Its still embarrassing for it to take sooo long for any help to get to the driver. Look at Indy car, most of the time they are there within 20 seconds of a bad crash. Sometimes rolling up to the crash even before the race car has stopped moving. F1 can do much better then this example.
I find it weird how the commentators thought it was baumgartner from the back of the car but when the camera switched to the front they realised its ralf schumacher instead and interestly enough baumgartner scored his first and only point in f1 in this race.
@Revolva8891 What I mean is the commentators and the broadcasters they work for (ITV) have no control over the on-screen captions. They are provided by FOM/Bernie based on the data being sent to the TV control room by the cars' on-track position. ITV took a dirty feed and basically, what we see, the commentators see. Perhaps Baumgartner was in the pitlane at this point or close to Ralf on the track, which caused the initial confusion.
if those michelin tyres were weak going round that corner could you imagine the firellis. every driver would be planted in that corner by the end of the first lap
@cfcnlr structualy the Pirellis are very good, so I doubt they would have a problem. yes they degrade faster but that is intentional and gradual. plus they are slicks without grooves so the tyres in 2011 would have no problems at this or any other track. you have to remember that Michelin and Bridgestone were in a tyre war pushing the limits of what was possible. Pirelli are not under that pressure and can afford to play it safe.
Right to all the people who are wondering why the Marshels are... Think back to Tom Pryce in the 70's... then you'll understand why no one ran onto the track...
@NOXXism there not allowed to stop during a race, in case it causes another accident. That's why they have marshals and F marshals. all the drivers see each other as family, and would stop if they could, but its safer for every one, ( most importantly the driver in the crash) if they carry on, and just drive slow to let the marshals do there job. So saying: they "dont give a crap" i think is just offensive. think about it before you comment.
@123owenboy if that was a serious accident like maybe rubens imola 94 or hakkinen 95 where time is really important because they both had their airways blocked and if it wasn't sid watkins making it there on time they would have died...hakkinen's heart stopped TWICE. Ralf would have died right there. And today's f1 drivers are drones who only care about the race
@NOXXism did you not see my last comment, they see each other as a family, (apart from Lewis Hamilton, who is a drone).
Even so, look at the speed the other cars are going, if one stopped and disembarked, and another went into him, then yes, there would have been a death. Trust me, its much safer at today's racing speeds to just slow down and leave it to the rescue teams.
what shall they do? They are no doctors, so it´s senseless to park your car. On todays tracks the help is very fast, not like in the old days, where on some points of the track there was no Tv cam, no marshall... (Nordschleife, Lauda crash)
@NOXXism You're right, but there was an interview after this (Michael Schumacher was there, too). Michael wanted to stop for his brother and he was really in shock when he saw this, but sadly, F1 is a money-controlled buisines, which doesn't allowed him to do so! ;)
Ah yes, brilliant idea! Get out of your car in the middle of a blind corner where other cars will be coming around it at full throttle. Yep ... what could go wrong?
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There is a fine line between sportsmanship, and stupidity. Stopping to help someone when EVERYONE can see where you are is fine. Stopping to help someone where everyone CAN'T is stupid.
Well maybe if F1 implemented reg flags and stopped using that stupid local / full course caution bullshit than drivers might fair better. If a driver crashes in a blind spot, or in a certain location that is not easily visible to other drivers the race should be stopped. You can only tell the drivers so much via radio, what they see is vital. With that said he's safer inside of his car. And it would be stupid if another driver stopped in that location to help him.
@NOXXism becouse you are not suposed to hold on an racing track. i know its hard i if i would be in this situation i would although think about stopping and help him but the cars are flying with over 180mph'S by it would be too dangerous...
@NOXXism You're getting loads of replies on this comment, so here's another. People are saying about rules etc, but it's also down to the fact that, drivers don't pay to much attention to the dangers of F1. They know it's there of course, but they shut it out, and a big crash is one of those reminders. Another reason, cars are less likely to catch fire now, so less need to get the driver out, so it's better to leave it to the medical staff who are more trained to deal with him than an F1 driver.
@grandmasterj5 well, fire isn't the only danger in F1... Look at barrichelo in imola 94 or hakkinen adelaide 95. If they weren't assisted so fast they probably would have died, because they both swallowed their tongues. But yes this corner is particularly dangerous.
@NOXXism I meant your comment about Senna stopping for people, and others not.
He stopped for people, but it was only REALLY needed when the fuel tanks weren't as good as they are now. If the driver was out cold, then whoever was closest should help get the driver out asap as fire was a major risk. Not now though. Can't remember the last time I saw an F1 car on fire due to the fuel tank. Other than that, and F1 driver can't really help much. The medics here should have been far quicker though
yes US racing especially indycars the medical teams are there before car stops sometimes...stoopiod f1...just lay there an wait ralf when we comearound we will help u if u dont die first
@Saikano2012 - they were on their lunch break. Damn FIA hiring European crash workers. CART/IRL safety team is there before the car stops moving, but that is just how we do things here.
@rainbowroadds The had PLENTY of time to throw the yellow flag, flash those yellow lights, radio to all drivers to stop or slow down, and get on the track. This is disgusting.
There is still a way to go with driver safety, but it has nothing to do with the cars or the track, only with the rescue workers who are often not up to the task. When it is this bad on a track like Indy during an F1 race, imagine what it is like on 'just another race event' on a smaller circuit. There are plenty of examples of this in recent years even here on youtube.
This was strange to me this because in Indy car racing the marshalls are on the way to the accident before the car has even stopped crashing but they take a while to respond to this crash. Maybe they just assumed he would just get out of the car on his own because it's F1 not Indycars
Schumacher didn't even get out of his F1 to help his brother, his fucking BROTHER. To this day I still get shivers when I watch this. Then it mutates into outrage.
These guys aren't allowed to just stop in the middle of the track to help anyone out, even if it is their brother, not even if were the freaking queen of England. Usually, track marshals and medical staff/equipment will arrive in seconds, literally. Even if his brother thought about helping just for a second, that thought alone would have kept him from pulling over.
What would he do, anyway? Hold his, tell him everything's going to be OK? Come on...
Senna was in a different situation (He was in a practise session, not a race, like here), I can imagine the rules having changed over the times, and last but not least... Are you really trying to compare the level of sportsmanship between Schumacher and Senna...?
@gasfgiop I think Michael and Ralf were already in a quarrel at the time. But Michael did recieve news about him on his radio when Ralf was taken to hospital.
@gasfgiop - people like you irritate me so much. for starters, michael didn't even pass ralf here. secondly, if he did, what could he have done?
people like you will jump onto any opportunity to criticise schumacher. not just from a professional standpoint, but a personal one as well: people like you imply he wasn't upset by the death of his mother, that he celebrated senna's death and that he didn't care about his brother.
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Whoa, easy there, hermano. Listen, I fucked up and I fully acknowledge I fucked up. The issue is buried, okay? There's no need to get upset and/or aspire to my death. Show a little courtesy.
@gasfgiop - you're right, perhaps i was a bit extreme but irrational comments like those, made by people on the internet and in real life make me want to snap sometimes.
any other track and the marshalls and medical staff would have been moving to it within seconds of the car coming to a stop! it wasnt even like there were other cars flying past! and usa wants an F1 race again? bernie, think it through wisely........
The saftey was not yet out so therefore the medical team cannot approach the car in the middle of the track.
One of the main rules of marshalling is that you do not endanger yourself, and hell I would not like to be standing on the exit of a 190mph corner!!!!!!!!!!
@gowdridge - senna was in a different situation. he helped comas because it was qualifying and he was on an inlap. he helped zanardi because he had already crashed at the same corner and he may as well have assisted him.
but during the races, when something valuable was at stake, did he stop once? ever? NO! he did exactly what schumacher did, he kept on going and left it to the professionals.
you, my friend are an idiot and so are your two thumb uppers...
@gowdridge - LOL "got many friends with attitude like that ?". You criticise my attitude and then act as if you know the details of my personal life and say that I know "fuck all" with nothing to back yourself up on.
If I supposedly have no friends (not that you know me personally anyway), then God knows what kind of a loner you'd be based on your response.
Looking at your other comment, it seems like this kind of abuse is pretty standard for you, as well. Goodbye.
@gowdridge hey jackass what was a driver or marshall gona do. You would be advised to not move him at all untill you were sure he had no spinal injuries. Only the medical team could determine that.
@gowdridge I like how you blame America for the response time, when it is the precious FIA who decided that the medical teams need to complete a full lap to get to the driver. In America the medical team would have gotten to his car before his car stopped moving. Look up some IndyCar crashes.
@thalsem1 ik its bullshit... indy is a pretty big track, they care more about the safety of the medical team who arent in any danger if there in a bloody truck and also these are the best drivers in the world im pretty sure they could avoid a TRUCK
@thalsem1 lol, ok for a start, few if any F1 fans refer to the FIA as "precious" we're not massive fans of them either. also, it's a balancing act isn't it, yes it's good for the driver in the accident if the emergency teams turn up straight away, however, if you got a car running the wrong way round a 200mph straight when you don't know if all the cars have got the SC message and have slowed down, that risks some bigger problems
@thalsem1 wrong.. the medical car that follows the start is only for opening lap incidents... from the FIA website "The circuits have paramedics and doctors based at VARIOUS POINTS around the track, intended to provide first aid to injured drivers or officials" read Sid Watkins book before you start making incorrect accusations.
@thelostlibertine There are only 2 "R-Class" emergency cars, which were needed in this instance, while they have 4 "S-Class" which are for standard sand trap, tire barrier incidents. But, that is current information. Back in 2004, they had 1 "R-Class' and 3 "S-Class" vehicles to add on that, FIA mandates that a safety car must not go the opposite direction of the racing direction. Because of this, the 1 "R-Class vehicle stationed at pit exit, had to do a lap to get to Ralf. Sad, eh?
@thalsem1 its true, they told the medical car it had to go all the way around, however, track marshalls should have been there way faster, its right on pit lane and that is ritteled with track marshalls.
Yeah I agree, but at the same time I dont. What is a driver actually going to do other than put themself at risk? The medical teams are far more capable of helping an injured driver than another driver. I am aware the Senna/Comas case is a special one as Sennas intervention may have saved his life. Senna stopeed in practice to help Comas, would he have stopped in the race? I doubt it. Yes I agree, the marshalls were useless here, but in their defence thats not an easy place to get to.
@gowdridge i think its heroic when drivers like senna jumped out and try to save another fellow driver. however, for senna's case, he wanted to save his friend from a fire. whereas this isn't. for this case, what can drivers do? medically, you don't want to really move him [ralf] unless you are sure he's alright to move. the medical team did a brilliant job in saving ralf's ass. so stop the hating when you don't know jack about high speed accidents. what has medical team done to you? idoit
@gowdridge oh ok. so with that, drivers should get out of the car and check if they are ok? really? that sounds stupid. again, what can drivers do? i agree to "fuck the teams and sponsers", but don't agree the drivers should get out of their cars and check on the injured drivers, especially if they are not medically trained. they won't even know what to do. idiot
@gowdridge wow. not only are you an idiot, but you have anger issues. thank you for saying all that crap. it just goes to show what kind of person you are. wow, your comments are just desperate. i want to feel sorry for you, but i don't want to.
@gowdridge How are we not supposed to read it? We come on a video, on almost every video i look at the comments. The comment section doesn't need raging dipshits such as yourself k?
If you're gonna have a pointless argument with someone then PM them. Don't piss everyone else off with your quad posting and spam.
@gowdridge So i said my opinion? You are the one raging at me for saying it. I told you to SHUT THE FUCK UP AND USE PM. That was my opinion. Get the fuck over it nerd.
Judging by his response(s), he's probably the "super-special needs" type:
a borderline sociopathic troll, with the IQ of a carrot.
Despite his overzealous trolling, just remember that there's probably a couple straitjackets, and a half eaten Crayola 64 pack between the outside world and his mom's padded underground bunker where he lives out his dreary existence.
@ba3cool i never did. thanks. thats funny. judging from his comments, he prob doesn't have any friends, bc he spends his time on youtube jacking off. lol
@gowdridge well now, it's more dangerous to get out. You want to see another Tom Pryce incident? Plus, it's much more safer. I know you saw kubica's crash in canada.
@gowdridge Have you seen The Killer Years, a documentary screened by the BBC in the last week? The 'real men' used to keep on racing, no safety car, no doctor's car, nothing. Jackie Stewart told a story about crashing at Spa, laid in the car for about 30 minutes before anyone stopped to help. Then he was laid on the floor of an ambulance, alongside cigarette butts, and the driver got lost on the way to the hospital. What Senna did was rare at any time, it's nothing about being a 'real man'
"In day gone by," Hmmm, ever seen Roger Williamson's Fatal 1973 Crash? It was obviously bad as his car was like a bonfire and nobody stopped (other than the hero that was David Purley) to help David right the car. David tried to stop other drivers but they just get blasting past the scene. Poor Roger was fully conscious but could not get out. The fault here was the marshalls not the other drivers.
It doesn't make much sense to stop right in the middle of the track, get out with all the cumbersome safety gear, negotiate a track filled with 200 mph bullets: to help somebody else, without being medically trained.
All your doing at that point is being a dick for endangering everybody else on the track, not to mention yourself.
Your job is to let medically trained, well equipped crews handle the situation. The race wouldn't be on if they couldn't handle it.
@JumpDaFuuckUp but he didn't. Shows what he thinks, Keep going than to help his own brother. Schumacher never gave a shit about anyone, all he cares about is being number 1.
In Formula 1, a safety car (which was deployed if you listen to James Allen) is the equivalent to the full corse caution. This is because F1 uses race courses instead of banked ovals. On banked ovals, cars can generally avoid cars/people easily as they can use the infield. F1 uses the Indianapolis infield circuit in reverse - much differant to the NASCAR/Indy oval.
The reason the medical car wasn't there immediatley is because thts the pre-caution to take. If they took him out the car straight away,tht could cause permanent damage to his neck or back. read this sumwhere while back
Doesn't F1 have full course cautions? If you put the whole course under a yellow and slow everyone WAY down then safety for the marshals and the medics should not be an issue.
During the INDY 500 the safety crew is at the scene of the crash within a few seconds on most occassions and there seem to be little to no safety issues.
It's worth saying two things - a) Prof. Watkin's cohorts (F1 medic) had told drivers if they had a big off to stay in the car until the doctors came to them to extract them, and that b) medicar having to do a lap of this circuit is still an unacceptable excuse for the marshalls not being out there right away.
There's a very good reason British marshalls are regarded as the best in the world, especially when they get compared to situations like this.
This is America, they probably had to check his details in a database first, call his insurance company and check his plan covered automobile racing, then they go out to help him, as long as he can then tell them his insurance serial number and his mother's maiden name.
lol, du würdest in einem F1 Wagen wahrscheinlich nicht einmal eine Runde überstehen und nennst Fahrer als Versager, die mehrere GP Siege und Podestplätze in der Königsklasse des Motorsports geholt haben ...
Its still embarrassing for it to take sooo long for any help to get to the driver. Look at Indy car, most of the time they are there within 20 seconds of a bad crash. Sometimes rolling up to the crash even before the race car has stopped moving. F1 can do much better then this example.
zk92000 1 month ago
he crashed at that track 3 times in 3 years?
600etecXRS 2 months ago
@600etecXRS
I'm not sure about the third one, but he did it in 2004 with the Williams and in 2005 with the Toyota
R1S9S9R1 2 months ago
a YELLOW HELMET .. NOT MOVING in a BLUE WHITE WILLIAMS in a WALL and no EMERGENCY arriving ...................... u know 1.may 1994
Tobiiimnrw 2 months ago
watching the yellow helmet not moving live was very scary at the time and brought back horrible memories
F1Racers 3 months ago
He was lucky to survive this, there have been a few indycar deaths at this track from going into the wall backwards.
insimonia1990 3 months ago
I find it weird how the commentators thought it was baumgartner from the back of the car but when the camera switched to the front they realised its ralf schumacher instead and interestly enough baumgartner scored his first and only point in f1 in this race.
Revolva8891 4 months ago
@Revolva8891 Look at the on-screen captions. That's what they used to identify the car.
mocyoung 3 months ago
@mocyoung i can see that
Revolva8891 3 months ago
@Revolva8891 What I mean is the commentators and the broadcasters they work for (ITV) have no control over the on-screen captions. They are provided by FOM/Bernie based on the data being sent to the TV control room by the cars' on-track position. ITV took a dirty feed and basically, what we see, the commentators see. Perhaps Baumgartner was in the pitlane at this point or close to Ralf on the track, which caused the initial confusion.
mocyoung 3 months ago
@mocyoung thanks for clarifying that
Revolva8891 3 months ago
Interesting how Martin Brundle was talking about the Michelin tyres having issues a whole year before the big controversy in '05
Xehanor 5 months ago
How is this live when it happened in 2004?
blainyrules 5 months ago
@blainyrules stupid.
juzza25 4 months ago
The emergency workers aren't going to come until a full course yellow.
Suddenly breaking from 200mph could result in a lockup and a horrific crash, far worse than this.
DeadbeatXT 5 months ago
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was he left for dead or something?
cardude1992 5 months ago
thats one of the fastest straights in F1 the emergency workers wont move an inch until theyre certain that all cars r under control.
YaBayrot 5 months ago
they should hire Monaco emergency crew
ttr0Oper 5 months ago
impact was 78g
twg20101 6 months ago
@twg20101 78g? im quite sure that would make his organs liquify and he'd die.
IceCoolG4mes 6 months ago
@IceCoolG4mes Indeed it was a 78g deceleration. It is well known, just do a search and all sources will refer to this.
twg20101 6 months ago
Rumour has it that he's still sitting in the track waiting for the marshalls.
Quite ironic as IMS pioneered marshalling as we know it.
99dndd 7 months ago
not only did he name the wrong driver, he pronounced Zsolt wrong lol
CipherKTO 7 months ago
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Martials will have been at mcdonalds lol
dmadey08 7 months ago
america this and america that..... america is overrated
kopollos123 7 months ago 2
Ironically he would crash in that exact same corner the next year, sparking the whole tyre controversy.
Solar424 7 months ago
0:15 idiot, its ralf not zsolt
Morvigan 7 months ago
if those michelin tyres were weak going round that corner could you imagine the firellis. every driver would be planted in that corner by the end of the first lap
cfcnlr 7 months ago
@cfcnlr structualy the Pirellis are very good, so I doubt they would have a problem. yes they degrade faster but that is intentional and gradual. plus they are slicks without grooves so the tyres in 2011 would have no problems at this or any other track. you have to remember that Michelin and Bridgestone were in a tyre war pushing the limits of what was possible. Pirelli are not under that pressure and can afford to play it safe.
vjanik 7 months ago
Right to all the people who are wondering why the Marshels are... Think back to Tom Pryce in the 70's... then you'll understand why no one ran onto the track...
MikeyyBoy94 7 months ago
If senna was there he would stop the car and help him... Now everyone doesn't give a crap
NOXXism 8 months ago 39
@NOXXism there not allowed to stop during a race, in case it causes another accident. That's why they have marshals and F marshals. all the drivers see each other as family, and would stop if they could, but its safer for every one, ( most importantly the driver in the crash) if they carry on, and just drive slow to let the marshals do there job. So saying: they "dont give a crap" i think is just offensive. think about it before you comment.
123owenboy 3 months ago
@123owenboy if that was a serious accident like maybe rubens imola 94 or hakkinen 95 where time is really important because they both had their airways blocked and if it wasn't sid watkins making it there on time they would have died...hakkinen's heart stopped TWICE. Ralf would have died right there. And today's f1 drivers are drones who only care about the race
NOXXism 3 months ago
@NOXXism did you not see my last comment, they see each other as a family, (apart from Lewis Hamilton, who is a drone).
Even so, look at the speed the other cars are going, if one stopped and disembarked, and another went into him, then yes, there would have been a death. Trust me, its much safer at today's racing speeds to just slow down and leave it to the rescue teams.
123owenboy 3 months ago
@123owenboy no they don't they only care about racing f1 isn't what it used to be
NOXXism 3 months ago
@NOXXism
what shall they do? They are no doctors, so it´s senseless to park your car. On todays tracks the help is very fast, not like in the old days, where on some points of the track there was no Tv cam, no marshall... (Nordschleife, Lauda crash)
schroeder1112 3 months ago
@NOXXism You're right, but there was an interview after this (Michael Schumacher was there, too). Michael wanted to stop for his brother and he was really in shock when he saw this, but sadly, F1 is a money-controlled buisines, which doesn't allowed him to do so! ;)
justRE4xD 3 months ago
@NOXXism its not allowed
jkamwal2 2 months ago
@NOXXism They do but its forbidden now, Its in the FIA rule book, If they did it they would recieve a racing ban and grid penalties.
ididi9 2 months ago
@NOXXism I don't think anyone would have stopped because of the risk of being hit by other cars!!!
Marcus666Sund 2 months ago
@NOXXism
Ah yes, brilliant idea! Get out of your car in the middle of a blind corner where other cars will be coming around it at full throttle. Yep ... what could go wrong?
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There is a fine line between sportsmanship, and stupidity. Stopping to help someone when EVERYONE can see where you are is fine. Stopping to help someone where everyone CAN'T is stupid.
garf1eld029 2 months ago
@garf1eld029 Right. Let him die then. I saw a lot of cars going past at full throttle. So fast they almost tossed that williams into the wall..
NOXXism 1 month ago
@NOXXism
Well maybe if F1 implemented reg flags and stopped using that stupid local / full course caution bullshit than drivers might fair better. If a driver crashes in a blind spot, or in a certain location that is not easily visible to other drivers the race should be stopped. You can only tell the drivers so much via radio, what they see is vital. With that said he's safer inside of his car. And it would be stupid if another driver stopped in that location to help him.
garf1eld029 1 month ago
@NOXXism
.... not only do they endanger their own lives. But they endanger other drivers. There is a time for sportsmanship, this isn't that time.
garf1eld029 1 month ago
@NOXXism so true thats 1 of the thing that made senna as great as he was
TheEnemyac130above 1 month ago
@NOXXism becouse you are not suposed to hold on an racing track. i know its hard i if i would be in this situation i would although think about stopping and help him but the cars are flying with over 180mph'S by it would be too dangerous...
guitarsgplayer 1 month ago
@NOXXism You're getting loads of replies on this comment, so here's another. People are saying about rules etc, but it's also down to the fact that, drivers don't pay to much attention to the dangers of F1. They know it's there of course, but they shut it out, and a big crash is one of those reminders. Another reason, cars are less likely to catch fire now, so less need to get the driver out, so it's better to leave it to the medical staff who are more trained to deal with him than an F1 driver.
grandmasterj5 1 month ago
@grandmasterj5 well, fire isn't the only danger in F1... Look at barrichelo in imola 94 or hakkinen adelaide 95. If they weren't assisted so fast they probably would have died, because they both swallowed their tongues. But yes this corner is particularly dangerous.
NOXXism 1 month ago
@NOXXism I meant your comment about Senna stopping for people, and others not.
He stopped for people, but it was only REALLY needed when the fuel tanks weren't as good as they are now. If the driver was out cold, then whoever was closest should help get the driver out asap as fire was a major risk. Not now though. Can't remember the last time I saw an F1 car on fire due to the fuel tank. Other than that, and F1 driver can't really help much. The medics here should have been far quicker though
grandmasterj5 1 month ago
@NOXXism Senna would not have got out and retired, if it was practice or quali he probably would've but not in the race
atomicR4GER 1 month ago
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I bet it's not live!
MikealiasTheBoss 8 months ago
I got here from the beaver video
xIIJoshIIx 8 months ago
It's not live if it's from '04 :P
blainyrules 8 months ago
yes US racing especially indycars the medical teams are there before car stops sometimes...stoopiod f1...just lay there an wait ralf when we comearound we will help u if u dont die first
QuikdrawlMcgraw 8 months ago
medical team? ... yes I know the medical car cannot drive in the opposite direction.
sti777aus 9 months ago
when I saw this on Hungarian TV the commentators were like WTF, will someone fuckin help him already????!??!!?
Daniel0889 9 months ago 6
I know he is german but a little more effort!!!
chambreski 9 months ago 3
Where the fuck were the Emergency Workers?!
Saikano2012 10 months ago 98
@Saikano2012 Dunkin Donuts.
godanselmo 8 months ago
@Saikano2012 It's America.
MOOVIEbySEBBI 7 months ago
@Saikano2012 Eating burger and fries with Coke, lol
Arai4lpinestars 6 months ago
@Saikano2012 - they were on their lunch break. Damn FIA hiring European crash workers. CART/IRL safety team is there before the car stops moving, but that is just how we do things here.
SlamDuncDrummer 4 months ago
@Saikano2012 only medical car with doctor can help driver. thats F1 rules.
vprmn 4 months ago
@vprmn It's a rule that needs to change. If that car were on fire and the driver was KO'ed then shit would change.
Saikano2012 4 months ago
@Saikano2012 in their defence, it was in the middle of a 200mph straight with cars driving by.
rainbowroadds 2 months ago
@rainbowroadds The had PLENTY of time to throw the yellow flag, flash those yellow lights, radio to all drivers to stop or slow down, and get on the track. This is disgusting.
Saikano2012 2 months ago
@Saikano2012 Stupid FIA say the Medical cars can't drive backwards down the straight so have to do the lap
ididi9 2 months ago
@ididi9 NASCAR does it, IndyCar does it, Formula Nippon....well, not sure about them, so FIA should too. The red flag does exist ya know.
Saikano2012 2 months ago
@Saikano2012 I think it was mainly a problem at this track because of the fast, blind, last corner.
ididi9 2 months ago
@Saikano2012 Eating burgers
dyl706 2 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago 2
There is still a way to go with driver safety, but it has nothing to do with the cars or the track, only with the rescue workers who are often not up to the task. When it is this bad on a track like Indy during an F1 race, imagine what it is like on 'just another race event' on a smaller circuit. There are plenty of examples of this in recent years even here on youtube.
PinkRob0t 10 months ago
0:30 looked like he was dead!
PowerOfTheColours 10 months ago
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gowdridge 11 months ago
where is the marshals? just went for a beer ,this can wait any way it`s just 30 minuts away .
shaikhdishgan1 11 months ago
I recorded this on tape and I'm glad I did it was such a bad accident
1997einstein 11 months ago
This was strange to me this because in Indy car racing the marshalls are on the way to the accident before the car has even stopped crashing but they take a while to respond to this crash. Maybe they just assumed he would just get out of the car on his own because it's F1 not Indycars
CHERN0BYLCH1LD 1 year ago
So much time and anybody doing something to help him, making sure he was fine... wtf!
danwest1989 1 year ago
Why the fack isn't any body doing some thing
Hanjin13 1 year ago
terrible marsheling
TUBZY11 1 year ago
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why are people so bothered? its only ralf schumacher. Hes gay anyway.
LeeClaxton 1 year ago
They should have red flagged the session. They did in 2005!!!!
mikaabc123 1 year ago
@mikaabc123 But the crash of Ralf in 2005 was not during the race. Since the 2000s, races aren't much red-flagged as before.
Basfilm 1 year ago
Schumacher didn't even get out of his F1 to help his brother, his fucking BROTHER. To this day I still get shivers when I watch this. Then it mutates into outrage.
gasfgiop 1 year ago
@gasfgiop But that was a Toyota going past Ralf, wasn't it? It didn't look like the Ferrari...
jockejocke1 1 year ago
@gasfgiop Are you daft, or what?
These guys aren't allowed to just stop in the middle of the track to help anyone out, even if it is their brother, not even if were the freaking queen of England. Usually, track marshals and medical staff/equipment will arrive in seconds, literally. Even if his brother thought about helping just for a second, that thought alone would have kept him from pulling over.
What would he do, anyway? Hold his, tell him everything's going to be OK? Come on...
Y00p 1 year ago
@Y00p Senna did it, he got out of his F1. They didn't even red-flag the session, for fuck's sake.
gasfgiop 1 year ago
@gasfgiop Really, you can't use 'F1' as a noun, unless you're grading tornado's for a living.
Also, as Basfilm already pointed out, 'red-flagging' a race is something that hasn't been done for years; Unless there's weather involved of course.
Y00p 1 year ago
Senna was in a different situation (He was in a practise session, not a race, like here), I can imagine the rules having changed over the times, and last but not least... Are you really trying to compare the level of sportsmanship between Schumacher and Senna...?
Y00p 1 year ago
@gasfgiop I think Michael and Ralf were already in a quarrel at the time. But Michael did recieve news about him on his radio when Ralf was taken to hospital.
Basfilm 1 year ago
@gasfgiop - people like you irritate me so much. for starters, michael didn't even pass ralf here. secondly, if he did, what could he have done?
people like you will jump onto any opportunity to criticise schumacher. not just from a professional standpoint, but a personal one as well: people like you imply he wasn't upset by the death of his mother, that he celebrated senna's death and that he didn't care about his brother.
people like you can FUCK OFF AND DIE!
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva Whoa, easy there, hermano. Listen, I fucked up and I fully acknowledge I fucked up. The issue is buried, okay? There's no need to get upset and/or aspire to my death. Show a little courtesy.
gasfgiop 1 year ago
@gasfgiop - you're right, perhaps i was a bit extreme but irrational comments like those, made by people on the internet and in real life make me want to snap sometimes.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@FormulaOneFan4Eva When did his mother die? Is his father still alive?
MegaSparky555 1 year ago
any other track and the marshalls and medical staff would have been moving to it within seconds of the car coming to a stop! it wasnt even like there were other cars flying past! and usa wants an F1 race again? bernie, think it through wisely........
jonnyh1616 1 year ago
i as in USA watching this and frankly i was digusted this should of been red flagged nad the medical staff delay as sa joke
LordHMCI 1 year ago
What are you guys talking about????
The saftey was not yet out so therefore the medical team cannot approach the car in the middle of the track.
One of the main rules of marshalling is that you do not endanger yourself, and hell I would not like to be standing on the exit of a 190mph corner!!!!!!!!!!
cheesefruit200 1 year ago
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gowdridge 1 year ago 17
@gowdridge - senna was in a different situation. he helped comas because it was qualifying and he was on an inlap. he helped zanardi because he had already crashed at the same corner and he may as well have assisted him.
but during the races, when something valuable was at stake, did he stop once? ever? NO! he did exactly what schumacher did, he kept on going and left it to the professionals.
you, my friend are an idiot and so are your two thumb uppers...
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
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gowdridge 1 year ago
@gowdridge - LOL "got many friends with attitude like that ?". You criticise my attitude and then act as if you know the details of my personal life and say that I know "fuck all" with nothing to back yourself up on.
If I supposedly have no friends (not that you know me personally anyway), then God knows what kind of a loner you'd be based on your response.
Looking at your other comment, it seems like this kind of abuse is pretty standard for you, as well. Goodbye.
FormulaOneFan4Eva 1 year ago
@gowdridge hey jackass what was a driver or marshall gona do. You would be advised to not move him at all untill you were sure he had no spinal injuries. Only the medical team could determine that.
eddmns 1 year ago
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gowdridge 1 year ago
@gowdridge I like how you blame America for the response time, when it is the precious FIA who decided that the medical teams need to complete a full lap to get to the driver. In America the medical team would have gotten to his car before his car stopped moving. Look up some IndyCar crashes.
thalsem1 1 year ago 63
@thalsem1 ik its bullshit... indy is a pretty big track, they care more about the safety of the medical team who arent in any danger if there in a bloody truck and also these are the best drivers in the world im pretty sure they could avoid a TRUCK
xelvemagicx 9 months ago
@thalsem1 lol, ok for a start, few if any F1 fans refer to the FIA as "precious" we're not massive fans of them either. also, it's a balancing act isn't it, yes it's good for the driver in the accident if the emergency teams turn up straight away, however, if you got a car running the wrong way round a 200mph straight when you don't know if all the cars have got the SC message and have slowed down, that risks some bigger problems
jaryd12345 8 months ago
@thalsem1 wrong.. the medical car that follows the start is only for opening lap incidents... from the FIA website "The circuits have paramedics and doctors based at VARIOUS POINTS around the track, intended to provide first aid to injured drivers or officials" read Sid Watkins book before you start making incorrect accusations.
thelostlibertine 6 months ago
@thelostlibertine There are only 2 "R-Class" emergency cars, which were needed in this instance, while they have 4 "S-Class" which are for standard sand trap, tire barrier incidents. But, that is current information. Back in 2004, they had 1 "R-Class' and 3 "S-Class" vehicles to add on that, FIA mandates that a safety car must not go the opposite direction of the racing direction. Because of this, the 1 "R-Class vehicle stationed at pit exit, had to do a lap to get to Ralf. Sad, eh?
thalsem1 6 months ago 2
@thalsem1 somehow this is true
diwant 6 months ago
@thalsem1 its true, they told the medical car it had to go all the way around, however, track marshalls should have been there way faster, its right on pit lane and that is ritteled with track marshalls.
f1fan65 4 months ago
@gowdridge they are told not to get out of their cars because it makes it dangerous for them too...
stubag69 11 months ago
Yeah I agree, but at the same time I dont. What is a driver actually going to do other than put themself at risk? The medical teams are far more capable of helping an injured driver than another driver. I am aware the Senna/Comas case is a special one as Sennas intervention may have saved his life. Senna stopeed in practice to help Comas, would he have stopped in the race? I doubt it. Yes I agree, the marshalls were useless here, but in their defence thats not an easy place to get to.
shazmeister2005 11 months ago
@gowdridge i think its heroic when drivers like senna jumped out and try to save another fellow driver. however, for senna's case, he wanted to save his friend from a fire. whereas this isn't. for this case, what can drivers do? medically, you don't want to really move him [ralf] unless you are sure he's alright to move. the medical team did a brilliant job in saving ralf's ass. so stop the hating when you don't know jack about high speed accidents. what has medical team done to you? idoit
cy156326 11 months ago
@cy156326 how did they take ? where are thay ? oh i think they went for a beer .
shaikhdishgan1 11 months ago
@cy156326 at what point did i say move him, try reading the text before making an idiot of yourself. oops.... too late idiot
gowdridge 11 months ago
@gowdridge oh ok. so with that, drivers should get out of the car and check if they are ok? really? that sounds stupid. again, what can drivers do? i agree to "fuck the teams and sponsers", but don't agree the drivers should get out of their cars and check on the injured drivers, especially if they are not medically trained. they won't even know what to do. idiot
cy156326 10 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge wow. not only are you an idiot, but you have anger issues. thank you for saying all that crap. it just goes to show what kind of person you are. wow, your comments are just desperate. i want to feel sorry for you, but i don't want to.
cy156326 10 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge Both of you take your nerd argument to PM so people like me don't have to read It? ^-^
xxmrbloodxx 10 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge Wow u mad brah.
xxmrbloodxx 10 months ago
@xxmrbloodxx as a fuckin hatter bub
gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge do you ever just SHUT THE FUCK UP?? I've read your bullshit on like 4 videos already
MrMippeh 10 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge How are we not supposed to read it? We come on a video, on almost every video i look at the comments. The comment section doesn't need raging dipshits such as yourself k?
If you're gonna have a pointless argument with someone then PM them. Don't piss everyone else off with your quad posting and spam.
xxmrbloodxx 10 months ago
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gowdridge 10 months ago
@gowdridge So i said my opinion? You are the one raging at me for saying it. I told you to SHUT THE FUCK UP AND USE PM. That was my opinion. Get the fuck over it nerd.
xxmrbloodxx 10 months ago
Looks like I missed the thread before I commented.
@cy156326
Don't bother with him. (@gowdridge)
Judging by his response(s), he's probably the "super-special needs" type:
a borderline sociopathic troll, with the IQ of a carrot.
Despite his overzealous trolling, just remember that there's probably a couple straitjackets, and a half eaten Crayola 64 pack between the outside world and his mom's padded underground bunker where he lives out his dreary existence.
ba3cool 10 months ago
@ba3cool i never did. thanks. thats funny. judging from his comments, he prob doesn't have any friends, bc he spends his time on youtube jacking off. lol
cy156326 10 months ago
@gowdridge well now, it's more dangerous to get out. You want to see another Tom Pryce incident? Plus, it's much more safer. I know you saw kubica's crash in canada.
filipinokid3 11 months ago
@gowdridge I agree, and i'm sure loads of people wanted to stop and check if he was injured. But, you know "health and safety regulations" ¬.¬
mariomaniac6411 11 months ago
@gowdridge Have you seen The Killer Years, a documentary screened by the BBC in the last week? The 'real men' used to keep on racing, no safety car, no doctor's car, nothing. Jackie Stewart told a story about crashing at Spa, laid in the car for about 30 minutes before anyone stopped to help. Then he was laid on the floor of an ambulance, alongside cigarette butts, and the driver got lost on the way to the hospital. What Senna did was rare at any time, it's nothing about being a 'real man'
mrjanyeo 11 months ago
@mrjanyeo The guy is an idiot who is too stupid to know how dangerous it is.
windflasher0 10 months ago
@gowdridge would you stop in the middle of that straight with cars coming down at 190 mph
barcamufc 11 months ago
@barcamufc Yes !!!!!!!!!!
gowdridge 11 months ago
@gowdridge
"In day gone by," Hmmm, ever seen Roger Williamson's Fatal 1973 Crash? It was obviously bad as his car was like a bonfire and nobody stopped (other than the hero that was David Purley) to help David right the car. David tried to stop other drivers but they just get blasting past the scene. Poor Roger was fully conscious but could not get out. The fault here was the marshalls not the other drivers.
tigershoot 10 months ago
@gowdridge think the senna incident was in a practice session dude.. bit different
LouisL2 10 months ago
@gowdridge Quit being so naive.
It doesn't make much sense to stop right in the middle of the track, get out with all the cumbersome safety gear, negotiate a track filled with 200 mph bullets: to help somebody else, without being medically trained.
All your doing at that point is being a dick for endangering everybody else on the track, not to mention yourself.
Your job is to let medically trained, well equipped crews handle the situation. The race wouldn't be on if they couldn't handle it.
ba3cool 10 months ago
I remember Michael Schumacher telling about this crash, that he was close to stop and get the fuck out of his car to help his brother
JumpDaFuuckUp 1 year ago
@JumpDaFuuckUp but he didn't. Shows what he thinks, Keep going than to help his own brother. Schumacher never gave a shit about anyone, all he cares about is being number 1.
fresky74 1 year ago
no wonder that so many driver died in the indicar and nascar series.......
when noone comes to help!!!!
thepainbob666 1 year ago
@thepainbob666 what a pathetic comment. we only let the f1 drivers die because we hate you fucking foriegners.
penske13 1 year ago
who the f*** is Baumgartner? lol
xMatt16 1 year ago
no one is coming ??
Darkseid1337 1 year ago
Medical team were eating Doughnuts :)
MrCricket90 1 year ago
@stever411
In Formula 1, a safety car (which was deployed if you listen to James Allen) is the equivalent to the full corse caution. This is because F1 uses race courses instead of banked ovals. On banked ovals, cars can generally avoid cars/people easily as they can use the infield. F1 uses the Indianapolis infield circuit in reverse - much differant to the NASCAR/Indy oval.
Peskdale61 1 year ago
The reason the medical car wasn't there immediatley is because thts the pre-caution to take. If they took him out the car straight away,tht could cause permanent damage to his neck or back. read this sumwhere while back
Velocitigerr 1 year ago
Doesn't F1 have full course cautions? If you put the whole course under a yellow and slow everyone WAY down then safety for the marshals and the medics should not be an issue.
During the INDY 500 the safety crew is at the scene of the crash within a few seconds on most occassions and there seem to be little to no safety issues.
stever411 1 year ago
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godanselmo 1 year ago
baumgartner? epic fail! he finished 8th and got his first and last points for himself in his career and only points for minardi is 2004 season
Dominik0366 1 year ago
ralf did that also in 2005 same track and same corener
BlackBlueMen 1 year ago
It's worth saying two things - a) Prof. Watkin's cohorts (F1 medic) had told drivers if they had a big off to stay in the car until the doctors came to them to extract them, and that b) medicar having to do a lap of this circuit is still an unacceptable excuse for the marshalls not being out there right away.
There's a very good reason British marshalls are regarded as the best in the world, especially when they get compared to situations like this.
Stitch216 1 year ago
He had the exact same crash a year later, but in a toyota.
doom1992WoW 1 year ago
This is America, they probably had to check his details in a database first, call his insurance company and check his plan covered automobile racing, then they go out to help him, as long as he can then tell them his insurance serial number and his mother's maiden name.
KingOfTheShrews 1 year ago
You'd usually expect someone to be on the scene within 30 seconds of impact. Just incredible he was left exposed for that long.
p.s - James Allen - 100x more capable than Legard.
Rascasseman 1 year ago
i'm assuming because he crashed on the start/finish it was difficult for medical team to get to him as quick as possible
NialoF2 1 year ago
He had actually fractured a vertebrae, took doc's 2 days to work that out - almost as long as the marshal's took to get to him on track.....
rubidor 1 year ago
Er kann halt kein Auto fahren. ...
lolWhutgamerZ 1 year ago
@lolWhutgamerZ
das ein Reifenschaden diesen Unfall verursacht hat weißt du wahrscheinlich noch nicht ...
f1fan04 1 year ago
No Doctors!? oh yeah, no universal healthcare in the USA :P
lioHoil 1 year ago
The medical car is located in the pitlane...so surely it can't take this long to get to the incident.....
jeandoerpinghaus 1 year ago
I never liked Ralf all that much, but watching this live was absolutely horrifying, I was so scared for him.
Khips 1 year ago
Marshalls were a massive fail that day, and that was the second Michelin-shod car in ten laps to lose it at that corner.
Michelin - fail.
griffin911 1 year ago
ralf wallmacher!!!!!
giraya5 1 year ago
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10 years ago he would have been killed
FriskaViljorFan 1 year ago
pour Ralf Schumacher =(=(=(=(
TheBullTNC 1 year ago
I think my dad saw him crash while in the grand stands
GeneralsAlert 1 year ago
ha ha ha du bist ein fan von einem versager!? oh mann ich hab ne autoramm karte von dem kriegen könn aber ich hab abgelent!
Hulkstar1991 1 year ago
@Hulkstar1991
lol, du würdest in einem F1 Wagen wahrscheinlich nicht einmal eine Runde überstehen und nennst Fahrer als Versager, die mehrere GP Siege und Podestplätze in der Königsklasse des Motorsports geholt haben ...
Dann frag ich mich, was du dann bist ...
f1fan04 1 year ago