any cash
crystalroy 7 months ago
It's the matter of writing songs that are trying TOO hard to GRASP at money. It's okay if my favorite band writes poppier songs, but when they keep on using the same formula over and over or write about partying all night and getting bitches, that's when they sell out.
wittlekenny 7 months ago
weezer.
skippingboy123 7 months ago
then if you sell 1 copy of your album or you have 100 views of your song on youtube you're a sell out??? c'mon people some bands take the music as a job, and they have to survive somehow, lucky for us that they choose being musicians as their jobs so we can enjoy their music.
andresgiovanelliarg 7 months ago
I think youve made a very good point there man
madmike078 7 months ago
Can yu Sell Out? No matter Rock or Hip Hop, I believe no, depends what yu believe in. Yu want everyone to listen to YOUR music. Do yur own thing. Yu want money? Like the old saying goes sell yourself to the Devil. Its only yur Idea, yur Morals, yur Dreams. You Choose.
huamanJR 7 months ago
I pretty much agree with you. I don't really like downloading albums from the bands I listen to, because I want them to be able to continue making the music I love, but every record store in my town has actually closed or does only sell Miley Cyrus and Taylor Swift so getting my hands on the CD's I want is not easy anymore. But then again I order what I can of CD's and merch and concert tickets of course, just too bad nobody has shows in Norway..
Tunipz 7 months ago
When you start making decisions about what music to put out based on what will sell rather than what you want to do you have sold out to an extent. As long as you are making music you like then you aren't selling out.
Sometimes their tastes more closer to the mainstream. Sometimes the mainstream moves closer to their tastes. I find that irrelevant.. I also find using things like adverts/shows to diseminate your music harmless. How else can you get music on TV?
GDFullOn 7 months ago
QOTD: Yes, Metallica, U2,... I'm talking about major ones AND not to forget those engineered bands and "artists" by DIsney etc, they were only made to make money :p There's nothing artistic about saying the word baby 50 times in each chorus
BinRandom 7 months ago
I never really believed in the whole "selling out" thing, I mean, even if your music is used in commercials and such, as long as it is still your music and it's not like something you did specifically for that commercial, then I'm totally fine with it.
The line for me is if they do like a jingle or something that isn't their original song.
But yeah, in today's world you gotta make money in all of the possible ways you can. I can totally understand that.
kassemir 7 months ago
30 secounds to mars sold out already well known before they went to pop
HoldYourColourZ 7 months ago
EVERYONE can sell out. It doesn't matter how much money you're making. Selling out just means giving up your morals / what you believe in exchange for money. But it isn't selling out just because you put your song in an advertisement
safte7860 7 months ago
if bands appear on the radio or on tv shows then that just means that they are getting popular. more people like them and thats why they appear. they dont sell out.
animebaka129 7 months ago
There are quite a few bands who are selling out by making music for the more 'mainstream' crowd, example : Muse. I loved them so much and they already have a LOT of money, they have world-wide popularity and they aren't in need of being more popular. YET they are selling their songs to movies and such. I think indie bands are just trying to make their name, and I have nothing against it. But when they get popular, it should be about the music.
heartcrossbonez 7 months ago
People think Rise Against sold out because their songs are appearing on the radio a couple of times... I think people just love to find reasons to hate stuff, even stuff they like.
TheIzabot 7 months ago
No
diablo9333 7 months ago
@RockItOutBlog, it really depends on the band, for example: Tool. A prog rock band that sticks to their strong lyrics. And most people wouldn't listen to them because their "weird" or their not their precious Lil Wayne, Eminem, or Kid Cudi. F*ck those rap artists, those are sellouts they talk about a lot of stuff that they DONT do, I like Folk rock, Prog rock, Grunge rock, Some Indie, and Experimental rock. I try not to listen to bands such as: Rev Theory, Hinder, etc. The radio rock music sucks
BigRockMusicFan 7 months ago
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BigRockMusicFan 7 months ago
I'm going thought the same thing with my favorite band right now.....I love Seether and what they were......Now they changed their sound and are making "radio-play" music.....Not that I don't like it....I do but it's just not what I enjoyed them for.....But it has brought them to lots of new fans....
MandrewG 7 months ago
Okay my thoughts on this.....I say yes band can and do sell out! To me "sell out" means changing your sound just for radio play and or money! Changing the sound up for what made you in the first place. I hate it! I know I'm gonna get shit from this but one of the biggest is Metallica.....Listen to their old stuff....Great shit man...Heavy sweet sound....Then all of a sudden they had And Justice For All and the song One made it to the radio.....From there all their music went soft....
MandrewG 7 months ago
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tpawer3 7 months ago 22
@tpawer3 love you too
RockItOutBlog 7 months ago 10
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casmiry 7 months ago
stupid question but i can never find a good answer. do bands make money from people who download there songs legally but on like itunes and websites like that?
drjakim 7 months ago
YES!!!! I can say that you dont need to be in 8/10 commercials to eat and sleep for the night....... any band can servive on good music.... if they cant make that they picked the wroung profetion. bands that sellout loose the soul and emotion needed for good song righting and bands thats sell out fill the airwaves with SHIT that inspires new bands to form and play shit music to.... and so what if that band cant eat that night!!! an artist has to suffer for his art!!!!
ritalinrush 7 months ago
@ritalinrush then you go make music and get no money for food,gas, retuning equipment,etc. obviously there are bands who are total sellouts, especially on nick among other shows but understand there are other bands who desperatly need the money even if its just a little like 10 to 20$ but some cases bands sell out,other cases they keep true to their music even though they're on a major label (like the Beatles,Nirvana,Foo Fighters,Led Zeppelin,etc.)
idontknowhatname2put 7 months ago
@ritalinrush and then they die from malnourishment and you're left with no music to listen to. Awww, too bad. Atleast they didn't sell out, right?
Also they need to get money to be able to pay for recording sessions and touring, so where are they gonna get that from???
Also try and be a bit less excited when you type: you seem to be typing away like a maniac and you have 50 grammar/spelling mistakes in your comment.
adventerer 7 months ago
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ritalinrush 7 months ago
@adventerer allot of great musicans start up from nothing...living in crap naborhoods crashing at friends houses srapeing money from family and friends... this isnt africa if thay really need food that bad they can steal the bread or from the 300 grocery stores in every state. yes its roung and it sucks but if there good AND ORIGANAL. they will get were they wont to by them selves and not with the help of kay swiss hp printer and victoria secret... again an artist has to suffer for his art!!!!
ritalinrush 7 months ago
@ritalinrush So you basically want them to suffer for your own enjoyment, so that you can sit back in your comfy upper middle class house and listen to their music?
Look, the music industry doesn't pay the musicians anymore. They need other sources of revenue inorder to continue producing content. They need money for the tour bus, the recording sessions, the instruments... If they're down to stealing food it means that the last thing they have is money to produce art.
adventerer 7 months ago
@adventerer upper middle class!? I wish and this isnt a agrument of grammer or spelling ether.. i dont eat so i can buy cds and what i need to keep my band going because theres no way my dads paying for it. u just have to be tight with a dollar.. people said for a long ass time that the music industry sucks... i have friends and family that id probubly die of malnourishment without. thats all i need... 3 to 6 people with a good saving method can suport themselves well enoughf to play.
ritalinrush 7 months ago
@ritalinrush If you enjoy living in misery, great. Have fun. Let me just re direct you to @FANCYBREADmusic 's comment. Artists need to make a living after some while. If they live their whole life in misery but making music that doesn't get out there they've kind of wasted their life. If you think artists need to be martyrs go tell them that yourself, because I don't think a single band wants to feel miserable and live in eternal poverty.
adventerer 7 months ago
@adventerer you dont have a bad point..... but u can still sellout i wont to keep the music real and idk i just think poverty works for me X). its no problem man it just feels like the easy way out to me and my punk rock aditude dosnt wont to kiss the asses of the man. no disrespect bro but selling out just isnt right on my moral levels and if i only make it so far on my own i die with my pride and will live on with respect of many.
ritalinrush 7 months ago
Well I think if you sign to a major record label and you're thinking 'Fuck Yeah, I'm Rich', well ofcourse you're selling out, but what most rock and indie artists are thinking when they sign is probably 'more publicly means more fans, means the band gets bigger and we're not stuck playing shows to 50 people anymore'
RockerReece 7 months ago
I think If your an Indie band and your song is on a commercial its not a big deal, but I think If their "mainstream" selling out is worse because they already have a shit load of money. But I dont think It is ever really a bad thing for any artists music to be on tv. Indie bands need money too and as long as they dont compromise the music its all good with me.
TerminalToMyMind 7 months ago
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TerminalToMyMind 7 months ago
I don't really think they can sell out. Like you said, They have to make their living somehow. I once saw a Pie Graph that showed a bands avg Revenue. like 20% came from album sales. 30% came from Merchandise and a Whopping 50% came from Live Gigs. So if a Band, Like Muse, My fav Band 3v4R, Decided to Release their Music via the Twilight albums, I don't think its so bad. I mean, How else are you gonna get your music out to a Different Continent where people don't even know your music that well?
KYUBIMATIAS 7 months ago
yes and no, i think that bands who are selling their songs to ads and films etc. are not selling out, because they are still staying true to their music but making extra money from it, but i still think bands can sell out, for example, when a metal band decide to stop playing metal and play the same mass produced metalcore crap that loads of other bands are playing because its worked out for the other bands, then yes, that is selling out
ShredLikeYouMeanIt1 7 months ago
I can be ur friend sam
escapetoamerica 7 months ago
@escapetoamerica of course you can be my friend
RockItOutBlog 7 months ago
I consider selling out when you compromise your fans for money.
In general these days, I agree... they have to make the money somewhere.
jordo1441 7 months ago
totally agree with sami on this one (for a change i think)
96Dethmagnetic 7 months ago
@96Dethmagnetic nice!
RockItOutBlog 7 months ago
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pharlap1234 7 months ago
selling out is doing what you dont do for the money
finlaycarlon 7 months ago
I hate it when people call bands sell outs. Like Avenged Sevenfold, They're drummer died! he has like a brother to all of them in the band. Its not called selling out, I think they've improved
PS3GuitarMan 7 months ago
You can only really be a 'sell out' now if you preach anti-conformity, anti-corporate and anti-mainstream messages...only to sell your music to a commercial or something. 'Selling out' is still all about hypocrisy and insincerity.
tristessa56079 7 months ago
Indie and mainstream media have integrated, so it is virtually impossible for an indie band to "sell out". I mean, MTV plays at least 3 indie songs on each episode of each of their shows!
kooldawgdizzle 7 months ago
i think you can be a sellout but you especially are if you're particularly trying to make selling albums as oppose to what you are and stand for
jesfeuryty 7 months ago
No you can't- well, unless you REAAAAAALLY fucking try to. If you have music that you like, that other people like, and that large corporations want to use on, say, a commercial, that's fine. I mean, if a company sell or support something you really hate, maybe then it would be a bit weird to let them use your music. But for the most part, it's fine. And appearing on talk shows? What's wrong with that? Nothing. People are too quick to assign the "SELL OUT!" label to bands these days.
mouldyteabag 7 months ago
if you are inspired by making money and change your message and song to make more money you have sold out, if your a vegan band who does a maccas add you sold out, if your anti war and do adds for car companies, its all depends on the band and there message
pentagramrises 7 months ago
Sami, can you please stop shouting at me in the title? It looks bad and unprofessional.
slipknotmaggot4eva1 7 months ago
@slipknotmaggot4eva1 ummm....earplugs work
RockItOutBlog 7 months ago
yes you can lets say you play like slayer music then you change your style to poprock just to make more money thats is a sell out...
666ChannelNotFound 7 months ago
surley all bands start so they can be famous and have lots of money so is it selling out?
Mavarik 7 months ago
A7X-An example of a band that you can say "sold out" however there are more fans then before and pretty much the only song A7X fans can name from back when A7X were Metalcore is "Unholy Confessions", because A7X Still play that song, in concerts
LindsayHands 7 months ago
if business doesn't replace art, it's acceptable. it still is what it is, no need to play it down
holybigbang 7 months ago
Selling out in my eyes is when you make the music that the record company TELL you to go off and make, as opposed to the record you WANT to make (See Kings of Leon). Theres nothing wrong with making your music more accessible, but when your doing it just to chase the almighty dollar, that's when you have to question if you still function as a credible musician, and not some grotesque caricature...
TJCmartin 7 months ago
Selling out to what? Nearly everyone here has totally missed the point. You are only selling out if you do something like: preach about how selling music with record companies is wrong, then go and sell a bunch of records. Bands don't do this. Rage in a way "sold out" because their is hypocrisy in their message/actions - but who gives a shit because their songs are awesome.
Ughhhh stupid stupid people
corpsemunger 7 months ago
Yea, I download my music and I am proud of it. Do you guys know why? Because music was free even before the internet came. To this times you could get free music over the radio and stuff all day long. I don't know how the things are in your country, but ther is not even one singele fucking radio channel here in Austria which comes even close to my taste in music. So I just have to get my stuff somewhere else...
Nirvaaanaa 7 months ago
@Nirvaaanaa this is the argument Ed from Radiohead brought up.
Nirvaaanaa 7 months ago
@Nirvaaanaa That doesn't stop you from buying a record every so often.
illistas 7 months ago
KEEP THE SHIRT!!
FooFighterFix 7 months ago
I think you can still "sell out", I support doing ads and publicity stuff for sure, it's great in my opinion, but changing your music solely to be more commercial, I dont dig that.
MetalLeg73 7 months ago
I like this type of episode.
VloggerWill 7 months ago