I believe that it is not an artifact. One glimpse you gave showed a couple of repairs inside. Also, I don't like the patina on it. Just my thinking. . .
No oxides are needed to produce the colours present here. I"m a potter who uses the open pit fire method, and these colours will form naturaly as the wood around the piece burns are varying stages and heat.
That being said virtually everything else you mentioned is a correct appraisal.
I don't believe this to be an authentic piece, most likely one made for the tourist trade in Mexico, maybe somewhere in Texas or the Southwest.
like foscillazied wood super expencive sorry i cant spell for crap but i know alot about historical artifacts thats a fantastic find museum worthy if its real
umm ive seen some like this but im no expert i recomend taking to a local collage history proffeser to have a look but i does remind me of the ojibwe native pottery that all i know for now hope i helped
This belongs in a museum. Pure amazing and its value is incredible. Without looking at it in more detail i would estimate it at 300,000 easy. Thank you for uploading this
@DrSpauldingthe3rd ...You Nimrod..If you ran onto somebody that had this pot for sale and offered 300,000. if he didnt sell it there would only be one fool.Him..Its a nice woodland pot shell tempered and probably since it has the relief figures a good estimate would be in the 800. to 1200. range.
any artifact can be reproduced if you like it keep it dont worry about if its real or not its a great piece either way.if i had it i would not sell it take it to a person that authinacates indian points like roy mottley in blue springs missouri he is one of the best authinacatotrs in the state or call information get his number and call him a COA is just 25 dollars
but i am a collector and i know it is a true artifact if you want to sell it let me know and by the way they didnt craft dogs only wild dogs like wolves dingo dogs or foxes
ok I'm not forsure about your pot there, but i was in a ladys house where i hunted every stitch of land around her house. where she lived was a indian made creek that streched between two rivers the creek was about 6 miles long and you could find arrowheads and broken pottery just about every where you look within the 6 mile radius. inside her fouse she had tommahaws ranging fron 1lb to about 50lb's and a china cabinet FULL of pottery just like yours cups plates saucers and water pots"Burial?"
I have bought several of these over the last 25 years at flea markets and auctions,at least two of them were exactly like yours,my belief has always been they are fakes made to decieve or just decorator pcs.I have never paid over $25 or $30 but have seen several priced in the $100's.
you need to check out CATAWBA INDIANS from north carolina and south the river indinas do this very same style. the pos may have been collected and reloacted. good luck
Plain old "fake", one might say. Mass produced somewhere in Texas 1960-1975 era; marketed by a fellow named "Nuwatney". Made to mimic the Mississippiam effigy pots of 1000-1500 AD but always the wrong clay body, finish, and motifs. They all have that same or similar slick finish.
I hope this has been of some help, and if proven wrong, I would love to hear the results. A find of any kind is worth exploring and is exciting no matter how much it actually is worth. Good luck and please write me at the above address if you do find out it's true origin.
In my opinion, and only given from the video, not actually seeing the pot, I would say the pot to be no earlier than 200 years and probably designed by a young student, burnished with a small rock and liquid oxide, pit fired with oxidation. The animal is most likely the students image of a dog (because of the pointed ears and inverted eyes). But as said before, this is my opinion and from web photos. As for worth, depending on any cracks, between $50.00 - $500.00
Finally, the thickness in relation to the size of the pot is almost a giveaway as to the artist and period. The pot shows a childlike formation due to the thickness. I have yet to see any Woodland or any other indian pottery with this thickness for the small size. Indian pottery only gets thicker in relation to the height or width of the pot. A small pot such as this would be half the thickness.
Next, there is no decorational pattern on the pot, but an effigy instead. This is highly unlikely. The Woodland Indians took pride in detailed designs on their pottery. Therefore, the lack of design sways me away from the Woodland Indian.
Third, although there were pots made with effigies, I don't know of any record of double headed effigies on Woodland pottery. I do know of an effigy head being placed on the pots side, the body of the effigy became the pot and the tail or end of the effigy was on the opposite side of the pot from the head.
Next, the pot contains very shiny areas where an oxide was used and burnished into the pot. This shows on the areas of black on one side of the pot and redish on the other. Although this was used during that period with some tribes, the Woodland Indians were more prone to decorate their pottery with a design.
First, the pot looks as though it was burnished prior to firing. This shows through with the indentations throughout the pot. Older pottery, such as that from the Woodland period contained very little burnished pots. Those that were burnished were done so with a tool much flatter than the one that was used on this pot. For instance, if you take a marble and rub it against almost dried clay, you can burnish it, but it will leave a mark such as what is on your pot.
There is an artifact bible that dates and categories article by tribe. It is interesting that it lacks a pattern like you noticed The second thing you need to look at based upon it being intact is that it could be slave in origin. The fact that it is intack would still make the article if slave a find of considerable value. Clue, it was found inside of a house( not buried ). I would research the history of the property owners also African potery (beer jug) History adds considerable value!
It is an indian bong!
uni000ver000sal 7 months ago
I believe that it is not an artifact. One glimpse you gave showed a couple of repairs inside. Also, I don't like the patina on it. Just my thinking. . .
RibbitMarketing 8 months ago
@yakimonohands123
No oxides are needed to produce the colours present here. I"m a potter who uses the open pit fire method, and these colours will form naturaly as the wood around the piece burns are varying stages and heat.
That being said virtually everything else you mentioned is a correct appraisal.
I don't believe this to be an authentic piece, most likely one made for the tourist trade in Mexico, maybe somewhere in Texas or the Southwest.
pitatapiu 10 months ago
its definately not fake the handles give it away
like foscillazied wood super expencive sorry i cant spell for crap but i know alot about historical artifacts thats a fantastic find museum worthy if its real
nametide 11 months ago
its definately not fake the handles give it away
nametide 11 months ago
thank you
runingblackbear 1 year ago
it would be nice of you to take that to the cherokee rez museum in north carolina
runingblackbear 1 year ago
i am cherokee paint clan and i know what that was use for
runingblackbear 1 year ago
that is a cherokee wolf clan pot
runingblackbear 1 year ago
my family inherited 5 pots from the woodlands period, reconstructed painstakenly from shards from mound in coastal georgia - looking for a buyer
twjones114 1 year ago
umm ive seen some like this but im no expert i recomend taking to a local collage history proffeser to have a look but i does remind me of the ojibwe native pottery that all i know for now hope i helped
thedruidherbalist 1 year ago
This belongs in a museum. Pure amazing and its value is incredible. Without looking at it in more detail i would estimate it at 300,000 easy. Thank you for uploading this
DrSpauldingthe3rd 1 year ago
@DrSpauldingthe3rd ...You Nimrod..If you ran onto somebody that had this pot for sale and offered 300,000. if he didnt sell it there would only be one fool.Him..Its a nice woodland pot shell tempered and probably since it has the relief figures a good estimate would be in the 800. to 1200. range.
gtrpkr1 1 year ago
any artifact can be reproduced if you like it keep it dont worry about if its real or not its a great piece either way.if i had it i would not sell it take it to a person that authinacates indian points like roy mottley in blue springs missouri he is one of the best authinacatotrs in the state or call information get his number and call him a COA is just 25 dollars
waylan3 2 years ago
its a cherokee 20 thousand year oldpot its chipless you have about 1 million dollars if you sell that but i would hurry up they crumble
Moofti 2 years ago
It is not a fake or a reproduction.
It looks to me like it was eaither made by
navajo tribe cherokee or catawba .
but i am a collector and i know it is a true artifact if you want to sell it let me know and by the way they didnt craft dogs only wild dogs like wolves dingo dogs or foxes
funnyman19771977 2 years ago
I bought the exact pot in Mexico in the late 1960's.
justaniceguy2cuddle 2 years ago
A scrape from the inside might allow radio carbon dating. I would look into it.
Thanks for sharing.
EDBO23 2 years ago
ok I'm not forsure about your pot there, but i was in a ladys house where i hunted every stitch of land around her house. where she lived was a indian made creek that streched between two rivers the creek was about 6 miles long and you could find arrowheads and broken pottery just about every where you look within the 6 mile radius. inside her fouse she had tommahaws ranging fron 1lb to about 50lb's and a china cabinet FULL of pottery just like yours cups plates saucers and water pots"Burial?"
geinedward1 2 years ago
They may be fakes, but they look as good as any of the items I have seen in muesums. Kudos to the potter!
SevenLaughingCrows 2 years ago
repro- maybe $50
13chardage 3 years ago
I have bought several of these over the last 25 years at flea markets and auctions,at least two of them were exactly like yours,my belief has always been they are fakes made to decieve or just decorator pcs.I have never paid over $25 or $30 but have seen several priced in the $100's.
cataloocheeelk 3 years ago
you need to check out CATAWBA INDIANS from north carolina and south the river indinas do this very same style. the pos may have been collected and reloacted. good luck
garigney 3 years ago
Plain old "fake", one might say. Mass produced somewhere in Texas 1960-1975 era; marketed by a fellow named "Nuwatney". Made to mimic the Mississippiam effigy pots of 1000-1500 AD but always the wrong clay body, finish, and motifs. They all have that same or similar slick finish.
spudnut7 3 years ago
i have a pot that is so semilar to that i would realy love to show you i mean the same person might have made it but mine has a owl on the side of it
lonniedc69 4 years ago
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Mandiblearts 4 years ago
Do you have any idea of the vaalue of this piece?
tw
TomWinslow 4 years ago
I would think on the market it would fetch somewhere around $1200-$1500 maybe more....
Mandiblearts 4 years ago
amateur! shows what you dont know about artifacts!
paleo13 3 years ago
@Mandiblearts $600-$800 for this artifact is the value I would put on it. Nice fine for an antique store.
freedomorelse 1 year ago
@Mandiblearts It made me wence to lol.
huntinandawhipin 1 year ago
Post 1
I hope this has been of some help, and if proven wrong, I would love to hear the results. A find of any kind is worth exploring and is exciting no matter how much it actually is worth. Good luck and please write me at the above address if you do find out it's true origin.
Sincerely,
Ti
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 7
In my opinion, and only given from the video, not actually seeing the pot, I would say the pot to be no earlier than 200 years and probably designed by a young student, burnished with a small rock and liquid oxide, pit fired with oxidation. The animal is most likely the students image of a dog (because of the pointed ears and inverted eyes). But as said before, this is my opinion and from web photos. As for worth, depending on any cracks, between $50.00 - $500.00
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 6
Finally, the thickness in relation to the size of the pot is almost a giveaway as to the artist and period. The pot shows a childlike formation due to the thickness. I have yet to see any Woodland or any other indian pottery with this thickness for the small size. Indian pottery only gets thicker in relation to the height or width of the pot. A small pot such as this would be half the thickness.
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 5
Next, there is no decorational pattern on the pot, but an effigy instead. This is highly unlikely. The Woodland Indians took pride in detailed designs on their pottery. Therefore, the lack of design sways me away from the Woodland Indian.
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 4
Third, although there were pots made with effigies, I don't know of any record of double headed effigies on Woodland pottery. I do know of an effigy head being placed on the pots side, the body of the effigy became the pot and the tail or end of the effigy was on the opposite side of the pot from the head.
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 3
Next, the pot contains very shiny areas where an oxide was used and burnished into the pot. This shows on the areas of black on one side of the pot and redish on the other. Although this was used during that period with some tribes, the Woodland Indians were more prone to decorate their pottery with a design.
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Post 2
First, the pot looks as though it was burnished prior to firing. This shows through with the indentations throughout the pot. Older pottery, such as that from the Woodland period contained very little burnished pots. Those that were burnished were done so with a tool much flatter than the one that was used on this pot. For instance, if you take a marble and rub it against almost dried clay, you can burnish it, but it will leave a mark such as what is on your pot.
Yakimonohands123 4 years ago
Good Luck.
215jami 4 years ago
There is an artifact bible that dates and categories article by tribe. It is interesting that it lacks a pattern like you noticed The second thing you need to look at based upon it being intact is that it could be slave in origin. The fact that it is intack would still make the article if slave a find of considerable value. Clue, it was found inside of a house( not buried ). I would research the history of the property owners also African potery (beer jug) History adds considerable value!
215jami 4 years ago