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  • too creepy for me!

  • jh like it very orgastic

  • just finished it a second ago,i have to admit, i was very scared (well the movie itself wasn't very scary as i thought it would be),good film but leaves me two question "what is Timeserved?" second "does emily grave really exist? if so where is it?" thats all

  • @godjason12 its noty emily rose, its Annalise Michel

  • @lucretia4586 or sorry about,why wont they use this name instead? thats a third question i want to know

  • i'm about to see this very soon.......at midnight i hope i won't get nightmares 0.o

  • Horror my ass. And based on a true story... What story? A story of a mentally ill girl who got "treated" by a priest.. Those parents and priest should be in jail.

  • it the devil shoot it

  • i thought demons were kept in hell... nothing but a gun would have solved this problem

  • @PsiloCybinDreamX but what if they could rid the demon of her body? thats just killing "Emily" and letting Satan get away with something and go onto another victom.

  • 666

  • @purebrutalgore fuck of

  • @TVD1able fuck yeahhhh and you're fucking gay ............Fuck off religion 696

  • OMG my name is EMILY ROSE

  • @emsierocks1 oh? really? 

  • Gotta love the little laugh when they begin xD Kinda creepy but makes me laugh.

  • Sadly they didn't have good cameras back then but the real recording is on YouTube

  • AND OF COURSE I DECIDE TO WATCH THIS MORNING?!?!

  • @AliviaMadison its not real but you force yourself to think its fake?

  • 3:08 fuckin metal!!

  • @AliviaMadison ok.. thx..... but they said she is ill and they thought she's possessed

  • READ: Please know that all those "haunted" things are fake. People will do like they are demonic because they have a special illness. Something in your brain is broken so you will not be able to control yourself and you will do things randomly: screaming, punching, kicking and yelling. This was at "Is it real?" at nat. geographic. You can better trust me, because it is always an illness. People say priests can fix it, but how? Nobody knows how they fix their brain. While people think its demonic

  • @DJRefive its funny how u call it a special illness without naming an actual illness. On occasions where people see things, hear things and feel things can actually happen. Before an exercism is performed they are undergone a physchological analyses where they examine and treat the patient. There are times where there is no "special illness" found and treatment does not work. And when preist perform exercisms they don't "fix their brain" they detatch the deamon from their body mind and soul.

  • @DJRefive and why should we trust you? what is your perfession? you arent a psychologist/physchiatrist because they would name mental illnesses that would cause changes in behaviour. eg Dissociative identity disorder, schizophrenia, etc. And you have no idea about religion as you think priests fix their brain. BTW when you said "something in your brain is broken" i literally laughed coz u have no idea what ur on about. I dont beleive in god but i do beleive in logical arguements.

  • All i have to say is this actress did an awesome job! You can tell she was dedicated in this role a bit more theatrical but she nailed it. She gave me chills with that scream so was a bit creeped out and turned on at the same time. As for the idiots who say Satan himself is caring? The only one satan ever cared for is himself, hence why he was cast out of heaven. Think about it first

  • what was thing she threw

  • What a great actress!

  • is this real?

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush

    The whole movie is about, Anneliese Michel, no such thing as emily rose,they just made up a name up the movie

  • @MyJesswest oh, ok.... thx

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush The movie is loosely based on the events of Anneliese Michel, who was possessed by a demon.

  • @spudmuffin99 yeah.. i know already.. but thanks.... they said she's ill and she was not given medical treatment that's why she died

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush how could you possibly think this is real?

  • @danielinsporto that's why i'm askin.. what's the use of askin if i already know?

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush yeah i know you didnt realize this was a movie, but i mean, its just so obvious that it is one..i mean it says "Based on a true story" in big white letters at the start of the video, the music, the camera shots, the famous actors. im just amazed someone would actually think this was real footage, thats all.

  • @danielinsporto oh,ok... thx 4 the info.. =)

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush It's supposedly based on an event that occured in 1970.

  • @MrCoolio1408 oh,ok .. =)

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush they have actual audio tapes from it.

  • @MrCoolio1408 oh, ok.. thx =)

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush ya this movie is made based from a true story

  • @ganjyeson thx for the info... =)

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush Lmao.. It's based on a true story if that is what you mean.

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush yes its made by true story

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush Yes a movie based on a real story

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush yes this is based on a true story

  • @bheyzlovebigtimerush based on annelise michael. look it up

  • satan is caring? are you crazy? no hes not.. maybe a priest should do an excorsit on you.... seems like the devil is in you to say that! go to hell. that sounds like your coming from there anyway! your crazy... god is not satan! lets see who goes to hell in the end of the world! that would be you!

  • satan is caring? are you crazy? no hes not.. maybe a priest should do an excorsit on you.... seems like the devil is in you to say that! go to hell. that sounds like your coming from there anyway!

  • the exorcism of Emily Rose only the good parts...that is that video.

  • @whatinspiresyou2829 I read your comment again and I'm sorry. It's hard to read your comments because you are using hardly any punctuation at all. :D I browsed the Internet for more info about Emily Rose life and death. In the movie she got possessed in like 1 month, while in reality she suffered for years. Now, if a man goes through these tiresome exorcisms for such a long period, that will take it's tall. Ultimately, I think, her parents and priests were too neglectful of her real condition.

  • @whatinspiresyou2829 You said Satan is caring.. are you religious?

  • @whatinspiresyou2829 One question. Are You on drugs?

  • I hate long comments...

  • Anneliese Michel was being brainwashed and steered by the German BND which is the renamed GESTAPO. Check out my channel and homepage. The aim was to make religion appear dangerous or ridiculous. In the first half of 2010 3 Bishops had been thrown out because of cases constructed by the German secret services. At this time they are after the fourth. Todays Germany is worse than any communist state ever was. There are also rumours that one Bishop was assassinated a few years ago.

  • i dont like the way the syuting saked

  • at last time she said arabic numbers ( Belial )

  • @dawoodxx You should know that Belial is one of the four crown princes of Hell and a demon in the Bible, as well as in the Jewish and Christian apocrypha.

  • WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WHAT THE FUCKIN HELL!!

  • lol the cat pushed him over what a puff lol

  • What the fuck!!!

  • wow scary

  • yur so gothic... i wud be yur willing first victim on dominating the whole world....6 names... lucifer was da coolest..

  • Dexter Where R U ?

  • I'm....I'm....speechless....I ..... Wow I never get scared of anything but I'm shaking right now. Thank GOD I pray.

  • that actress was really believeable, dang.

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  • @106141214 you didnt make any sense lol

  • she would be a great screamo singer!

  • omg emily tut mir soo leid :(

    ich glaube wen es echt wehre hette ich immer angst es zu bekommen :(

  • Real exorcism in greece-Real footage

  • come watch with me..rily superb...:)

  • church of fudge?

  • if the familey of emiley bring her to a muslim shaik he will burn all those demons even if they were 20

  • That time of month?

  • Demons are real, whether you believe in them or not. The Devil is real. I remember when i would see a man, no one else saw him, and one night i literally went crazy. No one believed me, so my mom made me stay in my room to make sure it wasnt anything i was watching/reading. But one day, when the people that didnt believe me were over for a BBQ I was downstairs i saw him standing by the wall, and i had said: He is down here. Again no one believed me. Until a picture flew off the wall. now they do

  • @ZaraSovereign and then you woke up and realised you were dreaming the whole thing?.. nice story bro, but that's pretty much it ;)

  • hoyl crap im gonna lose some sleep after this ._.

  • wonder why they just don´t kill the bitch.. problem solved.. or knock her out and give her some pills etc.. all that religious mumbo jumbo bullshit.. just kick her ass, she´ll stop talking that bullshit ;)

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje yeah let's just piss off all 6 of those short-tempered, proud creatures with UNLIMITED strength and power and mess with them and try to just cover up everything with drugs, eh? Sounds like a great idea. Now I'll go lay down in a haunted graveyard while you do that, I'll race you to Death! Last one there's a rotten egg! Whoever gets possessed gets 50 points!

  • @Xirokami Sounds like a plan.. wanna bet nothing happens and we will be just sitting there.. pretty much doing nothing?.. but hey.. deal!

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje ah, man, unfortunately this shit's real. this chick was real, she was german. it sounds crazy, i know, but demons are real. it's not just a ghost story.

  • @Xirokami Oh don't get me wrong, she was real sure and she was indeed german, it's loosly based on a "real" story, not to quote a cheesy vampire, but you can google it..

    As for the demon part.. probably not.. Anneliese Michel (the german girl of which it was loosly based on) had epileptic schizofrenia.. or atleast the epileptic part and was in fact very sick.. no demons and shit, just your average fucked up brain.. but in that age, being posessed was better than being crazy..

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje

    to you? epileptic schizophrenia ... so tell me how can speak Aramaic?

  • @angelina100000 Did she speak aramaic? Did she really speak Aramaic or did she in the best case scenario only say a couple of words?.. She could've picked that up everywhere, school, books etc.. the human brain is capable of collecting and storing all kind of crappy shit you'd normally never use.. sorry to burst your bubble kid, but probably no demons ;)

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje so how the fuck did things start moving on there own. how did the light go off in her room.

  • @umarpatelful It's a movie.. special effects.. doh.. -.-' if you mean why did they turn on and off in real life, perhaps bad wiring, perhaps just a glitch in the system, perhaps a lightbulb that's on the brink of saying poof.. many, many options, none of which include demons and/or paranormal activity what so ever..

    Besides.. did the lights really go on and off? perhaps.. was it paranormal?.. highly doubt it..

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje bro, i was joking , calm down no need to go ape shit on me

  • @umarpatelful Right.. there is no shame in saying you were wrong or believed in something that makes no sense ;).. I was like that myself when I was around 11 or something.. so, there is no shame buddy.. ;)

  • @dumilfreshbrillertje no seriously i was joking.

  • @umarpatelful ah okay, nice joke I guess.. :) cheers

  • The Exorcist was also based on a real story ....but it was a boy not a girl like in the movie.

  • @ecftube actually it wuz a girl her name wus anneliese michel

  • @ecftube no no sir.... it was neither girl or boy it was a tranny cow... fucking idiotic spick gtfo

  • @LawrenceLugar1

    You know this movie is based on true events right? 1973 Exorcism movie is a fictional story.

    A lot of people from around the world go to Anneliese Michel's grave to pay her visits

  • 06:11 - Prawie jak breakdance :D

  • I'd hate waking up to this shit

  • after you die (Thus not being able to get confirmation whether my claims are true), you would be way more inclined to believe my claim. It's the most basic psychological trick. When I read a book which is supposed to be inspired by a perfect/divine being I don't expect there to be verses like Deut 25:11-12 Col 3:22-24 Ex 21:20-21 Lev 20:13 Ex 35:2 Tim 2:11-12 which support slavery, sexism, command people to be "put to death" and not understand homosexuality and punish people for it
  • @ModeLTU

    "after you die (Thus not being able to get confirmation whether my claims are true), "

    Have no idea what your talking about here. If your not one of God's elect when you die you will simply cease to exist, there is no place of eternal torment thats not what Hell is. "Hell" is a reference to being under the condemnation of God and refers to the grave. The Bible speaks of it as the second death, which is basically describing no life in Christ = death. Believers are instantly w/God.

  • @Uaz31

    Cont...

    Slaves are what the Egyptians did to the Hebrew people and entailed torture and restriction of basic human rights. While bond servants were expected to follow the Hebrew laws yet were treated with dignity, the Egyptians treated the Hebrew people as animals, even worse and is why God lead His people out of bondage and destroyed the Egyptian captors. God in no way supports slavery, you misinformed.

  • @Uaz31 "Have no idea what your talking about here".What I'm talking about is the fact that YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY PROOF THAT WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BIBLE IS TRUE.NO PROOF.NONE WHATSOEVER.I know that to you your 'proof' is faith.That doesn't qualify as proof under simple logic in 21st century.

    What I meant was that the trick religions use is to make people fear what happens after death.How do they do that?By making you fear that you will be punished after you die by not 'seeing God'

  • @Uaz31 knowing that no one can truly verify if that's true or not, because, well, when a person dies he cannot contact us and tell whether he really is in heaven or hell or whatever.

    That's the whole fucking trick and it works extremely well on gullible people.You redirected sexism issue by trying to convert it into homosexuality issue.The fact IS that bible says that "no woman may have authority over man".THAT IS PURE DEFINITION OF SEXISM you moron.

  • @ModeLTU

    "I don't expect there to be verses like..."

    First of all Bible doesn't condone slavery it condemns it as well as sexism. What you fail to understand is the difference between a bond servant and a slave. Bond servants were like family and treated as such by the Hebrews, it was not unlike a job and they pay was room and board, they were also released from duties after 7 years unless they decided to be permanent members of the family then they were branded.

  • @Uaz31 NO, you can't just fucking sidestep the real issue there. “Anyone who beats their male or female slave with a rod must be punished if the slave dies as a direct result, but they are not to be punished if the slave recovers after a day or two, since the slave is their property."

    Bible says stuff like this. Why couldn't an all-loving and understanding God simply say "Slavery is wrong, one man shall not be a property of another man", same way murder or stealing was condemned?

  • @Uaz31 Just the fact that God needed to adjust his morals to the people who lived at that time shows to me that it wasn't God at all. What Bible "teaches" towards slavery is that slaves are supposed to be submissive to their masters, because they will be rewarded AFTER they die and that's EXACTLY what I would say if I wanted my slaves to remain silent and think that it's perfectly okay that their are a property.

  • @ModeLTU

    cont...

    As for sexism, thats not found in the Bible either. God created man and woman equal in regards to them both being human but gave them different roles defined by their sex. Its not sexism that a man is the head of the household or that a woman loves and supports her husband. This is the reason homosexuality as u mentioned is condemned. It reverses the roles God established for mankind and is thus an abomination. Its should be regarded the same as bestiality.

  • @Uaz31 Why aren't we executing people nowadays if they 'sin'?Why aren't we executing people if commit a minor sin, like working on 'holy sabbath'? GOD TOLD US TO DO THAT, DIDN'T HE?

    You can't just say that new testament made laws in old testament 'not enforced as much'.Why?Because OT is GOD'S WORD.The perfect being's who is omnipotent/omniscient.He CANNOT be wrong. He's not human whose opinions can be right in some cases and wrong in others.

  • @ModeLTU

    cont...

    As for the "put to death" part, yes execution was very much a part of the OT laws as God was making Israel a physical illustration of the kingdom of God on Earth and the wages of sin is death. In order to keep Israel right with God sin had to be purged from amongst them and not just allowed to fester in any sense, which makes sense and when you know execution is the punishment its alot less likely for such crimes to happen.

  • @ModeLTU

    cont...

    The NT (new covenant) is marked by Christ's sacrafice and ended all the external representations such as animal sacrafices ect. that were meering pointing to the Christ as the lamb of God. Ceremonial laws ended and then began the covenant of God's great grace and mercy on mankind. The law of God was still to be kept but it was no longer enforced in as much. He was laying down His life & showing mercy by allowing sin, yet knowing it would ultimately bring forth judgement.

  • @Uaz31 You know what's MY logical reasoning why NT is that much less cruel and fucked up?Because people who started writing NT realized that they cannot get away with such barbaric practices anymore, so they had to make it all seem more 'good'. Smarter people realize that you can't just fucking evade the issue that way. If you claim that this Book was God's work you better not present me a book which any modern man who isn't conditioned to be afraid not to believe, will see as primitive work

  • @Uaz31 "You obviously have a vague understanding of what the Bible teaches." What I meant was that the reason to even consider Bible the word of a supreme and divine being is because not believing that it is, automatically make you liable to go to hell (or as modern christians say "not see God").If I told you that you must believe that events in lord of the rings actually happened, you would say that I'm dumb.If I told you that if you don't believe that LOTR was real, you will be punished

  • @ModeLTU

    "not believing that it is, automatically make you liable to go to hell"

    If your not one of God's elect then yes you will automatically be condemned to the second death, however, the keeping of God's law to any degree will always bring forth God's blessing to some extent and is part of His mercy on mankind. Therefore the condemnation part of "Hell" or "Hellfire" with exception of the second death can be avoided to an extent by adhering to the law, even if one is not elect of God.

  • @Uaz31 "If your not one of God's elect then yes you will automatically be condemned to the second death,". Well, that's my whole point. The only reason to believe is the fear that you won't get eternal life after dying/won't meet your dead relatives etc.. Which you cannot CONFIRM in any way (look at my previous messages). That's the whole trick. You don't have to have a degree in psychology to understand that.

    It feeds on the fear of the unknown and claims to have rewards without any PROOF

  • @ModeLTU

    cont..

    The problem is that only God's elect will truely have a ongoing desire to do and know the will of God. Those who are not His people will ultimately reject God even tho they may acknowledge Him to some extent and that is because they really don't want God they want to adhere to their own reasoning so they never really seek Him wholeheartedly. They were never really God's people and were sowed in discourse by Satan through original sin.

  • @Uaz31 "Not a single shred".DUDE, wake up.Evolution is taught as a fact, because it is a widely accepted fact, same way theory of gravity is.Just because YOU choose to not accept it and haven't researched how macro evolution works doesn't make it not real.

    We can't observe age of earth either, but when scientists test it using various different methods, we get an approximately same result.Those folks who try to shoot down evolution are considered a joke among scientific community

  • @ModeLTU

    "Evolution is taught as a fact, because it is a widely accepted fact"

    Your point is?... Just because people believe something is true doesn't make it true.

    "and haven't researched how macro evolution works..."

    I have researched the subject throughly, all the claims for "macro evilution" are nothing but micro variations in the same kinds of animals, never is there a single example of variation links from one kind of animal to another. Its a complete faith based proposal.

  • @Uaz31 The funniest thing with people like you is that if something cannot be explained completely, you will automatically turn to the "GOD DID IT!" 'answer'. The current theory which explains how we ended up here is the theory of evolution, which 99% of scientific world accepts as a fact. Even if evolution was disproven (WHICH IT WASN'T, regardless of what you think), it doesn't make bible true. It just means we haven't found the real answer.

  • @ModeLTU

    cont...

    "We can't observe age of earth either, but when scientists test it using various different methods, we get an approximately same result."

    You contradict yourself here.. if we can't observe the age of the Earth how the Hell can anyone observe it by testing? Also the method they use, radiometric dating, is not accurate past known history being approx. 3000 B.C. as they assume decay rates have always been constant. Even within known history its not an exact science.

  • @Uaz31 Oh, wait.So you're actually one of those guys who ACTUALLY believes that earth isn't billions of years old and you "back it up" by spewing some nonsense which you found on one of bible sites?

    Sure, there are articles which try to disprove what the rest of the world accepts as a fact.That doesn't make them real. I WANT YOU TO START GIVING ME SOURCES.I will not be satisfied with random quotes you give me anymore.I want you to give a link to an article or whatever where it's "proven"

  • @Uaz31 that radiometric dating is inaccurate. I know for a fact that those articles are written by a bunch of idiots who don't understand anything, but I want you to start posting links so that I could disprove them.

    Seriously, I know how hard you want to make yourself believe that there is eternal life. But you're just being pathetic at this point.

  • @ModeLTU

    cont...

    "Those folks who try to shoot down evolution are considered a joke among scientific community"

    Amongst the majority of the secular scientific community yes. But there is not a complete consensus even in those circles. Many secular scientists completely disagree with evilution based solely on the lack of any real concrete evidence to support such a claim. Its not just the creationists, evilutionary ideology is on the downfall too as its becoming less popular.

  • @Uaz31 Can you at least spell evolution properly? I swear, every single one of guys I argue with have some spelling problems. And it doesn't seem like a typo either, because you're making that mistake every single time. Evolution is not on a fucking downfall. You're just talking out of your ass hoping that I will back off. NO. It doesn't work like that. And as I mentioned, even if evolution was disproven as a theory, Why the hell is Bible supposed to be the "alternative"?

  • i know the first 4 names judas,leion,belial, and lucife but what is nero and cain mean?

  • The best part is that the demons talked in their own native languages while Lucifer talks in English, an international language. LOL

  • dammm shes would be good if she did screamo!

  • the funniest part is when she jumped through the window in the nightgown...

  • This is really good acting!

  • :)) :)) well done emily, you saved horses well done

  • :)) :)) she more shouting

  • 129 people who hated this, are people who are really SCARED ! ngan exen kan dirik buatbuat ngggak tauk.

  • When did she passed? Just wow..

  • "Oh shut the fuck up." **Priests bitch slaps Emily**

  • the scariest part is the fact tht this did happen to one poor soul and it could happen to any living soul

  • @Kauasaki1

    Can't happen to God's elect, were immune to demonic possession as God possesses His people. Demonic infuence yes, but not possession. This possession is exagerated, obviously as God's word does free even those who are not of God from bondage but its not some magic ritual, it is His word from the Bible that God works through to free people.

    Read and study the Bible it is truth and it is God's very word. It is life unto life for some and death unto death unto others.

  • @Uaz31 It's amazing and scary that there are people at 21st century who ACTUALLY believe that demons/angels/all that other BS is real..

  • @ModeLTU

    Why would it being the 21st century have any relevance on that? People believe we evolved from animals even tho thats been proven to be bs. Fact is there is a spiritual realm, call it what you will, but there is no denying the presence of supernatural forces to those who have experienced their presence. People are mislead to believe they are the dead spirits of people or aliens, ect. But God tells us in the Bible what they are, ministering spirits, who deceive so they can have power

  • @Uaz31 Omg..."People believe we evolved from animals even tho thats been proven to be bs"

    Where?On one of your bible sites?

    God may exist, the fuck do I know, but bible specifically is the biggest joke ever.Actually read what's written there.If a divine being actually inspired someone to write some of that stuff, we're fucked.

    Your definition of a "fact" is flawed.Of course you want to believe all that lore, if it's true it means you will have eternal life.You're inherently biased towards it

  • @ModeLTU

    Yes, they mention it of coarse on my "Bible sites" but science in general has also long since debunked any possibility of macro evilution. The foundation of the religion's cornerstone is mutations and mutations are never beneficial with exception of resistances which are a result of a loss of information in the genome not a gain. Micro variations are not macro evilution. The information needed to do such a thing, which would be egnormous, just plainly isn't there. Its not science.

  • @Uaz31 I know you want that eternal life, but it's time to wake up.Do you really want to get into the discussion about why Bible is not the word of omnipotent/omniscient being?The only reason to believe that is fear that not believing will send you to hell (or simply make you disappear after death), which are indoctrinated from the very young age and systematically taught to gain control over gullible people who can't deal with the unknown.

  • @ModeLTU

    Do I really want to get into discussion about the Bible?

    Sure guy. I'll help u understand best I can. Thought we already were tho.

    "The only reason to believe that is fear.."

    No, thats your only reason. Mine is faith which comes from a personal relationship with my creator. "which are indoctrinated from the very young age..."

    Not at all, I didn't become a true believer until I was in my twenties. You only show your ignorance on such matters.

  • @ModeLTU

    And no its not that I want to believe it, its because of the fact that I know its true that I believe it. Inherently we all rebel against the truth but recognize the need that can only come from God if we are His people. On the surface we all recognize the need for laws in general, however, without God's law we fall very short indeed.

    And yes, Im bias but everyone is bias to something. Im bias against that which is in opposition to the law of God namely sin.

  • @Uaz31 Really?Source, please.You're spewing nonsense backed up by some non-existent generalization that "science in general has also long since debunked any possibility of macro evolution".

    I mean, not accepting evolution is basically the same as not accepting theory of gravity at this day and age.Even if it wasn't accepted and had flaws (which it doesn't), what is it with people automatically turning to the other "obvious" choice, which is the supernatural/God/whatever?

  • @ModeLTU

    "Really?Source, please"

    Source? lol. Science is my source of coarse. The only nonsense is what your typing here. There is not a single shread of evidence for evilutionary processes and yet its taught as a fact. And willfully ignorant people such as yourself want to believe its true and so you cling to it and make it your religion, blindly and gulibly believing everything your told. They say things like micro variations is macro evilution but thats simply not true.

  • @Uaz31 You can't even spell evolution properly (at first I thought you made a typo, but you misspelled it every single time), I doubt you actually researched what it means.I don't make it my religion.It's the most obvious thing which makes sense and the theory which 99 percent of scientific world agrees upon.I don't know what are your sources, but they are outdated.We can't observe a lot of things.That doesn't mean that those speculations are wrong.

  • @ModeLTU

    "We can't observe a lot of things.That doesn't mean that those speculations are wrong."

    And yet you can't observe God as you would like yet you regard such "speculations" as wrong. Hypocrite.

  • @Uaz31 Wow, really? See, the things which you call speculations regarding evolution or other scientific concepts actually have data TO BACK THEM UP and they actually make sense logically. We can observe DNA among animals and see similarities between them and us etc. etc.

    I never said I know that God doesn't exist. However, the only source which claims that bible God exists is Bible. Which as you should understand a lot of people consider to be flawed beyond belief.

  • @ModeLTU

    "I mean, not accepting evolution is basically the same as not accepting theory of gravity.."

    Oh come on, what a cope out statement. Even tho gravity is in fact a theory the forces which are present are readibly observable even if that exact theory is incorrect. Evilutionary processes is an entirely different matter as its not observable and never has been, its based purely on speculation not facts.

  • @ModeLTU

    "what is it with people automatically turning to the other "obvious" choice"

    The one theory we can know is true is there is a God as science is nothing more than the exploration of God's creation.

  • @Uaz31 You believe that it's true based on WHAT?The ONLY 'proof' of God is the bible, which is highly flawed if you look at it by using common sense.If God actually inspired that book, he's an evil,egotistical and sadistic son of a bitch whose morals unbelievably outdated.

    In my mind an omnipotent and omniscient being is supposed to understand a little bit more, yet his viewpoints are identical to that of people who lived 2000+ years ago.No, you CAN'T take the good parts and ignore the bad ones

  • @ModeLTU

    I don't just believe its true, I know its true. The "proof" is God Himself who witnesses with our spirit through His word that we are indeed His elect. Unless God draws a person to Himself and gives them faith they cannot truely believe because their faith is dead. You say their is no proof because you have no faith, but you can't have faith unless God gives it. But aside from that their is "proof" of God in creation itself, as life cannot create itself, life can only come from life

  • @Uaz31 Oh, you surely know a lot about the universe and how life creates itself to claim that it "can't happen", unless some sort being humans like to call God did it.Why can't you just admit that we don't know all the answers YET instead of believing one many MANY MANY similar stories human beings have been making up throughout the ages (Yes, your "true" God is not the only God humans made up).

    Why did you just dodge my point about evolution anyway?

  • @ModeLTU

    Oh eh, didn't see your other comments. Ill try to respond to your questions best I can.

    "YET instead of believing one many MANY MANY similar stories human beings have been making up throughout the ages"

    Like evilution? lol.

    "you surely know a lot about the universe and how life creates itself to claim that it "can't happen", unless some sort being humans like to call God did it."

    Of coarse God did it. Logically there is no other explaination, thus science proves God.

  • @ModeLTU

    Ya problem is your trying to bring God down to man's level and God is not a man altho He did become a man to demonstrate His mercy. God doesn't change He is the same as He was 2000 years ago. Right, you can't pick and choose, the Bible tells of man's sin against God as He is a holy God and requires nothing less than holyness. God is without sin, judgment comes as a result of mankinds wickedness not Gods' doing.

  • @Uaz31 Please give me a source where "science in general has also long since debunked any possibility of macro evilution".

    I'm not bringing God to man's level, I am objectively observing things written in the Bible and to me, it makes no sense that a divine being who is supposed to be infinite times more advanced than us, would say some of those things.I can start quoting if you like.

    The difference between us is that you automatically assume that it was God, while i QUESTION if it was

  • @ModeLTU

    "Please give me a source ..."

    I have, I already explained mutations to you. Id like to know where you think all this information that is required at every level is that would be absolutely neccessary and ever present for evilutionary changes to occur. Again, micro variations within a kind of animal is not macro changes from one animal into another. Those presumed changes have NEVER been observed nor any information required to do such processes has EVER been found, yet u claim it

  • @Uaz31 I don't assume that there is God because THERE'S NO EVIDENCE TO IT.God being real is just about the same chance as hobbits being real from scientific perspective.

    Your explanation to why God "must" exist is childish."Oh look there's all this amazing creation out there, it couldnt just come out of pure randomness".That's your own biased point of view.

    I don't claim to know that God, as some sort of entity doesn't exist, but the only source which "proves" God is Bible.Which is a joke

  • @ModeLTU "the only source which "proves" God is Bible"

    Thats simply a false statement. I already mentioned irriducible complexity which states that life as we observe it in its smallest observable parts, can only function if all those parts came into working order at the same time. Individual parts could not of evolved of their own according to observable fact. Which points to a designer and excludes evilution as even a possibility. I suggest ICR dott org, they have alot of resources.

  • @Uaz31 See, that's speculation. You claim to understand how universe works by using PHILOSOPHICAL terms, not scientific terms. You just show how unbelievably close minded you are with statements like "Which points to a designer and excludes evilution as even a possibility".

    We can't reliably comprehend and understand how long millions of years is. Yes, in our lifespans, it's impossible to observe macro evolution. That doesn't disprove evolution. Your basic reasoning is flawed

  • @ModeLTU

    " it makes no sense that a divine being who is supposed to be infinite times more advanced than us, would say some of those things.I can start quoting if you like."

    Please do, I shall enjoy correcting you.

    "The difference between us is that you automatically assume that it was God, while i QUESTION if it was"

    Not at all... I haven't assumed anything, I know there is a God. You in fact ASSUME there isn't nor do you question His existance because you reject the notion.

  • @Uaz31 Do you really think that every non-believer is some sort of "evil, sinning, God hating" person?People reject the idea of God, because there's no proof to it being true.If I read something in the bible which wasn't falsified and was something which people 2000+ years couldn't possibly know, I would change my mind.Yes, I would.But the nonsense which is written there is identical to what you would expect from a fairly primitive man, not an all-knowing and all-powerful creator of the universe

  • @ModeLTU

    "Do you really think that every non-believer is some sort of "evil, sinning, God hating" person?"

    Bible states that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Its not just non believers who are under condemnation all of mankind is. The distinction is that those who are called by God are not subject to the second death, meaning we will have eternal life with God after this life is through while those who are not will cease to exist when their life here is thru.

  • @Uaz31 Dude, the reason why people don't believe that bible God exists, because the things you call proof of his existence are not proof, they're speculation and basically just wishful thinking.

    If I was sure that God existed, do you REALLY think that I would choose to "live a sinning life", as you would call it?

    If I was sure that in order to get eternal life I needed to believe in God and follow his will, I would just ignore it because I'm "evil"?

    The reason I don't believe it is

  • @Uaz31 because no one can present any solid proof any of the things you claim, like eternal life after we die, are real. And no, just because you try to scare me into believing by making me think that I will cease existing, doesn't influence my decision to believe or not to believe, because I make my decisions based on common sense and logic.

  • @ModeLTU

    "People reject the idea of God, because there's no proof to it being true."

    No, people reject the idea of God because of original sin. Pride rules man's heart, we think we know better than God and strive desperately to carve our own way. We by sinful nature want anything but to acknowledge our faults and come pleading to God for mercy but thats exactly what God demands is a broken and contrite heart.

  • @Uaz31 "No, people reject the idea of God because of original sin." Really?You actually believe that? You really think that if I knew that there is an all-powerful/all-knowing/all-l­oving being who cared about me I would turn his teachings down, because of my pride?

    I do agree that humanity is fucked up.I'll the first guy to confirm that. Humanity is rather primitive race, we do bad things to each other everyday (you will call that 'sinning', sure)