Of course God in Calvinism logically rebels against Himself as He is the cause of everything that comes to pass. So in Calvinism God not man causes Satan worship, murder rape ect. Also God in Calvinism caused the fall which was rebellion against Himself.
@seekatruth With these videos, although he doesn't believe God is a "fatalist" he makes GOd a "fatalist" by his misunderstanding of scripture. He's a pastor? He probably begs people to save themselves or suffer in hell.
Quit blaming God for your sins. Yes you are a fatalist as presceience in Calvinism is what God knows God causes. So you feel it is ok to blame God for your sins.
Therefore in God giving man sin, God does not hate as a result of mans sin, since sin in Calvinism is caused by God, but God becomes hate and evil as attributes in Calvinism as He has reprobated man unconditionally. His hatred is not based on disobedience as God in Calvinism is the cause of evil and sin so logically He is hate and evil emanates from God in Calvinism because man sins by fatal necessity not free will.
The point is that you said man has a free will but as you just posted man does not. So Calvinists are logically in error as man in Calvinism is held to a fatal necessity when one goes to hell and they have done it by Gods will and not of their own. Sin in Calvinism is irresistibly caused by God and man has received evil not by merit but by Gods imputation. Therefore God in Calvinism is the author and finisher of evil. This logically makes evil an attribute of God.
You cut my comment in half and used it outside of what I meant. Anyway,
You said “He chose men He would save”. Right? But that’s not what Romans 9 teaches when you view it as a Calvinist. Romans 9 Calvinistically says God made the vessels for dishonor. (Rom 9:21) This means that God in Calvinism did not pass over those in hell but made them for hell.
So in Calvinism men don’t go to hell by free will as you said earlier, but it’s God’s will, Romans 9:16, and because God hardens them (Rom 9:16) made and fitted them for hell (Rom (:21,22). This act of God in Calvinism says that God made, hardened, and fitted men for hell. He chose them for hell logically because they could not do otherwise. This view is makes God the author and finisher of evil as men sin in Calvinism irresistibly of fatal necessity.
It is illogical as a Calvinist in Romans 9 that you believe in free will. Calvinists believe in rational spontaneity not free will. Remember, Romans 9 says they were fitted before they were born or did good or bad. This necessetarianism makes the will of man irrelevant. God has not picked, chosen or fated men for hell for their sin, or their good or bad but because He felt like it.
@seekatruth Yes in Calvinism God gave them their sin. Romans 9 says the vessels were MADE for wrath. This necessitarianism makes sin Gods will and all men are fitted or fated for destruction that will be in hell.
All humans in a common sense are children of God. Can Satan give life?
Even the wicked judges in Ps 82 were called children of God.
Ps 82:6-7 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes."
for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that,,,,
If people go to hell in Calvinism it is because God in Calvinism fitted or fated them to be there before they ever did good or bad as Calvinists view Romans 9. So in Calvinism God does not hate the sin but hates the sinner and is also the cause of thier sin. So your analogy of God hating sin is not Calvinism.
@seekatruth
Of course God in Calvinism logically rebels against Himself as He is the cause of everything that comes to pass. So in Calvinism God not man causes Satan worship, murder rape ect. Also God in Calvinism caused the fall which was rebellion against Himself.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
So who saves? God or the missionary?
nikechic619 1 year ago
@seekatruth With these videos, although he doesn't believe God is a "fatalist" he makes GOd a "fatalist" by his misunderstanding of scripture. He's a pastor? He probably begs people to save themselves or suffer in hell.
nikechic619 1 year ago
@nikechic619
Quit blaming God for your sins. Yes you are a fatalist as presceience in Calvinism is what God knows God causes. So you feel it is ok to blame God for your sins.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth This guy loves buddy Jesus.
nikechic619 1 year ago
@seekatruth
Therefore in God giving man sin, God does not hate as a result of mans sin, since sin in Calvinism is caused by God, but God becomes hate and evil as attributes in Calvinism as He has reprobated man unconditionally. His hatred is not based on disobedience as God in Calvinism is the cause of evil and sin so logically He is hate and evil emanates from God in Calvinism because man sins by fatal necessity not free will.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
The point is that you said man has a free will but as you just posted man does not. So Calvinists are logically in error as man in Calvinism is held to a fatal necessity when one goes to hell and they have done it by Gods will and not of their own. Sin in Calvinism is irresistibly caused by God and man has received evil not by merit but by Gods imputation. Therefore God in Calvinism is the author and finisher of evil. This logically makes evil an attribute of God.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
You cut my comment in half and used it outside of what I meant. Anyway,
You said “He chose men He would save”. Right? But that’s not what Romans 9 teaches when you view it as a Calvinist. Romans 9 Calvinistically says God made the vessels for dishonor. (Rom 9:21) This means that God in Calvinism did not pass over those in hell but made them for hell.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
So in Calvinism men don’t go to hell by free will as you said earlier, but it’s God’s will, Romans 9:16, and because God hardens them (Rom 9:16) made and fitted them for hell (Rom (:21,22). This act of God in Calvinism says that God made, hardened, and fitted men for hell. He chose them for hell logically because they could not do otherwise. This view is makes God the author and finisher of evil as men sin in Calvinism irresistibly of fatal necessity.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
It is illogical as a Calvinist in Romans 9 that you believe in free will. Calvinists believe in rational spontaneity not free will. Remember, Romans 9 says they were fitted before they were born or did good or bad. This necessetarianism makes the will of man irrelevant. God has not picked, chosen or fated men for hell for their sin, or their good or bad but because He felt like it.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
Therefore God in Calvinism has fated men for hell. This is fatalism and when men go to hell it is of fatal necessity not because they sin.
I appreciate your being respectful. Thanks.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth Yes in Calvinism God gave them their sin. Romans 9 says the vessels were MADE for wrath. This necessitarianism makes sin Gods will and all men are fitted or fated for destruction that will be in hell.
All humans in a common sense are children of God. Can Satan give life?
Even the wicked judges in Ps 82 were called children of God.
Ps 82:6-7 I said, "You are gods, And all of you are children of the Most High.
But you shall die like men, And fall like one of the princes."
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
Even Paul speaking to heathens in Athens said we are all Gods offspring.
Acts 17:28-29
for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that,,,,
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
@seekatruth
If people go to hell in Calvinism it is because God in Calvinism fitted or fated them to be there before they ever did good or bad as Calvinists view Romans 9. So in Calvinism God does not hate the sin but hates the sinner and is also the cause of thier sin. So your analogy of God hating sin is not Calvinism.
GBFNorwalk 1 year ago
Psalms 119:74
May those who fear you rejoice when they see me, for I have put my hope in your word.
MODERATECALVINISM 1 year ago