Senate Leaders See The Health Care Bill A Little Differently

[brothermikefan]

Well, he's got me convinced. Public polls? That's all I need to know. (blah!) Oh, he said it would raise taxes for the majority of Americans. Since when was the upper 5% considered the vast majority of Americans? Those are people who make over a quarter of a million dollars a year. The other 95% have already received a TAX CUT and will not be paying for bank bailouts, auto bailouts, stimulus, or healthcare. So sorry Mitch if you make over $250k. Hey, freedom's not free, right?

[alwaysending]

what's that? can you provide anything other than your remark which shows NOTHING to prove/disprove your point, if you even have one other than just trying to bash Glen Beck, who should people watch, the guys that mention NOTHING of the lies from GVMT such as the Global Warming bullshit lie emails that NONE of the other liberal networks even mentions?

Sure, I could do that, but I'm afraid of being a mindless dumbass sheep like yourself

[alwaysending]

are you that retarded? if the GVMT is running healthcare and there's NO COMPETITION in how much to charge for the pharmaceudicals the Pharm Co's will charge the GVMT (just like EVERY single other GVMT contractor) MORE than they currently do. You think the GVMT gives 2 shits what it costs....remember, they're NOT paying for it, our TAXES are. They KEEP their fucking awesome insurance plans.

Tell me exactly who's going to run the paper trails for GVMT healthcare....the INSUIRANCE CO's, dumbass

[mrbhave]

Do you really think big pharma and big insurance gives two shits about us, either? Government employees DO PAY for their insurance. Because they can all apply on the SAME PLAN, they get HUGE volume discounts. That's the benefit that single payer WOULD HAVE DELIVERED. A simple examination of the VA health care plan is proof. It's not rocket science.

It's a government OF, BY, and FOR the people... when did that become a bad thing? When Reagan said it? Remember that HE WAS IN GOVERNMENT.

[alwaysending]

1st of all, the Gvmt health plans are also currently "bundled" in with programs like Medicare, which are fucking BROKE and ened up costing BILLIONS more than the Gvmt said that would (so lets get them to do that to ALL our healthcare? really?)

VA healthcare system is a fucking joke, ask a veteran (PS....I AM a fucking vet from Iraq) and THAT's not rocket science, take a look at Walter Reed hospital, they injected DOZENS of Vets "Accidentally" with HIV and other virus's, FACT.

[mrbhave]

Bundled with Medicare? Medicare is a single-payer system. In case you haven't figured it out, our ENTIRE GOVERNMENT is broke...much thanks to the current and previous presidents.

Yeah, and private companies NEVER go over-budget.

Plenty of my fellow vets LOVE VA health care. Calling it a joke does little for your credibility, particularly since it's the most popular health care program in the country.

Again, by pointing out a flaw in VA, you're suggesting private health care is perfect.

[alwaysending]

@mrbhave

NEVER have I suggested that private. or ANYTHING in life is perfect, how about you apologize for putting words in my mouth? I did for you, but alas, I wont hold my breath, Lord knows a chump like you could NEVER admit he's wrong, as you've proven over the course of this argument.

plenty of your fellow vets? it's the most popular program in the country? LMFAO! Now I figured out by your last statement where you live...in a fucking hole! HAHAHA you're a damn good laugh, really

[cecilbdml]

No, private companies that are over budget GO OUT OF BUSINESS. Only government entities get to force someone else to pay higher prices and are continually over budget.

And the only people I ever hear raving about the VA medical care are the ones who get psycho drugs, NOT the folks who were actually wounded. The care is NOT that great, any more than at an Army Medical Facility on post.

And private healthcare IS perfect, in that you get what you pay for. Not something available otherwise.

[mrbhave]

No, private companies that are over budget get BAILED OUT by so-call "conservative" republicans and otherwise liberal democrats.

The VA is the highest rated health insurance model in the country. Don't let your own ignorance guide your reality. Take the advice I gave the other loud-mouth and go read up on the issues.

Your last comment doesn't dignify a response. It's exposes your utter ignorance on the issue.

[ocerg1111]

utter ignorance indeed, but this time its yours. The Bush admin bottomed out the economy, touted a low jobless rate as joblessness rose sky high, thrust us into war with the country that did not attack us and left the country in a total shambles. You didnt want to bail out the corporations that totally sustain our economy? Sure, let's do it your way: we'll have nothing and have to learn to speak chinese --but then, thats what republicans want, eh?

[mrbhave]

It's mine? How so? I agree with everything you said about Bush, but still, it was Bush's idea to socialize the risk of the banksters.

I believe the financial threats were contrived. It's not that difficult to set things in motion and watch the sheep run for the doors, as they did. How did tossing $700 billion to the banks save us from certain doom? How? Buy paying off foreign banks? I'm still waiting on proof that not giving the banksters the money would have spelled doom.

[cecilbdml]

It's not ignorance. It's experience based on the fact I DIDN'T take their prescription for my symptomology, and AM STILL ALIVE BECAUSE OF IT, whereas the rest of my unit who followed the VA's regimen are DEAD. Take your own bloody advice, you pompous windbag.

And the only companies to get bailed out were ones either infested with unions, or companies the demonrats had a stake in. NON of the repubs' businesses got that. Nice try, but it IS the left who got us here, not the right.

[mrbhave]

Yeah, those big banks are infested with unions. And I see that Hank Paulson's alma mater Goldman-Sachs is ONLY looking out for democrats.

Keeping thinking seeing the world in a red/blue, left/right mentality. That'll get you far in life, dork.

[cecilbdml]

It's called right and wrong, and you might try it once in a while. Socialism wrong, Constitutionism and captialism right. Worked great until everyone wanted to collectivize stuff. Now we're fubar-ed.

Keep thinking you have the real picture. It looks better than what you normally do...looking down at your own feet and shuffling...

[sharpielol101]

why does this have to be o boring??? does dc not having any better things to do that tlk about boring stuff?

[cmanw]

Question: If the GAO, Government Accountability Office, says Government run healthcare is a terrible idea, shouldn't our government listen to them?

Question: If every other industrial country has Universal Healthcare, but our system has created the most technologically advanced, most responsive healthcare system in the world, why would we WANT Universal Healthcare?

[DillonX]

Too bad we can't get UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE like the other industrial counties, but there are too many CORPORATE WHORES like McConnell.

[BriansVideoHobby]

We will. This will run the insurance companies out of business and you will be able to go to the DMV for your health care. Sweet, right?

[SgtSoot]

@DillonX We don't care what other nations have done. The question about establishing universal healthcare in America is not a moral one, it's a question of whether or not we can afford it. I'd encourage you to take a look at the US National Debt Clock: Real Time (online). Our National Debt currently stands at over $12 trillion (equal to $110,664 per taxpayer), and is projected to rise to over $24 trillion in the next ten years. We need to stop building our economy on a house of cards.

[jlostaunau]

3/4, 9/10, that is enormous if America where the size of my bedroom.

[ILIADsOdyssey]

what we gettin...?

death panels

Increased costs, debt, financial ruin...

[okefixico]

DC needs to burn.

[1911arthur]

the 44,000 are on namesofthedead site.

[1911arthur]

The Republicans have backed the corporate whores such as Blue Cross instead of backing 44,000 fellow Americans who were sentenced to death just because they were poor.

I wonder who the good guys are?

[alwaysending]

what 44k people are you referring too? Ive never heard of this, please provide some facts behind your post.

PS. AARP is backing the healthcare bill since it will drop about 30% of current medicare consumer's coverage and those ppl will have to purchase "gap" insurance....guess who provides that gap coverage????? AARP! Guess BOTH sides are supporting the "corp whores" as you call them, jackass

[chessgame1960]

You lying scum are useless and your laws mean nothing, go screw yourself. I am not paying one red cent for you to steal and to give away to others all over the world. Lock me up and I will become a career criminal and take a thousand times what you would have gotten from me. That's a promise.

[asphyxiafeeling]

Love to see Sen. Mitchell squirm. He's practically pleading with the Democrats to delay the vote. NOPE. NOT A CHANCE :)

Republicans don't give two shits about bipartisanship when they have power. why should the Democrats? they have the votes = they have the power = sucks to be GOP.

Props to the Democrats for finally pushing this thing through. only 100 years in the making!

[alwaysending]

props that it's going to take less than that to go broke and screw us

[bundlesjr]

He's using Kentucky Math.

[TheLvilleguy]

I hate it that Kentucky is represented by this garbage.

[anon2999]

Pretty hilarious to hear the Reid use those bogus numbers.

[1911arthur]

It's a done deal!

[travkeyes]

let us not be stuipid there not even voting on the bill THERE VOTING TO DETERMINE IF THERE GOING TO DISCUSS VOTING ON ThE BILL LOL. so dont act like there even doing healthcare. maby you should all read the congress bylaws lolz

[SilentSpork]

@travkeyes

Congress: The Great Constipator.

[travkeyes]

i dont trust them at all besides ron paul and alen grason.

[alwaysending]

lolz, they're doing it while everyone is not looking and you're going along with it! lolz for your fucking stupidity!

what happened to "openess" in BOs gvmt?

[travkeyes]

hahaha can you even read? did you even read what i typed and if so did you investigate that before you commented?

[alwaysending]

ummm yeah, I can read just fine travkeyes, thanks for your concern.

what is there to investigate? that they go and vote on cloture while everyone in the US is off on the weekends so noone knows about it until the following week?

the problem with this is they shouldn't be doing this, as I said (did you READ that?)...it wasnt me that promissed a "bold new openess" in GVMT, but BO and Co. Maybe you should read the fucking Constitution and tell me where it says the GVMT should run healthcare

[SilentSpork]

The Constitution can be changed, otherwise there would be no amendments to it.

As for government run healthcare, read section eight of the Constitution, providing for the welfare of the United States can be argued to include health care. Not that the government will actually run it.

[alwaysending]

sure, that's EXACTLY what they meant. The Welfare of the US....that meaning had been preversely used by the gvmt to include anything/everything they want it to mean.

Something with that broad of a term, unless you go back and actually read what the definition and context of the word welfare REALLY meant to the founding fathers and that time period, could/can/is used for everything under the sun they want control over.

[Bux7777]

its the new economy ... buy or go to jail!

[DillonX]

Kentucky has elected 2 of the most horrible senators in Congress - Jim Bunning & Mitch McConnell

Jim Bunning will be replaced by a Democrat in 2010.

And then Corporate Whore McConnell needs to go.

[ChaoticSouls]

jon you are a fucking idiot. The recent poll is true me and other americans don't want this bill because it will increase cost. Why is it this bill takes place 2013? Obama wants to get reelected first?

[Fringe111]

Some parts of this bill will be enacted immediately such as NO pre-existing conditions. The insurance Co's. are mad as hell over that one

[alwaysending]

too bad not a SINGLE benifit is going to be enacted "immediately" until 2014 but you'll be paying TAXES on it immediately, that's the ONLY thing that's immediate

[Fringe111]

That's not true as I just said. The pre-existing law will kick in immediately plus I just found out from my friend who is helping to edit the bill (fixing spelling errors and such), so will there be a ban on not taking hight risk people. They must be covered immediately. So stop listening to the talking heads and read about it

[alwaysending]

as I said, whether or not they "allow" you into the system of GVMT healthcare without pre-existing conditions you will not get the TREATMENT benifits until 2014 so who gives a fuck if you're "in the system" if you can't use it?!?!?!?

[freakawill2000]

Easy way around that is instead of telling the customer no, tell them they have to pay some outrageous cost. The person will go without or go away.

[JonDavidson]

Sen. Mitchell: "Mr. President, as we move toward this debate, we have only ten hours to delay, derail, filibuster, lie about facts (such as no Americans wanting health reform), and do anything else possibly to protect the insurance industries' interests that have given us so much money and bribes over the years....."

[ebeatworld]

So you have a problem paying for Joe Lieberman's insurance, so therefore you think I should pay for yours? That makes absolutely no sense.

[OlGreyWolf58]

I have said it before and I will say it again...If it is good enough for them to join in on, Then it is good enough for the American Public. Since it is not, FORGET IT!!!!!

[sinterics]

Nothing for the workers... nothing... let them eat cake...

We own you america... we give you just enough and tell you we are great.

[Zaphodox]

The UK's system used to be great - 40 years ago it truly helped the country in the hard times of post war england.

However the NHS now is a monstrous beast with almost all the virtue sucked out by corrupt big pharma. Your public option is a great idea IF it follows the original NHS model - not the monster that you seem to be emulating with your bill.

[mrbhave]

The figure $2.5 trillion is the equivalent of one failed Iraq war, too, Mr. McConnell.

[alwaysending]

ummmm the Iraqi's are currently PAYING off their debt from that war jackass....and last time I checked, we WON that war, Iraq is now free from a tyrant and they have their own gvmt running them.

Meanwhile, BO's decision on Afghanistan awaits while we LOSE that war, how much $ has been spent on that since BO was in office? didnt he PROMISS to get out immediately? How's that one going?

[mrbhave]

And who's paying off OUR $2.5 trillion dollar cost of the war? Not Iraq, I can assure you. Not anymore than the oil revenue lies and BS that Rumsfeld incessantly remarked that would pay for the war.

Well, if their own government is running them, let's come the hell home.

Oh right, never mind Bush taking attention AND RESOURCES away from Afghanistan to invade Iraq. Who fucking starting BOTH WARS, JACKASS!?

[alwaysending]

"Well, if their own government is running them, let's come the hell home" ask your buddy Barak about that one dumbass, your other fucking Big Gov buddy Bush is out of office remember.

They didn't take resources away from Afghan, and if you knew ANYTHING about war you would realize it DOESNT MATTER what we do there, you CANNOT win a "conventional war" in Afghan, but didnt' BO say we'd be OUT of there by now? What happened?

[mrbhave]

Bush might be out of office, but he took us there. As far as I'm concerned, It's his fault for putting us there. And it's his fault for leaving the job unfinished before his term was up. Obama's going to get a lot of the blame, too, for leaving us in there. But cleaning up this clusterfuck that Bush started makes a difference when it comes to blame.

As if I knew anything about war? I knew enough to get stationed on a comfy submarine, rather than pounding sand in the middle of BFE.

[alwaysending]

@mrbhave

"knew enough to get stationed on a comfy submarine"

in other words, you KNEW you were too big a pussy to get on the front lines like a real man. I dont worry about a little hurt, but OBVIOUSLY the whinny bitch Im talking to does. Go cry to your mom, I mean the gvmt THEY'LL take care of the hurt you little pussy

Its Bush's fault, sure the other 500 + ppl in the federal gvmt (congress, senate, etc) did NOTHING to help him right? NO fucking libs voted for the war? think again dickhead

[mrbhave]

Yeah, because only pussies can handle being submerged for months at a time. Your stupid ass obviously didn't have the mental stamina for anything more rigorous than toting a gun. I wouldn't be too proud of that if were you. Anyone can sling a gun.

You're right. Congress is also responsible. But it was Bush's call that sent many vets to their deaths. And for what? So Haliburton's share price could go up a couple of bucks? Quit protecting draft-dodgers and AWOL fucks like Bush and Cheney.

[cecilbdml]

And we're supposed to believe you're active duty Navy when you spout off about Bush like that? Sorry...you're as much a war hero as John F'n Kerry...as in NOT.

Try doing your duty without the support of dozens of others...away from anything resembling American soil. You'd whimper and go back to that bad ol' sub and hide in a torpedo tube. Wait a minute...hmmm...

[mrbhave]

You can believe whatever the hell you like. I don't give a dam. In case you haven't heard, MOST of us veterans are AGAINST these wars.

I did my duty, and some of it included duty overseas. Did you serve, or are you another chicken-hawk like Dick Cheney who creams his shorts every time he sees George W. wearing a cowboy hat?

[alwaysending]

So let me get this straight here, I don't want to not understand what you're saying here. Basically you're saying that you're "angry" about the costs of the wars, you do REALIZE that we're going broke as a whole and NOT just b/c of a few wars right? And your answer to us going broke due to spending Trillions of dollars on shit is to what? Spend Trillions on MORE SHIT!?!?!

Damn, when you put it like that you REALLY sound rational/intelligent....dumbas­s

[mrbhave]

Go fuck yourself.

[alwaysending]

@mrbhave

wow! you really got me there! I dont know what to do!?!?! ohhh god, maybe I should go hide somewhere from the big talking scary submarine butt boy!

[mrbhave]

What you aught to do is learn that the Senate is part of Congress, and that there are 535 members of Congress, which includes the Senate and the House of Representatives.

You aught to do more reading and less spouting.

[Pvtjamesryan2]

Public option?

Given I can not get health care through my employer I am all ears.

[boots920]

How do you pay for it ?

Its not free is it ?

On a more tragic note if your country wasn't occupying sandboxes there would some tax revenue to get some kind of public option going.

Look at your domestic currency its about to become worthless paper. Then you're going to have to look at food care.

The politicians are in stand by mode while your country implodes.

[ebeatworld]

Oh I see. So you can't pay for it yourself, so you think I should be forced to pay for it.