If you start it from ahead then you need to run the risk of the prop trimming your toes, of having it run away (you can't get to the throttle easily from ahead!) and falling into the prop. From behind it is simple to get it running, the spare hand can hold the strut and the throttle is within reach. The green rope (strut to the wheel) is a simple brake (prevents the wheel turning) until you release the special knot and haul the rope in. Simple, cheap and lightweight.
I do fly and also have an A&P. thats not how its done in the states. use both hands palms "OPEN" on the front or face of the prop. and never stand behind it. your trapping yourself. in your video he is clearly wrapping his fingers around the the trailing edge of the prop. kiss your fingers behind. and some chocks wouldn't hurt either,
It's fairly obvious from looking at the prop 'starting position' ['11 O'clock' viewed from the front] that using both hands AND standing IN FRONT of the prop would be VERY dangerous in the case of a Tipsy Nipper...
You can see that only one hand is needed to swing the small engine/shortish prop.
Note: Due to the very light weight it is unlikely 'chocks' would be of any real use.
IF standing IN FRONT.. the required swing action would bring the head close to the prop...!
well this is just a clear case of the rules and regulations of different countries. the U.S. teaches the way i explained. i wasnt trying to mock just trying to point out safety. An A&P is Airframe and Powerplant license required be an U.S. mechanic
In the for the case in question this will NOT be 'country specific', rather 'Aircraft specific'..
I.e it (the approved method to swing prop) will be as stated in the Aircraft Flight Manual listing how the pilot should start the engine.
Trying to start a 'Nipper' with two hands and while in front of the prop would be VERY dangerous, standing clear behind the prop with the free hand holding the wing is clearly a LOT safer! (for a Tipsy Nipper)
Yep, I've seen it start with a couple of swings 'switches off' to draw fuel through then a swing (or two) to start.. that day it clearly just was not keen to run!
This was pre 'landing' incident.. youtube clip ' oBrjQqUp03c ' After leaving the club BBQ early afternoon to head out paragliding (G-BYLI) due to ATC being closed I was in fact the only other pilot in the local area on FRQ. and so able to relay via mobile the Mayday to the club house..! I also assisted in recovering the Nipper from the field the next day (and no it was not me that 'dropped' it during the recovery!
the aircraft design reminds me of a mid wing flybaby.
datzfast 8 months ago
If you start it from ahead then you need to run the risk of the prop trimming your toes, of having it run away (you can't get to the throttle easily from ahead!) and falling into the prop. From behind it is simple to get it running, the spare hand can hold the strut and the throttle is within reach. The green rope (strut to the wheel) is a simple brake (prevents the wheel turning) until you release the special knot and haul the rope in. Simple, cheap and lightweight.
shedworld99 2 years ago
I do fly and also have an A&P. thats not how its done in the states. use both hands palms "OPEN" on the front or face of the prop. and never stand behind it. your trapping yourself. in your video he is clearly wrapping his fingers around the the trailing edge of the prop. kiss your fingers behind. and some chocks wouldn't hurt either,
Very unsafe
red05stang 3 years ago
It's fairly obvious from looking at the prop 'starting position' ['11 O'clock' viewed from the front] that using both hands AND standing IN FRONT of the prop would be VERY dangerous in the case of a Tipsy Nipper...
You can see that only one hand is needed to swing the small engine/shortish prop.
Note: Due to the very light weight it is unlikely 'chocks' would be of any real use.
IF standing IN FRONT.. the required swing action would bring the head close to the prop...!
murrayhay 3 years ago
well this is just a clear case of the rules and regulations of different countries. the U.S. teaches the way i explained. i wasnt trying to mock just trying to point out safety. An A&P is Airframe and Powerplant license required be an U.S. mechanic
red05stang 3 years ago
Cool, however regarding 'rules & regs',
In the for the case in question this will NOT be 'country specific', rather 'Aircraft specific'..
I.e it (the approved method to swing prop) will be as stated in the Aircraft Flight Manual listing how the pilot should start the engine.
Trying to start a 'Nipper' with two hands and while in front of the prop would be VERY dangerous, standing clear behind the prop with the free hand holding the wing is clearly a LOT safer! (for a Tipsy Nipper)
murrayhay 3 years ago
I wouldn't want to do it EITHER way! Haha! I'd have to take a break for CPR and an oxygen tent... it was a lot of work to get that puppy started!
ejlister 2 years ago
Yep, I've seen it start with a couple of swings 'switches off' to draw fuel through then a swing (or two) to start.. that day it clearly just was not keen to run!
murrayhay 2 years ago
if they had a book "how not to hand prop" you'd be on every page. pure stupidity.!! surprised you have both arms.
red05stang 3 years ago
I noticed that you have no aviation cips on YouTube.. do you in fact fly????
The pilot in this clip is highly experianced PPL with IMC/Night ratings etc. for his 'day job' he is a WO in the RAF...
The procedure shown is EXACTLY the same as used by all the other 'Nipper' pilots at the club including the PPL Instructors who fly it..
If YOU think this method is wrong, perhaps you should put up a clip showing YOU hand starting a 'Nipper'
murrayhay 3 years ago
Forgot to say , well done with the rebuild. Come on up and see us in Inverness sometime!
GNIPR 4 years ago
This was pre 'landing' incident.. youtube clip ' oBrjQqUp03c ' After leaving the club BBQ early afternoon to head out paragliding (G-BYLI) due to ATC being closed I was in fact the only other pilot in the local area on FRQ. and so able to relay via mobile the Mayday to the club house..! I also assisted in recovering the Nipper from the field the next day (and no it was not me that 'dropped' it during the recovery!
murrayhay 4 years ago
No chocks!!!
Come on guys don't break another Nipper with a runaway...
GNIPR 4 years ago
I get first view! Nice aircraft - must be fun.
flyWingNut 4 years ago